Hakeem "Abul" Olajuwon is the 2nd Greatest Player in NBA History.......
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T. Sanford wrote: »But he dominated in a weaker era, where his only competition was Wilt Chamberlain.
Hakeem have the stats in a stronger era, both offense & especially defense. Even Shaq will probably vouch that Hakeem was the hardest player to guard. No center in the 90s was touching Olajuwon in his prime
Good Post. The thing is that i never saw @ anytime Hakeem in his prime get dominated/outplayed/outclassed/humiliated by any player. -
Justin Sane wrote: »? drexler averaged 21,7,4.5 with Houston in 95 and 20,7,5 in the playoffs....how is that washed up?
Like I said, he had help
but did he play in great teams like Kobe,shaq,MJ,Kareem,Magic,bird,wilt,bill? I knew clyde's numbers but he wuznt the same player we'd seen in Portland -
the fact is that hakeem during those couple seasons was the best player in the nba. jordan came back for a full season in '96 and shut it down. again.
that houston team had more than hakeem tho. and its very ignorant to say otherwise. were any of them HOF talent?...maybe not...but collectively they were a very good team. hakeem wasnt out there playing 1 on 5.
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but did he play in great teams like Kobe,shaq,MJ,Kareem,Magic,bird,wilt,bill? I knew clyde's numbers but he wuznt the same player we'd seen in Portland
Clyde was the same, he just took a backseat to dream because obviously it was dream's team
And I don't do hypotheticals ? , a lot of teams have been loaded squads and STILL didn't win
And hakeem is still in I'm my top 3 all-time -
naw that ? Robert Horry was putting in work too but still no center in history is touching nh Olajuwon in his prime
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T. Sanford wrote: »naw that ? Robert Horry was putting in work too but still no center in history is touching nh Olajuwon in his prime
WHAT?!
Wilt, Kareem?
Second greatest all time?? Bro... -
Hakeem having Clyde to win a ring=Kareem having the big o NH
Same predicament mumo -
fightforolddc wrote: »WHAT?!
Wilt, Kareem?
Second greatest all time?? Bro...
Yes he's better than both of them. & ? gon overrate Wilt because he was the tallest ? in the league with his best competition being Bill Russell -
MJ is da GOAT but how exactly can Kareem be better than Hakeem? Hakeem gave Kareem a hard time when they playd against each other in the WCF. Plus Kareem has had Big O, Magic, Worthy as his teammates while Hakeem had to work wit Bums and washd up all stars
You making it seem like the one on one matchup is the end all be all but its not. Kareem was consistently more dominant than Hakeem. Averaged more points, rebounds, and assists and shot a far higher % from the floor while taking more shots. The only claim Hakeem has is the playoffs, where he raised his play considerably more than Kareem. We however can't ignore the title Kareem won in Milwaukee which was a great achievement, not to mention when Hakeem got the better of Kareem he was past his prime. Hakeem might have been slightly better than Kareem defensively but let's not also forget the fact steals and blocks weren't recorded for Kareems 1st few seasons.
Skills and post moves are great but the name of the game is putting the ball in the hoop, Kareem was flat out better in that aspect. -
IntellectualViolence wrote: »this is a valid argument, I'll give it to u...
I still put Magic, Jordan, and Bird ahead of Hakeem though...
I respect this post, I can see Bird & Magic being ahead of Hakeem tho, especially Jordan -
Mike Jordan- Mike is the most complete basketball player ever, he match Hakeem, even in post skills
Kobe Bryant- Kobe Bryant is skilled as hell, he shoots, he defends, he passes, he scores, he dominates. He has the post game the
footwork, and even had a season where he made certain to block shots with his left hand! (who doe that)
Larry Bird-Did everything great (besides be athletic), and he dominated Hakeem and Ralph Sampson's squads in the finals. One of the grittiest, toughest players.
Kareem Abdul Jabbar-He was the best big man there ever was bruh, HE blocked shots, he could score with ease, he had touch (better touch than Hakeem) Family was 7'4 dog...c'mon! He didn't have the herky jerkyness of Olajuwan but he was everything else. -
Louis Cipher wrote: »bruh...that was a great team...you cant look at it and judge by the number of HOF players on a team...that was a good team in every sense of the word...
i really dont get what u sayin bruh! Hakeem in his 2nd season abused the Laker team wit 3 HOFers and went on to face a Celtic team wit 5 HOFers who averaged 15ppg and wuz all in they prime -- were it not for sampson Then Hakeem woulda upset the Celtics. Fact is Hakeem never playd in great teams like other GOAT Candidates. Why deny that?Justin Sane wrote: »Clyde was the same, he just took a backseat to dream because obviously it was dream's team
And I don't do hypotheticals ? , a lot of teams have been loaded squads and STILL didn't win
And hakeem is still in I'm my top 3 all-time
the dream's play in 2nd chip wuz impressive. He really tore up the league. From da 6th seed in a stackd West to makin the Finals and totally abusing admiral and rodman. Those are 2 of the top 10 greatest defensive players. -
Part of being a great player is willing your team to titles, I dont give a ? how you gotta do it... Pouting for trades, choking the GM out, or whatever you got to do, thats part of being a great player...
Kobe won as many titles (2) without shaq as Hakeem has all together. And he has a extra finals appearence to trump hakeem... thats EVEN WITHOUT THE OTHER 4 YEARS HE GOT TO THE FINALS and won 3 rings with shaq.
If you gonna act like rings dont mean ? , and just going off of Raw Talent, then Lebron is easily better than hakeem. So let me know which argument you want to go with.
In 1 argument (talent) Lebron > Hakeem (probably kobe too). In another argument (rings), Kobe > Hakeem.
Cant have it both ways chump. -
IntellectualViolence wrote: »He was not as skilled or versatile as Hakeem...
but he was truly dominant for an entire era... he defined what a defensive center is... rings, impact on the game >>>
Didn't russell play with like 6 different hall of famers -
I can see calling Hakeem better than Russell but not Wilt. Plus you can't even argue him being better than Magic or Bird, come on.
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fightforolddc wrote: »I can see calling Hakeem better than Russell but not Wilt. Plus you can't even argue him being better than Magic or Bird, come on.
he is better than Wilt, Kareem is a better argument than Wilt -
smittysmith wrote: »You making it seem like the one on one matchup is the end all be all but its not. Kareem was consistently more dominant than Hakeem. Averaged more points, rebounds, and assists and shot a far higher % from the floor while taking more shots. The only claim Hakeem has is the playoffs, where he raised his play considerably more than Kareem. We however can't ignore the title Kareem won in Milwaukee which was a great achievement, not to mention when Hakeem got the better of Kareem he was past his prime. Hakeem might have been slightly better than Kareem defensively but let's not also forget the fact steals and blocks weren't recorded for Kareems 1st few seasons.
Skills and post moves are great but the name of the game is putting the ball in the hoop, Kareem was flat out better in that aspect.
i hear u but we cant act like Hakeem dint outplay his competition. - shaq,drob,ewing,kareem,mutombo,mourning.Justin Sane wrote: »Hakeem having Clyde to win a ring=Kareem having the big o NH
Same predicament mumo
yup, i agree wit that -
Part of being a great player is willing your team to titles, I dont give a ? how you gotta do it... Pouting for trades, choking the GM out, or whatever you got to do, thats part of being a great player...
Kobe won as many titles (2) without shaq as Hakeem has all together. And he has a extra finals appearence to trump hakeem... thats EVEN WITHOUT THE OTHER 4 YEARS HE GOT TO THE FINALS and won 3 rings with shaq.
If you gonna act like rings dont mean ? , and just going off of Raw Talent, then Lebron is easily better than hakeem. So let me know which argument you want to go with.
In 1 argument (talent) Lebron > Hakeem (probably kobe too). In another argument (rings), Kobe > Hakeem.
Cant have it both ways chump.
are u ? ? Bron talented than Olajuwon? Thats some dumb ? . Hakeem skillset, plus combination of size, speed and athleticism wil never be witnessed. Olajuwon is the GOAT Defender. He abused Ewing(a 51% FG Career) shot 36% in the Finals. Hakeem is one of 3 players to hav a Quadruple-double. Plus both his final performances are in the top in history. Kobe dont even hav 1 memorable performance nor does Bron. Kobe FG % is 41.5 in da playoffs wtf.fightforolddc wrote: »I can see calling Hakeem better than Russell but not Wilt. Plus you can't even argue him being better than Magic or Bird, come on.
tha ? u sayin? How is bird and magic better than Hakeem allah? These two had the luxury of playin on great teams. -
the guy who said Bron is more talented than Hakeem is DUMB
i always said Hakeem>>>>>SHAQ
shaw always had a top 3 player when he won -
which 4 players would u put above Hakeem? And state clearly why they are better than him
same position or overall?
same position, wilt and kareem are better than him
overall jordan, kareem, wilt, and tim duncan
i know the last one will bother some, but tim won 4 chips, 2 with around the same talent level hakeem played with in his first right and 2 with the talent level hakeem had in his second chip, both had a twin towers era, hakeem had robinson. ewing and shaq as main adversaries, tim had prime shaq, kg, malone, webber, nowitzki, and stoudemire as his main adversaries. mike killed 6 years winning 6 rings, kobe killed 5 years winning 5 rings (during their respective eras)
career stats match up but the edge goes to timmy for never having missed the playoffs his whole career and winning 2 more titles
but goat footwork is most def hakeems. -
the guy who said Bron is more talented than Hakeem is DUMB
i always said Hakeem>>>>>SHAQ
shaw always had a top 3 player when he won
Word bruh. Todays kids be sayin dumb ? smh -
same position or overall?
same position, wilt and kareem are better than him
overall jordan, kareem, wilt, and tim duncan
i know the last one will bother some, but tim won 4 chips, 2 with around the same talent level hakeem played with in his first right and 2 with the talent level hakeem had in his second chip, both had a twin towers era, hakeem had robinson. ewing and shaq as main adversaries, tim had prime shaq, kg, malone, webber, nowitzki, and stoudemire as his main adversaries. mike killed 6 years winning 6 rings, kobe killed 5 years winning 5 rings (during their respective eras)
career stats match up but the edge goes to timmy for never having missed the playoffs his whole career and winning 2 more titles
but goat footwork is most def hakeems.
actually, i have no problem wit the BIG FUNDAMENTAL. Him and Hakeem Allah are 2a & 2b in my book. Il never forget how impressive Duncan wuz in 03 when he led Spurs to a title wit an average team. Duncan won 4 rings wit less talent than all the other GOAT candidates except Hakeem. I disagree on Wilt being better than Hakeem cuz he playd in a weak era wit Russell as his only competition. Kareem is a tough one but would he hav won those 2 rings with that Rockets team? Plus Olajuwon outplayd him in 86, and a better defender than Kareem. -
actually, i have no problem wit the BIG FUNDAMENTAL. Him and Hakeem Allah are 2a & 2b in my book. Il never forget how impressive Duncan wuz in 03 when he led Spurs to a title wit an average team. Duncan won 4 rings wit less talent than all the other GOAT candidates except Hakeem. I disagree on Wilt being better than Hakeem cuz he playd in a weak era wit Russell as his only competition. Kareem is a tough one but would he hav won those 2 rings with that Rockets team? Plus Olajuwon outplayd him in 86, and a better defender than Kareem.
Kareem has more all defensive teams and he was in his 17th year while hakeem was in his 2nd in 86..... -
same position or overall?
same position, wilt and kareem are better than him
overall jordan, kareem, wilt, and tim duncan
i know the last one will bother some, but tim won 4 chips, 2 with around the same talent level hakeem played with in his first right and 2 with the talent level hakeem had in his second chip, both had a twin towers era, hakeem had robinson. ewing and shaq as main adversaries, tim had prime shaq, kg, malone, webber, nowitzki, and stoudemire as his main adversaries. mike killed 6 years winning 6 rings, kobe killed 5 years winning 5 rings (during their respective eras)
career stats match up but the edge goes to timmy for never having missed the playoffs his whole career and winning 2 more titles
but goat footwork is most def hakeems.
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Good thread, though.
