Is Tracy McGrady a Hall of Famer?
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dc's teflondon wrote: »Guess Joe Johnson going to get in too...he got more career points and was a 7 time all star...why be hard for T-Mac to get in
You can't be serious. T-Mac at his peak was a superstar and arguable top 6-7 player. Joe Johnson was never top 10. Doesn't matter how long he played. -
dc's teflondon wrote: »Guess Joe Johnson going to get in too...he got more career points and was a 7 time all star...why be hard for T-Mac to get in
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T-Mac body gave out on him by 30 -
dc's teflondon wrote: »Guess Joe Johnson going to get in too...he got more career points and was a 7 time all star...why be hard for T-Mac to get in
This is when the question "do u actually watch or do u just read box scores?" comes into play -
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What is the criteria for getting in the hall of fame? Obviously you have to get nominated and voted in, but what are the details?
How many people are inducted per year?
I don't follow basketball that heavy but I can remember watching him in the late 90s/early2000s and he used to ? on people.
I also remember watching a game when Ray Allen ? on T-Mac and dunked in his face. Must have been in 1999. It was back before they legalized zone defense and people used to clear out and then they'd play one-on-one (like when AI crossed over Jordan). Ray allen crossed him over and drove straight to the basket and dunked it while the other 8 guys on the floor were standing by. -
Here it is. Its not how I remembered it, this might actually be a different game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzo8RskHTRU -
Yao got in cuz he helped make bball popular in China
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PanchoYoSancho wrote: »dc's teflondon wrote: »Guess Joe Johnson going to get in too...he got more career points and was a 7 time all star...why be hard for T-Mac to get in
You can't be serious. T-Mac at his peak was a superstar and arguable top 6-7 player. Joe Johnson was never top 10. Doesn't matter how long he played.
What is this back-handed compliment ? ? T-Mac was arguably THE BEST player in the league, and a definite top 5 player in his prime. -
I think he gets in..if Chris Mullin got in, he should get in. I liked Mullin..but I didn't think he was HOF worthy. Vince Carter and Chris Webber will also get in..
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I said top 6-7, you said top 5 and you're mad? lolNothingButTheTruth wrote: »PanchoYoSancho wrote: »dc's teflondon wrote: »Guess Joe Johnson going to get in too...he got more career points and was a 7 time all star...why be hard for T-Mac to get in
You can't be serious. T-Mac at his peak was a superstar and arguable top 6-7 player. Joe Johnson was never top 10. Doesn't matter how long he played.
What is this back-handed compliment ? ? T-Mac was arguably THE BEST player in the league, and a definite top 5 player in his prime.
I'm talking about over the course of his prime which was from 2000-2006 . Duncan, Kobe and Shaq were better. Kidd, A.I. and Dirk were all as good if not better. The only season I would put him as top 5 and maybe even top 3 was 02-03 when he was leading the league in scoring and shooting a career high 45.7% Even then, his team was 42-40 (39-36 with him on the floor) and barely made the playoffs in the sorry East. -
PanchoYoSancho wrote: »
I said top 6-7, you said top 5 and you're mad? lolNothingButTheTruth wrote: »PanchoYoSancho wrote: »dc's teflondon wrote: »Guess Joe Johnson going to get in too...he got more career points and was a 7 time all star...why be hard for T-Mac to get in
You can't be serious. T-Mac at his peak was a superstar and arguable top 6-7 player. Joe Johnson was never top 10. Doesn't matter how long he played.
What is this back-handed compliment ? ? T-Mac was arguably THE BEST player in the league, and a definite top 5 player in his prime.
I'm talking about over the course of his prime which was from 2000-2006 . Duncan, Kobe and Shaq were better. Kidd, A.I. and Dirk were all as good if not better. The only season I would put him as top 5 and maybe even top 3 was 02-03 when he was leading the league in scoring and shooting a career high 45.7% Even then, his team was 42-40 (39-36 with him on the floor) and barely made the playoffs in the sorry East.
So TMac was putting up empty stats?
Damn. He got that Kevin Love type win-lose record. -
Shizlansky wrote: »PanchoYoSancho wrote: »
I said top 6-7, you said top 5 and you're mad? lolNothingButTheTruth wrote: »PanchoYoSancho wrote: »dc's teflondon wrote: »Guess Joe Johnson going to get in too...he got more career points and was a 7 time all star...why be hard for T-Mac to get in
You can't be serious. T-Mac at his peak was a superstar and arguable top 6-7 player. Joe Johnson was never top 10. Doesn't matter how long he played.
What is this back-handed compliment ? ? T-Mac was arguably THE BEST player in the league, and a definite top 5 player in his prime.
I'm talking about over the course of his prime which was from 2000-2006 . Duncan, Kobe and Shaq were better. Kidd, A.I. and Dirk were all as good if not better. The only season I would put him as top 5 and maybe even top 3 was 02-03 when he was leading the league in scoring and shooting a career high 45.7% Even then, his team was 42-40 (39-36 with him on the floor) and barely made the playoffs in the sorry East.
So TMac was putting up empty stats?
Damn. He got that Kevin Love type win-lose record.
I wouldn't go that far. He never played with a legit all-star til Yao in Houston. His 2nd and 3rd options were Mike Miller and Darrell Armstrong and his teams still had winning records until his last season when they were trash. That's when Grant Hill started having those Gumby ankles and never saw the court. -
PanchoYoSancho wrote: »Shizlansky wrote: »PanchoYoSancho wrote: »
I said top 6-7, you said top 5 and you're mad? lolNothingButTheTruth wrote: »PanchoYoSancho wrote: »dc's teflondon wrote: »Guess Joe Johnson going to get in too...he got more career points and was a 7 time all star...why be hard for T-Mac to get in
You can't be serious. T-Mac at his peak was a superstar and arguable top 6-7 player. Joe Johnson was never top 10. Doesn't matter how long he played.
What is this back-handed compliment ? ? T-Mac was arguably THE BEST player in the league, and a definite top 5 player in his prime.
I'm talking about over the course of his prime which was from 2000-2006 . Duncan, Kobe and Shaq were better. Kidd, A.I. and Dirk were all as good if not better. The only season I would put him as top 5 and maybe even top 3 was 02-03 when he was leading the league in scoring and shooting a career high 45.7% Even then, his team was 42-40 (39-36 with him on the floor) and barely made the playoffs in the sorry East.
So TMac was putting up empty stats?
Damn. He got that Kevin Love type win-lose record.
I wouldn't go that far. He never played with a legit all-star til Yao in Houston. His 2nd and 3rd options were Mike Miller and Darrell Armstrong and his teams still had winning records until his last season when they were trash. That's when Grant Hill started having those Gumby ankles and never saw the court.
But the east was ultra weak when he was on the magic.
That type of record in the west would have had you in the lottery. -
Shizlansky wrote: »PanchoYoSancho wrote: »Shizlansky wrote: »PanchoYoSancho wrote: »
I said top 6-7, you said top 5 and you're mad? lolNothingButTheTruth wrote: »PanchoYoSancho wrote: »dc's teflondon wrote: »Guess Joe Johnson going to get in too...he got more career points and was a 7 time all star...why be hard for T-Mac to get in
You can't be serious. T-Mac at his peak was a superstar and arguable top 6-7 player. Joe Johnson was never top 10. Doesn't matter how long he played.
What is this back-handed compliment ? ? T-Mac was arguably THE BEST player in the league, and a definite top 5 player in his prime.
I'm talking about over the course of his prime which was from 2000-2006 . Duncan, Kobe and Shaq were better. Kidd, A.I. and Dirk were all as good if not better. The only season I would put him as top 5 and maybe even top 3 was 02-03 when he was leading the league in scoring and shooting a career high 45.7% Even then, his team was 42-40 (39-36 with him on the floor) and barely made the playoffs in the sorry East.
So TMac was putting up empty stats?
Damn. He got that Kevin Love type win-lose record.
I wouldn't go that far. He never played with a legit all-star til Yao in Houston. His 2nd and 3rd options were Mike Miller and Darrell Armstrong and his teams still had winning records until his last season when they were trash. That's when Grant Hill started having those Gumby ankles and never saw the court.
But the east was ultra weak when he was on the magic.
That type of record in the west would have had you in the lottery.
So Armstrong, Mike miller, pat Garrity and Andrew declerq is a formidable starting lineup to you? -
BlackAX410 wrote: »Shizlansky wrote: »PanchoYoSancho wrote: »Shizlansky wrote: »PanchoYoSancho wrote: »
I said top 6-7, you said top 5 and you're mad? lolNothingButTheTruth wrote: »PanchoYoSancho wrote: »dc's teflondon wrote: »Guess Joe Johnson going to get in too...he got more career points and was a 7 time all star...why be hard for T-Mac to get in
You can't be serious. T-Mac at his peak was a superstar and arguable top 6-7 player. Joe Johnson was never top 10. Doesn't matter how long he played.
What is this back-handed compliment ? ? T-Mac was arguably THE BEST player in the league, and a definite top 5 player in his prime.
I'm talking about over the course of his prime which was from 2000-2006 . Duncan, Kobe and Shaq were better. Kidd, A.I. and Dirk were all as good if not better. The only season I would put him as top 5 and maybe even top 3 was 02-03 when he was leading the league in scoring and shooting a career high 45.7% Even then, his team was 42-40 (39-36 with him on the floor) and barely made the playoffs in the sorry East.
So TMac was putting up empty stats?
Damn. He got that Kevin Love type win-lose record.
I wouldn't go that far. He never played with a legit all-star til Yao in Houston. His 2nd and 3rd options were Mike Miller and Darrell Armstrong and his teams still had winning records until his last season when they were trash. That's when Grant Hill started having those Gumby ankles and never saw the court.
But the east was ultra weak when he was on the magic.
That type of record in the west would have had you in the lottery.
So Armstrong, Mike miller, pat Garrity and Andrew declerq is a formidable starting lineup to you?
What does that have to do with what I was saying
LBJ had terrible team and went to the finals
If you're a top 2 player win at least 1 playoff series. -
Listen I'm all for T mac not getting in the hall but where you getting these parameters from though?
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Shizlansky wrote: »BlackAX410 wrote: »Shizlansky wrote: »PanchoYoSancho wrote: »Shizlansky wrote: »PanchoYoSancho wrote: »
I said top 6-7, you said top 5 and you're mad? lolNothingButTheTruth wrote: »PanchoYoSancho wrote: »dc's teflondon wrote: »Guess Joe Johnson going to get in too...he got more career points and was a 7 time all star...why be hard for T-Mac to get in
You can't be serious. T-Mac at his peak was a superstar and arguable top 6-7 player. Joe Johnson was never top 10. Doesn't matter how long he played.
What is this back-handed compliment ? ? T-Mac was arguably THE BEST player in the league, and a definite top 5 player in his prime.
I'm talking about over the course of his prime which was from 2000-2006 . Duncan, Kobe and Shaq were better. Kidd, A.I. and Dirk were all as good if not better. The only season I would put him as top 5 and maybe even top 3 was 02-03 when he was leading the league in scoring and shooting a career high 45.7% Even then, his team was 42-40 (39-36 with him on the floor) and barely made the playoffs in the sorry East.
So TMac was putting up empty stats?
Damn. He got that Kevin Love type win-lose record.
I wouldn't go that far. He never played with a legit all-star til Yao in Houston. His 2nd and 3rd options were Mike Miller and Darrell Armstrong and his teams still had winning records until his last season when they were trash. That's when Grant Hill started having those Gumby ankles and never saw the court.
But the east was ultra weak when he was on the magic.
That type of record in the west would have had you in the lottery.
So Armstrong, Mike miller, pat Garrity and Andrew declerq is a formidable starting lineup to you?
What does that have to do with what I was saying
LBJ had terrible team and went to the finals
If you're a top 2 player win at least 1 playoff series.
contrary to popular belief, its a team game. -
Nah, ? . I can't rock with this. You don't make the Hall just for putting up better-than-average numbers for a five-year span.....
.....if you're not winning any major awards/rings, you got to do that ? for minimum 10 seasons.
Can't ride with Mac to the Hall, but something tells me now that Yao's in, he's getting in...eventually. -
lol at better than average
You got high standards for average -
Peezy_Jenkins wrote: »Shizlansky wrote: »BlackAX410 wrote: »Shizlansky wrote: »PanchoYoSancho wrote: »Shizlansky wrote: »PanchoYoSancho wrote: »
I said top 6-7, you said top 5 and you're mad? lolNothingButTheTruth wrote: »PanchoYoSancho wrote: »dc's teflondon wrote: »Guess Joe Johnson going to get in too...he got more career points and was a 7 time all star...why be hard for T-Mac to get in
You can't be serious. T-Mac at his peak was a superstar and arguable top 6-7 player. Joe Johnson was never top 10. Doesn't matter how long he played.
What is this back-handed compliment ? ? T-Mac was arguably THE BEST player in the league, and a definite top 5 player in his prime.
I'm talking about over the course of his prime which was from 2000-2006 . Duncan, Kobe and Shaq were better. Kidd, A.I. and Dirk were all as good if not better. The only season I would put him as top 5 and maybe even top 3 was 02-03 when he was leading the league in scoring and shooting a career high 45.7% Even then, his team was 42-40 (39-36 with him on the floor) and barely made the playoffs in the sorry East.
So TMac was putting up empty stats?
Damn. He got that Kevin Love type win-lose record.
I wouldn't go that far. He never played with a legit all-star til Yao in Houston. His 2nd and 3rd options were Mike Miller and Darrell Armstrong and his teams still had winning records until his last season when they were trash. That's when Grant Hill started having those Gumby ankles and never saw the court.
But the east was ultra weak when he was on the magic.
That type of record in the west would have had you in the lottery.
So Armstrong, Mike miller, pat Garrity and Andrew declerq is a formidable starting lineup to you?
What does that have to do with what I was saying
LBJ had terrible team and went to the finals
If you're a top 2 player win at least 1 playoff series.
contrary to popular belief, its a team game.
They were up 3-1 up Detroit tho. And T-Mac shot 36% the rest of the series and they lost 3 straight. Detroit had a great defense, but that's on him. He was killing em the first half of the series and fell apart afterwards. -
Peezy_Jenkins wrote: »Shizlansky wrote: »BlackAX410 wrote: »Shizlansky wrote: »PanchoYoSancho wrote: »Shizlansky wrote: »PanchoYoSancho wrote: »
I said top 6-7, you said top 5 and you're mad? lolNothingButTheTruth wrote: »PanchoYoSancho wrote: »dc's teflondon wrote: »Guess Joe Johnson going to get in too...he got more career points and was a 7 time all star...why be hard for T-Mac to get in
You can't be serious. T-Mac at his peak was a superstar and arguable top 6-7 player. Joe Johnson was never top 10. Doesn't matter how long he played.
What is this back-handed compliment ? ? T-Mac was arguably THE BEST player in the league, and a definite top 5 player in his prime.
I'm talking about over the course of his prime which was from 2000-2006 . Duncan, Kobe and Shaq were better. Kidd, A.I. and Dirk were all as good if not better. The only season I would put him as top 5 and maybe even top 3 was 02-03 when he was leading the league in scoring and shooting a career high 45.7% Even then, his team was 42-40 (39-36 with him on the floor) and barely made the playoffs in the sorry East.
So TMac was putting up empty stats?
Damn. He got that Kevin Love type win-lose record.
I wouldn't go that far. He never played with a legit all-star til Yao in Houston. His 2nd and 3rd options were Mike Miller and Darrell Armstrong and his teams still had winning records until his last season when they were trash. That's when Grant Hill started having those Gumby ankles and never saw the court.
But the east was ultra weak when he was on the magic.
That type of record in the west would have had you in the lottery.
So Armstrong, Mike miller, pat Garrity and Andrew declerq is a formidable starting lineup to you?
What does that have to do with what I was saying
LBJ had terrible team and went to the finals
If you're a top 2 player win at least 1 playoff series.
contrary to popular belief, its a team game.
This ain't football. 1 player can take over the game and win by himself. It happens a lot. -
from 01-08, t-mac avg 26.1 ppg
thats just above avg? what would be good and great then? -
Shizlansky wrote: »BlackAX410 wrote: »Shizlansky wrote: »PanchoYoSancho wrote: »Shizlansky wrote: »PanchoYoSancho wrote: »
I said top 6-7, you said top 5 and you're mad? lolNothingButTheTruth wrote: »PanchoYoSancho wrote: »dc's teflondon wrote: »Guess Joe Johnson going to get in too...he got more career points and was a 7 time all star...why be hard for T-Mac to get in
You can't be serious. T-Mac at his peak was a superstar and arguable top 6-7 player. Joe Johnson was never top 10. Doesn't matter how long he played.
What is this back-handed compliment ? ? T-Mac was arguably THE BEST player in the league, and a definite top 5 player in his prime.
I'm talking about over the course of his prime which was from 2000-2006 . Duncan, Kobe and Shaq were better. Kidd, A.I. and Dirk were all as good if not better. The only season I would put him as top 5 and maybe even top 3 was 02-03 when he was leading the league in scoring and shooting a career high 45.7% Even then, his team was 42-40 (39-36 with him on the floor) and barely made the playoffs in the sorry East.
So TMac was putting up empty stats?
Damn. He got that Kevin Love type win-lose record.
I wouldn't go that far. He never played with a legit all-star til Yao in Houston. His 2nd and 3rd options were Mike Miller and Darrell Armstrong and his teams still had winning records until his last season when they were trash. That's when Grant Hill started having those Gumby ankles and never saw the court.
But the east was ultra weak when he was on the magic.
That type of record in the west would have had you in the lottery.
So Armstrong, Mike miller, pat Garrity and Andrew declerq is a formidable starting lineup to you?
What does that have to do with what I was saying
LBJ had terrible team and went to the finals
If you're a top 2 player win at least 1 playoff series.
Context.
Lebron's Cav's were certainly trash by Finals standards but they were considerably better than that Magic squad.
Although a massive under-achiever, Larry Hughes had more talent than anyone on that Magic squad not named TMac. Big Z was serviceable in the paint with very good size. Drew Gooden was a high lottery pick - and he was amidst his more productive years in the league. Verajo brought energy and activity every night and complemented Lebron rather well at that point in his career. And Eric Snow had some pretty clutch performances - he was a notch better than Darrell Armstrong.
Thier bench is not even with mentioning, but they played hard and we all know about that team's defense.
All that being said, we know TMac is no Lebron James either. That probably had something to do with it, too.
That ain't the bar though - the bar is the HOF.
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Shizlansky wrote: »BlackAX410 wrote: »Shizlansky wrote: »PanchoYoSancho wrote: »Shizlansky wrote: »PanchoYoSancho wrote: »
I said top 6-7, you said top 5 and you're mad? lolNothingButTheTruth wrote: »PanchoYoSancho wrote: »dc's teflondon wrote: »Guess Joe Johnson going to get in too...he got more career points and was a 7 time all star...why be hard for T-Mac to get in
You can't be serious. T-Mac at his peak was a superstar and arguable top 6-7 player. Joe Johnson was never top 10. Doesn't matter how long he played.
What is this back-handed compliment ? ? T-Mac was arguably THE BEST player in the league, and a definite top 5 player in his prime.
I'm talking about over the course of his prime which was from 2000-2006 . Duncan, Kobe and Shaq were better. Kidd, A.I. and Dirk were all as good if not better. The only season I would put him as top 5 and maybe even top 3 was 02-03 when he was leading the league in scoring and shooting a career high 45.7% Even then, his team was 42-40 (39-36 with him on the floor) and barely made the playoffs in the sorry East.
So TMac was putting up empty stats?
Damn. He got that Kevin Love type win-lose record.
I wouldn't go that far. He never played with a legit all-star til Yao in Houston. His 2nd and 3rd options were Mike Miller and Darrell Armstrong and his teams still had winning records until his last season when they were trash. That's when Grant Hill started having those Gumby ankles and never saw the court.
But the east was ultra weak when he was on the magic.
That type of record in the west would have had you in the lottery.
So Armstrong, Mike miller, pat Garrity and Andrew declerq is a formidable starting lineup to you?
What does that have to do with what I was saying
LBJ had terrible team and went to the finals
If you're a top 2 player win at least 1 playoff series.
I was agreeing that Tmac had horrendous teams in Orlando, when they did the comparison on the jump with Tmac's Orlando team from 02 and Melo's team from this past year it was astonishing how ? poor those magic teams were -
T-mac shouldn't get in, dude was just a scorer. No defense, didn't seem to make his teammates better, dude was str8 lazy w/o the ball. Never got out the 1st round..unless u count that chip w the spurs
