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ThaNubianGod wrote: »
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/north-korea-might-one-weapon-145100496.html
North Korea Might Have One Weapon That America Won't Be Able to Stop
The National Interest • Harry J. Kazianis • 4 hours ago
Bio weapons.
North Korea Might Have One Weapon That America Won't Be Able to Stop
Biological weapons combined with chemical and nuclear weapons attached to long-range missiles would give Kim Jong-un the devastating military tools needed to ? millions of people—and hit the U.S. homeland.Food for thought every time the world’s attention turns to the Korean peninsula.
While the world might be worried about all things North Korea—especially its growing nuclear weapons arsenal—Pyongyang very likely has other nasty weapons of mass destruction that, given the right conditions, could be just as lethal.
What most refer to as biological weapons—stuff right out central casting that always make those ‘end of the world’ movies all so good—might just be North Korea’s real weapon of war to fear.
While they certainly don’t get as much attention as atomic bombs or chemical weapons such as Sarin, biological weapons can ? hundreds of thousands of people, and maybe even millions if deployed over a wide enough area. While exact facts and figures aren’t perfect, there is strong evidence to suggest Pyongyang could possess anthrax weapons as well as possibly cholera, plague and even smallpox. And now that North Korea’s missile arsenal is becoming ever more sophisticated by the day . . . well, you get the idea.
But developing such deadly agents in a controlled lab and deploying them in a war are totally different ball games. To give one a guide on how this could work, a recent report by the RAND corporation lays out the frightening details. And as you will see very quickly, it would not take much to ? thousands and spread mass panic:
“The Republic of Korea Ministry of Defense asserts that “[t]he North may also dare to launch a secret attack in the rear through its SOF [special operations forces] troops armed with biological weapons.” Even a kilogram of many types of biological weapons could disrupt most military targets if delivered properly, and this quantity could easily be delivered by special operations forces. Missiles and aircraft could also deliver this quantity of biological weapons. “Indeed, North Korea special forces are a likely means for delivering North Korean biological weapons. North Korea has some 200,000 special forces, a small fraction of which could deliver devastating biological attacks against South Korea, Japan, and even the United States. North Korea could use biological agents in isolation, perhaps as an escalated provocation in which it seeks to infect a limited number of people, or it could use biological agents as the leading edge of an invasion of the ROK, hoping for thousands or even more infections to weaken the ROK’s defenses and will to fight. Biological weapon use in the latter context is particularly worrisome.”
From there, things could go from bad to worse:
“North Korea could use biological weapons against a variety of military and civilian targets in South Korea. Biological weapons would likely be delivered as an aerosol of some kind that would be dispersed and then carried by the wind. Many people downwind of the release location would be exposed unless they wore some form of protection or were physically located in a place that protected them from exposure. This is particularly true if the attacker creates a line source by spraying, for example, the BW agent while driving along a road perpendicular to the wind. According to one source, 1 kilogram of anthrax could spread lethal effects over 0.2 to 2.6 square kilometers, depending on wind and weather conditions. The nighttime population density of Seoul averages about 20,000 people per square kilometer, meaning that upward of about 50,000 people could be effectively exposed by 1 kilogram of anthrax. But in conditions less favorable to the attacker, including poor atmospheric conditions and many people living in high-rise buildings that lack central heating and ventilation, as few as 2,000 people might be effectively exposed by 1 kilogram of anthrax. Multiple attacks could increase these results.”
Biological weapons combined with chemical and nuclear weapons attached to long-range missiles would give Kim Jong-un the devastating military tools needed to ? millions of people—and hit the U.S. homeland. Food for thought every time the world’s attention turns to the Korean peninsula. -
ThaNubianGod wrote: »
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Gotta be autocorrect -
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/north-korea-trump-war-kim-jong-un-latest-news-updates-hail-of-fire-statement-a7995271.html?amp
North Korea says Trump has 'lit the wick of war' and that it is ready to 'settle the final score with a hail of fire'
Many members of Congress have criticised Mr Trump's 'belligerent' rhetoric towards Pyongyang
Alexandra Wilts Washington DC Wednesday 11 October 2017
North Korea's foreign minister has accused President Donald Trump of having "lit the wick of a war" between his country and the US, saying that America would be made to pay with a "hail of fire".
Tensions between the US and North Korea have intensified in recent months as the Trump administration has struggled to rein in Kim Jong-un's expanding nuclear and ballistic weapons programme alongside international allies. The words of Ri Yong ? are the latest episode of increasingly hostile barbs being traded between Mr Trump and the regime in Pyongyang.
Russia's TASS news agency quoted Mr Ri as saying: "With his bellicose and insane statement at the United Nations, Trump, you can say, has lit the wick of a war against us."
"We need to settle the final score, only with a hail of fire, not words," he reportedly added.
During an address to the United Nations General Assembly in September, Mr Trump declared that the US would "totally destroy North Korea" if forced to defend itself or its allies. The President added that while the US has "great strength and patience," its options for dealing with the isolated nation could soon run out.
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Experts believe that NK's new intercontinental ballistic missile, the Hwasong-15, which it tested yesterday, can go about 8,000 miles.If the Hwasong-15 had been fired on a typical trajectory, analysts believe it would have a maximum range of around 8,000 miles (13,000km) - leaving only South America and a small part of Africa beyond it's reach.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5126087/Trump-says-hell-talking-North-Korea-launch-soon.html
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we should declare war now and simply drop every conventional bomb in the inventory
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I might regret saying this, but I don't think Trump will attack North Korea now. With North Korea's ICBM and their potential to create more of them, Trump can't be THAT crazy to attack NK. Or is he?
DOU put up a good post, there are rumors NK has a big load of biological weapons. And NK can destroy Seoul in minutes if it wants to, I doubt Trump will attack NK now. Unless Trump is more insane then I thought. -
we should declare war now and simply drop every conventional bomb in the inventory
That's gonna destroy the lives of a ton of South Koreans and many Americans will die for sure, thousands are in SK. America still hasn't even beaten the Taliban yet, after 16 damn years. -
kingblaze84 wrote: »
CAN YOU STOP with that ? America destroyed the ? Taliban years ago what you consider winning a war is no social unrest but that's a ? ? assumption SO FOH WITH YOUR ? . they went from being an actual governing regime to a ? terrorist organization their not even a real guerrilla army. Their not even on isis level
As for NK if they are preemptively bombed and I mean heavily their ability to fight back in any relevant way will be almost zero. THEIR ? soldiers and large portions of their populace would surrender if give the chance. but yes lots of people will die but the current situation cannot go on for another 40 years -
kingblaze84 wrote: »
CAN YOU STOP with that ? America destroyed the ? Taliban years ago what you consider winning a war is no social unrest but that's a ? ? assumption SO FOH WITH YOUR ? . they went from being an actual governing regime to a ? terrorist organization their not even a real guerrilla army. Their not even on isis level
As for NK if they are preemptively bombed and I mean heavily their ability to fight back in any relevant way will be almost zero. THEIR ? soldiers and large portions of their populace would surrender if give the chance. but yes lots of people will die but the current situation cannot go on for another 40 years
LOL you're naïve as hell, the Taliban control about 45% of Afghanistan right now, read the news. America has been in Afghanistan fighting for over 16 years and still hasn't crushed the Taliban. Afghanistan's govt has gone bankrupt constantly fighting the Taliban, and everyone knows the Taliban has more weapons then the weak ass Afghan govt.
ISIS hasn't been fully defeated either lol, they have quite a bit of land in the Phillipines, Libya, parts of Africa and ? knows where else. Trump's own advisors are telling him to not bomb NK, that says a lot. This isn't a video game, this is real life. America lost 50,000 plus soldiers the last time it went to war in North Korea, you think Americans have the stomach for ? like that now? America can't even take care of the many soldiers who need care lol........ -
kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »
CAN YOU STOP with that ? America destroyed the ? Taliban years ago what you consider winning a war is no social unrest but that's a ? ? assumption SO FOH WITH YOUR ? . they went from being an actual governing regime to a ? terrorist organization their not even a real guerrilla army. Their not even on isis level
As for NK if they are preemptively bombed and I mean heavily their ability to fight back in any relevant way will be almost zero. THEIR ? soldiers and large portions of their populace would surrender if give the chance. but yes lots of people will die but the current situation cannot go on for another 40 years
LOL you're naïve as hell, the Taliban control about 45% of Afghanistan right now, read the news. America has been in Afghanistan fighting for over 16 years and still hasn't crushed the Taliban. Afghanistan's govt has gone bankrupt constantly fighting the Taliban, and everyone knows the Taliban has more weapons then the weak ass Afghan govt.
ISIS hasn't been fully defeated either lol, they have quite a bit of land in the Phillipines, Libya, parts of Africa and ? knows where else. Trump's own advisors are telling him to not bomb NK, that says a lot. This isn't a video game, this is real life. America lost 50,000 plus soldiers the last time it went to war in North Korea, you think Americans have the stomach for ? like that now? America can't even take care of the many soldiers who need care lol........
In The last Korean war china was responsible for there being a stalemate unless china helps again NK CANNOT sustain a war against America and south Korea. NK can barely feed their people and THE soldiers are so malnourished that they have pounds of parasites in their bodies...did you read that on the ? news?? I did. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=vouOMzksYfk
BUT OF COURSE trumps advisors are going to council against war any war over there would mean many south Korean or possibly Japanese civilian causalities which could be a ? disaster for Korea and japan AND NO ONE REALLY WANTS war but it is inevitable because we cannot go on another 40 years like this.
the Taliban does not control 45% of Afghanistan I have read the reports that make that claim and it's exaggerated. The official government reports claims that only 11% of the country is under Taliban influence today and the areas where they maintain a presence are basically empty, you understand?? most of that % has extremely low population numbers. ISIS IS BASICALLY DONE AS governing state , they are basically just a terrorist organization now with no central command. -
kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »
CAN YOU STOP with that ? America destroyed the ? Taliban years ago what you consider winning a war is no social unrest but that's a ? ? assumption SO FOH WITH YOUR ? . they went from being an actual governing regime to a ? terrorist organization their not even a real guerrilla army. Their not even on isis level
As for NK if they are preemptively bombed and I mean heavily their ability to fight back in any relevant way will be almost zero. THEIR ? soldiers and large portions of their populace would surrender if give the chance. but yes lots of people will die but the current situation cannot go on for another 40 years
LOL you're naïve as hell, the Taliban control about 45% of Afghanistan right now, read the news. America has been in Afghanistan fighting for over 16 years and still hasn't crushed the Taliban. Afghanistan's govt has gone bankrupt constantly fighting the Taliban, and everyone knows the Taliban has more weapons then the weak ass Afghan govt.
ISIS hasn't been fully defeated either lol, they have quite a bit of land in the Phillipines, Libya, parts of Africa and ? knows where else. Trump's own advisors are telling him to not bomb NK, that says a lot. This isn't a video game, this is real life. America lost 50,000 plus soldiers the last time it went to war in North Korea, you think Americans have the stomach for ? like that now? America can't even take care of the many soldiers who need care lol........
I actually work with a guy from Afghanistan he was a translator for the US Military and I can definitely tell you the Taliban doesn't control anywhere close to 45% of the country. The government isn't strong in Afghanistan because they are a tribal warlike people, they have been in a perpetual state of war with someone(or each other) for like 1000 years. The Taliban are still there but they don't control 45% of the country. -
kingblaze84 wrote: »I might regret saying this, but I don't think Trump will attack North Korea now. With North Korea's ICBM and their potential to create more of them, Trump can't be THAT crazy to attack NK. Or is he?
DOU put up a good post, there are rumors NK has a big load of biological weapons. And NK can destroy Seoul in minutes if it wants to, I doubt Trump will attack NK now. Unless Trump is more insane then I thought.
I think he might be that crazy. Def. wouldn't put it past him. -
kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »
CAN YOU STOP with that ? America destroyed the ? Taliban years ago what you consider winning a war is no social unrest but that's a ? ? assumption SO FOH WITH YOUR ? . they went from being an actual governing regime to a ? terrorist organization their not even a real guerrilla army. Their not even on isis level
As for NK if they are preemptively bombed and I mean heavily their ability to fight back in any relevant way will be almost zero. THEIR ? soldiers and large portions of their populace would surrender if give the chance. but yes lots of people will die but the current situation cannot go on for another 40 years
LOL you're naïve as hell, the Taliban control about 45% of Afghanistan right now, read the news. America has been in Afghanistan fighting for over 16 years and still hasn't crushed the Taliban. Afghanistan's govt has gone bankrupt constantly fighting the Taliban, and everyone knows the Taliban has more weapons then the weak ass Afghan govt.
ISIS hasn't been fully defeated either lol, they have quite a bit of land in the Phillipines, Libya, parts of Africa and ? knows where else. Trump's own advisors are telling him to not bomb NK, that says a lot. This isn't a video game, this is real life. America lost 50,000 plus soldiers the last time it went to war in North Korea, you think Americans have the stomach for ? like that now? America can't even take care of the many soldiers who need care lol........
In The last Korean war china was responsible for there being a stalemate unless china helps again NK CANNOT sustain a war against America and south Korea. NK can barely feed their people and THE soldiers are so malnourished that they have pounds of parasites in their bodies...did you read that on the ? news?? I did. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=vouOMzksYfk
BUT OF COURSE trumps advisors are going to council against war any war over there would mean many south Korean or possibly Japanese civilian causalities which could be a ? disaster for Korea and japan AND NO ONE REALLY WANTS war but it is inevitable because we cannot go on another 40 years like this.
the Taliban does not control 45% of Afghanistan I have read the reports that make that claim and it's exaggerated. The official government reports claims that only 11% of the country is under Taliban influence today and the areas where they maintain a presence are basically empty, you understand?? most of that % has extremely low population numbers. ISIS IS BASICALLY DONE AS governing state , they are basically just a terrorist organization now with no central command.
I've seen sources that say the Taliban controls at least 40% of the nation in some kind of form, the NY Times has a map of Taliban control and their reach is massive
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/08/23/world/asia/afghanistan-us-taliban-isis-control.html
Anyway, America is still dealing with ISIS and the Taliban after all these years, a war with NK would be an even worse catastrophe. Trump's advisors know damn well America doesn't have the stomach for another failed and disastrous war. Nothing good would come of a war with NK, NOTHING. -
dallas' 4 eva wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »
CAN YOU STOP with that ? America destroyed the ? Taliban years ago what you consider winning a war is no social unrest but that's a ? ? assumption SO FOH WITH YOUR ? . they went from being an actual governing regime to a ? terrorist organization their not even a real guerrilla army. Their not even on isis level
As for NK if they are preemptively bombed and I mean heavily their ability to fight back in any relevant way will be almost zero. THEIR ? soldiers and large portions of their populace would surrender if give the chance. but yes lots of people will die but the current situation cannot go on for another 40 years
LOL you're naïve as hell, the Taliban control about 45% of Afghanistan right now, read the news. America has been in Afghanistan fighting for over 16 years and still hasn't crushed the Taliban. Afghanistan's govt has gone bankrupt constantly fighting the Taliban, and everyone knows the Taliban has more weapons then the weak ass Afghan govt.
ISIS hasn't been fully defeated either lol, they have quite a bit of land in the Phillipines, Libya, parts of Africa and ? knows where else. Trump's own advisors are telling him to not bomb NK, that says a lot. This isn't a video game, this is real life. America lost 50,000 plus soldiers the last time it went to war in North Korea, you think Americans have the stomach for ? like that now? America can't even take care of the many soldiers who need care lol........
I actually work with a guy from Afghanistan he was a translator for the US Military and I can definitely tell you the Taliban doesn't control anywhere close to 45% of the country. The government isn't strong in Afghanistan because they are a tribal warlike people, they have been in a perpetual state of war with someone(or each other) for like 1000 years. The Taliban are still there but they don't control 45% of the country.
https://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2017/05/taliban-controls-or-contests-40-percent-of-afghan-districts-sigar.php
Taliban controls or contests 40 percent of Afghan districts: SIGAR
--Afghanistan's govt is pretty much bankrupt and they cannot keep up the war themselves without outside help, even after 16 pathetic years. The Taliban has the momentum in Afghanistan and without American help, Afganistan's govt would collapse almost overnight. I can only imagine how much more of a disaster a war against NK would be. America has been fighting in Iraq for more then 13 years, and we all see what a disaster Iraq is now.
A war with NK would be beyond tragic and wasteful, even more then the useless Afghan war. -
Undefeatable wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »I might regret saying this, but I don't think Trump will attack North Korea now. With North Korea's ICBM and their potential to create more of them, Trump can't be THAT crazy to attack NK. Or is he?
DOU put up a good post, there are rumors NK has a big load of biological weapons. And NK can destroy Seoul in minutes if it wants to, I doubt Trump will attack NK now. Unless Trump is more insane then I thought.
I think he might be that crazy. Def. wouldn't put it past him.
Now that's a scary thought..... -
two quick things:kingblaze84 wrote: »LOL you're naïve as hell, the Taliban control about 45% of Afghanistan right now, read the news. America has been in Afghanistan fighting for over 16 years and still hasn't crushed the Taliban. Afghanistan's govt has gone bankrupt constantly fighting the Taliban, and everyone knows the Taliban has more weapons then the weak ass Afghan govt.
01. his point is that the Taliban went from running the entire nation as its legitimate government to what they are now. current state of affairs aside, when they defended against the US as a conventional military, they got smashed. the NK situation is likely getting compared to that because if the regime was to fall in a war, that'd be in. some debate that, i suppose. also:
02. the Afghan government is a failure of post-war planning/nation-building/etc, not a failure to destroy the Taliban. i grant you it lingers so this seems like hair-splitting, but still.
no... but this seems like a convenient reading of how those lives were lost.kingblaze84 wrote: »America lost 50,000 plus soldiers the last time it went to war in North Korea, you think Americans have the stomach for ? like that now? -
two quick things:kingblaze84 wrote: »LOL you're naïve as hell, the Taliban control about 45% of Afghanistan right now, read the news. America has been in Afghanistan fighting for over 16 years and still hasn't crushed the Taliban. Afghanistan's govt has gone bankrupt constantly fighting the Taliban, and everyone knows the Taliban has more weapons then the weak ass Afghan govt.
01. his point is that the Taliban went from running the entire nation as its legitimate government to what they are now. current state of affairs aside, when they defended against the US as a conventional military, they got smashed. the NK situation is likely getting compared to that because if the regime was to fall in a war, that'd be in. some debate that, i suppose. also:
02. the Afghan government is a failure of post-war planning/nation-building/etc, not a failure to destroy the Taliban. i grant you it lingers so this seems like hair-splitting, but still.
no... but this seems like a convenient reading of how those lives were lost.kingblaze84 wrote: »America lost 50,000 plus soldiers the last time it went to war in North Korea, you think Americans have the stomach for ? like that now?
Afghanistan's government is helpless and weak after 16 plus years, and their failure to destroy the Taliban is a HUGE reason they are a failed government. They can't make peace with them either and for some reason, the Taliban still have a lot of recruits willing to join them. A war with NK would be much worse because NK has more advanced weaponry then the Taliban and I'm willing to bet China and Russia would aid NK again, just like last time.
I do know Chinese involvement (with Russian aid) are the main reasons America lost so many troops in the last Korean War, but Russia isn't exactly friendly with the USA now. They would aid NK again. China would likely do the same again if North Korean civilians are being blown up and instability breaks out. -
i remember seeing somewhere that china will attack whoever starts the war first .
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China only supports North Korea because they don't want to have an American Military ally so close to their border. But I don't think they really like having a nuclear-armed North Korea nor do they like the bad attention their support of nk is beginning to draw towards them. So China is
Eventually going to have to choose.
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The Taliban is similar to Farc in Colombia. These kinds of organizations don't die they have to be slowly strangled over a long period of time.
Or eventually changed legitimized. The days of Isis however are clearly coming to an end, their membership is international so once they can't hold territory they will devolve into a terrorist organization. -
The aftermath of a potential successful war with North Korea is not comparable with the aftermath of the initial American Conquest of Afghanistan. North Korea is Korean, South Korea is Korean what we would be doing after a war with nk would be Uniting a people, not trying to build a new state but just adding onto an already existing one. Plus South Korea is very rich.
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The aftermath of a potential successful war with North Korea is not comparable with the aftermath of the initial American Conquest of Afghanistan. North Korea is Korean, South Korea is Korean what we would be doing after a war with nk would be Uniting a people, not trying to build a new state but just adding onto an already existing one. Plus South Korea is very rich.
LOL, NK would be in ruins, and SK would ALSO be in ruins in any war. Just like Iraq and Afghanistan are in ruins now. Same for Libya, which is so chaotic now slaves are being sold in open markets.
I have zero faith in US military improving any situation there. -
kingblaze84 wrote: »The aftermath of a potential successful war with North Korea is not comparable with the aftermath of the initial American Conquest of Afghanistan. North Korea is Korean, South Korea is Korean what we would be doing after a war with nk would be Uniting a people, not trying to build a new state but just adding onto an already existing one. Plus South Korea is very rich.
LOL, NK would be in ruins, and SK would ALSO be in ruins in any war. Just like Iraq and Afghanistan are in ruins now. Same for Libya, which is so chaotic now slaves are being sold in open markets.
I have zero faith in US military improving any situation there.
I said a successful war.... you over estimate NK. A MILITARY can have all the slave soldiers it wants but if it cannot feed or supply them they won't be able to fight. Any potential war in korea would be very different to the afgan war because to begin with Nk is a normal military ONCE that is destroyed it's basically over for them. as I don't see the NK military devolving into guerrilla fighters.
if not for china AMERICA probably would have destroyed NK a long time ago. It does not surprise me that you don't have faith in the us military because you don't have faith in anything
