Feminist Now Trying to Come After King Kendrick!!!
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Already Home_17 wrote: »plenty of black women praised those lyrics as well
can't please everyone
Black feminists and black women arent the same -
They aint mean it...
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atribecalledgabi wrote: »2stepz_ahead wrote: »so he says fame is wack an embrace your black natural self....but that's wrong?
do white feminist come this hard at white men?
No. They voted for trump.
this might be an interesting read for you.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_58df03b4e4b0ba3595953602?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009
these chicks need to lose their right to vote -
Already Home_17 wrote: »plenty of black women praised those lyrics as well
can't please everyone
Black feminists and black women arent the same
Even when a woman says she isn't a feminist she has ingrained in her feminist thought and ideology so she'll carry out that program subconsciously. -
the ? do these ? want from a ? ?!
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the ? do these ? want from a ? ?!
Destruction. At the end of the day, I think these chicks want the "traditional man" to disappear. -
the ? do these ? want from a ? ?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=409Pjtq7jzY
That what they want. But it IS the other way. FemBots can't take that other way ? . -
this ? is being way overblown
and i find the things he's said in the past about mike brown to be more disturbing
just think the push back comes from this recent idea that he and other men giving women the okay to be “natural” or to have stretch marks is liberating for women ....
nice, requesting an afro or some stretch marks, but he is still asking women to please his gaze
the goal of feminism is to free women from the male gaze and be able to make their own decisions about their own lives...so a man telling women how to present themselves (even if naturally) is a step backwards
not to mention.... to uplift women, it does not require you to tell women how sexy or attractive they are... it's shallow...
and while i love how there are ppl who are trying to broaden our perception of beauty to include cellulite it is becoming a just another way to shame women and pit women against each other
also i believe the ire comes from the irony. the media and artist who are the ones who created/pushed this new big ? plastic surgery craze, now want to critique it....? just a year or two ago kendrick was surrounded by the likes of lira galore and other knifed up video vixens in "king kuta"
maybe I was spoiled by songs like keep your head up, dear mama, U.N.I.T.Y, none of your business, hey mama, ladies first...
he said in an interview his next album is supposed to be for women so hopefully this is a learning experience -
Listen female as long as yall women actually still intetested in men you are going to be subject to what we find attractive. And its never going to be your choice.
Sorry to burst you and your peoples bubble, but you arent going to shame men into accepting any and everything as beautiful. -
Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »this ? is being way overblown
and i find the things he's said in the past about mike brown to be more disturbing
just think the push back comes from this recent idea that he and other men giving women the okay to be “natural” or to have stretch marks is liberating for women ....
nice, requesting an afro or some stretch marks, but he is still asking women to please his gaze
the goal of feminism is to free women from the male gaze and be able to make their own decisions about their own lives...so a man telling women how to present themselves (even if naturally) is a step backwards
not to mention.... to uplift women, it does not require you to tell women how sexy or attractive they are... it's shallow...
and while i love how there are ppl who are trying to broaden our perception of beauty to include cellulite it is becoming a just another way to shame women and pit women against each other
also i believe the ire comes from the irony. the media and artist who are the ones who created/pushed this new big ? plastic surgery craze, now want to critique it....? just a year or two ago kendrick was surrounded by the likes of lira galore and other knifed up video vixens in "king kuta"
maybe I was spoiled by songs like keep your head up, dear mama, U.N.I.T.Y, none of your business, hey mama, ladies first...
he said in an interview his next album is supposed to be for women so hopefully this is a learning experience
I swear, no matter stupid the stance these feminists take, you'll try to defend it. You seem to have a good head and are smart, so I find it so hard to believe that you really cling to this nonsense.
You really think it's a problem for a man to have a preference in how women look and for him to make a request that women move towards that. He's not mandating it. He didn't propose some law that would stop women from the fake ? . He just said what he likes and what he wants to see. That would only be offensive to someone if you felt that men don't have the right to say such things.
And if feminism's goal is to free women from the male gaze, it's stupider than I thought. We are all physical beings. Physicality isn't the most important thing, but this constant need to act like it's nothing is silly. Both men and women have interests in the physical appearance of the other. And both should have the right to state preferences. Men don't typically like any of the crazy ? that women do with their appearances, but women do it anyway, so clearly the male gaze isn't this oppressive force you're trying to claim.
And Kendrick has been against the fake ? . He's been making songs like this since Section 80. If females take more cues about a rapper's stance from the choice of video hoes used than the actual substance of the music those rappers make, those females should stop listening to rap.
As for your last sentence, what is he supposed to have learned? I think ya'll feminists overestimate your influence. I've told you this before. Ya'll may make a lot of noise, but you don't seem to understand the bad blood you're building towards your movement from both men and women. Go to YouTube and look at a lot of response videos to feminist rantings. They aren't made by men. They are made by women. A lot of women think feminists are fools. Hell, a lot of women that considered themselves to be feminists no longer want that label because of the ? associated with it. I'd actually be interested in seeing a study done on what percentage of women identify with modern feminism. -
konceptjones wrote: »The Lonious Monk wrote: »So now these chicks are mad at ? for saying they prefer them without a bunch of extra ? ? Now dudes can't even express their preferences without being attacked? Geez, these feminists need to disappear. Can't we just get them their own island and send them over there. There'd be no men, so they'd have nothing left to complain about.
They would be dead within a couple of weeks.
http://www.returnofkings.com/32053/this-accidental-experiment-shows-the-superiority-of-patriarchyQuite a few years ago, I had the pleasure of watching the Dutch version of Survivor (Expeditie Robinson) with my feminist roommate. That particular season would have two islands, one populated by men and one populated by women. My roommate had been promoting that particular series to me and the other students in the house for weeks because it would show us, according to her, what a society run by women – free from the evils of patriarchy – would be like.
And it did. Oh it did.
Here is what happened: initially both groups were dropped on their respective islands, given some supplies to get started and left to fend for themselves. In both groups there was some initial squabbling as people tried to figure out a local hierarchy. The men pretty much did whatever they felt was necessary – there was no leader giving orders. Men who felt like hunting, foraging or fishing did so. Another guy decided he was fed up with sitting on sand and started making benches. Others built a hut that gradually grew and evolved. Another guy cooked every night. Within days a neat little civilization was thriving, each day being slightly more prosperous than the previous one.
The women settled into a routine as well. The hung up a clothesline to dry their towels, then proceeded to sunbathe and squabble. Because unlike men, women were unable to do anything without consensus of the whole group. And because it was a group of at least a dozen women, consensus was never reached. During the next few episodes, the women ate all their initial supplies, got drenched by tropical storms several times, were eaten alive by sand fleas and were generally miserable. The men on the other hand, were quite content. There were disagreements of course, but they were generally resolved.Now this might all be a fluke, a white raven, an exceptional case not representative of society as whole. But that particular season of Dutch Survivor is not unique. CBS broadcast several Survivor seasons in the US, where men and women started off in separate groups. In most cases (the Amazon and One World), the result was the same. The men quickly got their act together, getting access to food, fire and shelter while the women spent a lot of time and energy on petty little squabbles, eating their meager supplies, getting drenched in storms and generally being pathetic. The opposite situation, where men didn’t get their act together while women quickly built a functional micro society, has not yet been observed outside of feminist fiction, and it probably never will.
and...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1168182/Catfights-handbags-tears-toilets-When-producer-launched-women-TV-company-thought-shed-kissed-goodbye-conflict-.htmlOver in one corner sat Alice, a strong-minded 27-year-old who always said what she thought, regardless of how much it might hurt someone else. In the other corner was Sarah, a thirtysomething high-flier who would stand up for herself momentarily - then burst into tears and run for the ladies.
Their simmering fight lasted hours, egged on by spectators taking sides and fuelling the anger. Sometimes other girls would join in, either heckling aggressively or huddling defensively in the toilets. It might sound like a scene from a ? reality show such as Big Brother, but the truth is a little more prosaic: it was just a normal morning in my office.
The venomous women were supposedly the talented employees I had headhunted to achieve my utopian dream - a female- only company with happy, harmonious workers benefiting from an absence of men.
Samantha Brick
Samantha Brick: Her business was ruined by the destructive jealousy and in-fighting of an all-female staff
It was an idealistic vision swiftly shattered by the nightmare reality: constant bitchiness, surging hormones, unchecked emotion, attention-seeking and fashion rivalry so fierce it tore my staff apart.
When I read the other day that Sienna Miller had said there was no such thing as 'the Sisterhood', I knew what she meant.
I can understand why people want to believe that women look out for each other - because with men in power at work and in politics, it makes sense for us to stick together.
In fact, there was a time when I believed in the Sisterhood - but that was before women at war led to my emotional and financial ruin.
Women hate other Women with a passion,Men are needed to create prosperous civilizations. -
Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »this ? is being way overblown
and i find the things he's said in the past about mike brown to be more disturbing
just think the push back comes from this recent idea that he and other men giving women the okay to be “natural” or to have stretch marks is liberating for women ....
nice, requesting an afro or some stretch marks, but he is still asking women to please his gaze
the goal of feminism is to free women from the male gaze and be able to make their own decisions about their own lives...so a man telling women how to present themselves (even if naturally) is a step backwards
not to mention.... to uplift women, it does not require you to tell women how sexy or attractive they are... it's shallow...
and while i love how there are ppl who are trying to broaden our perception of beauty to include cellulite it is becoming a just another way to shame women and pit women against each other
also i believe the ire comes from the irony. the media and artist who are the ones who created/pushed this new big ? plastic surgery craze, now want to critique it....? just a year or two ago kendrick was surrounded by the likes of lira galore and other knifed up video vixens in "king kuta"
maybe I was spoiled by songs like keep your head up, dear mama, U.N.I.T.Y, none of your business, hey mama, ladies first...
he said in an interview his next album is supposed to be for women so hopefully this is a learning experience
The idea of feminism freeing women from feminism is 4th wave ? . Feminists seeking to be perpetual victims of some crime more imagined than real.
Kdot was only cosigning a perception promoted by black women for the past two years, this whole body positivity theme.
But what these hoes do to kdot? Crucify him for being a man daring to express an opinion on women's bodies. Forget that females express preferences for men's height weight body type skin color eye color and ? size. This ? said it's ok for women to be who they naturally are and he accepts loves and prefers that.
? these hoes breh. The only thing they know they want for certain is to be seen as the victim and they will not pass up any opportunity to do so. These hoes are like rabid dogs, turning on you on a dime.
It's probably wrong for me to impugn their character like that, after all most dogs are loyal kind and lovable. -
The Lonious Monk wrote: »
"Toxic masculinity" -
The biggest problem with feminists. They are pushing the wrong agenda. They are fighting the natural order of things. Even without law and societal structures men and women are still vastly different and will never be equal. We are not reptile, able to switch genders on a whim. We are visual creatures. We look, judge and act. That will never change.
You want respect. Cool. You want workplace equality. Cool. But no woman alive is going to tell me how I should conduct myself as a man. We are a great and numerous species. We have endless choices. Respect is a universal emotion. Don't jump in an arena with a bear and expect a fair fight. Ya ass better train, study and understand your opponent if you expect to win. Feminism is so devisive and it brings out the worst in women. -
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atribecalledgabi wrote: »2stepz_ahead wrote: »so he says fame is wack an embrace your black natural self....but that's wrong?
do white feminist come this hard at white men?
No. They voted for trump.
You may just be joking, but white feminists didn't really vote for Trump. White women overall did (at least those who voted) but not white feminists. Far from it. -
Kendrick medicore AF
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Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »this ? is being way overblown
and i find the things he's said in the past about mike brown to be more disturbing
just think the push back comes from this recent idea that he and other men giving women the okay to be “natural” or to have stretch marks is liberating for women ....
nice, requesting an afro or some stretch marks, but he is still asking women to please his gaze
the goal of feminism is to free women from the male gaze and be able to make their own decisions about their own lives...so a man telling women how to present themselves (even if naturally) is a step backwards
not to mention.... to uplift women, it does not require you to tell women how sexy or attractive they are... it's shallow...
and while i love how there are ppl who are trying to broaden our perception of beauty to include cellulite it is becoming a just another way to shame women and pit women against each other
also i believe the ire comes from the irony. the media and artist who are the ones who created/pushed this new big ? plastic surgery craze, now want to critique it....? just a year or two ago kendrick was surrounded by the likes of lira galore and other knifed up video vixens in "king kuta"
maybe I was spoiled by songs like keep your head up, dear mama, U.N.I.T.Y, none of your business, hey mama, ladies first...
he said in an interview his next album is supposed to be for women so hopefully this is a learning experience
That is essentially the argument I've seen from people complaining. I haven't heard the song myself so I don't know.
That said, if he's not being disrespectful then drop it. I saw one broad say some ? like "Black women ain't here for your sexual entertainment..." and I scoffed at that ? . They reading into it too much. Especially when other ? flat out making songs calling women ? and hoes, talking about they can't be trusted, and all that.
If they gotta make up ? or blow ? out of proportion then they just sensitive and insecure. Ain't no cure for that. -
konceptjones wrote: »The Lonious Monk wrote: »So now these chicks are mad at ? for saying they prefer them without a bunch of extra ? ? Now dudes can't even express their preferences without being attacked? Geez, these feminists need to disappear. Can't we just get them their own island and send them over there. There'd be no men, so they'd have nothing left to complain about.
They would be dead within a couple of weeks.
http://www.returnofkings.com/32053/this-accidental-experiment-shows-the-superiority-of-patriarchyQuite a few years ago, I had the pleasure of watching the Dutch version of Survivor (Expeditie Robinson) with my feminist roommate. That particular season would have two islands, one populated by men and one populated by women. My roommate had been promoting that particular series to me and the other students in the house for weeks because it would show us, according to her, what a society run by women – free from the evils of patriarchy – would be like.
And it did. Oh it did.
Here is what happened: initially both groups were dropped on their respective islands, given some supplies to get started and left to fend for themselves. In both groups there was some initial squabbling as people tried to figure out a local hierarchy. The men pretty much did whatever they felt was necessary – there was no leader giving orders. Men who felt like hunting, foraging or fishing did so. Another guy decided he was fed up with sitting on sand and started making benches. Others built a hut that gradually grew and evolved. Another guy cooked every night. Within days a neat little civilization was thriving, each day being slightly more prosperous than the previous one.
The women settled into a routine as well. The hung up a clothesline to dry their towels, then proceeded to sunbathe and squabble. Because unlike men, women were unable to do anything without consensus of the whole group. And because it was a group of at least a dozen women, consensus was never reached. During the next few episodes, the women ate all their initial supplies, got drenched by tropical storms several times, were eaten alive by sand fleas and were generally miserable. The men on the other hand, were quite content. There were disagreements of course, but they were generally resolved.Now this might all be a fluke, a white raven, an exceptional case not representative of society as whole. But that particular season of Dutch Survivor is not unique. CBS broadcast several Survivor seasons in the US, where men and women started off in separate groups. In most cases (the Amazon and One World), the result was the same. The men quickly got their act together, getting access to food, fire and shelter while the women spent a lot of time and energy on petty little squabbles, eating their meager supplies, getting drenched in storms and generally being pathetic. The opposite situation, where men didn’t get their act together while women quickly built a functional micro society, has not yet been observed outside of feminist fiction, and it probably never will.
and...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1168182/Catfights-handbags-tears-toilets-When-producer-launched-women-TV-company-thought-shed-kissed-goodbye-conflict-.htmlOver in one corner sat Alice, a strong-minded 27-year-old who always said what she thought, regardless of how much it might hurt someone else. In the other corner was Sarah, a thirtysomething high-flier who would stand up for herself momentarily - then burst into tears and run for the ladies.
Their simmering fight lasted hours, egged on by spectators taking sides and fuelling the anger. Sometimes other girls would join in, either heckling aggressively or huddling defensively in the toilets. It might sound like a scene from a ? reality show such as Big Brother, but the truth is a little more prosaic: it was just a normal morning in my office.
The venomous women were supposedly the talented employees I had headhunted to achieve my utopian dream - a female- only company with happy, harmonious workers benefiting from an absence of men.
Samantha Brick
Samantha Brick: Her business was ruined by the destructive jealousy and in-fighting of an all-female staff
It was an idealistic vision swiftly shattered by the nightmare reality: constant bitchiness, surging hormones, unchecked emotion, attention-seeking and fashion rivalry so fierce it tore my staff apart.
When I read the other day that Sienna Miller had said there was no such thing as 'the Sisterhood', I knew what she meant.
I can understand why people want to believe that women look out for each other - because with men in power at work and in politics, it makes sense for us to stick together.
In fact, there was a time when I believed in the Sisterhood - but that was before women at war led to my emotional and financial ruin.
@Madame_CJSkywalker
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The Lonious Monk wrote: »
Most of this is the result of man-hating butch lesbians infiltrating the feminist movement.
On the low, these chicks try to turn out other women in the movement..........and not just sexually, but mentally as well.
Judging by the kind of rhetoric that's come out of the feminist movement in recent years, I'd have to say that they've been quite successful. -
Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »
nice, requesting an afro or some stretch marks, but he is still asking women to please his gaze
the goal of feminism is to free women from the male gaze and be able to make their own decisions about their own lives...so a man telling women how to present themselves (even if naturally) is a step backwards
not to mention.... to uplift women, it does not require you to tell women how sexy or attractive they are... it's shallow...
and while i love how there are ppl who are trying to broaden our perception of beauty to include cellulite it is becoming a just another way to shame women and pit women against each other
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Part of the problem^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
To.............."free women from the male gaze?"
Really???
I thought conventional feminism was supposed to be all about equality.......equal pay, equal opportunity, etc.
When did that change?
And he wasn't............"telling women how to present themselves."
He was just encouraging women not to fall into the trap of constantly trying to unnaturally enhance their features and to accept themselves as they really are.
You, like many other feminists, took his comments in the worst possible context.
And you wonder why so many people don't take that ? seriously. -
Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »this ? is being way overblown
and i find the things he's said in the past about mike brown to be more disturbing
just think the push back comes from this recent idea that he and other men giving women the okay to be “natural” or to have stretch marks is liberating for women ....
nice, requesting an afro or some stretch marks, but he is still asking women to please his gaze
the goal of feminism is to free women from the male gaze and be able to make their own decisions about their own lives...so a man telling women how to present themselves (even if naturally) is a step backwards
not to mention.... to uplift women, it does not require you to tell women how sexy or attractive they are... it's shallow...
and while i love how there are ppl who are trying to broaden our perception of beauty to include cellulite it is becoming a just another way to shame women and pit women against each other
also i believe the ire comes from the irony. the media and artist who are the ones who created/pushed this new big ? plastic surgery craze, now want to critique it....? just a year or two ago kendrick was surrounded by the likes of lira galore and other knifed up video vixens in "king kuta"
maybe I was spoiled by songs like keep your head up, dear mama, U.N.I.T.Y, none of your business, hey mama, ladies first...
he said in an interview his next album is supposed to be for women so hopefully this is a learning experience
No you dumb ? , the goal of feminism is to put women and men on equal footing. The rest of that ? is exactly that; some ? .
You already have the freedom to make your own decisions about your lives. Thing is, you women make those decisions and do ? to yourselves then get asshurt when men don't like the ? you do and somehow find a way to blame us for not feeling good about yourselves because we reject you coming to us with your makeup looking like ? The Clown, your natural hair shaved off and Toph Beifong's hair glued to your scalp, and surgery, body shapers, and assorted other trickery to give your body cartoonish proportions.
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Rozetta5tone wrote: »The biggest problem with feminists. They are pushing the wrong agenda. They are fighting the natural order of things. Even without law and societal structures men and women are still vastly different and will never be equal. We are not reptile, able to switch genders on a whim. We are visual creatures. We look, judge and act. That will never change.
You want respect. Cool. You want workplace equality. Cool. But no woman alive is going to tell me how I should conduct myself as a man. We are a great and numerous species. We have endless choices. Respect is a universal emotion. Don't jump in an arena with a bear and expect a fair fight. Ya ass better train, study and understand your opponent if you expect to win. Feminism is so devisive and it brings out the worst in women.
The current form of feminism is admission by women that they're weaker than men because they expect us to be the ones to change the world to the way they want it because they're unable to do it themselves. -
I don't want a ? that looks like Richard Pryor ewww. Even if fros come back in style it would be a shallow trend and a tool for attention ?
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Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »
the goal of feminism is to free women from the male gaze and be able to make their own decisions about their own lives...so a man telling women how to present themselves (even if naturally) is a step backwards
not to mention.... to uplift women, it does not require you to tell women how sexy or attractive they are... it's shallow...
? what?!?
SMH. No words to exchange with your ? .
If this is what feminism is all about the y'all lost
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