True or False: Religion is the worst thing to happen in History
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Nah bruh...Its just not like that at all...Organised religion causes ignorance, arrogance and shortsightedness...For every one person it has 'saved', its killed a hundred thousand more...
I've got no personal beef with religion...its helps people through difficult times..Religion can't start a war, but it sure can be the cause of one...
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In Marvins Room wrote: »CeLLaR-DooR wrote: »In Marvins Room wrote: »In Marvins Room wrote: »Religion does alot more good then bad. You just only here about the bad. You don't here about the herion addict who found ? , got off drugs, and lives a productive and healthy life.
That doesn't make up for all the wars that have started becuz of religion
The radicals, who start wars because of religion, are seperated by the rest, and are not accepted. Bin Laden was dis owned by his family because of his radical views.
Some wars are started so the people of a country can have a freedom of religion. Which is a good thing.
Still a war over religion, though...
It's like a white dude robbing a pharmacy for pills
or
A black dude shooting someone over a drug deal
You can't let it reflect people as a whole. Saying religion starts wars is generalizing a select few who do. Religion brings more peace and harmony then violence.
What? No it doesnt. Religion is anti progression and sets guidelines for those in control to keep people separated, ignorant, and easy to control.
Its not a coincidence that the more knowledge you gain the less you believe. -
In Marvins Room wrote: »CeLLaR-DooR wrote: »In Marvins Room wrote: »In Marvins Room wrote: »Religion does alot more good then bad. You just only here about the bad. You don't here about the herion addict who found ? , got off drugs, and lives a productive and healthy life.
That doesn't make up for all the wars that have started becuz of religion
The radicals, who start wars because of religion, are seperated by the rest, and are not accepted. Bin Laden was dis owned by his family because of his radical views.
Some wars are started so the people of a country can have a freedom of religion. Which is a good thing.
Still a war over religion, though...
It's like a white dude robbing a pharmacy for pills
or
A black dude shooting someone over a drug deal
You can't let it reflect people as a whole. Saying religion starts wars is generalizing a select few who do. Religion brings more peace and harmony then violence.
And u know this how lol???
Because in prison. Murderers, drug dealers, robbers, all go to chapel on Monday nights. They sing, read scriptures and everything is peaceful in jail for that hour.
When you can find some kind of connection with ? , you feel at peace with yourself and the world. You do right by yourself and others. You tend to do better, act better in life.
These dudes that start wars because they think their religion is the best, are clowns and dont represent religion. they are murderers, bad dudes who hide behind religion. -
Niggersauce wrote: »In Marvins Room wrote: »CeLLaR-DooR wrote: »In Marvins Room wrote: »In Marvins Room wrote: »Religion does alot more good then bad. You just only here about the bad. You don't here about the herion addict who found ? , got off drugs, and lives a productive and healthy life.
That doesn't make up for all the wars that have started becuz of religion
The radicals, who start wars because of religion, are seperated by the rest, and are not accepted. Bin Laden was dis owned by his family because of his radical views.
Some wars are started so the people of a country can have a freedom of religion. Which is a good thing.
Still a war over religion, though...
It's like a white dude robbing a pharmacy for pills
or
A black dude shooting someone over a drug deal
You can't let it reflect people as a whole. Saying religion starts wars is generalizing a select few who do. Religion brings more peace and harmony then violence.
What? No it doesnt. Religion is anti progression and sets guidelines for those in control to keep people separated, ignorant, and easy to control.
Its not a coincidence that the more knowledge you gain the less you believe.
Religion sets guidlines for those to control people. ? . Religion every old. It hasnt been changed. Its the same now as it has always been. It gives you guidlines to live a good life. -
Humans are the source of their own. Conflict has been fought over land, resources, and money and often the state has used religion as a means of organizing the masses to fight under their direction. Monarchs were able to do it easily because according to them they had divine right and spoke for whatever ? they saw fit.
Religion works like nationality and is often coupled with it, serves as a vehicle for the powers that be to give the people a reason to fight.
In history, religion has also been the spiritual strength of protests and cultural revolutions. King often talked about how the the differences between just and unjust laws. The constitution is founded on the principle that all are equal because all have a common creator. ghandi (as racist as he was) utilized spiritual strength to drive the principle of civil disobedience. chinese monks stood up to chinese soldiers and still do to this day under china's cultural revolution which basically outlawed all forms of religion under communism. native tribes in america pre columbus believed in the great father concept, common creator that allowed for them to share space and to nurse back to health, ungrateful ass european colonists.
Suffice to say no, religion is not the worst thing to happen in human history, this is very short sighted. men's ? for power is the worst thing in history. -
This explains it all
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If not for mans ? for power there would be no history. Wtf?
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In Marvins Room wrote:Religion does alot more good then bad. You just only here about the bad. You don't here about the herion addict who found ? , got off drugs, and lives a productive and healthy life.
Now i will not be the one that claims that religion is the worst thing to ever happen in history... but to even claim that religion has done more good than bad is just straight up foolish b!!!! & i'm not just talking about the numerous wars that were started in the name of religion, we could included the crazy ass corruption that exists because of religion, hate crimes, the list could go on forever man... don't believe the hype b!!!!!! -
and wars were fought for power and control. often times they were fought under the guise of religion. but religion is just what differentiates each group who was commiting the atrocities. Its just capitalism, really. Get is much as you can, crush your opponent, and keep them down and if need be buy them out and force them to assimilate. Greed would exist with or without religion
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The biggest problem with religion is people take the books literally when the Bible is an allegory imo.
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Darius wrote:and wars were fought for power and control. often times they were fought under the guise of religion. but religion is just what differentiates each group who was commiting the atrocities. Its just capitalism, really. Get is much as you can, crush your opponent, and keep them down and if need be buy them out and force them to assimilate. Greed would exist with or without religion
True but the way that it was sold to the masses was in the name of religion though... let's be honest religion has been the easiest way to keep the masses in check... the same way you keep your kids in check by telling them about the boogeyman -
True, /thread
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angrymaninc wrote:Darius wrote:and wars were fought for power and control. often times they were fought under the guise of religion. but religion is just what differentiates each group who was commiting the atrocities. Its just capitalism, really. Get is much as you can, crush your opponent, and keep them down and if need be buy them out and force them to assimilate. Greed would exist with or without religion
True but the way that it was sold to the masses was in the name of religion though... let's be honest religion has been the easiest way to keep the masses in check... the same way you keep your kids in check by telling them about the boogeyman
well i'd prefer not to keep my child in check by telling him about the boogy man. i'd much rather be the boogie man. scare him to the point that he knows not to ? around. but still if its that approach, or if its about invoking religion, it has a way off keeping people in check. and thats not exactly a bad thing. it can be. but inherintly, its not.
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Religion is a coping mechanism create by men to deal with the uncertainties of life such as death. People need to ? start believing in themselves and give themselves some ? credit for once, instead of some mythical being. It's people suffering everyday who are good people, that alone should show you that this idea of faith is complete ? . ? only rewards those who are born in great circumstances (America and other fortunate countries).
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Nah, not the worst. If it wasn't religion, it would be something else people would take to the next level. That's like saying guns are the worst thing ever created, it's just passing the buck.
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Religion is foolish; but thanks to religion, I get to see great ? like beheaded kids and kids beheading.
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Darius wrote:angrymaninc wrote:Darius wrote:and wars were fought for power and control. often times they were fought under the guise of religion. but religion is just what differentiates each group who was commiting the atrocities. Its just capitalism, really. Get is much as you can, crush your opponent, and keep them down and if need be buy them out and force them to assimilate. Greed would exist with or without religion
True but the way that it was sold to the masses was in the name of religion though... let's be honest religion has been the easiest way to keep the masses in check... the same way you keep your kids in check by telling them about the boogeyman
well i'd prefer not to keep my child in check by telling him about the boogy man. i'd much rather be the boogie man. scare him to the point that he knows not to ? around. but still if its that approach, or if its about invoking religion, it has a way off keeping people in check. and thats not exactly a bad thing. it can be. but inherintly, its not.
And i agree with you there too... unfortunately not everyone will some ppl like the easy way out -
fiat_money wrote: »Religion is foolish; but thanks to religion, I get to see great ? like beheaded kids and kids beheading.
Every man has a religion because every man has something they worship, sacrifice for, pay homage too, even if it is only themselves. -
and wars were fought for power and control. often times they were fought under the guise of religion. but religion is just what differentiates each group who was commiting the atrocities. Its just capitalism, really. Get is much as you can, crush your opponent, and keep them down and if need be buy them out and force them to assimilate. Greed would exist with or without religion
You need to take a look at a History. The Christian Crusades. Never ending conflicts in the Middle East. The Holocaust. American independence from Great Britain (for freedom of religion)
What's the common denominator?
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bankenstein wrote: »and wars were fought for power and control. often times they were fought under the guise of religion. but religion is just what differentiates each group who was commiting the atrocities. Its just capitalism, really. Get is much as you can, crush your opponent, and keep them down and if need be buy them out and force them to assimilate. Greed would exist with or without religion
You need to take a look at a History. The Christian Crusades. Never ending conflicts in the Middle East. The Holocaust. American independence from Great Britain (for freedom of religion)
What's the common denominator?
What are white people? -
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PublicEnemigo1 wrote: »fiat_money wrote: »Religion is foolish; but thanks to religion, I get to see great ? like beheaded kids and kids beheading.
Every man has a religion because every man has something they worship, sacrifice for, pay homage too, even if it is only themselves.
I had a teacher with a similar philosophy. He used to say "it's not a question of whether you worship, but rather what you worship"
lmao seriously this is one of the worse excuses religious apologetics have ever used. Its a blasphemous play on words just to distort the original premise. Lets break it apartwor·ship [wur-ship] Show IPA noun, verb, -shiped, -ship·ing or ( especially British ) -shipped, -ship·ping.
noun
1.
reverent honor and homage paid to ? or a sacred personage, or to any object regarded as sacred.
2.
formal or ceremonious rendering of such honor and homage: They attended worship this morning.
3.
adoring reverence or regard: excessive worship of business success.
4.
the object of adoring reverence or regard.
sac·ri·? [sak-ruh-fahys] Show IPA noun, verb, -ficed, -fic·ing.
noun
1.
the offering of animal, plant, or human life or of some material possession to a deity, as in propitiation or homage.
2.
the person, animal, or thing so offered.
3.
the surrender or destruction of something prized or desirable for the sake of something considered as having a higher or more pressing claim.
4.
the thing so surrendered or devoted.
5.
a loss incurred in selling something below its value.
hom·age [hom-ij, om-] Show IPA
noun
1.
respect or reverence paid or rendered: In his speech he paid homage to Washington and Jefferson.
2.
the formal public acknowledgment by which a feudal tenant or vassal declared himself to be the man or vassal of his lord, owing him fealty and service.
3.
the relation thus established of a vassal to his lord.
4.
something done or given in acknowledgment or consideration of the worth of another:
As you can see, all 3 of these words revolve around the idea of respect. But when you say "we all have a religion" you're bastardizing the concept. You're pretty much trying to equate the aspect of Respect & Appreciation with the concept of worship. These are two totally different ideas in practice.
Its as simple as this:
- Do you sacrifice for your family?
- Do you pay homage to your family?
- Do you WORSHIP your family? No. Just because you "adore, revere and regard" something doesn't mean you worship it. You have to meet the other criteria within the worship definition too.
As MY english teacher used to say, "there wouldn't be 2 different words if it was meant to have the same definition."
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PublicEnemigo1 wrote: »fiat_money wrote: »Religion is foolish; but thanks to religion, I get to see great ? like beheaded kids and kids beheading.
Every man has a religion because every man has something they worship, sacrifice for, pay homage too, even if it is only themselves.
I had a teacher with a similar philosophy. He used to say "it's not a question of whether you worship, but rather what you worship"
lmao seriously this is one of the worse excuses religious apologetics have ever used. Its a blasphemous play on words just to distort the original premise. Lets break it apartwor·ship [wur-ship] Show IPA noun, verb, -shiped, -ship·ing or ( especially British ) -shipped, -ship·ping.
noun
1.
reverent honor and homage paid to ? or a sacred personage, or to any object regarded as sacred.
2.
formal or ceremonious rendering of such honor and homage: They attended worship this morning.
3.
adoring reverence or regard: excessive worship of business success.
4.
the object of adoring reverence or regard.
sac·ri·? [sak-ruh-fahys] Show IPA noun, verb, -ficed, -fic·ing.
noun
1.
the offering of animal, plant, or human life or of some material possession to a deity, as in propitiation or homage.
2.
the person, animal, or thing so offered.
3.
the surrender or destruction of something prized or desirable for the sake of something considered as having a higher or more pressing claim.
4.
the thing so surrendered or devoted.
5.
a loss incurred in selling something below its value.
hom·age [hom-ij, om-] Show IPA
noun
1.
respect or reverence paid or rendered: In his speech he paid homage to Washington and Jefferson.
2.
the formal public acknowledgment by which a feudal tenant or vassal declared himself to be the man or vassal of his lord, owing him fealty and service.
3.
the relation thus established of a vassal to his lord.
4.
something done or given in acknowledgment or consideration of the worth of another:
As you can see, all 3 of these words revolve around the idea of respect. But when you say "we all have a religion" you're bastardizing the concept. You're pretty much trying to equate the aspect of Respect & Appreciation with the concept of worship. These are two totally different ideas in practice.
Its as simple as this:
- Do you sacrifice for your family?
- Do you pay homage to your family?
- Do you WORSHIP your family? No. Just because you "adore, revere and regard" something doesn't mean you worship it. You have to meet the other criteria within the worship definition too.
As MY english teacher used to say, "there wouldn't be 2 different words if it was meant to have the same definition."
I see your point and I raise you this one
Sports are an American religion. Each game has it's own rituals, persons to whom homage is paid, legends of the game which are deified. People sacrifice time energy and money to go to games, get an autograph, touch an athlete who is often referred to as gods among men.
People more than respect and appreciate athletes, they worship them, want to be them and to know them.
I understand the dictionary definition, but you need to peer deeper. In fact in your own words you refute that my logic is a blasphemous play on words, blasphemous being the opposite of sacred. You hold words to be sacred, you revere the language and the power inherent to one who has mastered it. In other words has become a ? .
It is never as simple as the two questions you pose because religion and worship is fluid and has contains so much subtext. -
PublicEnemigo1 wrote: »I see your point and I raise you this one
Sports are an American religion. Each game has it's own rituals, persons to whom homage is paid, legends of the game which are deified. People sacrifice time energy and money to go to games, get an autograph, touch an athlete who is often referred to as gods among men.
People more than respect and appreciate athletes, they worship them, want to be them and to know them.
I understand the dictionary definition, but you need to peer deeper. In fact in your own words you refute that my logic is a blasphemous play on words, blasphemous being the opposite of sacred. You hold words to be sacred, you revere the language and the power inherent to one who has mastered it. In other words has become a ? .
It is never as simple as the two questions you pose because religion and worship is fluid and has contains so much subtext.
good show good show lol
I used blasphemous cause its a great sounding word to me. Blasphemous to me is how sohh posters use "demonic." But I digress......
Yeah I've heard this "sports are a religion" argument before. I'd counter you by saying, "so are politics a religion?"
it has its own rituals: election process etc
homage: check
deified: see Reagan, Ronald
people sacrifice time energy and money: super pacs, campaigns, donations
touch a president referred to as gods among men: see Queen of England (even though she's just a figurehead)
So now your definition doesn't work. Instead you're stretching some characteristics to fit an argument.
If you look up the word religion:
1.
a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2.
a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3.
the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
4.
the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5.
the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
The 1st definition is where the problem comes into effect. That first definition is why apologetics turn around and say "well science is a religion too." What they seem to miss out on is the part that says "OFTEN CONTAINING A MORAL CODE GOVERNING THE CONDUCT OF HUMAN AFFAIRS." That is the most important aspect that distinguishes religion from all else. -
PublicEnemigo1 wrote: »I see your point and I raise you this one
Sports are an American religion. Each game has it's own rituals, persons to whom homage is paid, legends of the game which are deified. People sacrifice time energy and money to go to games, get an autograph, touch an athlete who is often referred to as gods among men.
People more than respect and appreciate athletes, they worship them, want to be them and to know them.
I understand the dictionary definition, but you need to peer deeper. In fact in your own words you refute that my logic is a blasphemous play on words, blasphemous being the opposite of sacred. You hold words to be sacred, you revere the language and the power inherent to one who has mastered it. In other words has become a ? .
It is never as simple as the two questions you pose because religion and worship is fluid and has contains so much subtext.
good show good show lol
I used blasphemous cause its a great sounding word to me. Blasphemous to me is how sohh posters use "demonic." But I digress......
Yeah I've heard this "sports are a religion" argument before. I'd counter you by saying, "so are politics a religion?"
it has its own rituals: election process etc
homage: check
deified: see Reagan, Ronald
people sacrifice time energy and money: super pacs, campaigns, donations
touch a president referred to as gods among men: see Queen of England (even though she's just a figurehead)
So now your definition doesn't work. Instead you're stretching some characteristics to fit an argument.
If you look up the word religion:
1.
a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2.
a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3.
the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
4.
the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5.
the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
The 1st definition is where the problem comes into effect. That first definition is why apologetics turn around and say "well science is a religion too." What they seem to miss out on is the part that says "OFTEN CONTAINING A MORAL CODE GOVERNING THE CONDUCT OF HUMAN AFFAIRS." That is the most important aspect that distinguishes religion from all else.
Yes politics is also a religion, in fact i would claim that it is the worship of the union between state and commerce.
I would also make this fact because american politics often positions itself in a universal manner just look at how candidates have to argue on domestic and foreign policies. I would also argue that CIA and the american military while not inherently superhuman display superhuman tendencies by acting as omnipotent and omnipresent forces globally.
So while the religion of politics does not control the expanded universe it does influence its immediate universe (earth) in a most efficient way. Politics especially american politics follow the first definition of religion almost to a T
