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EyeofAsaru wrote: »Preach2Teach wrote: »I am asking myself is this ? really worth it, Gonna go and smoke the biggest spliff ever in a hope I will pass out before I do something stupid, bring on day 3!
When you make it past day 90 you go in ? ModePreach2Teach wrote: »I am asking myself is this ? really worth it, Gonna go and smoke the biggest spliff ever in a hope I will pass out before I do something stupid, bring on day 3!
When you make it past day 90 you go in ? Mode
This....
Learn to master retrograde internal ? so even if you do beat off you won't throw away all your chi and it will be reaborbed in the body..go read mantak chias book "the art of dual cultivation" to learn more
The key is not to let the skeet come out..lol and do things to recirculate it to the brain via the spinal cord and various ducts in the body(exercise,meditation,deep breathing )..If you don't circulate it constantly it will overheat(aka blue ball syndrome) and cause you to be a cranky or crazy ? ? ..Like one of these posts said you'll prolly end up ? a one eyed chick or a crackhead bruh..sexual energy is not just going to disappear..You have to transmute the energy into something creative or otherwise..saving chi beyond 30 days is stupid if you're not transmuting it properly..You were wired to produce tons of ? to go inject women with,not bust on computer screens in porn land..set goals for your life
Sperm turns into hot chi once aroused..it becomes difficult to handle once active...and keeping the chi in your lower body will cause your nuts to overheat and will have you scrambling frantically to bust that nut...
Avoid spicy foods and eat more cooling foods like fresh fruits to keep arousal down while you abstain long to rewire your brain to quit chronic ? ..
Porn is a serious drug..Its best you cut it out your life as much as you can..eye know it's hard being that we live in a porngraphic society but you gotta try ,b before that ? turns you into a vegetable..once your dopamine reserves are fried you will be a ? zombie
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I went a year before (no sex as well)....after the 1st month it's a breeze
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I went a year before (no sex as well)....after the 1st month it's a breeze
I went 7 months no sex when I was in Korea. If I didn't ? off during that time I would of went Jack Nicholson off the Shining and killed everybody. -
EyeofAsaru wrote: »EyeofAsaru wrote: »Preach2Teach wrote: »I am asking myself is this ? really worth it, Gonna go and smoke the biggest spliff ever in a hope I will pass out before I do something stupid, bring on day 3!
When you make it past day 90 you go in ? ModePreach2Teach wrote: »I am asking myself is this ? really worth it, Gonna go and smoke the biggest spliff ever in a hope I will pass out before I do something stupid, bring on day 3!
When you make it past day 90 you go in ? Mode
This....
Learn to master retrograde internal ? so even if you do beat off you won't throw away all your chi and it will be reaborbed in the body..go read mantak chias book "the art of dual cultivation" to learn more
The key is not to let the skeet come out..lol and do things to recirculate it to the brain via the spinal cord and various ducts in the body(exercise,meditation,deep breathing )..If you don't circulate it constantly it will overheat(aka blue ball syndrome) and cause you to be a cranky or crazy ? ? ..Like one of these posts said you'll prolly end up ? a one eyed chick or a crackhead bruh..sexual energy is not just going to disappear..You have to transmute the energy into something creative or otherwise..saving chi beyond 30 days is stupid if you're not transmuting it properly..You were wired to produce tons of ? to go inject women with,not bust on computer screens in porn land..set goals for your life
Sperm turns into hot chi once aroused..it becomes difficult to handle once active...and keeping the chi in your lower body will cause your nuts to overheat and will have you scrambling frantically to bust that nut...
Avoid spicy foods and eat more cooling foods like fresh fruits to keep arousal down while you abstain long to rewire your brain to quit chronic ? ..
Porn is a serious drug..Its best you cut it out your life as much as you can..eye know it's hard being that we live in a porngraphic society but you gotta try ,b before that ? turns you into a vegetable..once your dopamine reserves are fried you will be a ? zombie
Nah bruh... just nah. As a student of multiple taoist lineages this is mostly incorrect dude, and low key dangerous. Retrograde ? is not used for alchemical transmutation at all. It is in fact very bad for the prostate.
mantak chia is literally one of the worst sources for anything related to taoism other than basic terminology and the most basic practices. Especially this. There used to be TCM treatment centers here in LA that were filled with damaged practitioners of his books. The man takes knowledge from books thay were never translated to English and just mashes it all together to sound good and passes it off to the west as his own.
Let me break down true transmutation.
The conversion of the sexual energy (JING not chi!) Is the SOURCE energy for ? , not the ? itsself. ? is considered turbid jing that has already depleted the source energy from the kidneys, and is therefore useless for anyone other than an alchemically prepared woman.
It is true that retention is mostly useless for the layman past 30 days.
Heat is the byproduct of the energetic condensation of chi in the lower dantien. From there thru certain techniques it then interacts with the sexual energy (not ? , jing!) To begin the alchemical conversion of jing, to chi, to shen. This is vastly simplified. But is not book knowledge, I've learned, experienced this first hand and practiced with real taoists from the white cloud monastery.
There are no absolutes in life except death(and even that's not a total absolute) bruh..everything has a interpretation out here.Even amongst Asians,there's always gonna be sects saying "nope your way is wrong and you should do it my way".Retrograde ? is not dangerous if paired with exercise and correct technique..eye been doing it for years with no prostrate issues..You have to go with what works for you
To be honest...Eye just gave the T/s the very simplified basics(yes that's what matak Chia is) to get him started on the path instead of giving him a bunch of complex oriental terminology he obviously has no clue about...Yes I'm familiar with the terms jing but what's the ? point of giving the T/s that info? Lol Eye teach in levels..Let a ? cook,b..Nearly every ? on this board is driven by ego ready to beat ? over the head with complex information .Really Them orientals took this knowledge from us(black ppl) and gave it their own labels...but that's another story
Thanks for your input tho..Hopefully You added to the spark of someone's young mind
At first I was going to just "lol" this and keep it moving. But in the health interests of anyone who may be reading this I'd like to refute this guy's claims that suppressing ? is not damaging.
Logic should tell someone that suppressing the urethra during the full blown pressure of orgasm could potentially damage it and the prostate. let me provide proof from a website that let's one ask questions of certified medical professionals.
let's see what the verdict of the question of this exact same practice mantak chia espouses by someone who is a bit less naive than asaru thought to ask to an actual medical professional.
Dr. Moez khorsandi Doctor of urology from the Good samaritan hospital here in LA, a 22 year medical professional that has helped millions of people, says:
"Suppressing the expression of the ? to prevent spern leakage may lead to other issues such as prostate dysfunction.
By obstructing the ejaculatory ducts during ? , it may provoke prostate issues such as pain, discomfort, and ejaculatory dysfunction. If this maneuver is for birth control, it is very unlikely to help since a small amount of ? is still likely to be expressed. "
Source: https://www.healthtap.com/user_questions/74319
This literally is one of the first results when I go ogled the name of the actual technique, notice how it corroborates with what I said before exactlty. There is a good reason for this. Real people have suffered real consequences of this man's teachings.
Do not take advice from armchair esoterists that does nothing but cites books. If you are interested in this school of thought seek out an actual practicioner in real life. A real teacher can coach you thru the processes of real actual practices, can corrext your errors and answer questions. not ones taken from ebooks on the internet.
I challenge @EyeofAsaru to cite even one taoist sect that advocates for this ? practice other than the umbrella companies of Chia. I guarantee he won't be able to, but I'll let him try. -
EyeofAsaru wrote: »EyeofAsaru wrote: »Preach2Teach wrote: »I am asking myself is this ? really worth it, Gonna go and smoke the biggest spliff ever in a hope I will pass out before I do something stupid, bring on day 3!
When you make it past day 90 you go in ? ModePreach2Teach wrote: »I am asking myself is this ? really worth it, Gonna go and smoke the biggest spliff ever in a hope I will pass out before I do something stupid, bring on day 3!
When you make it past day 90 you go in ? Mode
This....
Learn to master retrograde internal ? so even if you do beat off you won't throw away all your chi and it will be reaborbed in the body..go read mantak chias book "the art of dual cultivation" to learn more
The key is not to let the skeet come out..lol and do things to recirculate it to the brain via the spinal cord and various ducts in the body(exercise,meditation,deep breathing )..If you don't circulate it constantly it will overheat(aka blue ball syndrome) and cause you to be a cranky or crazy ? ? ..Like one of these posts said you'll prolly end up ? a one eyed chick or a crackhead bruh..sexual energy is not just going to disappear..You have to transmute the energy into something creative or otherwise..saving chi beyond 30 days is stupid if you're not transmuting it properly..You were wired to produce tons of ? to go inject women with,not bust on computer screens in porn land..set goals for your life
Sperm turns into hot chi once aroused..it becomes difficult to handle once active...and keeping the chi in your lower body will cause your nuts to overheat and will have you scrambling frantically to bust that nut...
Avoid spicy foods and eat more cooling foods like fresh fruits to keep arousal down while you abstain long to rewire your brain to quit chronic ? ..
Porn is a serious drug..Its best you cut it out your life as much as you can..eye know it's hard being that we live in a porngraphic society but you gotta try ,b before that ? turns you into a vegetable..once your dopamine reserves are fried you will be a ? zombie
Nah bruh... just nah. As a student of multiple taoist lineages this is mostly incorrect dude, and low key dangerous. Retrograde ? is not used for alchemical transmutation at all. It is in fact very bad for the prostate.
mantak chia is literally one of the worst sources for anything related to taoism other than basic terminology and the most basic practices. Especially this. There used to be TCM treatment centers here in LA that were filled with damaged practitioners of his books. The man takes knowledge from books thay were never translated to English and just mashes it all together to sound good and passes it off to the west as his own.
Let me break down true transmutation.
The conversion of the sexual energy (JING not chi!) Is the SOURCE energy for ? , not the ? itsself. ? is considered turbid jing that has already depleted the source energy from the kidneys, and is therefore useless for anyone other than an alchemically prepared woman.
It is true that retention is mostly useless for the layman past 30 days.
Heat is the byproduct of the energetic condensation of chi in the lower dantien. From there thru certain techniques it then interacts with the sexual energy (not ? , jing!) To begin the alchemical conversion of jing, to chi, to shen. This is vastly simplified. But is not book knowledge, I've learned, experienced this first hand and practiced with real taoists from the white cloud monastery.
There are no absolutes in life except death(and even that's not a total absolute) bruh..everything has a interpretation out here.Even amongst Asians,there's always gonna be sects saying "nope your way is wrong and you should do it my way".Retrograde ? is not dangerous if paired with exercise and correct technique..eye been doing it for years with no prostrate issues..You have to go with what works for you
To be honest...Eye just gave the T/s the very simplified basics(yes that's what matak Chia is) to get him started on the path instead of giving him a bunch of complex oriental terminology he obviously has no clue about...Yes I'm familiar with the terms jing but what's the ? point of giving the T/s that info? Lol Eye teach in levels..Let a ? cook,b..Nearly every ? on this board is driven by ego ready to beat ? over the head with complex information .Really Them orientals took this knowledge from us(black ppl) and gave it their own labels...but that's another story
Thanks for your input tho..Hopefully You added to the spark of someone's young mind
At first I was going to just "lol" this and keep it moving. But in the health interests of anyone who may be reading this I'd like to refute this guy's claims that suppressing ? is not damaging.
Logic should tell someone that suppressing the urethra during the full blown pressure of orgasm could potentially damage it and the prostate. let me provide proof from a website that let's one ask questions of certified medical professionals.
let's see what the verdict of the question of this exact same practice mantak chia espouses by someone who is a bit less naive than asaru to an actually medical professional.
Dr. Moez khorsandi Doctor of urology from the Good samaritan hospital here in LA, a 22 year medical professional that has helped millions of people, says:
"Suppressing the expression of the ? to prevent spern leakage may lead to other issues such as prostate dysfunction.
By obstructing the ejaculatory ducts during ? , it may provoke prostate issues such as pain, discomfort, and ejaculatory dysfunction. If this maneuver is for birth control, it is very unlikely to help since a small amount of ? is still likely to be expressed. "
Source: https://www.healthtap.com/user_questions/74319
This literally is one of the first results when I go ogled the name of the actual technique, notice how it corroborates with what I said before exactlty. There is a good reason for this. Real people have suffered real consequences of this man's teachings.
I challenge @EyeofAsaru to cite even one taoist sect that advocates for this ? practice other than the umbrella companies of Chia. I guarantee he won't be able to, but I'll let him try.
Lol@armchair esoterists..? you don't know me or what eye have experienced in life..for you to say eye do nothing but cite books is a gross misjudgement of my character because you never met me..
Yes the technique is a controversial one...I've read the same thing about it damaging the prostate yet I've been practicing this technique moderately for years with no issue..Some say it's safe and some say it isn't ...You're welcomed to refute anything you like...Some doctors say drinking alcohol is good for you yet millions of people get damaged by alcohol each year..Doesn't mean you have to disrespect my name
Eye don't give a ? about no sects dude lol..Especially not no enter the 36 chamber wu tang white monkey lotus ? you represent ...I'm not interested in no ? ass temple monks humming all day saying women are out to steal the sacred dragonballz chi from their ? ..gtfoh
But to anyone reading this...You're welcomed to take what eye and mr fuckboi kung fu monkey lotus says and form your own opinion and perception on these topics
Eye don't want nobody to follow me..yes go attend the classes of one of these kung fu masters..Eye don't know ? ...
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Moral of the story. Don't take advice from someone that spews 1st grade insults rather than actual info.
you mad? -
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I'll add to this because I've stopped ? as well because I realized this stuff just isn't me and there's no benefit from it. My advice is as follows (it's a long post FYI):
1. Pray about it. We're all humans, it's easy to succumb to our desires even if they hurt us in the long run.
2. Make a commitment to absolutely cut Porn & ? (P&M) out of your life. You have to look at them like
drugs. No ? addict that's trying to recover will say "let me smoke ? only once a week or so". Especially at your frequency of fapping. It's not just cutting it out, but also changing your habit and lifestyle.
3. Find out when you fap the most. For me, it was when I woke up, when I was bored when I took my laptop to the bathroom, and when I was about to go to sleep. I was averaging about 3 times a day.
4. The first couple weeks will be hard, but you have to make a conscious effort. You'll be tempted to look at porn or suggestive images. You can't succumb to it. For me, I try not to use my laptop in my room with the door shut. If the door is shut then my window is open. At night, if I stay up doing work, then I'll do it in the living room and only come to my room to sleep.
5. Again, you have to change your habits. I'd been ? since 12 or 13. I'm just getting off it at 21. You have to understand that our bodies, after being so used to a routine of getting pleasure from fapping, will try hard to remain on "autopilot" and will not want to break the fapping habit. Example: When I was in middle school my sisters were still in elementary school. I would get back home from school before them and used my 45 min window to fap. Did this over the year and the habit was almost second nature. Now imagine have a routine for it for over 9 years. Gets hard to break.
6. Replace old habits with new ones. Once you feel yourself with that 'itch' to stroke or look at porn, just close the laptop and do some push-ups. Or better yet, take a 5 min walk. Some people say get a girlfriend or have a wife, but it's not gonna work. When you become so used to getting yourself off when YOU decide, even if you have a spouse they will simply not be able to keep up. There are married men coming forth saying even with their wives, they still sneak off to rub one off.
7. Get active or get a hobby. Read, run or write. When you start realizing how much time is wasted with P&M, you really will understand how much ? it is. You have men 30yrs+ chained by P&M and they don't know it. They schedule their lives around finding a time to fap and will vehemently defend how beneficial it is. Say you spend 20mins each session (finding the "right scene", getting enticed and doing the deed), now say you fap 3 times a day (wake up, back from work, before you sleep). That's 1 hr a day that could have been put to something else, learning a language, reading, watching a show, WORKING OUT, volunteering, community/church service, whatever.
8. Last thing, you really just have to go one day at a time. Like all addictions, urges will flare up from time to time. There's a challenge of going 90 days without it, but honestly, I'm looking at the rest of my life without it. It may seem impossible, but you have to keep the faith and just keep plowing ahead.
Feel free to message me if you need some other strategies. People are now just waking up to this disease. The scientific community will say it's not that bad but understand that it takes years, decades even to notice trends to the average human. I mean some years ago we used to paint our houses with lead and said there was no link between cigs and lung cancer. High-speed porn just became available about 10yrs ago, it will take some time before we really seeing the ramifications of it. These younger middle and high school kids may not know what hits em.
You took the great first step man. Acknowledging the problem is the first part of recovery. -
Moral of the story. Don't take advice from someone that spews 1st grade insults rather than actual info.
you mad?
Nah actually I'm not lol because guess what? Chi cultivation or no chi cultivation, retro grade ? or no retro You gonna die one day ? ..Being a student of the exoteric and esoteric mystery temples is not going to make you physically immortal..It may slow death from running towards you to walking towards you But ultimately death is still coming for you
So you can sit there and hum all day...Eye used to be you until eye realized that zealots share the same grave with the ? and junkies...
Nothing to be mad about..You dissed me so eye dissed u back,simple as that -
EyeofAsaru wrote: »Eye don't give a ? about no sects dude lol..Especially not no enter the 36 chamber wu tang white monkey lotus ? you represent ...I'm not interested in no ? ass temple monks humming all day saying women are out to steal the sacred dragonballz chi from their ? ..gtfoh
Lol this is one of the reasons I am interested in stopping, Mike Tyson went years without busting his gun and look what he was doing, the man was an animal.
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And actually homie..some doctors claim that using your pc muscle to abruptly stop your ? flow midstream strengthens the prostate and errection
http://www.everydayhealth.com/news/sexy-men-kegels/
Same principle at work here..just because doctors say it doesn't make it law for every man bruh -
Preach2Teach wrote: »EyeofAsaru wrote: »Eye don't give a ? about no sects dude lol..Especially not no enter the 36 chamber wu tang white monkey lotus ? you represent ...I'm not interested in no ? ass temple monks humming all day saying women are out to steal the sacred dragonballz chi from their ? ..gtfoh
Lol this is one of the reasons I am interested in stopping, Mike Tyson went years without busting his gun and look what he was doing, the man was an animal.
Word ...it's true...sexual energy holds immense power..You can do it bruh
You saw what happened to Tyson once he started ? all those women and doing drugs right? He lost his strength -
Benefits of not fapping:
For someone who had been doing it for such a long time and has now started cutting it off, these are the benefits I've noticed:
1. Energetic & Focused. I feel so much more alert when I wake up in the morning. I can get 5 hours and be up and productive. When I'd fap before bed I would wake up feeling absolutely sluggish. Now I wake up at 6 and tackle the day
2. Confident. Goes hand in hand with having more energy, but also not having that 'post ? guilt" following you throughout the day anymore.
3. More social. Again increased energy, confidence and just general 'swagger' has enabled me to be more social. Idk what it is but I've noticed a lot of changes, especially with women.
4. Productive. Those 1-2 hours I spent P&M has been converted into better ventures. I write now, I read more, workout and study French as well. As we get older, we have to realize time isn't to waste.
5. Confident. Can't really stress this enough man.
Again my man, keep praying on it and working on it. Keep faith and know there will be light at the end of the tunnel. One day at a time. -
My goal right now has changed, my new goal is to cut down with it, too much of anything is never a good thing, it would be good to try going a week but this ? really is addictive and very enjoyable, but I do wonder if life would change if I didn't do it.
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Man chanel staxxx messed up my mission last night smh
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One cites books from known charlatans. the other cites real life experiences learning from living disciples of unbroken lineages... that have existed since before christ walked the earth.
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EyeofAsaru wrote: »And actually homie..some doctors claim that using your pc muscle to abruptly stop your ? flow midstream strengthens the prostate and errection
http://www.everydayhealth.com/news/sexy-men-kegels/
Same principle at work here..just because doctors say it doesn't make it law for every man bruh
Word. Exercising the PC muscle in your spare time is equivalent to using your finger to compress the "million dollar point" as he calls it, at the moment of orgasm.
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Preach2Teach wrote: »My goal right now has changed, my new goal is to cut down with it, too much of anything is never a good thing, it would be good to try going a week but this ? really is addictive and very enjoyable, but I do wonder if life would change if I didn't do it.
This is where some people will differ in opinon. Some will say once a week should be fine, but I think that's hustling backwards. You said it yourself, it's addicting. There's no need to play with fire when you know it could lead to getting burned. Again, why would a recovering ? addict say "Ima hit the pipe only once a week".
Thats a damn lie. You do once a week then you're going once you get stressed, then when you get anxious, before you know it, you're back to square one. You can't half ass this no more ? thing. All or nothing.
Treat it like what it is "a drug addiction". When you're stressed or want to escape, you ? . Same thing as an alcoholic, when they're stressed they drink, or a weedhead.
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? alone is fine.. the use of porn however is what make it unhealthy. Men body regularly generate fresh ? for these women and sometimes it get backed up so it has to go somewhere to keep the new batches coming in. But it ain't alway necessary to crank one off either because if it get too backed up the ? will have what's known as a nocturnal emission. So yea ? masterbaiting for entertainment I recommend stop it. Apparently I'm a doctor
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? alone is fine.. the use of porn however is what make it unhealthy. Men body regularly generate fresh ? for these women and sometimes it get backed up so it has to go somewhere to keep the new batches coming in. But it ain't alway necessary to crank one off either because if it get too backed up the ? will have what's known as a nocturnal emission. So yea ? masterbaiting for entertainment I recommend stop it. Apparently I'm a doctor
I see where you're coming from, but from OPs post the two just go hand in hand for him. I think his best bet is just to cut it off completely.
Right now, it seems he would gain more if he just kicked the habit. -
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Learn a hobbie? How much time you ? spendin' on xvids? I'm 5 mins in and out
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Gonna give it another try, today is day one and this time I will not give up so easy!
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Preach2Teach wrote: »I ? up, but I will still take the positives from the 3 days I managed to last for, the war is not over
wait I just realized you failed to make it more than 3 days? I just did the math and I'm on day 7 (it was sex last week not fapping tho) and I wasn't trying. Lmao maybe some of yall do have a problem
