? is way better than Illmatic
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I always hear Illmatic being hailed as the "the best album ever", "the bible of rap," or an album that's in a league of its own. I've never agreed with this at all. While it is a great album, there's a bunch of albums from that era that are as good, if not superior to Illmatic.
? is one of those albums. Although its lyrics aren't as advanced as those on Illmatic , there's no denying that when it comes to production, replay value and number of classic tracks, ? crushes it. Illmatic is obviously a classic too, but the crucial point here is that it's a weaker classic than ? and just cannot compete with it as an overall album.
Lets not be afraid to be honest....? just bumps way more than Illmatic.
? is one of those albums. Although its lyrics aren't as advanced as those on Illmatic , there's no denying that when it comes to production, replay value and number of classic tracks, ? crushes it. Illmatic is obviously a classic too, but the crucial point here is that it's a weaker classic than ? and just cannot compete with it as an overall album.
Lets not be afraid to be honest....? just bumps way more than Illmatic.
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Musically, yeah. But Nas never needed help to write his rhymes, was more diverse... and The World Is Yours>>>>>>>>
Great points though... ? is hard to beat. -
Haven't heard ? as an adult, may go back and revisit it.
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This thread can get interesting. For the record ? is one of my top 5 favorite albums.
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U should of threw a poll up for this fam
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The Chronic = goat album
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If youre not posting from a new electronic toy your christmas is ass and your family should be evaluated.
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U should of threw a poll up for this fam
Damn, you right. I wish I had now.Musically, yeah. But Nas never needed help to write his rhymes, was more diverse... and The World Is Yours>>>>>>>>
Great points though... ? is hard to beat.
I love The World Is Yours. "I need a new ni99a, for this black cloud to follow/Cause while it's over me it's too dark 2 see tomorrow" is one of my favorite lines ever from any album. Illmatic is as an undisputed classic. But if you put lllmatic's 9 songs up against ? 's 13 songs and analyze everything, I think it's a lot closer than some people would care to acknowledge. -
For a party vibe...? wins the battle...If you're looking for some emcee ? ...ILLMATIC by a landslide....both albums are dope and classics!
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Apples and oranges and besides that it's been 18 years since these joints were released. What's the sense of making this thread. If you wanted to make a more realistic comparison you could have compared Illmatic with OB4CL IMHO.
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LOL... bruh there's a lot of albums that are better than Illmatic.
? , The Chronic, Amerikkka's Most Wanted, Nations of Millions ect.....
All those albums are better than Illmatic. -
THREAD STARTER SLIT YOUR WRIST PLEASE
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wouldn't even compare them. illmatic is a pure hip hop album. compare ? with ready to die
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? lacks substance...
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I wouldn't say way better but I wouldn't argue on it being better. Depends on the mood I'm in honestly
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Built 4 cuban linx wrote: »I wouldn't say way better but I wouldn't argue on it being better. Depends on the mood I'm in honestly
Same here. ? is a classic but these two albums are quite different...
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U should of threw a poll up for this fam
He knew better to throw a poll up it aint hard to tell.
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Muhannad X wrote: »Apples and oranges and besides that it's been 18 years since these joints were released. What's the sense of making this thread. If you wanted to make a more realistic comparison you could have compared Illmatic with OB4CL IMHO.
Gotta agree with you on OB4CL.
Conceptually, musically, thematically, Only Built 4 Cuban Linx was a better album. Illmatic would be the better lyrical album, but I think having a more fluid overall story and theme on an album necessitates trading off lyrical wittiness. That's not to say that Raekwon and Ghost didn't bring it on another level when it comes to lyrics.
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Muhannad X wrote: »Apples and oranges and besides that it's been 18 years since these joints were released. What's the sense of making this thread. If you wanted to make a more realistic comparison you could have compared Illmatic with OB4CL IMHO.
Gotta agree with you on OB4CL.
Conceptually, musically, thematically, Only Built 4 Cuban Linx was a better album. Illmatic would be the better lyrical album, but I think having a more fluid overall story and theme on an album necessitates trading off lyrical wittiness. That's not to say that Raekwon and Ghost didn't bring it on another level when it comes to lyrics.
not to mention NAS had the dopest verse on OB4CL.... -
Stopitfive wrote: »? lacks substance...
Please .... Theres plenty of drug talk on that thang -
Can't really think of any album that's way better than Illmatic
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trolling even on christmas I see.
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? is overrated as ? . Ass music
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Well put. I concur. Poll not needed, for the point needed to be made.
Illamtic wasn't even receive as it is today then when it was released. it later became a bandwagon opion that many would just go with.
Illmatic is just lyrics, it's not too musically ill. Doggystle may not had lyrics on Nas, but many dope lyrics on there.
Hip Hop is no poem, if so we wouldn't need the music with it.
? gave incredibility dope music and rap at the time.
To be honest, other than being hailed as a classic illmatic is so dated, ? is still musically fresh, as if it's current music.
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Snoop had ghostwriters on ? and Illmatic is still far superior to it lyrically. Illmatic is better to me, but there is no such thing as an objective greatest album. I call troll thread here.
