So Johnny Depp is basically going Red Faced in the Lone Ranger?

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  • The Lonious Monk
    The Lonious Monk Members Posts: 26,258 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Can't see how ? are still shocked by this sorta thing. Its Hollywood. They don't give a ? about values or morals.

    It's not even morals though. It's just simple respect, and to act like Hollywood would do this all the time with no thought is silly. I don't care what the circumstances, they wouldn't have Johnny Depp playing a black or asian character because they've already done that and gotten burned for it. They are pulling that with the Natives because they have such a small representation. It's the same way that the Redskins can get away with that team name for so long. An honestly, the Natives that cosign this move are idiots. I'm not saying you have to be oversensitive about everything, but people have to know ? is connected. You can't let people get away with stuff like this and expect them not to try and minimize you in other ways.

  • young_reezy
    young_reezy Members Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭✭✭
    the original tonto was a white boy too I think
  • CeLLaR-DooR
    CeLLaR-DooR Members Posts: 18,880 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Can't see how ? are still shocked by this sorta thing. Its Hollywood. They don't give a ? about values or morals.

    It's not even morals though. It's just simple respect, and to act like Hollywood would do this all the time with no thought is silly. I don't care what the circumstances, they wouldn't have Johnny Depp playing a black or asian character because they've already done that and gotten burned for it. They are pulling that with the Natives because they have such a small representation. It's the same way that the Redskins can get away with that team name for so long. An honestly, the Natives that cosign this move are idiots. I'm not saying you have to be oversensitive about everything, but people have to know ? is connected. You can't let people get away with stuff like this and expect them not to try and minimize you in other ways.

    Yo I agree. I really do. But, unless they (Natives) speak up about it, nothin' will happen.
  • The Lonious Monk
    The Lonious Monk Members Posts: 26,258 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Can't see how ? are still shocked by this sorta thing. Its Hollywood. They don't give a ? about values or morals.

    It's not even morals though. It's just simple respect, and to act like Hollywood would do this all the time with no thought is silly. I don't care what the circumstances, they wouldn't have Johnny Depp playing a black or asian character because they've already done that and gotten burned for it. They are pulling that with the Natives because they have such a small representation. It's the same way that the Redskins can get away with that team name for so long. An honestly, the Natives that cosign this move are idiots. I'm not saying you have to be oversensitive about everything, but people have to know ? is connected. You can't let people get away with stuff like this and expect them not to try and minimize you in other ways.

    Yo I agree. I really do. But, unless they (Natives) speak up about it, nothin' will happen.

    Yeah, and since Depp has reached out to at least one tribe to smooth it over, I'm guessing they will let it slide without seeing the big picture.
  • Billy_Poncho
    Billy_Poncho Members Posts: 22,382 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I ain't surprised, "21" was a true story about Asian MIT students that got over on a casino, but in the movie it's all white people and an Asian side character. ? em...
  • T-Rel
    T-Rel Members Posts: 2,875 ✭✭✭✭✭
    this was the first thing I thought of after reading op.
  • Ajackson17
    Ajackson17 Members Posts: 22,501 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Johnny Depp looks native american anyway.
  • lamontbdc
    lamontbdc Members Posts: 18,824 ✭✭✭✭✭
    they got an Italian to play a cuban in scarface and ? love that ignorant ?
  • theBlackbeard
    theBlackbeard Members Posts: 1,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    CopperKing wrote: »
    He is part Native American though technically

    Word. Everybody got Indian in they family huh?

    But what is the Native American community saying about this? Black people like to ? about race, even when it's not our race with the issue. Can't turn a good bitchfest down.

    its not ? ....white people threw a hissy fit when edris played hemdal in thor, when fishburne got to play perry in the new superman, when the creator of ? Of War said if a film was ever played he would like djimoun to play kratos and when spiderman in an alternate universe was killed and a half black half hispanic kid took up the mantel in the comic....

    how is this ? ...just pointing out the hypocrisy of hollywood...

    we dont think a film about a independent african nation will play out good but hey lets make film where a kraka plays a classic indian character

    Because it's been happening since the films were silent. We know they pedigree, but this one here? Not my concern. White people ? are especially not my concern. Because when it all comes down to it, those few rolls given to the actors you named were token black guy rolls for the sake of having a black face in the mix.

    No my point for using the term "? " is because too many people love to talk about the hypocrisy, until they ignore their own. So your concerned with the character not being portrayed by a Native American due to not being authentic to the original Tonto, yet you seem to be ok with the fact that despite there being no blacks in Norse mythology, or at least in the Thor comic books in the movie Idris Elba was among their Norse gods? The same no?

    But I digress. Of course hollywood is racist as ? . If a black man/woman is in a movie they're either single/with some one of another race/? . That black love ? ain't allowed in hollywood. That's an issue. Mainstream (whites) public not wanting to see ? but black movies that make they guilty ? feel good. i.e. The Blind Side, Precious. These are issues. This here? Is a bitchfest like I said.
  • The Lonious Monk
    The Lonious Monk Members Posts: 26,258 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No offense but some of you dudes are dense.

    Changing the race of a fictional character and getting an actor of that race to play the character =/= Getting an actor of a given race to play a stereotypical charicature of another race.

    I'm not saying everyone should be horribly offended by this. I'm not I just thought it was stupid and worth bringing up as a topic of conversation. That said, the reason why this could be offensive shouldn't be as hard to understand as some people are making it seem.
  • Will Munny
    Will Munny Members Posts: 30,199 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It would be really bad if they did some auto-biographical film of someone like Chief Crazy Horse, and then used Johnny Depp.
  • The Lonious Monk
    The Lonious Monk Members Posts: 26,258 ✭✭✭✭✭
    lol I wouldn't put it past them. Maybe they'll do a Bob Marley biopic and use Johnny.
  • Will Munny
    Will Munny Members Posts: 30,199 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 2013
    They would do an auto-biographical film on MLK and use Emile Hircsh as MLK

    They would do an auto-biographical film on Caesar Chavez and use Asian dude from Harold and Kumar as Chavez

    They would do an auto-biographical film on Ghengis Kahn and use Bradley Cooper Genghis Kahn

    They would do an auto-biographical film on Rasputin and use Denzel as Rasputin
  • Anti_matter
    Anti_matter Members Posts: 1,392 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Will Munny wrote: »
    They would do an auto-biographical film on MLK and use Emile Hircsh as MLK

    They would do an auto-biographical film on Caesar Chavez and use Asian dude from Harold and Kumar as Chavez

    They would do an auto-biographical film on Ghengis Kahn and use Bradley Cooper Genghis Kahn

    They would do an auto-biographical film on Rasputin and use Denzel as Rasputin


    they already did that with John Wayne back in 1956...some things never change.

    oc-wayne-khan.jpg

  • Breezy_Kilroy
    Breezy_Kilroy Members Posts: 10,500 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 2013
    He is part Native American though technically

    that white girl can get it!
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    Anyway Hollywood don't give a ? . Depp = money so what's what they are going to do
    they figure if it ain't white it aint right.
  • LUClEN
    LUClEN Members Posts: 20,559 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 2013
    I think it makes you a better actor if you can play someone of an entirely different race & culture and do it well. Word to Deniro being an Italian guy in every movie.
  • Broddie
    Broddie Members Posts: 11,750 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 2013
    Except that Robert DeNiro is of Italian descent. His father's grandparents emigrated from Italy and his last name is Italian for ? 's sake.
  • LUClEN
    LUClEN Members Posts: 20,559 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's what I am saying... he plays the same damn ethnicity every time and it's his own ethnicity. What's so hard about that? He gets praised all the time for it too
  • Broddie
    Broddie Members Posts: 11,750 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Oh I thought you meant that he was a guy with no Italian background always playing Italian characters. My bad.
  • Copper
    Copper Members Posts: 49,532 ✭✭✭✭✭
    CopperKing wrote: »
    He is part Native American though technically

    Word. Everybody got Indian in they family huh?

    But what is the Native American community saying about this? Black people like to ? about race, even when it's not our race with the issue. Can't turn a good bitchfest down.

    its not ? ....white people threw a hissy fit when edris played hemdal in thor, when fishburne got to play perry in the new superman, when the creator of ? Of War said if a film was ever played he would like djimoun to play kratos and when spiderman in an alternate universe was killed and a half black half hispanic kid took up the mantel in the comic....

    how is this ? ...just pointing out the hypocrisy of hollywood...

    we dont think a film about a independent african nation will play out good but hey lets make film where a kraka plays a classic indian character

    Because it's been happening since the films were silent. We know they pedigree, but this one here? Not my concern. White people ? are especially not my concern. Because when it all comes down to it, those few rolls given to the actors you named were token black guy rolls for the sake of having a black face in the mix.

    No my point for using the term "? " is because too many people love to talk about the hypocrisy, until they ignore their own. So your concerned with the character not being portrayed by a Native American due to not being authentic to the original Tonto, yet you seem to be ok with the fact that despite there being no blacks in Norse mythology, or at least in the Thor comic books in the movie Idris Elba was among their Norse gods? The same no?

    But I digress. Of course hollywood is racist as ? . If a black man/woman is in a movie they're either single/with some one of another race/? . That black love ? ain't allowed in hollywood. That's an issue. Mainstream (whites) public not wanting to see ? but black movies that make they guilty ? feel good. i.e. The Blind Side, Precious. These are issues. This here? Is a bitchfest like I said.

    the norse ? in mythology is completley diff. from the Gods of the marvel universe who arent actually gods at all but thier aliens from an ancient world with advanced technology...so ur wrong
    and kratos in the ? of war is not a token character he is the main character...and a black man does the original kratos voice from the game so it would not be too far off...
  • LUClEN
    LUClEN Members Posts: 20,559 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Most white guys don't have the physique to play kratos

    no offense