interesting perspective on last mondays RAW

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TheBoyRo
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WWE Raw Live Perspective
Submitted by PWTorch reader Jason

Let me preface this by saying that I have been a fan of wrestling for as long as I can recall. I have attended live events for about 20 years now and have been following wrestling both in the mainstream and behind the scenes for almost that entire time. I am the kid who used to watch ECW on public access TV on my local Philly station late at night.

Those things considered, every week I read different things on PWTorch about the three-hour Raw format weakening the product and WWE Creative needing to step up. I have agreed with these points essentially 100 percent since they have been shared. That is, until Monday night when I attended the live broadcast of WWE Monday Night Raw.

I don’t believe that the WWE Creative team, nor Vince McMahon, nor the three-hour Raws are the main reasons why the product has reached its current threshold of mediocrity. I think that a majority of the blame falls on the fans that come to these shows. At this point, WWE is playing to the lowest common denominator, and it is selling.

I arrived at the arena on-time and was seated to see the taping of the Superstars matches. And what I observed from that point until the end of the show was pretty much a case for my point. One of the first things that got me thinking about the state of WWE was fan reactions to certain matches. Essentially any match that had a heel in control for more than 30 seconds or went longer than three minutes created a restless crowd. Shortly after the first "boring" chant (during Kofi Kingston’s Superstars match), I started listening to the conversations of the fans seated around me. Many of these people were adults there with their children and were talking about everything but wrestling. Not a total surprise, but a very different audience then I had seen in years prior.

My real shock started during the Kane & Daniel Bryan match, though. I listened as individuals behind me spoke in astonishment that "Kane" was able to still wrestle, considering that he has been around for so long starting as Mankind, Cactus Jack, and then Dude Love before becoming Kane. Yes, they really believed that. But, during the Q&A panel, they were unable to identify ? Foley as anyone famous. I even heard an audible “Who is that?” come from the same group. Furthermore, they were all very excited when Great Khali came out to give The Shield their comeuppance, and were shocked when The Shield defeated them. Later, they showed a video package highlighting moments on Raw from the past, and people were shocked when Vince’s limo exploded. They were enthralled with Stone Cold’s antics saying things like, “He really drove a Zamboni into the arena?” They were also uncertain that The Rock of the '90s was the same Rock of today, and could not identify Chris Jericho with long hair.

Then came the nail in the coffin. Brodus Clay and Tensai came out to wrestle and the arena exploded. They not only received one of the biggest pops of the night, but there were probably 1,000 male fans over the age of 35 mimicking the Funk-a-saurus Dance. It was watching this when everything came together. This is the majority of the WWE Universe. Not those of us familiar with the term German Suplex and can name a retired wrestler other than Ric Flair (who, by the way, everyone was waiting for and if I hear “WOOO!” one more time...).

This is the fanbase. These people are cheering for Khali and Zack Ryder. These are the people longing for Santino (and trust me there was much distress that he was not present for the show). WWE is hearing the cheers and selling the merchandise. It is unfortunate because as long as the majority of fans have no idea what they are watching and pop to dumb schtick, wrestling fans are stuck with this kind of programming.

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  • DOPEdweebz
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    I didnt even watch RAW. See yall at Wrestlemania!
  • Ishi
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  • Crude_
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    Lmao at fans thinking Mickey Foley and Kane are the same person.
  • Crude_
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  • Mr.LV
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    New York city crowds and Chicago crowds are the best .
  • eyes low
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    Mr.LV wrote: »
    New York city crowds and Chicago crowds are the best .

    Word probably because we aren't ?
  • Idiopathic Joker
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    They were shocked with the Zamboni?????????
  • DOPEdweebz
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    Lmao at fans thinking Mickey Foley and Kane are the same person.
    Abyss..
  • jono
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    Some fans aren't really fans. Wrestling is like the zoo to the fans these days, they go to see certain things but they aren't necessarily fans of professional wrestling in general.

    The real pro wrestling fans rarely order PPVs and don't really go to shows either. They bootleg PPVs and read spoilers...that's just how we are. Kids and clueless adults don't think about streaming PPVs and want to go to the show for the atmosphere (which is awesome for Wrestlemania).
  • Dupac
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    this ? almost made me cry....same thing goes for every combat sport..

    casual ass boxing and mma fans the same way..they don't know ? about ? ..yet they the large majority of people throwing money into the sport
  • Peezy_Jenkins
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    damn thats tragic as ?
  • Broddie
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    I read this over at the torch and couldn't stop laughing. It was both sad and hilarious at the same time. One thing it wasn't was surprising. While wrestling fans may be WWE fans it's not a secret that most WWE fans aren't wrestling fans.
  • KillaCham
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    ? wrestling fans that actually spend money to go to the PPVs >>> casual "fans" that probably won their Smackdown tickets from their local radio station...for the most part, at least. You can tell the atmosphere is way different.
  • Mr.LV
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    KillaCham wrote: »
    ? wrestling fans that actually spend money to go to the PPVs >>> casual "fans" that probably won their Smackdown tickets from their local radio station...for the most part, at least. You can tell the atmosphere is way different.

    The atmosphere is way different between a raw and and a pay per view.
  • jono
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    This made me think of that idiot I saw on TV a few years ago that said he liked Carlito better when he was Razor Ramon....


    I was so damn befuddled, like how can someone even get those two confused is beyond my realm of understanding.
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  • Recaptimus_Prime360
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    TheBoyRo wrote: »
    WWE Raw Live Perspective
    Submitted by PWTorch reader Jason

    Let me preface this by saying that I have been a fan of wrestling for as long as I can recall. I have attended live events for about 20 years now and have been following wrestling both in the mainstream and behind the scenes for almost that entire time. I am the kid who used to watch ECW on public access TV on my local Philly station late at night.

    Those things considered, every week I read different things on PWTorch about the three-hour Raw format weakening the product and WWE Creative needing to step up. I have agreed with these points essentially 100 percent since they have been shared. That is, until Monday night when I attended the live broadcast of WWE Monday Night Raw.

    I don’t believe that the WWE Creative team, nor Vince McMahon, nor the three-hour Raws are the main reasons why the product has reached its current threshold of mediocrity. I think that a majority of the blame falls on the fans that come to these shows. At this point, WWE is playing to the lowest common denominator, and it is selling.

    I arrived at the arena on-time and was seated to see the taping of the Superstars matches. And what I observed from that point until the end of the show was pretty much a case for my point. One of the first things that got me thinking about the state of WWE was fan reactions to certain matches. Essentially any match that had a heel in control for more than 30 seconds or went longer than three minutes created a restless crowd. Shortly after the first "boring" chant (during Kofi Kingston’s Superstars match), I started listening to the conversations of the fans seated around me. Many of these people were adults there with their children and were talking about everything but wrestling. Not a total surprise, but a very different audience then I had seen in years prior.

    My real shock started during the Kane & Daniel Bryan match, though. I listened as individuals behind me spoke in astonishment that "Kane" was able to still wrestle, considering that he has been around for so long starting as Mankind, Cactus Jack, and then Dude Love before becoming Kane. Yes, they really believed that. But, during the Q&A panel, they were unable to identify ? Foley as anyone famous. I even heard an audible “Who is that?” come from the same group. Furthermore, they were all very excited when Great Khali came out to give The Shield their comeuppance, and were shocked when The Shield defeated them. Later, they showed a video package highlighting moments on Raw from the past, and people were shocked when Vince’s limo exploded. They were enthralled with Stone Cold’s antics saying things like, “He really drove a Zamboni into the arena?” They were also uncertain that The Rock of the '90s was the same Rock of today, and could not identify Chris Jericho with long hair.

    Then came the nail in the coffin. Brodus Clay and Tensai came out to wrestle and the arena exploded. They not only received one of the biggest pops of the night, but there were probably 1,000 male fans over the age of 35 mimicking the Funk-a-saurus Dance. It was watching this when everything came together. This is the majority of the WWE Universe. Not those of us familiar with the term German Suplex and can name a retired wrestler other than Ric Flair (who, by the way, everyone was waiting for and if I hear “WOOO!” one more time...).

    This is the fanbase. These people are cheering for Khali and Zack Ryder. These are the people longing for Santino (and trust me there was much distress that he was not present for the show). WWE is hearing the cheers and selling the merchandise. It is unfortunate because as long as the majority of fans have no idea what they are watching and pop to dumb schtick, wrestling fans are stuck with this kind of programming.



    This right here is depressing, and sad.
  • Copper
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    lol @ thinking the rock is a different dude b/c he had hair then....

    yeah the current crowd is dumb..that I can easily tell the diff. by watching reactions when certain stars come out.....and I can tell thier unease and tension when a wrestling match goes longer than 2 1/2 minutes...back in the day lucahdores and lighweights used to put on a strong lenghty show to begin wcw and raw...nowand days they would get booed if they took to long....
  • waterproof
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    AND WE ALL CAN THANK VINNY MAC FOR THAT,

    *goes back to you tube and watch old school matches*
  • Turfaholic
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    Coco b ware>>>that guy with the Pepsi tattoo
  • TheBoyRo
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    WWE Raw TV taping report
    April 15, 2013
    Greenville, S.C.
    Report by Michael, PWTorch reader

    I'm from Australia and attended last night's Raw with my English friend, Dan. I had a "Raw is Generico" sign, which you may have noticed. A lot of people on Twitter loved it, but not WWE. Here's what happened:

    Thank you, WWE, for ending my USA trip on such a low note. Last night was the final night of my trip and Dan and I were ending it with a bang. We had third row seats directly opposite the camera, ideal for a couple of guys who love a bit of TV time.

    At one point in the night Dan had a couple of his signs confiscated. The explanation was vague, but I assumed it was because he was holding them up too regularly.

    We moved on, until WWE decided to flex their muscles. I was watching the Dolph Ziggler vs. Jack Swagger match and before I knew it Dan was being escorted by security. I was dumbfounded, because from what I can recall the most serious crime he might’ve committed at the time was holding up a sign promoting his Twitter handle, which includes the acronym “ROH."

    Fans around me were telling me, “Your buddy’s been taken over there near the National Guard people." All I could say was “Why?!” No one had an answer. I could see him begging security for answers.

    A segment or two later and it’s time for C.M. Punk’s promo. This was when I was going to hold up the only sign I brought with me – the one which said “Raw is Generico." I held it up 2-3 times within the space of a couple of minutes, and all of a sudden I’ve got a security guard next to me saying “come with me.”

    I said, “Why?”

    All he said was, “Just do it.”

    So, I picked up my stuff and did the walk of shame, being escorted past everyone from the TV-side to the non-TV side. While walking I pleaded for an explanation of what I had done wrong, but the security guard wasn’t saying a word.

    I said, “Are you going to speak?”

    He replied, “It’s the show. The show doesn’t want you there.”

    They took me to an empty seat in a level 100 section of the non-TV side, even though I’d paid over face value for a floor seat directly opposite the camera. I said something like: "Before I sit down, is someone going to tell me what I did wrong?"

    One of the security guards said, "It was your sign."

    I asked why they couldn't just confiscate it and let me stay in my seat, but he wasn't able to give me an answer. When I got to my seat I had a different security guard tell me: "You're out. They want you out of the building," until he was corrected by one of his colleagues.

    There was about half-an-hour remaining in the show and I barely remember a second of it. I basically just sat there staring blankly into the distance or at the big screen waiting for the show to end.

    I spent thousands of dollars on this trip, with much of it going into WWE's coffers. I now have no motivation whatsoever to pour another cent into a company that would treat me that way. It was humiliating. It saddens me that I am highly unlikely to be in New Orleans next near - not because I'll miss WrestleMania, but because I'll miss everything else about that weekend, including the people I've been fortunate enough to meet.

    New Orleans was meant to be the next opportunity to catch up with these people and others, but I can't see how I can possibly support WWE after last night. We're now planning to organize our own wrestling trip outside of WrestleMania week where we'll try to fit in ROH and TNA.

    People mock me for my passion for TNA, but at least I know they won't treat me like I was treated at last night's Raw. My trip started with TNA Lockdown, and I felt like such a part of that whole weekend. It was the highest of highs, but, sadly, my trip has now ended with the lowest of lows. For that, I once again say thank you, WWE.
  • VIBE
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    SMH @ signs making them catch feelings.

    So much for a "social media" company.