10 Reasons Why Michael Jordan is Not the Greatest
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This is blasphemy. Jordan is the best, most fundamentally sound basketball player i've ever seen. The true greatness of his game gets buried under the flash, but that ? was cold blooded.
Ya'll gotta stop playin with dude's name. -
Makes some valid points, especially about the level of play then. I've had this argument several times and my contention is that the mid 90's was far more watered down.
The NBA now is better than it was 20 years ago. The only reason why people love mid 90's basketball is because of MJ, take him out the equation and it was almost unwatchable. The two most overrated eras of play are the 60's and the mid 90's.
But Jordan is still the greatest, you could do a list like this for anyone that you think is the GOAT and probably have more reasons for each of them. -
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thegreatunknown wrote: »Makes some valid points, especially about the level of play then. I've had this argument several times and my contention is that the mid 90's was far more watered down.
The NBA now is better than it was 20 years ago. The only reason why people love mid 90's basketball is because of MJ, take him out the equation and it was almost unwatchable. The two most overrated eras of play are the 60's and the mid 90's.
But Jordan is still the greatest, you could do a list like this for anyone that you think is the GOAT and probably have more reasons for each of them.
Yea, that makes sense. The Eastern Conference today is much better than the Eastern Conference in the 90s. Yea. You're dead on buddy. -
BOSSExcellence wrote: »lol author has some valid points.
He does, it's not some emotional article.
If Jordan was the goat then the bulls should have fallen apart when he left
It's A Good Thing Pip And Co.Won Back To Back Titles From The Rockets With MJ Playing With The White Sox Minors -
Diet Jordan(Kobe) was not as athletic, or as efficient as Jordan on offense, and he was givin it to the league. Can you imagine this ? jordan playin in a league where the center was all but dead and there aren't really many big men with traditional big man values patrolling the lane. Couple that with Jordan's slashing ability and his play below the free throw line, he'd have a ? field day.
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If that is the case then Lebron is not a top 10 player and Curry is not top 50
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Shizlansky wrote: »? still think the NBA was better in the 90s
It was. The fact that there we're some really bad teams back then doesn't mean the league is better now. Back then there was a big separation between the good teams and the bad ones and there we're a fair number of both. Now there are like 5 legit good teams and everyone else is equally mediocre. You're not going to see a bunch of terrible records in that case, but that doesn't mean good basketball is being played.
The expansion complaint is also a bad criticism against MJ. He was just as dominant against the legitimately good teams as he was against the bad teams. In fact, most of the noted things are true to some point, but don't really support the premise. For instance, the Bulls being good without MJ doesn't change the fact that MJ was killing teams while he played. -
get this ? outta here
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Blasphemy
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? always trying to ice skate uphill SMH
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Man they coming out the woodworks to make Lebron better than MJ.
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I remember when Jordan came into the league in the 80s. He was a spectacular player but I can't say I really, really followed him like that until the 1997-98 season. The Bulls were coming fresh off of a championship (actually they had just won two in a row). Me and my roommates didn't have cable but they used to play NBA basketball on regular TV. Every Sunday throughout the entire season they played a Bulls game on regular TV.
We used to watch basketball every Sunday. It was our regular routine and it was always The Bulls vs somebody else.
I can honestly say that Michael Jordan was unstoppable that year. He had perfected his fade away jumper and there was absolutely no way to stop it. It was as unstoppable as Kareem's sky hook. Kobe Bryant and LeBron James don't/didn't have signature moves like that. Basically you could pass the ball to MJ and he'd take a couple of dribbles and fade away with his jump shot and it would be all net. He was unstoppable.
The Bulls went on to win the championship that year and then he retired again. I remember the following year The Lakers had Shaq, Kobe, Eddie Jones and Nick Van Excel. All four of them made the all star team but they weren't any good as a team until they got Phil Jackson as a coach.
Basically MJ was the best player I've ever watched.
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I just think people need to define the criteria of what makes someone the GOAT, because they seem to make exceptions for MJ. smh
1. If it's titles then it's Russell or some of them old Celtic ?
2. If it's pure stats or dominance then it's Kareem or Wilt
3. If it's individual skillset then it's probably someone like Magic, Lebron, Oscar
4. Is it all time great moments?
What is the criteria because Jordan ain't dominant in none of them. Plus if were being honest Kareem is the most accomplished player ever. -
Doesn't the bulls not falling apart say more about Phil Jackson's coaching skills?
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I just think people need to define the criteria of what makes someone the GOAT, because they seem to make exceptions for MJ. smh
1. If it's titles then it's Russell or some of them old Celtic ?
2. If it's pure stats or dominance then it's Kareem or Wilt
3. If it's individual skillset then it's probably someone like Magic, Lebron, Oscar
4. Is it all time great moments?
What is the criteria because Jordan ain't dominant in none of them. Plus if were being honest Kareem is the most accomplished player ever.
? how tf does lbj magic and Oscar has a better skill set? -
I just think people need to define the criteria of what makes someone the GOAT, because they seem to make exceptions for MJ. smh
1. If it's titles then it's Russell or some of them old Celtic ?
2. If it's pure stats or dominance then it's Kareem or Wilt
3. If it's individual skillset then it's probably someone like Magic, Lebron, Oscar
4. Is it all time great moments?
What is the criteria because Jordan ain't dominant in none of them. Plus if were being honest Kareem is the most accomplished player ever.
Taylor Swift is one of the best Selling recording artists of ALL TIME and has a closet full of Grammys...
What does that tell you.
The answer is simple ... It's the Eye Test ... Backed up with accomplishments.
That really ends the discussion for me.
MJ is the GOAT, Period. -
En-Fuego22 wrote: »I just think people need to define the criteria of what makes someone the GOAT, because they seem to make exceptions for MJ. smh
1. If it's titles then it's Russell or some of them old Celtic ?
2. If it's pure stats or dominance then it's Kareem or Wilt
3. If it's individual skillset then it's probably someone like Magic, Lebron, Oscar
4. Is it all time great moments?
What is the criteria because Jordan ain't dominant in none of them. Plus if were being honest Kareem is the most accomplished player ever.
? how tf does lbj magic and Oscar has a better skill set?
Point's, rebounds, assists.
Jordan getting rebounds and assists like that? -
I just think people need to define the criteria of what makes someone the GOAT, because they seem to make exceptions for MJ. smh
1. If it's titles then it's Russell or some of them old Celtic ?
2. If it's pure stats or dominance then it's Kareem or Wilt
3. If it's individual skillset then it's probably someone like Magic, Lebron, Oscar
4. Is it all time great moments?
What is the criteria because Jordan ain't dominant in none of them. Plus if were being honest Kareem is the most accomplished player ever.
Taylor Swift is one of the best Selling recording artists of ALL TIME and has a closet full of Grammys...
What does that tell you.
The answer is simple ... It's the Eye Test ... Backed up with accomplishments.
That really ends the discussion for me.
MJ is the GOAT, Period.
How is the eye test when none of you ? lived through the Russell, Wilt, Kareem, Big O,etc play.
Russell and Kareem have similar accomplishments to Jordan
Kareem has 6 regular season mvps and 5 rings
Russell has 5 mvps and 11 titles
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En-Fuego22 wrote: »I just think people need to define the criteria of what makes someone the GOAT, because they seem to make exceptions for MJ. smh
1. If it's titles then it's Russell or some of them old Celtic ?
2. If it's pure stats or dominance then it's Kareem or Wilt
3. If it's individual skillset then it's probably someone like Magic, Lebron, Oscar
4. Is it all time great moments?
What is the criteria because Jordan ain't dominant in none of them. Plus if were being honest Kareem is the most accomplished player ever.
? how tf does lbj magic and Oscar has a better skill set?
Point's, rebounds, assists.
Jordan getting rebounds and assists like that?
He had season averaging 8 rebounds and 8 assists and lead NBA in triple doubles while averaging 32.5 points a game. -
This has been beat to death.
Like I've said, there's only one or two people who could truly be considered GOAT if not your ? ....Russell and Kareem.
We've done the Kareem vs. Mike thing to death, and in the end, it always comes down to "Mike's the best that I've seen play." -
En-Fuego22 wrote: »I just think people need to define the criteria of what makes someone the GOAT, because they seem to make exceptions for MJ. smh
1. If it's titles then it's Russell or some of them old Celtic ?
2. If it's pure stats or dominance then it's Kareem or Wilt
3. If it's individual skillset then it's probably someone like Magic, Lebron, Oscar
4. Is it all time great moments?
What is the criteria because Jordan ain't dominant in none of them. Plus if were being honest Kareem is the most accomplished player ever.
? how tf does lbj magic and Oscar has a better skill set?
Point's, rebounds, assists.
Jordan getting rebounds and assists like that?
He had season averaging 8 rebounds and 8 assists and lead NBA in triple doubles while averaging 32.5 points a game.
Jordan only had 1 season where he ever had more than 7 rebounds or 7 assist.
Dudes like Big O, Magic, and Lebron do that on a nightly basis. -
Usmarine saying dumb ? must be a day that ends in Y
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I just think people need to define the criteria of what makes someone the GOAT, because they seem to make exceptions for MJ. smh
1. If it's titles then it's Russell or some of them old Celtic ?
2. If it's pure stats or dominance then it's Kareem or Wilt
3. If it's individual skillset then it's probably someone like Magic, Lebron, Oscar
4. Is it all time great moments?
What is the criteria because Jordan ain't dominant in none of them. Plus if were being honest Kareem is the most accomplished player ever.
Taylor Swift is one of the best Selling recording artists of ALL TIME and has a closet full of Grammys...
What does that tell you.
The answer is simple ... It's the Eye Test ... Backed up with accomplishments.
That really ends the discussion for me.
MJ is the GOAT, Period.
How is the eye test when none of you ? lived through the Russell, Wilt, Kareem, Big O,etc play.
Russell and Kareem have similar accomplishments to Jordan
Kareem has 6 regular season mvps and 5 rings
Russell has 5 mvps and 11 titles
I've seen tape and I know the context.
Jordan's competition dwarfs Russel and the Oscars.
I'm not saying it isn't close with Kareem - you have an argument... But you asked for criteria ...
And I gave you the Eye Test. I have never seen anyone compare to Jordan on the court.
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nope
