Obama wants to take away our guns. These are the Bills
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musicology1985 wrote: »So why are these bills being associated with his administration. Is he pushing for this?
No. You have a group who sets it up and proposes it to him. Nothing has been sent in for vote or anything yet. The president has nothing to do with these when they first come out, when they make it to congress to get voted on, then you know the Pres has pushed it. -
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You guys are missing the point. If the government believes that only the military is allowed to have guns, what happens if they decide to enforce it? Think about the ramifications of a de-armed country. And they are planning to enforce it very soon.
lmfao @ this
"de-armed country"
man these tea party redneck go to sleep praying to Reagan that Obama just orders the military to confiscate all guns or something -
Alright, I just checked the popular Conservative websites.
If threadstarter wasn't bullshittin, the news about these bills would be dominating these websites. They'd be going berserk.
Instead: nothing.
Please explain, threadstarter. -
Swiffness! wrote: »Alright, I just checked the popular Conservative websites.
If threadstarter wasn't bullshittin, the news about these bills would be dominating these websites. They'd be going berserk.
Instead: nothing.
Please explain, threadstarter.
Those are actual bills, but there isn't anything even remotely close pointing toward the president even allowing them to go to congress for voting as a matter of fact, I'm sure they have already been to congress and never got passed.
HR 1022 was shot down March or April of 2007 - wasn't even Obamas term lol
HR 257 I believe just got put into legislation to get voted on whether it's worthy of going into general debate.
HR 45 Was deaded in 09 -
Here are the links to the bills
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-1022 Bill 1022
Bill 257 http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-257
Can't find 45 on their website ? must have been deaded from the start -
Obviously you are not that Swift. This country goes berserk over nothing anymore. Our "war" is ended yet their are still 50k troops left with even more private contractors (soldiers) there as well. We are getting ready to attack Iran and Pakistan and send more soldiers into war. Again. Let's see how we react.
And before anyone says that this Conspiracy Theory all you have to do is read between the lines. Last week in the paper they said AGAIN that Bin Laden is being hid by the Iranian govt. All the "proof" they need to attack Iran and get the oil and lithium.
The CIA has admitted that they faked the Bin Laden video. Yet the country cared less. Give Americans their plasmas, their Facebook (even though all Facebook posts are stored in the Library of Congress) their fantasy football, their NBA, porn, fast food, reality TV and their privacy and they don't care or won't complain about ? . Especially Black people. But we will definitely BLAME someone when ish hits the fan. WE are good at that. -
Obviously you are not that Swift. This country goes berserk over nothing anymore. Our "war" is ended yet their are still 50k troops left with even more private contractors (soldiers) there as well. We are getting ready to attack Iran and Pakistan and send more soldiers into war. Again. Let's see how we react.
And before anyone says that this Conspiracy Theory all you have to do is read between the lines. Last week in the paper they said AGAIN that Bin Laden is being hid by the Iranian govt. All the "proof" they need to attack Iran and get the oil and lithium.
The CIA has admitted that they faked the Bin Laden video. Yet the country cared less. Give Americans their plasmas, their Facebook (even though all Facebook posts are stored in the Library of Congress) their fantasy football, their NBA, porn, fast food, reality TV and their privacy and they don't care or won't complain about ? . Especially Black people. But we will definitely BLAME someone when ish hits the fan. WE are good at that.
LMFAO Proof? Dude the more and more you post the less and less I can believe anything you're saying. If the government came out and said they faked that ? it would not be quiet. And Im sure Alex Jones would have had at least 100,000 videos up on it by now. I'm sure their would have been headlines everywhere about it on the internet.
And I have yet to see anything about Iran hiding Bin Laden. -
Keep in mind that this is the same Bin Laden who was treated by American doctors in Dubai and visited by the CIA when he was in the hospital. Yet we are going to use him to start another war and continue to pay his family millions to stay quiet. The Bin Laden family owns so much of our bonds that it would put a hurting on our already fragile economy if they sold their bonds. The same Bin Laden family that has been close friends of the Bushes since the 70s. The same Bin Laden family that lives near Langley, the CIA headquarters. The same Bin Laden who has repeatedly said he had nothing to do with the planning of 9/11.
Yeah, we still go berserk over things. Except for nothing that matters. And the people that do take a stand are passed off as nuts, kooks, far liberals, Neo-Cons, ? , birthers or whatever ad hominem label we can assign to them to discredit them. Amazing to watch all of this unfold. Especially as Barack's ratings sink to George Bush levels. Almost to the point that only a "catastrophe" can save him and get him re-elected. Sound familiar? -
Keep in mind that this is the same Bin Laden who was treated by American doctors in Dubai and visited by the CIA when he was in the hospital. Yet we are going to use him to start another war and continue to pay his family millions to stay quiet. The Bin Laden family owns so much of our bonds that it would put a hurting on our already fragile economy if they sold their bonds. The same Bin Laden family that has been close friends of the Bushes since the 70s. The same Bin Laden family that lives near Langley, the CIA headquarters. The same Bin Laden who has repeatedly said he had nothing to do with the planning of 9/11.
Yeah, we still go berserk over things. Except for nothing that matters. And the people that do take a stand are passed off as nuts, kooks, far liberals, Neo-Cons, ? , birthers or whatever ad hominem label we can assign to them to discredit them. Amazing to watch all of this unfold. Especially as Barack's ratings sink to George Bush levels. Almost to the point that only a "catastrophe" can save him and get him re-elected. Sound familiar?
Bin Laden has said he did it, in multiple videos, not just US videos. But I forgot "Well well the CIA gave Will Smith plastic surgery to make him look like Bin Laden I have proof of this that I won't show you!"
And yeaaaaaa A catastrophe really got Bush re-elected. Bush got slammed for 9-11 and Katrina -
@ ChozenWun
Their you go again spouting off your opinion. A quick search of Google turns up 100s of "Iran hiding Bin Laden" and the articles go back 5 years. The most recent was last week. And I rarely listen to Alex Jones but he even he has video of the CIA admitting they faked the Bin Laden tapes. I can search for it if you like. And AGAIN a quick search on Google will show you the fake Bin Laden videos where it is CLEARLY a different guy.
I don't always trust Google especially when a name and number are not attached but in this instance, Google is your friend. -
@ ChozenWun
Their you go again spouting off your opinion. A quick search of Google turns up 100s of "Iran hiding Bin Laden" and the articles go back 5 years. The most recent was last week. And I rarely listen to Alex Jones but he even he has video of the CIA admitting they faked the Bin Laden tapes. I can search for it if you like. And AGAIN a quick search on Google will show you the fake Bin Laden videos where it is CLEARLY a different guy.
I don't always trust Google especially when a name and number are not attached but in this instance, Google is your friend.
If you got this proof of the government saying it post it. -
A physchological test to own guns? Don't you get it. They can make anyone they want pass or fail, or make the parameters absolutley absurd.
I don't give a ? about politics. But I think gun laws are ? . -
@ The Chozen Wun.
You are clearly revising history. Bush was considered a buffoon before 9/11 and his ratings were in the toilet as people were STILL ? that he/they stole the election. He was roasted everywhere by comedians and the general public. 9/11 came along and the country was in a frenzy. His Speech right after 9/11 (we're gonna smoke them out) had people on his side for a short period. They were praising "his leadership" and "his conviction" and his belief that ? was on his side. His ratings went up for a short period. Without 9/11 he would NEVER have gotten re-elected. Stop revising history. Katrina was in his second term.
Now I will stop going back and forth because of what Confucius says happens when you argue with an idiot. -
Amen Wil Munny.
Excellent post. I don't own a gun BUT I can see deeper than the basic premise of the gun laws. Same as a cop planting evidence on someone is the same as making whoever they want pass or fail. You become almost helpless as it's your word against theirs. Good luck -
@ The Chozen Wun.
You are clearly revising history. Bush was considered a buffoon before 9/11 and his ratings were in the toilet as people were STILL ? that he/they stole the election. He was roasted everywhere by comedians and the general public. 9/11 came along and the country was in a frenzy. His Speech right after 9/11 (we're gonna smoke them out) had people on his side for a short period. They were praising "his leadership" and "his conviction" and his belief that ? was on his side. His ratings went up for a short period. Without 9/11 he would NEVER have gotten re-elected. Stop revising history. Katrina was in his second term.
Now I will stop going back and forth because of what Confucius says happens when you argue with an idiot.
Government sayin tapes false link?????
And no after 9/11 there were still alot of people who hated Bush. They agreed about going to war against Al Queda, but they still hated Bush. He got re-elected because they ? the Ohio voting up. -
Will Munny wrote: »A physchological test to own guns? Don't you get it. They can make anyone they want pass or fail, or make the parameters absolutley absurd.
I don't give a ? about politics. But I think gun laws are ? .
Well the ? was deaded a year and a half ago so it don't have any relevance now. ? was proposed while Bush was still in office. -
ThaChozenWun wrote: »Well the ? was deaded a year and a half ago so it don't have any relevance now. ? was proposed while Bush was still in office.
oh tight... just sayin... -
This country goes berserk over nothing anymore.
I said CONSERVATIVE. CONSERVATIVE websites. Drudge, Free Republic, Red State, BreitBart, etc. They go "OMFG OBAMA" berserk all the time. None of them are worrying about those bills you posted because you posted a couple of expired and irrelevant bills.
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look, i get more emotional about firearms than anyone else on this forum, but here's the thing:
...this is scaremongering exaggeration. these bills were and are garbage, but they neither passed or are in immediate danger of passing.HR 1022 - Allows the Attorney General to ban ANY GUN he wishes AT WILL, whenever he feels like it. AG Eric Holder has argued in court that ONLY the military should be allowed to own guns.
HR257 - Allows the ban of ALL youth shooting sports, including YMCA and Olympic shooting events. Can't have kids growing up knowing how to shoot, now can we?
HR45 - Requires ALL gun owners to undergo psychological tests, screening and registration to keep their guns. Does not matter if you have had your gun for 20 years and it doesn't work OR you wanna buy one next month.
actually, you are: if you want to seriously address gun control legislation, you need to NOT freak out about bills that are not in danger of passing, because it'll make people not listen to you when there's a pertinent bill to address.You guys are missing the point.
two things:First of all MOST americans don't carry guns or keep them in their house. And second , how will limiting gun onwership hurt the economy? you should be more upset that republicans don't want YOU to have free Health Care or vote against extending unemployment benefits for americans but yet want to protect the richest people in the US...
01. what's the basis for this "most Americans" junk?
02. you can be in favor of your gun rights and worry about health care. in fact, if you care about the former, it's important to express it so that the guys that are pushing for your health care don't forget that it's not ONLY Republicans that care about gun rights.
three things:jermfrassoutt wrote: »by time i hit 21(nov 2011) i betta b able to get my 12 gauge and my ar 15...along with my p90..thas allllll that matters so they culd switch up da gun laws all they want...i want my guns
01. you don't need to be 21 to purchase a 12-gauge shotgun, and depending on the state you live in, you might not need to be 21 to purchase ANY of those long guns;
02. the civilian version of the p90 is not worth the money you'll spend on it (or the ammunition);
03. if you EVER want to own guns, "let me get mine and then who cares" is a counter-productive attitude to have
this. i personally belong to many gun-rights organizations. i am promptly and immediately notified multiple times every time there's something ominous mentioned. they are not talking about those bills.Swiffness! wrote: »I said CONSERVATIVE. CONSERVATIVE websites. Drudge, Free Republic, Red State, BreitBart, etc. They go "OMFG OBAMA" berserk all the time. None of them are worrying about those bills you posted because you posted a couple of expired and irrelevant bills.
this might explain the situation.Amen Wil Munny.
Excellent post. I don't own a gun-- -
Did you know that books of The Federal Reserve have NEVER been audited?
Did you know that there is no election process for The Federal Reserve?
Did you know that the Federal Reserve, even though it is not a federal office, is above Congress and all government? Alan Greenspan even said so on tv. He specifically stated The Fed is above Congress, is not regulated by Congress and therefore above Congress.
Did you know that 95% of all Federal Taxes goes directly to The Federal Reserve, into the pockets of the bankers? Not for roads, schools, health, etc. Only State taxes goes toward those things.
Once again, all of this is verifiable.
damn this reeks of conspiracy theory nonsense -
2012 alias?
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Sorry I can't help but myself. I have to post on this topic again. This just gets more and more frustrating.
@ HeySlick
You either work for the Fed or you took those words directly from the Federal Reserves handouts.
Every single president or Congressman that try to do away with the Fed met an untimely death soon after. Kennedy tried to end the privately owned Federal Reserve (see HR 11110). Lincoln tried to end the Federal Reserve and was killed soon after. You guys are going to scream CT but this is fact. Lee Harvey Oswald was a low level CIA operative paid $200 a month, incl room and board.
Yes, Congress did istitute the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 to prevent banking panic. Panics that THEY created. They could not get Congress initially to go along with a Central Bank. (Why would they when we fought to free ourselves from England and their Central Bank and it's taxes?) So JP Morgan started a rumor that the Bank of Manhattan was insolvent knowing that that would start a panic. It did. Then they called in all Margin Loans, which had to be paid immediately. Smaller banks couldn't pay these loans immediately.(This allowed JP and his coterie to pick up banks and corporations for pennies on the dollar.) I won't go into depth on this board because most don't know or understand Margin Calls/Loans. People panicked en masse like JP Morgan, Warburg, Pincus and others knew they would. Then they used Congressman Nelson Aldrich (whose daughter married John Rockefeller) to strong arm Woodrow Wilson. Woodrow Wilson agreed to pass legislation creating The Fed if they promised to make him president. (Wilson later bitterly regretted his role in creating The Federal Reserve) Senator Louis McFadden opposed the Federal Reserve and brought legislation to end it. 3 times an attempt was made on his life. He was successfully poisoned the 3rd time.
THEN they recalled ALL GOLD under threat of imprisonment. If you were found to be stashing gold, you were subject to up to 10 years in prison. Once the gold standard was removed, our dollar was backed by absolutely nothing. Before our money was worth it's weight in gold. Now it is backed by legal tender, or perception. Kennedy sought to change that and go back to precious metals backing our dollar. If that was allowed to happen then The Federal Reserve would not be allowed to contract and expand the money AT WILL. If they can't control the $$, then they can't make insane amounts of money.
HeySlick - Do you understand Fractional Banking? How banks can create money out of virtually thin air? Backed by absolutely nothing? You CANT DO THAT if your dollar is backed by gold or silver and you can't stack massive profits.
HeySlick - Why do the same families that controlled the banks and The Fed back then still do? When they contract money or credit, banks and businesses lose their value instantly. Why then do they snap up those banks and corporations for pennies then? Have you studied the people who run our finances? It is a revolving door between people from The Fed, Goldman Sachs and the US Treasury. They go back and forth for years. A guy makes tens of millions at Goldman Sachs to run the Treasury for $300,000 or less? Why? To ensure the status quo? To set or influence policy that benefits the bankers? After their terms they go right back to running The Fed or the banks at Goldman Sachs, etc? This is not CT. This is plain and simple to anyone who can read a resume of the people in these positions.
Sorry about this as I know I have lost 98% of the board. Maybe I should attach a pic of a big ? ? to go with this. -
@ HeySlick
You STILL never addressed where 95% of our Federal Taxes go.
It goes to the bankers. The $ that we bust our butt all year for. The money that we threatened with imprisonment if we don't pay. Even though there is NO LEGAL RULE that requires us to pay taxes. You can't find one and neither can the courts. So they enforce it with fear. And they go after big names to perpetuate that fear. -
Executive Order 11110
On June 4, 1963, a virtually unknown Presidential decree, Executive Order 11110, was signed with the authority to basically strip the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the United States Federal Government at interest. With the stroke of a pen, President Kennedy declared that the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank would soon be out of business. The Christian Law Fellowship has exhaustively researched this matter through the Federal Register and Library of Congress. We can now safely conclude that this Executive Order has never been repealed, amended, or superceded by any subsequent Executive Order. In simple terms, it is still valid.
When President John Fitzgerald Kennedy - the author of Profiles in Courage -signed this Order, it returned to the federal government, specifically the Treasury Department, the Constitutional power to create and issue currency -money - without going through the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank. President Kennedy's Executive Order 11110 [the full text is displayed further below] gave the Treasury Department the explicit authority: "to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury." This means that for every ounce of silver in the U.S. Treasury's vault, the government could introduce new money into circulation based on the silver bullion physically held there. As a result, more than $4 billion in United States Notes were brought into circulation in $2 and $5 denominations. $10 and $20 United States Notes were never circulated but were being printed by the Treasury Department when Kennedy was assassinated. It appears obvious that President Kennedy knew the Federal Reserve Notes being used as the purported legal currency were contrary to the Constitution of the United States of America.
"United States Notes" were issued as an interest-free and debt-free currency backed by silver reserves in the U.S. Treasury. We compared a "Federal Reserve Note" issued from the private central bank of the United States (the Federal Reserve Bank a/k/a Federal Reserve System), with a "United States Note" from the U.S. Treasury issued by President Kennedy's Executive Order. They almost look alike, except one says "Federal Reserve Note" on the top while the other says "United States Note". Also, the Federal Reserve Note has a green seal and serial number while the United States Note has a red seal and serial number.
President Kennedy was assassinated on November 22, 1963 and the United States Notes he had issued were immediately taken out of circulation. Federal Reserve Notes continued to serve as the legal currency of the nation. According to the United States Secret Service, 99% of all U.S. paper "currency" circulating in 1999 are Federal Reserve Notes.
Kennedy knew that if the silver-backed United States Notes were widely circulated, they would have eliminated the demand for Federal Reserve Notes. This is a very simple matter of economics. The USN was backed by silver and the FRN was not backed by anything of intrinsic value. Executive Order 11110 should have prevented the national debt from reaching its current level (virtually all of the nearly $9 trillion in federal debt has been created since 1963) if LBJ or any subsequent President were to enforce it. It would have almost immediately given the U.S. Government the ability to repay its debt without going to the private Federal Reserve Banks and being charged interest to create new "money". Executive Order 11110 gave the U.S.A. the ability to, once again, create its own money backed by silver and realm value worth something.
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