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where's usmarine at? yall just gonna let these facts fly and not come with lame excuses like in the weezy thread?
lol, yeah he was wack as hell.
Rapping like Fu Schikens and Das Efx back in '94
This and nothing else. Case closed.
the latter
thats more like it.
YOU NAILED IT. I always said that shit to everyone.
To OP, I don't think his age has nothing to do with it, he's just not ready.
What is the premise of the thread? I mean regardless he is still top 5 ever, regardless.
What the Homie said. Not to mention dude just wasn't that Nice. We are talking about a time when Brooklyn was spitting out MC's like automatic weapons. Boot Camp, Bush Babies,Special Ed,Cella dwellas,Das EFX,Jeru, group home etc etc. It took some one like dame to beg scratch and claw to get him on. Even with Big Daddy Kane, Jazo, (this is the late 80's very early 90's mind you) and Irv giving him burn time he didn't have a buzz, hype or anything close to it. He just wasn't nice on the Mic. Therefor no one was checking for him.
And we could argue all day about these artist releasing Classic albums and material as well. All popular? Sure!. Classic? Standing the test of time? Ground breaking? I don't think so.
his true peers are g-rap rakim and big daddy kane, he's as old as them.
nobody is denying jay-z's buisness skills. but this is strictly a hip hop question. jay's finanncial status can't save him here.
and yes jay didn't let up, he was great at taking styles that are popular and running with them to stay relevant.
Don't most rappers follow trends to stay relevant? Was Jay going out his way to do tracks with Akon, T-Pain, Lil Mo or whoever when it was the trendy thing to do? Look at Em, he raps on more southern sounding beats now and he did a collab with Rhianna which seems to be the industry standard, isn't he hoping on a trend? You ever notice how Nas was following the flashy trend from 96-2001, a trend that people swore Jay monopolized. Ya'll not giving him enough credit for his risk taking, you guys are overlooking things out of biasdness. People don't remember that Jay put out a classic album with two relatively unknown producers doing a majority of the production (Kanye and Just Blaze), those dudes definitely weren't indemand at the time (they weren't even signed). The Blueprint sound changed the sound of hip hop for a while because then other groups started putting they're spin on the soulful sound; who came after them, the Diplomats with the Heatmakers, Terror Squad with the early Cool N Dre Production ect ect. Jay even had the Hitmen produce a large majority of the American Gangster album, what trend was he following with that? Was Roc Boy's a trendy record? Was Kingdom Come a trendy album? The dude was like the first rapper to do songs with Chris Martin. There wasn't even a mainstream hip hop realease that year (2007) that sounded like American gangster.....and it was succesful. He featured UGK on Big Pimping, that wasn't trendy (for the time). What trend was he hoping on with Can I Get A with putting Amil and unknown Ja Rule on the track? or Nigga What Nigga Who when he featured Jaz-O on the track?
Game had just turned 25 when Documentary dropped (November 1979 is his birthday according to Wiki, and Documentary dropped January 2005)
Also how can you not agree with what JokerzWyld said? Instead of bringing up other artists? SMH.
You really don't think Puns first album, Get Rich or Die Trying, College Dropout, The Documentary, Slim Shady LP are up for discussion as classic albums? Get Rich or Die Trying wasn't ground breaking? Where you in the U.S. in 2003 when that album dropped? College Dropout wasn't ground breaking?
You tell us if, Jays peers such as Nas, G-Rap, Kane, Tupac, Biggie, Wu-Tang, Ice Cube, Jaz O, Rakim etc etc. were following trends?
In regards to your crediting Kanye, and Just Blaze with this soulful sound I simply point you to RZA who was doing this years before Kanye and Just Blaze. Rza didn't name names but he did mention on the double CD producers who were stealing his sound.
What I think doesn't matter. What I said, was we could argue if, these albums are indeed classic. And No I do not think GRDT, CD were ground breaking. I am willing to hear why you think they are.
Im well aware of the back-lash Kanye recieved from Rza...and Pete Rock at the time. Yeah Rza sampled soul loops (every once in a while) like on Wu's first album when he did the Can It All Be So Simple beat but his style was a little different than Kanye's and Just Blaze. Kanye even stated on the end of College Dropout that he "re-surged the soul sampling". A majority of mainstream Hip Hop records had a polished sound to it at the time so it was sort of left field and risky for Jay to do such a soulful album like that when Vol 3 was quite the opposite and Vol 3 was sucessful.
niggas popping up with fresh acounts out the blue giving posts like they jigga's right hand and shit ....
College Dropout was groundbreaking for it's unique sound, and dude's first single was him rapping his mouth wired shut and it was succesful who else has done that, he also realeased Jesus Walks which was a very risky song especially if you're a Roc-a-fella artist...but the record was successful and it did good in the clubs lol. He was also able to do all of the production without any of the beats sounding the same (but cohesive) and i've never heard that on an album before. The Bearnie Mac Skits, the long outro talking about how he got in the game, Jesus Walks, resurrecting Jamie's career with slow jams, the videos. He won grammy's off his first album....and I believe it was even voted like best hip hop album of the last decade plus it got 5 mics in the source. 50's album is groundbreaking just mostly off the massive success it had and it made alot of artist follow that album formula....plus the music was great.