Congo-Kinshasa: New Evidence Shows U.S. Role in Congo’s Decision to Send Patrice Lumu
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Hyde Parke wrote: »
they did more than just stand by and watch it unfold, for months they plotted to ? this man by poisoning his toothpaste, provided funding to Mobutu to strengthen his military and stage his coup, who captured Lumumba and turned him over to Katanga authorities, they were in close contact with Belgian officials prior to, during and after his execution, and were well aware of him impending death..."stood by and watched it unfold." is an understatement to say the very least.
Well the UN provided protection to him before during his arrest, and when asked for their protection again, the direct order came from New York to deny his request, stating he (Lumumba) was no longer their responsibility. Have you read the Church Report? If not, I would strongly suggest you do, it provides all of the declassified cables/documents of the CIA's involvement....We can go back and forth on the simplicities of who pulled the trigger, but again, you dont have to actually pull the trigger to be implicated in a murder, if you really believe otherwise, and cannot open your mind to the possibility, then there is nothing left to be said.
the threats were never materialized, the belgians had being present in congo for about 100 years and definitely know about the terrain more than the CIA(how much help could they give to the belgian secret services?)
lumumba ceased being the UN responsibility when he ESCAPED from their protection. did lumumba think he could outsmart mobutu and somehow regain power?
the US had no problem with his death but lumumba wouldn't have being killed if the belgians didn't give the signal. heck his golden teeth was taking as a price by one of the belgian officers who witness the destruction his body.
quick question, who backed katanga, belgian or us forces? -
the belgians had being present in congo for about 100 years and definitely know about the terrain more than the CIA(how much help could they give to the belgian secret services?)
that is beside the point. the fact is, the US had the funds to bring such an operation about, and provided much funding to Mobutu for his coup and military forces in order to capture Lumumba.
lumumba ceased being the UN responsibility when he ESCAPED from their protection.
"Escaped" being the key word, he escaped because he feared for his life. This is also documented fact in the Church Report, which is apparent, you havent bothered to read.
the US had no problem with his death but lumumba wouldn't have being killed if the belgians didn't give the signal. heck his golden teeth was taking as a price by one of the belgian officers who witness the destruction his body.
this has nothing to do with anything, and is just random babbling
quick question, who backed katanga, belgian or us forces?
no more questions. Believe what you wish. the information is out there and available to all who seek to understand what really happened. read that report, all 364 pages of it, then come back and discuss this with me. -
that is beside the point. the fact is, the US had the funds to bring such an operation about, and provided much funding to Mobutu for his coup and military forces in order to capture Lumumba.
funding mobutu is one thing, ordering the murder of lumumba is another.
i don't know why it's hard for you guys to understand that. probably due to the assumption that mobutu was a puppet -
that is beside the point. the fact is, the US had the funds to bring such an operation about, and provided much funding to Mobutu for his coup and military forces in order to capture Lumumba.
funding mobutu is one thing, ordering the murder of lumumba is another.
i don't know why it's hard for you guys to understand that. probably due to the assumption that mobutu was a puppet
what you dont seem to get was that it was an orchestration. i dont recall sayin Mobuto was a puppet, I dont know that. Im just speaking on the facts presented.
and the funding and the ordering of his death are mutually exclusive. -
Hyde Parke wrote: »what you dont seem to get was that it was an orchestration. i dont recall sayin Mobuto was a puppet, I dont know that. Im just speaking on the facts presented.
and the funding and the ordering of his death are mutually exclusive.
how was this orchestrated? ok bad joke aside.
what facts do you speak off? to what DEGREE was the us's involvement in the murder of lumumba. -
how was this orchestrated? Ok bad joke aside.
What facts do you speak off? To what degree was the us's involvement in the murder of lumumba.
Read the report.
Seriously, then come back and speak on it. The initial interim report was back in 1975, from there do your research on incoming data from that point up until the latest findings one of which the threadstarter posted.Also, check out Project Wizard. Connect the dots. You have to do this on your own to discover for yourself. -
Here is a piece of information supporting my statement of the funding by CIA, courtesy of Africawithin.
* In August 1960, the CIA established Project Wizard. Congo had been independent only a month, and Lumumba, a passionate nationalist, had become prime minister, with a plurality of seats in the parliament. But U.S. presidential candidate John F. Kennedy was vowing to meet "the communist challenge" and Eisenhower's NSC was worried that Lumumba would tilt toward the Soviets.
The U.S. documents show that over the next few months, the CIA worked with and made payments to eight top Congolese -- including President Kasavubu, Mobutu (then army chief of staff), Foreign Minister Justin Bomboko, top finance aide Albert Ndele, Senate President Joseph Ileo and labor leader Cyrille Adoula -- who all played roles in Lumumba's downfall.
The CIA joined Belgium in a plan, detailed in the Belgian report, for Ileo and Adoula to engineer a no-confidence vote in Lumumba's government, which would be followed by union-led demonstrations, the resignations of cabinet ministers (organized by Ndele) and Kasavubu's dismissal of Lumumba.
* On Sept. 1, the NSC's Special Group authorized CIA payments to Kasavubu, the U.S. documents say. On Sept. 5, Kasavubu fired Lumumba in a decree of dubious legality. However, Kasavubu and his new prime minister, Ileo, proved lethargic over the following week as Lumumba rallied supporters. So Mobutu seized power on Sept. 14. He kept Kasavubu as president and established a temporary "College of Commissioners" to replace the disbanded government.
* The CIA financed the College and influenced the selection of commissioners. The College was dominated by two Project Wizard participants: Bomboko, its president, and Ndele, its vice-president. Another CIA ally, Lumumba party dissident Victor Nendaka, was appointed chief of the security police.
* On Oct. 27, the NSC Special Group approved $250,000 for the CIA to win parliamentary support for a Mobutu government. However, when legislators balked at approving any prime minister other than Lumumba, the parliament remained closed. The CIA money went to Mobutu personally and the commissioners.
* On Nov. 20, the Special Group authorized the CIA to provide arms, ammunition, sabotage materials and training to Mobutu's military in the event it had to resist pro-Lumumba forces.
