Double Standard? Bull ? Ellen Degeneres Takes Heat for ‘Sexualizing’ Katy Perry’s Big Gropefruits

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  • atribecalledgabi
    atribecalledgabi Members, Moderators Posts: 14,063 Regulator
    deadeye wrote: »
    MsSouthern wrote: »
    All these men in here telling everyone how a woman feels when her good friend makes a comment about her having nice ?

    Hilarious

    lol




    Too many people in this thread are being willfully ignorant.



    Either that or they're genuinely ignorant.........or they're just trolling.



    The thread premise has nothing to do with the relationship between Ellen and Katy Perry.



    It's really not even about them at all.



    The tweet that featured them was just used as an example to illustrate how women are given a pass for behavior that men would be admonished for.



    I honestly don't understand how this is even debatable.

    The context is literally the beginning and end of the discussion tho. Who you say something to and where is what makes a comment ok or not.
  • LUClEN
    LUClEN Members Posts: 20,559 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Umm it's sexualizing when it's unwanted.

    It's always sexualizing. The act of sexualizing starts in the mind of the perpetrator, not the target. Being unwanted is just what leads to the blowout.
  • Shizlansky
    Shizlansky Members Posts: 35,095 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MsSouthern wrote: »
    All these men in here telling everyone how a woman feels when her good friend makes a comment about her having nice ?

    Hilarious

    lol

    Well damn. This makes sense
  • Huey_C
    Huey_C Members Posts: 3,539 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2017
    Yea there's no argument here if both chicks are close friends, people are just trolling to prove a point. This is the wrong example to try and make a point.
  • Will Munny
    Will Munny Members Posts: 30,199 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Will Munny wrote: »
    MsSouthern wrote: »
    All these men in here telling everyone how a woman feels when her good friend makes a comment about her having nice ?

    Hilarious

    lol

    Where do you draw the line tho? If she made a comment about her bleached ? would it be okay?

    You need to walk into a women's bathroom/locker room sometime...or a house that has only women living in it. Kick it with some female athletes. Women are gross. We are debauched. We have terrible conversations that have no limits.

    Oh I’m well aware conversations about bleached ? are real.
  • konceptjones
    konceptjones Guests, Members, Writer, Content Producer Posts: 13,139 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2017
    deadeye wrote: »
    MsSouthern wrote: »
    All these men in here telling everyone how a woman feels when her good friend makes a comment about her having nice ?

    Hilarious

    lol




    Too many people in this thread are being willfully ignorant.



    Either that or they're genuinely ignorant.........or they're just trolling.



    The thread premise has nothing to do with the relationship between Ellen and Katy Perry.



    It's really not even about them at all.



    The tweet that featured them was just used as an example to illustrate how women are given a pass for behavior that men would be admonished for.



    I honestly don't understand how this is even debatable.

    precisely.
  • Shizlansky
    Shizlansky Members Posts: 35,095 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ? complaining about double standards

    And

    Want to live the double standard life style.




    Stop crying ? .
  • MsSouthern
    MsSouthern Members, Moderators Posts: 21,791 Regulator
    edited October 2017
    deadeye wrote: »
    MsSouthern wrote: »
    All these men in here telling everyone how a woman feels when her good friend makes a comment about her having nice ?

    Hilarious

    lol




    Too many people in this thread are being willfully ignorant.



    Either that or they're genuinely ignorant.........or they're just trolling.



    The thread premise has nothing to do with the relationship between Ellen and Katy Perry.



    It's really not even about them at all.



    The tweet that featured them was just used as an example to illustrate how women are given a pass for behavior that men would be admonished for.



    I honestly don't understand how this is even debatable.

    https://youtu.be/Ii4ZxQh-HfQ


    ?

    Look what Jimmy Kimmel just did to George Clooney !!! As you can see Clooney is visibly upset at what his good friend did to him

    Where is the fake outrage ????



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  • Huey_C
    Huey_C Members Posts: 3,539 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Y'all sound like a bunch of cacs failing to understand the context of a situation. This Ellen ? is the wrong example to use!
  • Broddie
    Broddie Members Posts: 11,750 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Some really obtuse people on this board.
  • The Lonious Monk
    The Lonious Monk Members Posts: 26,258 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Shizlansky wrote: »
    MsSouthern wrote: »
    All these men in here telling everyone how a woman feels when her good friend makes a comment about her having nice ?

    Hilarious

    lol

    Well damn. This makes sense

    No it doesn't. How Perry feels is irrelevant. Again if Ellen was a man and Katie was his friend doing this, feminists would still throw a fit. The discussion here is not about Perry's feelings. It's about how people react to certain circumstances when its a man doing it vs a woman doing it. Every woman in this topic so far has basically just contributed an illogical deflection, all because they don't want to admit that sometimes they are on the wrong side of double standards.
  • LUClEN
    LUClEN Members Posts: 20,559 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't get how there's so much disagreement. The fact that who says something affects how it is viewed and interpreted is exactly the reason why Black folks don't want other groups using slurs they use to refer to themselves
  • The Lonious Monk
    The Lonious Monk Members Posts: 26,258 ✭✭✭✭✭
    LUClEN wrote: »
    I don't get how there's so much disagreement. The fact that who says something affects how it is viewed and interpreted is exactly the reason why Black folks don't want other groups using slurs they use to refer to themselves

    Same reason whites always ? when you bring a fact like that up. They just can't admit when they're wrong.
  • MsSouthern
    MsSouthern Members, Moderators Posts: 21,791 Regulator
    This thread is about this situation


    Give one that is actually comparable to the point y'all are trying to make
  • Rasta.
    Rasta. Members Posts: 9,342 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Shizlansky wrote: »
    MsSouthern wrote: »
    All these men in here telling everyone how a woman feels when her good friend makes a comment about her having nice ?

    Hilarious

    lol

    Well damn. This makes sense

    No it doesn't. How Perry feels is irrelevant. Again if Ellen was a man and Katie was his friend doing this, feminists would still throw a fit. The discussion here is not about Perry's feelings. It's about how people react to certain circumstances when its a man doing it vs a woman doing it. Every woman in this topic so far has basically just contributed an illogical deflection, all because they don't want to admit that sometimes they are on the wrong side of double standards.

    Sarcasm bruh
  • The Lonious Monk
    The Lonious Monk Members Posts: 26,258 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Rasta. wrote: »
    Shizlansky wrote: »
    MsSouthern wrote: »
    All these men in here telling everyone how a woman feels when her good friend makes a comment about her having nice ?

    Hilarious

    lol

    Well damn. This makes sense

    No it doesn't. How Perry feels is irrelevant. Again if Ellen was a man and Katie was his friend doing this, feminists would still throw a fit. The discussion here is not about Perry's feelings. It's about how people react to certain circumstances when its a man doing it vs a woman doing it. Every woman in this topic so far has basically just contributed an illogical deflection, all because they don't want to admit that sometimes they are on the wrong side of double standards.

    Sarcasm bruh

    Are you sure because he damn sure Nosigned me, which suggests he believes what he said.
  • Shizlansky
    Shizlansky Members Posts: 35,095 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Rasta. wrote: »
    Shizlansky wrote: »
    MsSouthern wrote: »
    All these men in here telling everyone how a woman feels when her good friend makes a comment about her having nice ?

    Hilarious

    lol

    Well damn. This makes sense

    No it doesn't. How Perry feels is irrelevant. Again if Ellen was a man and Katie was his friend doing this, feminists would still throw a fit. The discussion here is not about Perry's feelings. It's about how people react to certain circumstances when its a man doing it vs a woman doing it. Every woman in this topic so far has basically just contributed an illogical deflection, all because they don't want to admit that sometimes they are on the wrong side of double standards.

    Sarcasm bruh

    Are you sure because he damn sure Nosigned me, which suggests he believes what he said.

    A friend can call a friend whatever they want.

    It’s not up to you to feel bad for them.
  • The Lonious Monk
    The Lonious Monk Members Posts: 26,258 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Shizlansky wrote: »
    Rasta. wrote: »
    Shizlansky wrote: »
    MsSouthern wrote: »
    All these men in here telling everyone how a woman feels when her good friend makes a comment about her having nice ?

    Hilarious

    lol

    Well damn. This makes sense

    No it doesn't. How Perry feels is irrelevant. Again if Ellen was a man and Katie was his friend doing this, feminists would still throw a fit. The discussion here is not about Perry's feelings. It's about how people react to certain circumstances when its a man doing it vs a woman doing it. Every woman in this topic so far has basically just contributed an illogical deflection, all because they don't want to admit that sometimes they are on the wrong side of double standards.

    Sarcasm bruh

    Are you sure because he damn sure Nosigned me, which suggests he believes what he said.

    A friend can call a friend whatever they want.

    It’s not up to you to feel bad for them.

    You are like these chicks in that you're completely missing the point that's being discussed here. Nobody gives a ? about how Ellen or Katie feels.
  • Shizlansky
    Shizlansky Members Posts: 35,095 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Shizlansky wrote: »
    Rasta. wrote: »
    Shizlansky wrote: »
    MsSouthern wrote: »
    All these men in here telling everyone how a woman feels when her good friend makes a comment about her having nice ?

    Hilarious

    lol

    Well damn. This makes sense

    No it doesn't. How Perry feels is irrelevant. Again if Ellen was a man and Katie was his friend doing this, feminists would still throw a fit. The discussion here is not about Perry's feelings. It's about how people react to certain circumstances when its a man doing it vs a woman doing it. Every woman in this topic so far has basically just contributed an illogical deflection, all because they don't want to admit that sometimes they are on the wrong side of double standards.

    Sarcasm bruh

    Are you sure because he damn sure Nosigned me, which suggests he believes what he said.

    A friend can call a friend whatever they want.

    It’s not up to you to feel bad for them.

    You are like these chicks in that you're completely missing the point that's being discussed here. Nobody gives a ? about how Ellen or Katie feels.

    I like double standards. That’s all ima say.

  • TheGOAT
    TheGOAT Guests, Members, Writer, Content Producer Posts: 15,916 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This thread shouldnt be 7pages long

    Yall in here arguin about nothin
  • Madame_CJSkywalker
    Madame_CJSkywalker Members Posts: 940 ✭✭✭✭
    Shizlansky wrote: »
    Rasta. wrote: »
    Shizlansky wrote: »
    MsSouthern wrote: »
    All these men in here telling everyone how a woman feels when her good friend makes a comment about her having nice ?

    Hilarious

    lol

    Well damn. This makes sense

    No it doesn't. How Perry feels is irrelevant. Again if Ellen was a man and Katie was his friend doing this, feminists would still throw a fit. The discussion here is not about Perry's feelings. It's about how people react to certain circumstances when its a man doing it vs a woman doing it. Every woman in this topic so far has basically just contributed an illogical deflection, all because they don't want to admit that sometimes they are on the wrong side of double standards.

    Sarcasm bruh

    Are you sure because he damn sure Nosigned me, which suggests he believes what he said.

    A friend can call a friend whatever they want.

    It’s not up to you to feel bad for them.

    You are like these chicks in that you're completely missing the point that's being discussed here. Nobody gives a ? about how Ellen or Katie feels.


    it was a bad joke from ellen...

    but context does matter...and from what i'm observed comedians do did leeway with the media and general public when they say certain things...same as when women and other minorities do or say offensive or self deprecating things....

    so this idea that any male comedian would have been "destroyed" is kind of disingenuous as well

    ppl like david letterman and jimmy kimmel (i.e. the man show) have said and done much worst but have not suffered much, if at all

    ellen has also has a long history of going out her way to champion women issues and give women praise for their accomplishments and attributes outside the physical

    that said, if ellen were a man with the same track record he wouldn't deserve to loose his career, endorsements either

    and any one who believes that women being viewed in a sexual matter or praised for their physical assets is inherently this great evil is mistaken as well

    but there is a lot of hypocrisy and feelings to go around ...on both sides

    seems like most ppl who do want to see ellen fall are fighting for their right to be ? in peace opposed to being concerned with how women are depicted anyways
  • The Lonious Monk
    The Lonious Monk Members Posts: 26,258 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Shizlansky wrote: »
    Rasta. wrote: »
    Shizlansky wrote: »
    MsSouthern wrote: »
    All these men in here telling everyone how a woman feels when her good friend makes a comment about her having nice ?

    Hilarious

    lol

    Well damn. This makes sense

    No it doesn't. How Perry feels is irrelevant. Again if Ellen was a man and Katie was his friend doing this, feminists would still throw a fit. The discussion here is not about Perry's feelings. It's about how people react to certain circumstances when its a man doing it vs a woman doing it. Every woman in this topic so far has basically just contributed an illogical deflection, all because they don't want to admit that sometimes they are on the wrong side of double standards.

    Sarcasm bruh

    Are you sure because he damn sure Nosigned me, which suggests he believes what he said.

    A friend can call a friend whatever they want.

    It’s not up to you to feel bad for them.

    You are like these chicks in that you're completely missing the point that's being discussed here. Nobody gives a ? about how Ellen or Katie feels.


    it was a bad joke from ellen...

    but context does matter...and from what i'm observed comedians do did leeway with the media and general public when they say certain things...same as when women and other minorities do or say offensive or self deprecating things....

    so this idea that any male comedian would have been "destroyed" is kind of disingenuous as well

    ppl like david letterman and jimmy kimmel (i.e. the man show) have said and done much worst but have not suffered much, if at all

    ellen has also has a long history of going out her way to champion women issues and give women praise for their accomplishments and attributes outside the physical

    that said, if ellen were a man with the same track record he wouldn't deserve to loose his career, endorsements either

    and any one who believes that women being viewed in a sexual matter or praised for their physical assets is inherently this great evil is mistaken as well

    but there is a lot of hypocrisy and feelings to go around ...on both sides

    seems like most ppl who do want to see ellen fall are fighting for their right to be ? in peace opposed to being concerned with how women are depicted anyways

    The comedian angle is a fair point.
  • gorilla
    gorilla Members Posts: 1,889 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • atribecalledgabi
    atribecalledgabi Members, Moderators Posts: 14,063 Regulator
    Why are we acting like "nice ? " is so damning tho? It's not like a slur was used or something crazy controversial was said.

    Didn't megyn kelly just get blasted for talking about Jane Fonda's fake ? a couple weeks ago? Context matters.
  • The Lonious Monk
    The Lonious Monk Members Posts: 26,258 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Why are we acting like "nice ? " is so damning tho? It's not like a slur was used or something crazy controversial was said.

    Didn't megyn kelly just get blasted for talking about Jane Fonda's fake ? a couple weeks ago? Context matters.

    lol Most of us don't think "nice ? " is bad, that said there aren't too many contexts where we can make that comment in public and not come off looking bad.