Don Lemoán Confronts Black Lives Matter Leader: Why Not Change Police Depts From Within...

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  • Plutarch
    Plutarch Members Posts: 3,239 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    D0wn wrote: »
    That's already proven, it dosent work...

    At this point all we doing is going in circles.

    word. not much has changed really.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTbxVFTDdo0

    ^^^ and that was over 20 years ago. ? is dark, really, when you think about it.
  • desertrain10
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    On paper it sounds good, diversifying the police force....but in reality we are just replacing cogs in a machine...

    And it falls short addressing why our communities are unequally policed and brutalized

    The whole criminal justice system needs to be dismantled or at least reassessed...first and foremost
  • jono
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    Don't want to help police
    Don't want to be police
    Don't want to police communities for free
    But want to complain when police doesn't do anything or is ineffective.


    Where's the win? ? just want to complain.

    Nobody watches cops all day, they literally have no supervisor. Join the force and let folks do whatever they want to like you think should happen.
  • mc317
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    This ? is sotomayer jr 2 ? ? in a tree
  • 7figz
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    jono wrote: »
    Don't want to help police
    Don't want to be police
    Don't want to police communities for free
    But want to complain when police doesn't do anything or is ineffective.


    Where's the win? ? just want to complain.

    Nobody watches cops all day, they literally have no supervisor. Join the force and let folks do whatever they want to like you think should happen.

    See why you ain't get that text ?

    She clearly explained why - and there have been points already made in this thread why not and all you come to is "? just want to complain" ?

    SMMFH
  • blackgod813
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    jono wrote: »
    Don't want to help police
    Don't want to be police
    Don't want to police communities for free
    But want to complain when police doesn't do anything or is ineffective.


    Where's the win? ? just want to complain.

    Nobody watches cops all day, they literally have no supervisor. Join the force and let folks do whatever they want to like you think should happen.

    That's what I been said...if blm protesters become the police they controll how they enforce the law....if your the judge you decide how you interrupt the law...
  • jono
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    7figz wrote: »
    jono wrote: »
    Don't want to help police
    Don't want to be police
    Don't want to police communities for free
    But want to complain when police doesn't do anything or is ineffective.


    Where's the win? ? just want to complain.

    Nobody watches cops all day, they literally have no supervisor. Join the force and let folks do whatever they want to like you think should happen.

    See why you ain't get that text ?

    She clearly explained why - and there have been points already made in this thread why not and all you come to is "? just want to complain" ?

    SMMFH

    Cuz all ? want to do is complain.

    Are ? trying to help police catch real criminals or nah? The answer is no. "That ain't my business/no snitching"

    Are ? trying to join the force? No. "See see see the whole system corrupt mayne!" You gonna try or no? Of course not. Its easier to criticize.

    The problem with cops is there isn't any oversight. Literally no one will bother you if you let a ? speed, let em jaywalk, smoke weed etc nobody cares! Its one of the easiest jobs in the world. Most cops do NOTHING all day.

    And being a cop doesn't require anything special either. Literally a gang of well educated, liberal black men can join the force en masse (they always hiring especially in the inner city.)

    The same can be said for POs, COs and alot of other criminal justice jobs.
  • jono
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    That's a false equivalency but do you.
  • 7figz
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    jono wrote: »
    7figz wrote: »
    jono wrote: »
    Don't want to help police
    Don't want to be police
    Don't want to police communities for free
    But want to complain when police doesn't do anything or is ineffective.


    Where's the win? ? just want to complain.

    Nobody watches cops all day, they literally have no supervisor. Join the force and let folks do whatever they want to like you think should happen.

    See why you ain't get that text ?

    She clearly explained why - and there have been points already made in this thread why not and all you come to is "? just want to complain" ?

    SMMFH

    Cuz all ? want to do is complain.

    Are ? trying to help police catch real criminals or nah? The answer is no. "That ain't my business/no snitching"

    Are ? trying to join the force? No. "See see see the whole system corrupt mayne!" You gonna try or no? Of course not. Its easier to criticize.

    The problem with cops is there isn't any oversight. Literally no one will bother you if you let a ? speed, let em jaywalk, smoke weed etc nobody cares! Its one of the easiest jobs in the world. Most cops do NOTHING all day.

    And being a cop doesn't require anything special either. Literally a gang of well educated, liberal black men can join the force en masse (they always hiring especially in the inner city.)

    The same can be said for POs, COs and alot of other criminal justice jobs.

    To respond. (I don't use the word "? " to refer to Black people)

    You know how many Black snitches / informants there are ? A lot I'm sure.

    You know how many Black cops there are ? A lot. Is it changing anything ?

    The reason there is no oversight of cops isn't because of individual cops, it's systematic. Police unions, prosecutors, chiefs, mayors, judges, laws, etc....
  • jono
    jono Members Posts: 30,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    7figz wrote: »
    jono wrote: »
    7figz wrote: »
    jono wrote: »
    Don't want to help police
    Don't want to be police
    Don't want to police communities for free
    But want to complain when police doesn't do anything or is ineffective.


    Where's the win? ? just want to complain.

    Nobody watches cops all day, they literally have no supervisor. Join the force and let folks do whatever they want to like you think should happen.

    See why you ain't get that text ?

    She clearly explained why - and there have been points already made in this thread why not and all you come to is "? just want to complain" ?

    SMMFH

    Cuz all ? want to do is complain.

    Are ? trying to help police catch real criminals or nah? The answer is no. "That ain't my business/no snitching"

    Are ? trying to join the force? No. "See see see the whole system corrupt mayne!" You gonna try or no? Of course not. Its easier to criticize.

    The problem with cops is there isn't any oversight. Literally no one will bother you if you let a ? speed, let em jaywalk, smoke weed etc nobody cares! Its one of the easiest jobs in the world. Most cops do NOTHING all day.

    And being a cop doesn't require anything special either. Literally a gang of well educated, liberal black men can join the force en masse (they always hiring especially in the inner city.)

    The same can be said for POs, COs and alot of other criminal justice jobs.

    To respond. (I don't use the word "? " to refer to Black people)

    You know how many Black snitches / informants there are ? A lot I'm sure.

    You know how many Black cops there are ? A lot. Is it changing anything ?

    The reason there is no oversight of cops isn't because of individual cops, it's systematic. Police unions, prosecutors, chiefs, mayors, judges, laws, etc....

    There isnt enough.

    Whenever Theres a significant amount of "snitches" you see the results. Compare the mob of today to the mob of 50 years ago.

    Police depts the country over are still primarily white even in black cities.

    Oversight of individual officers is virtually non existent. Those police reports are basically on the honor code. Whoever is over your dept wasn't there so they know nothing about whatever happened.

    Cops literally drive past and ignore ? all day so they won't have to deal with people.

    Want to know why theres a quota system on tickets? Because people complained that cops don't do ? ! (then they changed the rules that some depts are funded by tickets and asset forefeiture, the point is to incentivize police action because otherwise they wouldn't do a damn thing!)

  • Trillfate
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    Nobody can agree on a solution... looks like Micah had the right idea
  • Shizlansky
    Shizlansky Members Posts: 35,095 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Like commsion Gordon said

    "This only gets fixed from within"
  • Copper
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    Shizlansky wrote: »
    Like commsion Gordon said

    "This only gets fixed from within"

    He was ? in that film too and didn't snitch on bad cops
  • the dukester
    the dukester Members Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I'm always wary of black men who shave their ? hair to the skin.

    This ? -eatin, batty-boy does the white man's bidding in the day. And literally gets his ? pushed in at night.
  •   Colin$mackabi$h
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    Trapped in this game where the trap is the game. - ab soul
  • 7figz
    7figz Members Posts: 15,294 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    jono wrote: »
    7figz wrote: »
    jono wrote: »
    7figz wrote: »
    jono wrote: »
    Don't want to help police
    Don't want to be police
    Don't want to police communities for free
    But want to complain when police doesn't do anything or is ineffective.


    Where's the win? ? just want to complain.

    Nobody watches cops all day, they literally have no supervisor. Join the force and let folks do whatever they want to like you think should happen.

    See why you ain't get that text ?

    She clearly explained why - and there have been points already made in this thread why not and all you come to is "? just want to complain" ?

    SMMFH

    Cuz all ? want to do is complain.

    Are ? trying to help police catch real criminals or nah? The answer is no. "That ain't my business/no snitching"

    Are ? trying to join the force? No. "See see see the whole system corrupt mayne!" You gonna try or no? Of course not. Its easier to criticize.

    The problem with cops is there isn't any oversight. Literally no one will bother you if you let a ? speed, let em jaywalk, smoke weed etc nobody cares! Its one of the easiest jobs in the world. Most cops do NOTHING all day.

    And being a cop doesn't require anything special either. Literally a gang of well educated, liberal black men can join the force en masse (they always hiring especially in the inner city.)

    The same can be said for POs, COs and alot of other criminal justice jobs.

    To respond. (I don't use the word "? " to refer to Black people)

    You know how many Black snitches / informants there are ? A lot I'm sure.

    You know how many Black cops there are ? A lot. Is it changing anything ?

    The reason there is no oversight of cops isn't because of individual cops, it's systematic. Police unions, prosecutors, chiefs, mayors, judges, laws, etc....

    There isnt enough.

    Whenever Theres a significant amount of "snitches" you see the results. Compare the mob of today to the mob of 50 years ago.

    Police depts the country over are still primarily white even in black cities.

    Oversight of individual officers is virtually non existent. Those police reports are basically on the honor code. Whoever is over your dept wasn't there so they know nothing about whatever happened.

    Cops literally drive past and ignore ? all day so they won't have to deal with people.

    Want to know why theres a quota system on tickets? Because people complained that cops don't do ? ! (then they changed the rules that some depts are funded by tickets and asset forefeiture, the point is to incentivize police action because otherwise they wouldn't do a damn thing!)

    The dude didn't say - 'we need more Black cops on the force so we can make a difference'. He said 'come make a difference, don't be part of the problem' as if somehow one cop is going to make a difference.

    Again, like I said - what about Nakia Jones ? Didn't she get suspended as a cop for speaking out against the ? ?

    And she's just one - there have been others.

    Finally, how you can knock someone wanting to change the system over being a part of it ? Which one would have more a substantial effect - especially when the system hasn't changed for the better in decades ?
  • white sympathizer
    white sympathizer Members Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2016
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    No different than that ? james baldwin, ol "why don't ? like me, i speaks so well" ass ? ? Only difference is that ? up and left while this high yellow ? bandit remains here to ?
  • jono
    jono Members Posts: 30,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    7figz wrote: »
    jono wrote: »
    7figz wrote: »
    jono wrote: »
    7figz wrote: »
    jono wrote: »
    Don't want to help police
    Don't want to be police
    Don't want to police communities for free
    But want to complain when police doesn't do anything or is ineffective.


    Where's the win? ? just want to complain.

    Nobody watches cops all day, they literally have no supervisor. Join the force and let folks do whatever they want to like you think should happen.

    See why you ain't get that text ?

    She clearly explained why - and there have been points already made in this thread why not and all you come to is "? just want to complain" ?

    SMMFH

    Cuz all ? want to do is complain.

    Are ? trying to help police catch real criminals or nah? The answer is no. "That ain't my business/no snitching"

    Are ? trying to join the force? No. "See see see the whole system corrupt mayne!" You gonna try or no? Of course not. Its easier to criticize.

    The problem with cops is there isn't any oversight. Literally no one will bother you if you let a ? speed, let em jaywalk, smoke weed etc nobody cares! Its one of the easiest jobs in the world. Most cops do NOTHING all day.

    And being a cop doesn't require anything special either. Literally a gang of well educated, liberal black men can join the force en masse (they always hiring especially in the inner city.)

    The same can be said for POs, COs and alot of other criminal justice jobs.

    To respond. (I don't use the word "? " to refer to Black people)

    You know how many Black snitches / informants there are ? A lot I'm sure.

    You know how many Black cops there are ? A lot. Is it changing anything ?

    The reason there is no oversight of cops isn't because of individual cops, it's systematic. Police unions, prosecutors, chiefs, mayors, judges, laws, etc....

    There isnt enough.

    Whenever Theres a significant amount of "snitches" you see the results. Compare the mob of today to the mob of 50 years ago.

    Police depts the country over are still primarily white even in black cities.

    Oversight of individual officers is virtually non existent. Those police reports are basically on the honor code. Whoever is over your dept wasn't there so they know nothing about whatever happened.

    Cops literally drive past and ignore ? all day so they won't have to deal with people.

    Want to know why theres a quota system on tickets? Because people complained that cops don't do ? ! (then they changed the rules that some depts are funded by tickets and asset forefeiture, the point is to incentivize police action because otherwise they wouldn't do a damn thing!)

    The dude didn't say - 'we need more Black cops on the force so we can make a difference'. He said 'come make a difference, don't be part of the problem' as if somehow one cop is going to make a difference.
    That wouldn't even be an intelligent statement.
    Again, like I said - what about Nakia Jones ? Didn't she get suspended as a cop for speaking out against the ? ?
    Yep because there isn't enough of them to stand behind her in her dept.
    Finally, how you can knock someone wanting to change the system over being a part of it ? Which one would have more a substantial effect - especially when the system hasn't changed for the better in decades ?[font]

    Changing the system in a substantitve way is multifaceted. One of which is personnel.
  • desertrain10
    desertrain10 Members Posts: 4,829 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    7figz wrote: »
    jono wrote: »
    7figz wrote: »
    jono wrote: »
    7figz wrote: »
    jono wrote: »
    Don't want to help police
    Don't want to be police
    Don't want to police communities for free
    But want to complain when police doesn't do anything or is ineffective.


    Where's the win? ? just want to complain.

    Nobody watches cops all day, they literally have no supervisor. Join the force and let folks do whatever they want to like you think should happen.

    See why you ain't get that text ?

    She clearly explained why - and there have been points already made in this thread why not and all you come to is "? just want to complain" ?

    SMMFH

    Cuz all ? want to do is complain.

    Are ? trying to help police catch real criminals or nah? The answer is no. "That ain't my business/no snitching"

    Are ? trying to join the force? No. "See see see the whole system corrupt mayne!" You gonna try or no? Of course not. Its easier to criticize.

    The problem with cops is there isn't any oversight. Literally no one will bother you if you let a ? speed, let em jaywalk, smoke weed etc nobody cares! Its one of the easiest jobs in the world. Most cops do NOTHING all day.

    And being a cop doesn't require anything special either. Literally a gang of well educated, liberal black men can join the force en masse (they always hiring especially in the inner city.)

    The same can be said for POs, COs and alot of other criminal justice jobs.

    To respond. (I don't use the word "? " to refer to Black people)

    You know how many Black snitches / informants there are ? A lot I'm sure.

    You know how many Black cops there are ? A lot. Is it changing anything ?

    The reason there is no oversight of cops isn't because of individual cops, it's systematic. Police unions, prosecutors, chiefs, mayors, judges, laws, etc....

    There isnt enough.

    Whenever Theres a significant amount of "snitches" you see the results. Compare the mob of today to the mob of 50 years ago.

    Police depts the country over are still primarily white even in black cities.

    Oversight of individual officers is virtually non existent. Those police reports are basically on the honor code. Whoever is over your dept wasn't there so they know nothing about whatever happened.

    Cops literally drive past and ignore ? all day so they won't have to deal with people.

    Want to know why theres a quota system on tickets? Because people complained that cops don't do ? ! (then they changed the rules that some depts are funded by tickets and asset forefeiture, the point is to incentivize police action because otherwise they wouldn't do a damn thing!)

    The dude didn't say - 'we need more Black cops on the force so we can make a difference'. He said 'come make a difference, don't be part of the problem' as if somehow one cop is going to make a difference.

    Again, like I said - what about Nakia Jones ? Didn't she get suspended as a cop for speaking out against the ? ?

    And she's just one - there have been others.

    Finally, how you can knock someone wanting to change the system over being a part of it ? Which one would have more a substantial effect - especially when the system hasn't changed for the better in decades ?[font]

    Don't start with him

    Rather than consider the legitimate reasons as to why more Hispanics and blks arent joining the force, ? is complaining about ? complaining

    Not only that, if he truly believes that the problem is merely there being a lack of oversight dude is lost
  • jono
    jono Members Posts: 30,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2016
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    7figz wrote: »
    jono wrote: »
    7figz wrote: »
    jono wrote: »
    7figz wrote: »
    jono wrote: »
    Don't want to help police
    Don't want to be police
    Don't want to police communities for free
    But want to complain when police doesn't do anything or is ineffective.


    Where's the win? ? just want to complain.

    Nobody watches cops all day, they literally have no supervisor. Join the force and let folks do whatever they want to like you think should happen.

    See why you ain't get that text ?

    She clearly explained why - and there have been points already made in this thread why not and all you come to is "? just want to complain" ?

    SMMFH

    Cuz all ? want to do is complain.

    Are ? trying to help police catch real criminals or nah? The answer is no. "That ain't my business/no snitching"

    Are ? trying to join the force? No. "See see see the whole system corrupt mayne!" You gonna try or no? Of course not. Its easier to criticize.

    The problem with cops is there isn't any oversight. Literally no one will bother you if you let a ? speed, let em jaywalk, smoke weed etc nobody cares! Its one of the easiest jobs in the world. Most cops do NOTHING all day.

    And being a cop doesn't require anything special either. Literally a gang of well educated, liberal black men can join the force en masse (they always hiring especially in the inner city.)

    The same can be said for POs, COs and alot of other criminal justice jobs.

    To respond. (I don't use the word "? " to refer to Black people)

    You know how many Black snitches / informants there are ? A lot I'm sure.

    You know how many Black cops there are ? A lot. Is it changing anything ?

    The reason there is no oversight of cops isn't because of individual cops, it's systematic. Police unions, prosecutors, chiefs, mayors, judges, laws, etc....

    There isnt enough.

    Whenever Theres a significant amount of "snitches" you see the results. Compare the mob of today to the mob of 50 years ago.

    Police depts the country over are still primarily white even in black cities.

    Oversight of individual officers is virtually non existent. Those police reports are basically on the honor code. Whoever is over your dept wasn't there so they know nothing about whatever happened.

    Cops literally drive past and ignore ? all day so they won't have to deal with people.

    Want to know why theres a quota system on tickets? Because people complained that cops don't do ? ! (then they changed the rules that some depts are funded by tickets and asset forefeiture, the point is to incentivize police action because otherwise they wouldn't do a damn thing!)

    The dude didn't say - 'we need more Black cops on the force so we can make a difference'. He said 'come make a difference, don't be part of the problem' as if somehow one cop is going to make a difference.

    Again, like I said - what about Nakia Jones ? Didn't she get suspended as a cop for speaking out against the ? ?

    And she's just one - there have been others.

    Finally, how you can knock someone wanting to change the system over being a part of it ? Which one would have more a substantial effect - especially when the system hasn't changed for the better in decades ?[font]

    Don't start with him

    Rather than consider the legitimate reasons as to why more Hispanics and blks arent joining the force, ? is complaining about ? complaining

    Not only that, if he truly believes that the problem is merely there being a lack of oversight dude is lost

    Lack of oversight is a major reason why ? happens. You can't ignore it. Its not the only thing but its a major point.
    .
    Pie in the sky ? isn't going to change a thing. You need to take a gander at the Monk thread about solutions. Great realistic solutions proposed in there.

    And finally no matter who the coach is you need players to run the play, which means personnel concerns. I study this. Normative arguments based on emotional outbursts won't change anything.
  • Black Boy King
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    Ain't bruh a ? ?

  • 5th Letter
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    Trillfate wrote: »
    Nobody can agree on a solution... looks like Micah had the right idea

    He even killed a neo ? white extremist posing as a cop.