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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/23/north-korea-attacks-south-korea_n_787294.html
SEOUL, South Korea — North Korea shot dozens of rounds of artillery onto a populated South Korean island near their disputed western border Tuesday, military officials said, setting buildings on fire and prompting South Korea to return fire and scramble fighter jets.
The skirmish came amid tension over North Korea's claim that it has a new uranium enrichment facility and just over a month after North Korean leader Kim Jong Il unveiled his youngest son Kim Jong Un as his heir apparent
South Korea's YTN television said two people were injured, several houses were on fire and shells were still falling on Yeonpyeong island. The station broadcast pictures of thick columns of black smoke rising from the island.
Yonhap news agency, quoting a military official, said four soldiers were wounded. President Lee Myung-bak ordered officials to make sure that the firing wouldn't escalate, according to Yonhap, quoting a presidential official. YTN said between 1,200 and 1,300 people live on the island, citing an island resident.
A South Korean Joint Chiefs of Staff official said dozens of rounds of artillery landed on the island and in the sea. The official says South Korea fired back. The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of JCS rules, said South Korea's military is on alert. He had no other details, and could not confirm the reports of casualties.
The firing comes amid tension over North Korea's claim that it has a new uranium enrichment facility and just over a month after North Korean leader Kim Jong Il unveiled his youngest son Kim Jong Un as his heir apparent.
Tensions between the two Koreas also remain tense after the sinking in March of a South Korean warship in which 46 sailors died. Seoul has blamed a North Korean torpedo, while Pyongyang has denied any responsibility.
The countries' western maritime boundary has long been a flash point between the two Koreas. The North does not recognize the border that was unilaterally drawn by the United Nations at the close of the 1950-53 Korean War.
North and South Korea have fought three ? skirmishes near the maritime border in recent years, most recently in November 2009.
Damn......further updates to come
**Prays America doesn't get involved in this ? **
SEOUL, South Korea — North Korea shot dozens of rounds of artillery onto a populated South Korean island near their disputed western border Tuesday, military officials said, setting buildings on fire and prompting South Korea to return fire and scramble fighter jets.
The skirmish came amid tension over North Korea's claim that it has a new uranium enrichment facility and just over a month after North Korean leader Kim Jong Il unveiled his youngest son Kim Jong Un as his heir apparent
South Korea's YTN television said two people were injured, several houses were on fire and shells were still falling on Yeonpyeong island. The station broadcast pictures of thick columns of black smoke rising from the island.
Yonhap news agency, quoting a military official, said four soldiers were wounded. President Lee Myung-bak ordered officials to make sure that the firing wouldn't escalate, according to Yonhap, quoting a presidential official. YTN said between 1,200 and 1,300 people live on the island, citing an island resident.
A South Korean Joint Chiefs of Staff official said dozens of rounds of artillery landed on the island and in the sea. The official says South Korea fired back. The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of JCS rules, said South Korea's military is on alert. He had no other details, and could not confirm the reports of casualties.
The firing comes amid tension over North Korea's claim that it has a new uranium enrichment facility and just over a month after North Korean leader Kim Jong Il unveiled his youngest son Kim Jong Un as his heir apparent.
Tensions between the two Koreas also remain tense after the sinking in March of a South Korean warship in which 46 sailors died. Seoul has blamed a North Korean torpedo, while Pyongyang has denied any responsibility.
The countries' western maritime boundary has long been a flash point between the two Koreas. The North does not recognize the border that was unilaterally drawn by the United Nations at the close of the 1950-53 Korean War.
North and South Korea have fought three ? skirmishes near the maritime border in recent years, most recently in November 2009.
Damn......further updates to come
**Prays America doesn't get involved in this ? **
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Man, if we get involved it's gonna be some ? up ? going on. We can't fight this ? .
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Asia is a very volatile place right now. In the future we could see a regional war erupting out of Asia and eventually turning into something international.. Theres just too many power houses there. Japan,China,India,Pakistan, and of course South and North Korea. Living in a multi-polar world is extremely dangerous
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One thing America does not want to get involved in now, is a cold war with China. We already owe China trillions of dollars, 2.7 trillion worth. Let's hope South Korea can fight their own battles, cuz America is going bankrupt as it is fighting all the time.
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wonderful!
< a doom & gloomer -
Ioniz3dSPIRITZ wrote: »Asia is a very volatile place right now. In the future we could see a regional war erupting out of Asia and eventually turning into something international.. Theres just too many power houses there. Japan,China,India,Pakistan, and of course South and North Korea. Living in a multi-polar world is extremely dangerous
Don't forget Israel, Palestine, and Iran. -
Where the ? are my nukes?
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1) If you think North Korea could launch a war against the South without the U.S getting involved, you're nuts. The U.S is more involved in South Korea's national security than they are in Israel's. The U.S fought a war and lost 50,000 troops for South Korea. The U.S has about 40,000 troops in South Korea and like another 100,000 in Japan. North Korean propaganda paints the U.S as their "REAL" enemy. Even when the U.S gives them food, the N.K gov't claims its a tribute paid by America because they're soooo scared of the mighty Kim Jong Il. This is true lol.
2) If you think China wants North Korea to launch a war against the South, you're trippin. China is about that paper, ? . Like Riley said, "War is bad for business". China makes far more trade dollars from South Korea's dynamic economy than they do from the North's ghetto ass.
3) Many smart people believe that the North can't afford a war, period. As in: can't afford the fuel for their jets and tanks. As in: can't afford bullets. North Korea can barely keep their army from starving by most accounts. That's why they like these little skirmishes like sinking a ship or firing artillery at a small island. They're cheap.
For my money, I'll bet that this is happening because of Kim Jong Un being named his dad's successor. -
your ideas are excellent and i would like to subscribe to your newsletterSwiffness! wrote: »1) If you think North Korea could launch a war against the South without the U.S getting involved, you're nuts. The U.S is more involved in South Korea's national security than they are in Israel's. The U.S fought a war and lost 50,000 troops for South Korea. The U.S has about 40,000 troops in South Korea and like another 100,000 in Japan. North Korean propaganda paints the U.S as their "REAL" enemy. Even when the U.S gives them food, the N.K gov't claims its a tribute paid by America because they're soooo scared of the mighty Kim Jong Il. This is true lol.
2) If you think China wants North Korea to launch a war against the South, you're trippin. China is about that paper, ? . Like Riley said, "War is bad for business". China makes far more trade dollars from South Korea's dynamic economy than they do from the North's ghetto ass.
3) Many smart people believe that the North can't afford a war, period. As in: can't afford the fuel for their jets and tanks. As in: can't afford bullets. North Korea can barely keep their army from starving by most accounts. That's why they like these little skirmishes like sinking a ship or firing artillery at a small island. They're cheap.
For my money, I'll bet that this is happening because of Kim Jong Un being named his dad's successor. -
North is bound to fail. Beside the fact that they can't feed there people let alone their troops The South has a better economy, more allies and accessibility to weapons, and for what i have to bet a better army.
Oh and the South returned fire with it's K9 Thunder and F-16 fighter Jets
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/11/howitzers-blast-jets-readied-after-north-korea-shells-south/ -
? mayne.....................
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Swiffness! wrote: »1) If you think North Korea could launch a war against the South without the U.S getting involved, you're nuts. The U.S is more involved in South Korea's national security than they are in Israel's. The U.S fought a war and lost 50,000 troops for South Korea. The U.S has about 40,000 troops in South Korea and like another 100,000 in Japan. North Korean propaganda paints the U.S as their "REAL" enemy. Even when the U.S gives them food, the N.K gov't claims its a tribute paid by America because they're soooo scared of the mighty Kim Jong Il. This is true lol.
2) If you think China wants North Korea to launch a war against the South, you're trippin. China is about that paper, ? . Like Riley said, "War is bad for business". China makes far more trade dollars from South Korea's dynamic economy than they do from the North's ghetto ass.
3) Many smart people believe that the North can't afford a war, period. As in: can't afford the fuel for their jets and tanks. As in: can't afford bullets. North Korea can barely keep their army from starving by most accounts. That's why they like these little skirmishes like sinking a ship or firing artillery at a small island. They're cheap.
For my money, I'll bet that this is happening because of Kim Jong Un being named his dad's successor.
Yeah, very good points. But why does North Korea always risk its ass like this? They know America and South Korea can blow it out the sky any moment. -
your ideas are excellent and i would like to subscribe to your newsletter
LMAO!
but yeah, germany was broke after ww1, many people were poor as ? and people couldn't afford ? . Being broke doesn't mean you cannot enter war, it all depends on what and or how you depent on while getting the arms etc(the value/costs can differ) -
kingblaze84 wrote: »Yeah, very good points. But why does North Korea always risk its ass like this? They know America and South Korea can blow it out the sky any moment.
The US would never blow up or take on North Korea for vey similair reasons why they didn't took on East Germany.
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The US would never blow up or take on North Korea for vey similair reasons why they didn't took on East Germany.
at least thats my guess.
East Germany was occupied by the Soviet Union after WW2, and the Russians were a solid part of the Allied victory in WW2, so of course the USA couldn't attack it.
China has close ties with North Korea, and America has very close ties with China, so I guess you are right. It's no coincidence South Korea is taking these ambushes from NK so mildly. North Korea killed 46 South Korean soldiers about 2 months ago, and South Korea still pussied out lol. I personally think fear of China is the main reason America and North Korea don't want to escalate this.
NO ONE would win in a conflict like that, not even China. -
it's all posturing; this is why people are attributing it to the current succession issueskingblaze84 wrote: »Yeah, very good points. But why does North Korea always risk its ass like this? They know America and South Korea can blow it out the sky any moment. -
kingblaze84 wrote: »NO ONE would win in a conflict like that, not even China.
Bingo. All the major players interests are best served by the Status Quo. That's why any realistic "North invades South" scenario has to assume that A) The North Korean leadership truly loses its ? and basically decides to dive off a cliff, or
North Korea comes so close to collapse and implosion that the leadership panics and launches a war as a desperate ploy to rally their citizens or something. And of course, A and B aren't mutually exclusive.
A real interesting question is what would drive North Korea to the brink of collapse. You'd think that a famine caused by government mismanagement that kills MILLIONS would be enough..... -
Swiffness! wrote: »Bingo. All the major players interests are best served by the Status Quo. That's why any realistic "North invades South" scenario has to assume that A) The North Korean leadership truly loses its ? and basically decides to dive off a cliff, or North Korea comes so close to collapse and implosion that the leadership panics and launches a war as a desperate ploy to rally their citizens or something. And of course, A and B aren't mutually exclusive.
A real interesting question is what would drive North Korea to the brink of collapse. You'd think that a famine caused by government mismanagement that kills MILLIONS would be enough.....
One would think this too, but not North Korea's leadership
In a way though, North Korea is kind of having the last laugh because they are making South Korea look like a bunch of ? . North Korea is a country in deep trouble obviously, but at least they can show their citizens that they got some measure of power in the peninsula. They shouldn't push their luck though, SK just might go ape ? if NK keeps this up. -
Is there anyone here who thinks South Korea should go Jackie Chan on North Korea?
North Korea has killed 50 South Korean citizens this year alone......DAMN. -
The South and Seoul would be Crushed. The NK have almost 10,000 pieces of artillery aimed at Seoul that dont want it trust me.
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The south started this ? ! They are goin to get their ? handed to them. -
North Korea’s nuclear belligerency was almost exclusively a creation of the U.S. government in that they armed the Stalinist state both directly and indirectly through global arms dealers under their control, namely Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan. While labeling North Korea as part of the “axis of evil,” the U.S. government was enthusiastically funding its nuclear weapons program at every stage.
Both the Clinton and Bush administrations played a key role in helping Kim Jong-Il develop North Korea’s nuclear prowess from the mid 1990’s onwards.
Just as with Saddam Hussein’s chemical and biological weapons program, it was Donald Rumsfeld who played a key role in arming Kim-Jong-Il.
Rumsfeld was man who presided over a $200 million dollar contract to deliver equipment and services to build two light water reactor stations in North Korea in January 2000 when he was an executive director of ABB (Asea Brown Boveri). Wolfram Eberhardt, a spokesman for ABB confirmed that Rumsfeld was at nearly all the board meetings during his involvement with the company.
Rumsfeld was merely picking up the baton from the Clinton administration, who in 1994 agreed to replace North Korea’s domestically built nuclear reactors with light water nuclear reactors. So-called government-funded ‘experts’ claimed that light water reactors couldn’t be used to make bombs. Not so according to Henry Sokolski, head of the Non-proliferation Policy Education Center in Washington, who stated, “LWRs could be used to produce dozens of bombs’ worth of weapons-grade plutonium in both North Korea and Iran. This is true of all LWRs — a depressing fact U.S. policymakers have managed to block out.”
“These reactors are like all reactors, they have the potential to make weapons. So you might end up supplying the worst nuclear violator with the means to acquire the very weapons we’re trying to prevent it acquiring,” said Sokolski.
The U.S. State Department claimed that the light water reactors could not be used to produce bomb grade material and yet in 2002 urged Russia to end its nuclear co-operation with Iran for the reason that it didn’t want Iran armed with weapons of mass destruction. At the time, Russia was building light water reactors in Iran. According to the State Department, light water reactors in Iran can produce nuclear material but somehow the same rule doesn’t apply in North Korea.In April 2002, the Bush administration announced that it would release $95 million of American taxpayer’s dollars to begin construction of the ‘harmless’ light water reactors in North Korea. Bush argued that arming the megalomaniac dictator Kim Jong-Il with the potential to produce a hundred nukes a year was, “vital to the national security interests of the United States.” Bush released even more money in January 2003, as was reported by Bloomberg News.
Bush released the funds despite the startling revelation, reported by South Korean newspapers, that a North Korean missile warhead had been found in Alaska.
Construction of the reactors was eventually suspended, but North Korea had an alternative source through which they could obtain the nuclear secrets vital to building an atom bomb arsenal – CIA asset and international arms smuggler AQ Khan. -
to who, though? most everyone understands that North Korea is ? nuts and South Korea is showing restraint; North Korea will portray South Korea as pussified no matter what.kingblaze84 wrote: »In a way though, North Korea is kind of having the last laugh because they are making South Korea look like a bunch of ? .
uh... no. North Korea's numbers are about quantity, not quality; it's easy to talk about all your artillery if you're going to count absolutely any decades-old piece of trash you can scrounge up. on the flip side, the air/naval forces of South Korea are easily superior.louis the great wrote: »The South and Seoul would be Crushed. The NK have almost 10,000 pieces of artillery aimed at Seoul that dont want it trust me.
this is not 100% accurate, but to be clear, ? MacArthurDidn't one of Americas infamous Generals get fired for wanting to invade china while we were fighting the Korean War? -
Sarah Palin told US TV US had to stand by "our North Korean allies"....this broad is a nut.
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louis the great wrote: »
The south started this ? ! They are goin to get their ? handed to them.
Wow, the South did start this ? . SMH at the south starting problems since 1861 -
HeySlick, Janklow was referring to MacArthur's desire to nuke Chinese cities and start World War 3.
So he's right. ? MacArthur.
McCrystal got the sack for dissing French Ambassadors and Joe Biden to Rolling Stone. Imagine if he was saying we should nuke and invade Iran on Fox News.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O33sfN00oDk