lol Lebron took less money and is a team player & people still hating on him?
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Coo Coo Cal's Beanie wrote: »The bulls werent stacked like the Cavs? ROFL. ? Ron Harper averaged 20ppg multiple times. Pippen is top50 and was the best perimeter defender alltime. Your argument is Damon Jones? Out of the NBA. Jamario Moon? The former Harlem Globetrotter? ANthony Parker? Id rather have Candace Parker. JJ Hickson wasnt a vet, he was a 1st round pick they wouldnt trade for Amar'e. Amar'e is an all NBA 2nd team selection this season. You're ? ? .
Scottie was a perennial allstar and ron harper was a proven 20ppg scorer. Lebron didnt have either on his team. That is proven because the franchise fell apart in the same year he left.
RON HARPER http://www.nba.com/playerfile/ron_harper/printable_player_files.html
YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
86-87 CLE 82 82 37.4 .455 .213 .684 2.10 2.70 4.80 4.8 2.55 1.02 4.21 3.00 22.9
87-88 CLE 57 52 32.1 .464 .150 .705 1.10 2.80 3.90 4.9 2.14 .91 2.77 2.80 15.4
88-89 CLE 82 82 34.8 .511 .250 .751 1.50 3.50 5.00 5.3 2.26 .90 2.80 2.70 18.6
89-90 LAC 28 28 39.5 .481 .283 .795 2.00 3.70 5.60 4.8 2.39 1.14 2.93 2.90 23.0
89-90 CLE 7 7 37.4 .442 .200 .756 2.70 4.10 6.90 7.0 2.00 1.29 2.57 3.60 22.0
90-91 LAC 39 34 35.5 .391 .324 .668 1.50 3.30 4.80 5.4 1.69 .90 3.31 2.80 19.6
91-92 LAC 82 82 38.3 .440 .303 .736 1.50 4.00 5.50 5.1 1.85 .88 3.07 2.40 18.2
92-93 LAC 80 77 37.1 .451 .280 .769 1.50 3.90 5.30 4.5 2.21 .91 2.78 2.70 18.0
93-94 LAC 75 75 38.1 .426 .301 .715 1.70 4.40 6.10 4.6 1.92 .72 3.23 2.20 20.1
94-95 CHI 77 53 19.9 .426 .282 .618 .70 1.70 2.30 2.0 1.26 .35 1.30 1.70 6.9
95-96 CHI 80 80 23.6 .467 .269 .705 .90 1.70 2.70 2.6 1.31 .40 .91 1.70 7.4
96-97 CHI 76 74 22.9 .436 .362 .707 .60 1.90 2.50 2.5 1.13 .50 .66 1.80 6.3
97-98 CHI 82 82 27.9 .441 .190 .750 1.30 2.20 3.50 2.9 1.32 .59 1.11 2.20 9.3
98-99 CHI 35 35 31.6 .377 .318 .703 1.40 3.70 5.10 3.3 1.71 1.00 1.86 2.30 11.2
99-00 LAL 80 78 25.5 .399 .311 .680 1.20 3.00 4.20 3.4 1.06 .49 1.65 2.10 7.0
00-01 LAL 47 46 24.2 .469 .264 .708 1.00 2.60 3.50 2.4 .83 .53 1.32 1.50 6.5
Career 1,009 967 30.9 .446 .289 .720 1.30 3.00 4.30 3.9 1.70 .72 2.23 2.30 13.8
Playoff 112 98 26.8 .450 .292 .698 1.10 2.60 3.70 2.7 1.26 .68 1.08 2.20 9.0
WHY THE ? YOU KEEP TALKING ABOUT RON HARPER!? He didn't average that ? with CHICAGO, so what's your ? point!?
Mo Williams
SEASON
08-09 CLE 81 81 35.0 0.467 0.436 0.912 0.6 2.9 3.4 4.1 0.8 0.1 2.21 2.65 17.8
09-10 CLE 69 68 34.2 0.442 0.429 0.894 0.4 2.6 3.0 5.3 1.0 0.3 2.51 2.46 15.8
PLAYOFFS
08-09 CLE 14 14 38.6 0.408 0.372 0.767 0.6 2.6 3.2 4.1 0.7 0.1 2.14 3.07 16.3
ANTAWN JAMISON
SEASON
09-10 CLE 25 23 32.4 0.485 0.342 0.506 1.5 6.2 7.7 1.3 1.1 0.5 1.20 2.68 15.8
PLAYOFFS
09-10 CLE 11 11 34.1 0.467 0.256 0.732 1.5 5.9 7.4 1.3 0.6 1.0 1.64 3.45 15.3
LEBRON JAMES
SEASON
08-09 CLE 81 81 37.7 0.489 0.344 0.780 1.3 6.3 7.6 7.2 1.7 1.2 2.98 1.72 28.4
09-10 CLE 76 76 39.0 0.503 0.333 0.767 0.9 6.4 7.3 8.6 1.6 1.0 3.43 1.57 29.7
PLAYOFFS
08-09 CLE 14 14 41.4 0.510 0.333 0.749 1.4 7.8 9.1 7.3 1.6 0.9 2.71 2.14 35.3
09-10 CLE 11 11 41.8 0.502 0.400 0.733 1.4 7.9 9.3 7.6 1.7 1.8 3.82 2.09 29.1
In LeBron's last CLE year, he gave you 30 a game, Jamison gave you 16 a game, Mo gave you 16 a game. That's just those three. Everybody put in something. They weren't bums.
I didn't mean that ? Hickson was a vet. I went on a separate point. I didn't wanna make another paragraph. The vets referred to Shaq, Jamison...all the old ? .
Amare is a All NBA 2nd team selection as the leader of a sub 500 Knicks team that were assed out with him at the helm. It's kinda like Ron Harper dropping 20 a game in the 80s in Cleveland and LA Clip. -
Coo Coo Cal's Beanie wrote: »also why are u posting ron harper's numbers after jordan returned? LOL ? ur not fooling anybody. He averaged 20ppg 4 times before jordan came out of retirement. You tryna spin ?
I just showed you when. In the ? 80s. You foul, ? . LOL. -
The season before he went to chicago he averaged 20ppg. He completely changed his style of play to fit in with chicago. They didnt even have him starting LMAO. He went to that team to be a defensive stopper. They even had him playing out of position, playing PG.FlightKing wrote: »I just showed you when. In the ? 80s. You foul, ? . LOL. -
Coo Coo Cal's Beanie wrote: »The season before he went to chicago he averaged 20ppg. He completely changed his style of play to fit in with chicago. They didnt even have him starting LMAO. He went to that team to be a defensive stopper. They even had him playing out of position, playing PG.
OOOH...the season BEFORE the season we're discussing. Oh, I see.
They went and got a ? scoring 20 ppg and changed his position and made him a defensive stopper.
So I'ma disregard that you said the Bulls had him and Pip scoring 20+ a game.
And let's just act like you got a point.
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FlightKing wrote: »OOOH...the season BEFORE the season we're discussing. Oh, I see.
They went and got a ? scoring 20 ppg and changed his position and made him a defensive stopper.
So I'ma disregard that you said the Bulls had him and Pip scoring 20+ a game.
And let's just act like you got a point.
I'm done with this.
lol. Somebody ? that ? ' dog and put him out of his misery. Damn. -
greenwood1921 wrote: »lol. Somebody ? that ? ' dog and put him out of his misery. Damn.
Naa, naa, son...lol.
Don't ? my ? Sam. -
this entire thread is based off the premise that people hate lebron b/c of how much money hes making/or not making which isnt true at all people hate him for an entire diff. set of reasons....this thread is dumb
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if someone is droppin at least 18 a game 4 times straight why would his ability fall of dramatically in the following season?FlightKing wrote: »OOOH...the season BEFORE the season we're discussing. Oh, I see.
They went and got a ? scoring 20 ppg and changed his position and made him a defensive stopper.
So I'ma disregard that you said the Bulls had him and Pip scoring 20+ a game.
And let's just act like you got a point.
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Coo Coo Cal's Beanie wrote: »if someone is droppin at least 18 a game 4 times straight why would his ability fall of dramatically in the following season?
I don't know why Ron Harper's ability to drop almost 20 a game disappeared for 4 years after he went from playing with the Cleveland Cavaliers and the Los Angeles Clippers to playing with the World Champion Chicago Bulls who could've used his offense, since the Bulls were ASS at the 5, aight at the 4 and he was the 1. -
LMAO you ? idiot the team only lost 2 less games after losing your lord and savior michael jordan. He came in with a team first mentality and played his role. His ability didnt dropFlightKing wrote: »I don't know why Ron Harper's ability to drop almost 20 a game disappeared for 4 years after he went from playing with the Cleveland Cavaliers and the Los Angeles Clippers to playing with the World Champion Chicago Bulls who could've used his offense, since the Bulls were ASS at the 5, aight at the 4 and he was the 1. -
Coo Coo Cal's Beanie wrote: »LMAO you ? idiot the team only lost 2 less games after losing your lord and savior michael jordan. He came in with a team first mentality and played his role. His ability didnt drop
Because of Ron Harper (with the POTENTIAL ABILITY to score 20 points a game but didn't) helping Scottie Pippen and NOT the Chicago Bull offense being mastered?
You win again.
You killing this Ron Harper ? .
Mike is the GOAT but Kobe is my favorite player and #2 and LeBron is the best in the game as of right now. I'm not hating on LeBron, bruh, but you sure are gobbling on this ? . -
Harper blew his knees out before the bulls. Thats why he wasnt explosive anymore.......
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FlightKing wrote: »Because of Ron Harper (with the POTENTIAL ABILITY to score 20 points a game but didn't) helping Scottie Pippen and NOT the Chicago Bull offense being mastered
You win again.
U
You killing this Ron Harper ? .
Mike is the GOAT but Kobe is my favorite player and #2 and LeBron is the best in the game as of right now. I'm not hating on LeBron, bruh, but you sure are gobbling on this ? .
he been on his knees for a minute now....... -
LOL this isnt about lebron to me. I wasnt even a fan of lebron until he came to my team. I respected him as a basketball player. You on the other hand arent understanding the hypocrisy of this situation. Ron Harper was a scorer that sacrificed numbers to fit in the team system. It never took away from his scoring ability. Obviously they didnt need him to score alot because they only had a 2 win differential from the previous season with Jordan, meaning the team as a whole was good. Lebron's team went into instant rebuilding mode. There is no comparison to the depth of either team. Jordan leaves the team and Pippen is allstar game MVP the next year and 3rd in MVP voting. Lebron leaves cleveland and ends up getting the #1 pick cuz they fell apart.FlightKing wrote: »Because of Ron Harper (with the POTENTIAL ABILITY to score 20 points a game but didn't) helping Scottie Pippen and NOT the Chicago Bull offense being mastered?
You win again.
You killing this Ron Harper ? .
Mike is the GOAT but Kobe is my favorite player and #2 and LeBron is the best in the game as of right now. I'm not hating on LeBron, bruh, but you sure are gobbling on this ? .
LOL he had already blew out his knees and still averaged 20ppg after he returned.Harper blew his knees out before the bulls. Thats why he wasnt explosive anymore....... -
Sports make ? really crazy I see.
1) For all these ? saying "60-win" ? , pull up the stats in 2009 vs. Orlando in the EC Finals and in 2010 vs. Boston.
As many times as I say this, I have still yet to hear an answer: where the ? was LeBron's "team" - Mo Williams, Antwain Jamison, Varejao, Mike Brown offensively-handicapped ass, JJ Hickson. How can a person who watches basketball honestly say LeBron had a squad around him that warranted him to stay after his contract was up, with that "try again" ? ?
2) No matter where he would've went - NY, Chicago, Dallas, LA, or Miami - he still would've caught some ? . So what the ? ?
3) The guy hasn't broke any rules, laws, or got caught up in no ? . He left a team. Really, you emotional-? ? If LeBron was on coke, roids, beat his babby mamma, or smacked a random ? in an airport while still playing for Cleveland, you simple Ohio ? would give him pass after pass after pass. But because he leaves, the world thinks he's the biggest ? in sports? The ? outta here.
Nigs, I'm a Sixer fan. And the Heat beat our ? . But I still respect that dude for doing what HE thought was right. Three more wins, and all this ? is justified. Three more losses, and well....at least he's won a game in the NBA Finals now. Melo, Amar'e, Nash, ? , most of the stars that came into the league since 2000 - not named Dirk or Pau Gasol - can say this ? . -
Truth Writer wrote: »Sports make ? really crazy I see.
1) For all these ? saying "60-win" ? , pull up the stats in 2009 vs. Orlando in the EC Finals and in 2010 vs. Boston.
As many times as I say this, I have still yet to hear an answer: where the ? was LeBron's "team" - Mo Williams, Antwain Jamison, Varejao, Mike Brown offensively-handicapped ass, JJ Hickson. How can a person who watches basketball honestly say LeBron had a squad around him that warranted him to stay after his contract was up, with that "try again" ? ?
2) No matter where he would've went - NY, Chicago, Dallas, LA, or Miami - he still would've caught some ? . So what the ? ?
3) The guy hasn't broke any rules, laws, or got caught up in no ? . He left a team. Really, you emotional-? ? If LeBron was on coke, roids, beat his babby mamma, or smacked a random ? in an airport while still playing for Cleveland, you simple Ohio ? would give him pass after pass after pass. But because he leaves, the world thinks he's the biggest ? in sports? The ? outta here.
Nigs, I'm a Sixer fan. And the Heat beat our ? . But I still respect that dude for doing what HE thought was right. Three more wins, and all this ? is justified. Three more losses, and well....at least he's won a game in the NBA Finals now. Melo, Amar'e, Nash, ? , most of the stars that came into the league since 2000 - not named Dirk or Pau Gasol - can say this ? .
Damn Ether Cosign Bro! -
Truth Writer wrote: »Sports make ? really crazy I see.
1) For all these ? saying "60-win" ? , pull up the stats in 2009 vs. Orlando in the EC Finals and in 2010 vs. Boston.
As many times as I say this, I have still yet to hear an answer: where the ? was LeBron's "team" - Mo Williams, Antwain Jamison, Varejao, Mike Brown offensively-handicapped ass, JJ Hickson. How can a person who watches basketball honestly say LeBron had a squad around him that warranted him to stay after his contract was up, with that "try again" ? ?
2) No matter where he would've went - NY, Chicago, Dallas, LA, or Miami - he still would've caught some ? . So what the ? ?
3) The guy hasn't broke any rules, laws, or got caught up in no ? . He left a team. Really, you emotional-? ? If LeBron was on coke, roids, beat his babby mamma, or smacked a random ? in an airport while still playing for Cleveland, you simple Ohio ? would give him pass after pass after pass. But because he leaves, the world thinks he's the biggest ? in sports? The ? outta here.
Nigs, I'm a Sixer fan. And the Heat beat our ? . But I still respect that dude for doing what HE thought was right. Three more wins, and all this ? is justified. Three more losses, and well....at least he's won a game in the NBA Finals now. Melo, Amar'e, Nash, ? , most of the stars that came into the league since 2000 - not named Dirk or Pau Gasol - can say this ? .
damn. gotta point there.
Im actually one of the few people who have neutral feeling about lebron. Dont hate him, dont love him, just respect his game.
Alot of people feel if you call yourself the chosen one, then you shouldnt try to leave a team, but carry the team you have to the finals like the others.
But this is a business. I think all lebron had to do was let Cleveland know in advance about his decision and maybe throw a going away party downtown and maybe he would only have been partially hated. lol.
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+Truth Writer wrote: »Sports make ? really crazy I see.
1) For all these ? saying "60-win" ? , pull up the stats in 2009 vs. Orlando in the EC Finals and in 2010 vs. Boston.
As many times as I say this, I have still yet to hear an answer: where the ? was LeBron's "team" - Mo Williams, Antwain Jamison, Varejao, Mike Brown offensively-handicapped ass, JJ Hickson. How can a person who watches basketball honestly say LeBron had a squad around him that warranted him to stay after his contract was up, with that "try again" ? ?
2) No matter where he would've went - NY, Chicago, Dallas, LA, or Miami - he still would've caught some ? . So what the ? ?
3) The guy hasn't broke any rules, laws, or got caught up in no ? . He left a team. Really, you emotional-? ? If LeBron was on coke, roids, beat his babby mamma, or smacked a random ? in an airport while still playing for Cleveland, you simple Ohio ? would give him pass after pass after pass. But because he leaves, the world thinks he's the biggest ? in sports? The ? outta here.
Nigs, I'm a Sixer fan. And the Heat beat our ? . But I still respect that dude for doing what HE thought was right. Three more wins, and all this ? is justified. Three more losses, and well....at least he's won a game in the NBA Finals now. Melo, Amar'e, Nash, ? , most of the stars that came into the league since 2000 - not named Dirk or Pau Gasol - can say this ? .
Well, I'll go ahead and give my 2 cents on this.
1) The point is, that the Cavs lost as a team including LeBron - not LeBron did everything and the team did nothing. Orlando and Boston had a plan and destroyed the Cavs. The Cavs players feed off LeBron's assists, doubleteams and they scored a lot of fastbreaks so when that was shut down, they were shutdown. Orlando and Boston were great defensive teams with great offensive minded coaches that knew what the ? they were doing. LeBron got his, of course, but they made sure that the Cavs couldn't break out and do what they normally did. IT'S JUST THAT THEY LOST and LeBron doesn't want to accept the fact that a team with him on it can lose...but it can and it did. Everybody loses.
That Cavs team won the same way it lost, so stop blaming everybody but one ? .
2) No... and the main reason is...
3) It was a ? ? way to go about it. Secret meetings in different locations, with a fleet of vethicles. Publically planned out schedules of interviews with teams, having ? all in the news awaiting to present this ? with a proposal of their roster, plans, location destinations and ? . Getting an hour spot on ESPN to announce where he will sign his next contract to - as if he couldn't just have done it behind the scenes. He strung Cleveland along because he NEVER SAID he was leaving but c'mon son.
Wade was planning to leave Miami if he had to, Bosh was out of Toronto and all 3 knew they wanted to play together but ONE ? made it a spectacle. One ? . He ain't that special.
Why he getting leeway to doing ? like this? It ain't hate cause Wade and Bosh were prepared to leave too but they weren't doing it in the same way, so they don't get the hate. Why is that hard to see?
I respect him for leaving and going where he wanted. I thought it was garbage the way he did it, how big he did it and how it only benefitted him. And he's still not at the level he wants to be cause you can't MAKE an Icon. He's forcing it. He should just play and leave the theatrics alone and it'll come to him like it should.
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LOL @ bringing up Wade and Bosh when those two made their decision before Lebron. Some ? just hate to hate
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Coo Coo Cal's Beanie wrote: »LOL @ bringing up Wade and Bosh when those two made their decision before Lebron. Some ? just hate to hate
you cant win with this ? smh -
rap doctor wrote: »you cant win with this ? smh
I know right. Missing the whole point. -
ur point is void when ur not speaking facts
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Coo Coo Cal's Beanie wrote: »ur point is void when ur not speaking facts
You voiding yourself out with these nitpicky ass sentence replies you dropping, without a point to them.
You lost a long time ago. It's over with kid!
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southern posters really are slow
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DrMindbender122 wrote: »So, should he had stayed in Cleveland and continue to underachieve? ? that. Free Agency is an option and LBJ chose it. I don't get wtf the problem is. (((shrugs shoulders))).
I said this before in a few other similar threads on this site about this very same topic. Tell me that you've never had a job where u felt that u weren't going anywhere OR an opportunity presented itself where u could raise up and do better for yourself? LBJ did the same and did it for less money.
Exactly, had he stayed in Cleveland with that ? lineup they got right now, u would have heard "LeBron can't do it again", so he went somewhere that can help him get a ring.
If he would have stayed, he would be watching The Finals at home right now and not be in it.
Dan Gilbert ? up by not getting him help, Pat Riley got Wade help.
Dan needs to learn from The Lakers owners, The Spurs owners, Boston owners and Pat Riley.
