Sex With Jewish Girl Costs Arab Man 18 Months in Israeli Jail

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The Prime Minister
The Prime Minister Members Posts: 2,883 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited July 2010 in The Social Lounge
I don't understand how these people get a pass on EVERYTHING.

I fully support a move to cut these ? off.
In Israel, an Arab man has been sentenced to 18 months for '? by deception'. Sabbar Kashur tricked a woman into having sex with him, by claiming to be Jewish. He plans to appeal the decision. And as RT's Paula Slier reports, even couples who choose to have interfaith relationships face hostility.

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  • And Step
    And Step Members Posts: 3,726 ✭✭✭
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    Wild part is, you got prostitutes, porno, ? parades, free sex all over Israel yet they want to make an example of the Arab. They want pick and choose which precepts of the book to follow.

    .smh.............................
  • northside7
    northside7 Members Posts: 25,739 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I don't understand how these people get a pass on EVERYTHING.

    I fully support a move to cut these ? off.

    States aren't going to do that but they do get away with a lot.

    And Step wrote: »
    Wild part is, you got prostitutes, porno, ? parades, free sex all over Israel yet they want to make an example of the Arab. They want pick and choose which precepts of the book to follow.

    .smh.............................

    Right here.......
    Where is your content, and why is this thread not closed?

    I had a whole paragraph of original content, in mines, and it got closed...you have two sentences and that's fine

    ...hmmmm...

    Are you white?
  • KLICHE
    KLICHE Members Posts: 5,061 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Sad ? . If they were both consenting, and obviously adults, why should anyone else say if it is right or wrong. Maybe over there they could just follow suit, and start ? each other, express their love like these 2 did, instead of the hatred for one another. I'm NOT joking by the way. The two involved obviously didn't care about centuries old ? .
  • Swiffness!
    Swiffness! Members Posts: 10,128 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    strange, liberal Israelis seem to think this is racism

    i guess they're anti-semitic


    He Impersonated A Human

    Sabbar Kashur wanted to be a person, a person like everybody else. But as luck would have it, he was born Palestinian.


    It happens. His chances of being accepted as a human being in Israel are nil. Married and a father of two, he wanted to work in Jerusalem, his city, and maybe also have an affair or a quickie on the side. That happens too.

    He knew that he had no chance with the Jews, so he adopted another name for himself, Dudu. He didn't have curly hair, but he went by Dudu just the same. That's how everyone knew him. That's how you know a few other Arabs too: the car-wash guy you call Rafi, the stairwell cleaner who goes by Yossi, the supermarket deliveryman you know as Moshe.

    What's wrong? Is it only fearsome Shin Bet interrogators like "Capt. George" and "Abu Faraj" who are allowed to adopt names from other peoples? Are only Israelis who emigrate allowed to invent new identities? Only the Yossi from Hadera who became Joe in Miami, the Avraham from Bat Yam who became Abe in Los Angeles?

    No longer a youth, Sabbar/Dudu worked as a deliveryman for a lawyer's office, rode his scooter around Jerusalem and delivered documents, affidavits and sworn testimonies, swearing to everyone that he was Dudu. Two years ago he met a woman by chance. Nice to meet you, my name is Dudu. He claims that she came on to him, but let's leave the details aside. Soon enough they went where they went and what happened happened, all by consent of the parties concerned. One fine day, a month and a half after an afternoon quickie, he was summoned to the police on suspicion of ? .

    His temporary lover discovered that her Dudu wasn't a Dudu after all, that the Jew is (gasp!) an Arab, and so she filed a complaint against the impostor. Her body was violated by an Arab. From then on Kashur was placed under house arrest for two years, an electronic cuff on his ankle. This week his sentence was pronounced: 18 months in jail.

    Judge Zvi Segal waxed dramatic to the point of absurdity: "It is incumbent on the court to protect the public interest from sophisticated, smooth, sweet-talking offenders who can mislead naive victims into paying an unbearable price: the sanctity of their bodies and souls." Sophisticated offenders? It is doubtful that Dudu even knew he was one. Sweet talk? He says that even his wife calls him Dudu.

    The court relied, as usual, on precedents: the man who posed as a senior Housing Ministry official and promised his lover an apartment and an increased National Insurance pension, and the man who posed as a wealthy neurosurgeon who promised free medical care and other perks. Dudu had nothing to offer but his good name, Dudu, and still his fate was sealed, just like those who promise apartments and perks. Not only fraud, but ? , almost like the convicted serial ? Benny Sela.

    Supreme Court Justice Elyakim Rubinstein had, after all, defined the test of conviction for ? on "false pretenses": "if in the view of an ordinary person this woman would have agreed to have sexual relations with a man who did not have the identity he invented."

    In tune with the public, Kashur's judges assumed, rightly, that the woman would not have gotten into bed with Dudu were it not for the identity he invented. She also might not have gotten into bed with him if he had told her in vain that he was available, that he was younger than he really is or even that he is madly in love with her. But people are not prosecuted for that, certainly not on ? charges.

    Now the respected judges have to be asked: If the man was really Dudu posing as Sabbar, a Jew pretending to be an Arab so he could sleep with an Arab woman, would he then be convicted of ? ? And do the eminent judges understand the social and racist meaning of their florid verdict? Don't they realize that their verdict has the uncomfortable smell of racial purity, of "don't touch our daughters"? That it expresses the yearning of the extensive segments of society that would like to ban sexual relations between Arabs and Jews?

    It was no coincidence that this verdict attracted the attention of foreign correspondents in Israel, temporary visitors who see every blemish. Yes, in German or Afrikaans this disgraceful verdict would have sounded much worse.

    http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/he-impersonated-a-human-1.303359
  • Swiffness!
    Swiffness! Members Posts: 10,128 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    A point which is rarely mentioned in the coverage of the "? by deception" case - either by Israeli or foreign media - is that the case started out as a regular ? case. The woman claimed she was forcibly ? by Kashour. Once on the stand, however, the defense demolished her story and she admitted she lied and that they had consensual sex. She admitted that after learning Kashour lied to her, she felt humiliated and went to the police. It was at that point the prosecution came up with the plea bargain. A normal court would have just acquitted Kashour, but this court decided to convict.

    Several further points:

    1. If the woman had told the true story to the police in the first place, there would have been no trial, not to mention any conviction.

    2. Kashour has no earlier convictions. In another "? by deception"" case, which involved a lesbian masquerading as a man in order to have sex with women, (LOL) she received only six months of suspended sentence. Kashour got 18 months of incarceration.

    3. One of the three judges is Moshe Drori, who was embroiled in a scandal last year, when he refused to convict a very well connected yeshiva boy who admitted - and was filmed - running over a security guard with his vehicle. The security guard was an Ethiopian woman. Drori, a Jewish Orthodox, forced the guard to accept the apology of the yeshiva boy, and then invoked a judgment by 12th century scholar Maimonides (I ? you not), which says once an apology is accepted by the victim, the case is closed. And he closed the case. He is apparently a Maimonidas affectionado. The case was overturned in the Supreme Court, and this schtick cost Drori his chance at becoming a Supreme Court justice. Let's say that a non-Jew masquerading as a Jew won't stand much of a chance in the court of Judge Drori.

    ^^^ - DAYUM. Well there you go, mystery solved.....

    http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/07/? -by-deception-ctd.html
  • one_manshow
    one_manshow Members Posts: 4,591 ✭✭✭✭
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    This has been on going for years....what else is new?
  • DarcSkies777
    DarcSkies777 Members Posts: 5,600 ✭✭✭
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    The woman claimed she was forcibly ? by Kashour. Once on the stand, however, the defense demolished her story and she admitted she lied and that they had consensual sex. She admitted that after learning Kashour lied to her, she felt humiliated and went to the police.
    ? aint ? in every culture I guess.

    And as for the verdict and sentence itself...I'm absolutely shocked that Jews are racist. Just shocked.
  • AlexKKKeller
    AlexKKKeller Members Posts: 7
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    Lmao, that sucks.
    Cat just wanted some ? and financial prosperity