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Imagine if Martin Luther King Jr. was still here?

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  • mc317mc317 Chief Of Goddamn Station Dark Side of The MoonPosts: 5,548 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Osborne is interviewed in Michael C. Ruppert's book Crossing the Rubicon, calling Ruppert's source Mike Vreeland a "dangle" or piece of intelligence bait.



    “I believe that, from the information I have seen, “Mike” Vreeland tried to pass information to the Canadian government that should have been passed to the US government. This information had to do with the attacks of September 11. Whatever other attempts were made by Vreeland and his attorneys to alert US and Canadian officials of the attacks, it is clear he did pass information about the pending attacks to his guards in August. I am willing to go to the Secretary of the Navy to determine whether or not he was actually a Navy officer.

    “I know that there have been other US citizens with a similar background used on missions similar to what is alleged by Vreeland. This man fits a pattern. I would like for the Secret Sevice to put him on a polygraph.” --LMO


    Leutrell "Mike" Osborne, 26 year veteran CIA Case Officer and Counter Intelligence expert like many African-Americans are somewhat familiar with the now deceased Director of Domestic Intelligence for the FBI, William Sullivan. Most of those who know of him also know that he was killed a week before he was to testify before the House Select Committee on Assassinations in 1977. What can be learned of his career comes from his autobiography (that was completed and published after his untimely death), FBI files, news articles, and press accounts. One thing that rises out of the fog is that Mr. Sullivan directed the 'Destroy King Squad' This was a Covert Action Intelligence Operation whose mission was to destroy the effectiveness of Martin Luther King Jr. If assassination was an authorized tool in their tool-belt then they surely completed their assignment. This squad was part of a larger operation acronymed COINTEL PRO for Counter Intelligence Program.

    Mr. Osborne's knowledge of Bill Sullivan's operations goes far beyond what most know because of his special opportunities to learn of such things as a CIA Case Officer. Even with this special insight still Leutrell has been asking others for more information. One of those he asked was Gary Revel, a special investigator on the King case. Gary had met William Sullivan in 1977 during his investigation of MLK's murder and saw a different side of the man than most. Like the little known fact that William Sullivan became sickened with the FBI's abuse of the basic human rights of others and challenged J. Edgar Hoover the day before he was locked out of his office in 1972. Shortly after that he resigned. Gary remembers that Sullivan had challenged J. Edgar and said 'either you go or I go' and subsequently Sullivan left.

    Another important detail of William Sullivan's life is that a few months before he was to testify before the HSCA he met at least one person, and most likely others, providing information and files that would be the basis of a real investigation designed to find the real killers of King. This also happened in 1977 and because of the government's tampering and interfering with the evidence in the case it is likely that the evidence is lost and will never surface again. Special Investigator Gary Revel's home was ransacked once and then during an eviction all his files on the King case disappeared. William Sullivan's goal was to testify before the public HSCA hearings and lay his cards on the table so to speak. He was going to give the committee and the American people the truth about J. Edgar Hoover's hatred of Martin Luther King Jr. as well as his hatred for President John Kennedy and Presidential Candidate Robert Kennedy. Sullivan's knowledge of how the FBI worked with the CIA when it came to J. Edgar driven plans to neutralize the human rights activities of African-American leaders and their supporters was unique. This knowledge and the evidence he was prepared to present would have given the HSCA the direction it needed to truly uncover and prosecute the perpetrators of the JFK and MLK assassinations. It is no wonder that those who had the most to lose if the truth came out were not unhappy to hear of his 'accidental murder' The official record says that Robert Daniels mistook William Sullivan for a deer while deer hunting and shot and killed him before Bill could make his revelations public.

    Mr. Revel says he is still trying to unravel the bizarre happenings of that year. His brother, his cousin's husband, William Sullivan and 5 other FBI or former FBI officials who could have been valuable to his investigation died mysteriously or were simply killed during that year. Sullivan and the other 5 were scheduled to testify before the committee. Donald Kaylor was a fingerprint expert who had worked on the JFK assassintion evidence. Alan Belmont and Louis Nicholas were both special assistants to J. Edgar Hoover. JFK assassination document examiner and expert James Cadigan was another. J.M. English, an expert on the rifle that supposedly killed President John F. Kennedy and was head of the FBI Forensic Sciences Laboratory was also dispatched. Those who travel to a place beyond reason and continue to try to defend the official stories of lone assassins and thorough investigations simply haven't gotten it yet. When there are so many coincidences any reasonable personwill just know that something is amiss.
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  • 700700 Praying 5 times a day to catch a plug Plap City, FLAPosts: 14,496 ✭✭✭✭✭
    BossBoo wrote: »
    Malcolm >>> King

    KingJamal wrote: »
    @b00kie do u have any Boosie stories u can tell?

    b00kie wrote: »
    KingJamal wrote: »
    @b00kie do u have any Boosie stories u can tell?
    haha He cool man, I wasn't in the streets but

    He was always lil, like 5'3. But a big mouth, couple times nigga had to square up. At the football game he took that stick the drum major had and cracked a nigga over the head w it and broke the stick

    Nigga was cold on the bball court though, I didn't get that starting spot until he stopped coming to school. School let out at 3 we had to stay till the games at 6 so he used to just rap about whatever people talkin about passng time.

    Then he started hanging w C-Loc and them, rappin/hustling whatever, rarely came to school anymore. When he did he would just be Polo down.... come, counting stacks $ at recess, everybody lookin.

    OH and biology class blunt fell out his ear and the teacher tried to grab it. He twist that lady arm grabbed the blunt off the floor n left. lol
    Far from a groupie...but a Boosie story

    Nga was in the club and I was out and about in another state..I was doing business there and decide to step out...and heard dude was going to be at the club on the radio...Now I don't know dude like that..but again my patnas know dude...I goes to the club..dude has his own section in the club..him and his crew and a few women...I walk up to the area and he comes over and he like you be in B.R. and you be wit such and such and I was like yea..he like mayne what you doing out here..I told him.. he was like..mayne you family come on in V.I.P. and get what you want..you want this..you want that..i was like nah..nga handed me a bottle and told me just to take it...again I don't know dude like that to be gettin a bottle..but the love he showed..I see why ngas love this nga down here so much...so I was leaving the club after he performed..nga was like you good you need bread..you need money on a room..and I was like shocked the nga even reached out like that..and I was like nah.. Nga didn't care who you were..if he fucks wit you..he fucks wit you..that's why alot cats fuck wit the lil nga...




    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uMoBtaS-wvg&fb_source=message
  • THIRDSUPREMETHIRDSUPREME TargSettotheDeathLarkKillaNigga Home of the SlavesPosts: 7,518 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ideas? Ideals? How about action? Who do you mentor? What do you do? What actions do you take to improve the spirit of black folks in your community and nationwide. Be honest with yourself.... if the answer is nothing then how do you fix your mouth to speak against someone who does or has? You can't just talk about it you gotta be about it. That goes for all of us who want better for our race.
  • Wild SelfWild Self Posts: 4,226 ✭✭✭✭✭
    NIKE... wrote: »
    No speaker is more powerful than dope and money..

    Folks are too busy treating the symptoms and not the cause..you think a young person is gonna give a fuck about what anybody is saying when he is making more money in a day than most make in 2 weeks?

    You wanna reach the youth, get rid of the drugs and maybe you'll begin to see an impact..crack perverted the efforts of the civil rights movement and destroyed black unity..

    You can get 1000 black leaders to stand up but unless they are willing to tackle the drug problems in black communities, they will be mostly ineffective..these youngsters, get hi, sell dope and fuck bitches..and if they aint sellin, they buyin..

    crack is dead. If it was pills, maybe. Plus pills don't fuck you up as bad as crack. The drug game mostly dried up money wise and most dope dealers are merely collecting scraps. There is a reason why there is less crime than decades past, despite the standard of living going down and less jobs available. Only young dudes you gotta worry about is them CHief Keef niggas.

    IF MLK saw this shit about George Zimmerman's case as well as the rampant black on black violence and hatred, he would speak out against that shit hardcore.

  • Wild SelfWild Self Posts: 4,226 ✭✭✭✭✭
    BossBoo wrote: »
    U see,MLK was by the book. Went to school, was a pastor, very intelligent, two parent household etc, u cant fuck with his resume. I read malcolm x's autobiography several times, its too much for those crakkkas to attack. Both of em workin together woulda been a sight tho

    nigga SAID his name was Martin Luther cause it sounded good..

    nigga cheated in college to pass..

    paid for prostitutes wit the churches money..

    i think that nigga's father went by "Big Daddy" in the streets or somethin..

    jus the simple fact he paid for pussy (white pussy at that) and Malcolm use to put prices on pussy shows how Malcolm was a realer nigga then Michael.. get out of here kid..

    and i can argue King got killed for him communist ties moreso then his "uplifting" of black people..



    SMH @ this. Don't compare leaders and make them fight against each other. We live in the era of globalization, anyway. Integration was inevitable in the 21st century.
  • jay83jay83 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2013
    Considering blacks have been enslaved mentally, and physically for 400 somethin years it could be alot worse.

    Women have been raped, fathers sold off and bred to other human beings to be better slaves. This isnt over a few decades. this is over hundreds of years. You got some people who were born a slave and died a slave. Even after "slavery", its not like whites were saying "sorry bout that slavery thing, its all good now, you can have some of our land since you built most of it anyway."

    There were slaves who didnt know what to do. Then you got the KKK, whites only, colored only. Jim Crow. Its like a movie where everytime we get by one monster, another keeps coming for us. The reason some of us care so much about what whites think is because we were told we werent smarter, or even on the same level as them. And the thing is, we were drinking from "coloreds only" water fountains like yesterday. Not to mention drugs in the community, lack of mentorship, etc.

    If you look back and actually chronicle all the hardships and struggles , Id say we're still here and doing the best with what we have to work with.

    In the words of Patrice "If you think about it, Black people should be flying planes into buildings and forming their own taliban because of the atrocities done to us. We really should be the ones doing terrorist acts, but we havent. Whites are on borrowed time, and deep down they know it."

    Things are bad for us. Weve all seen it firsthand. Drugs, kids havin kids, fathers in prison, violence on each other.
    Its gonna take some time to regroup and get things going in the right direction. But Its quite amazing to see how much blacks have been through and are going through and we still havent given up. For the most part weve handled bad situations the best way you could and kept on going. If you think about it, most individuals who has gone through a tramautic experience take years to heal, and move on. I think blacks are doing the same. The challenging part is not having the victim mentality. To get to a point where we acknowledge that there will always be racism and what happened to our ancestors, yet move on and not rely on one person to save us. If blacks could just get organized more, it would be a great start.
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    Wild Selfdamobb2deepAjackson17
  • NIKE...NIKE... Posts: 3,742 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lol at the die dope game drying up.. Yeah okay fam and I'm an executive working for Goldman/Sachs

  • zombiezombie Posts: 13,450 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2013
    CheifThird wrote: »
    Ideas? Ideals? How about action? Who do you mentor? What do you do? What actions do you take to improve the spirit of black folks in your community and nationwide. Be honest with yourself.... if the answer is nothing then how do you fix your mouth to speak against someone who does or has? You can't just talk about it you gotta be about it. That goes for all of us who want better for our race.

    No action taken without proper sustaining principles will accomplish anything, all gains will be short and they will be lost. Movements centered around one man always fail to accomplish their goals because when that man is gone the movement often dies with him or is made too weak to change things on a grand scale, even worse sometimes the movement and the personage of the people who created it is co-opted by others with their own motives.

    Ideals live on until proven faulty. Mlk dream is on it's last legs. You want action find the proper ideal and principle and live by it everyone you meet in your life bring them to this ideal. A persons actions are a result of their character and a persons character is informed by their ideals and ideas.

    I did not speak against mlk i respect him even through i do not agree with him. You want action but the actions needed now is an internal one.
  • blacktuxblacktux Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭✭✭
    He would see the aftermath of his teachings that we need to "beg white people to enjoy their white luxuries" and be disgusted.
    -Shive-
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  • 700700 Praying 5 times a day to catch a plug Plap City, FLAPosts: 14,496 ✭✭✭✭✭
    NIKE... wrote: »
    Lol at the die dope game drying up.. Yeah okay fam and I'm an executive working for Goldman/Sachs

    crack is dryin up

    if you out there you would see that
    KingJamal wrote: »
    @b00kie do u have any Boosie stories u can tell?

    b00kie wrote: »
    KingJamal wrote: »
    @b00kie do u have any Boosie stories u can tell?
    haha He cool man, I wasn't in the streets but

    He was always lil, like 5'3. But a big mouth, couple times nigga had to square up. At the football game he took that stick the drum major had and cracked a nigga over the head w it and broke the stick

    Nigga was cold on the bball court though, I didn't get that starting spot until he stopped coming to school. School let out at 3 we had to stay till the games at 6 so he used to just rap about whatever people talkin about passng time.

    Then he started hanging w C-Loc and them, rappin/hustling whatever, rarely came to school anymore. When he did he would just be Polo down.... come, counting stacks $ at recess, everybody lookin.

    OH and biology class blunt fell out his ear and the teacher tried to grab it. He twist that lady arm grabbed the blunt off the floor n left. lol
    Far from a groupie...but a Boosie story

    Nga was in the club and I was out and about in another state..I was doing business there and decide to step out...and heard dude was going to be at the club on the radio...Now I don't know dude like that..but again my patnas know dude...I goes to the club..dude has his own section in the club..him and his crew and a few women...I walk up to the area and he comes over and he like you be in B.R. and you be wit such and such and I was like yea..he like mayne what you doing out here..I told him.. he was like..mayne you family come on in V.I.P. and get what you want..you want this..you want that..i was like nah..nga handed me a bottle and told me just to take it...again I don't know dude like that to be gettin a bottle..but the love he showed..I see why ngas love this nga down here so much...so I was leaving the club after he performed..nga was like you good you need bread..you need money on a room..and I was like shocked the nga even reached out like that..and I was like nah.. Nga didn't care who you were..if he fucks wit you..he fucks wit you..that's why alot cats fuck wit the lil nga...




    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uMoBtaS-wvg&fb_source=message
    Wild Selfnumbaz...80's baby
  • Idiopathic JokerIdiopathic Joker PISTOL GRIP PUMP IN MY LAP AT ALL TIMES Working On My LowriderPosts: 45,682 Regulator
    If MLK was alive, that nigga would be tripping in how he outlived his grandfather @Cain1
    Fuck you, I'm a mod
    Ajackson17
  • NIKE...NIKE... Posts: 3,742 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Plap Star wrote: »
    NIKE... wrote: »
    Lol at the die dope game drying up.. Yeah okay fam and I'm an executive working for Goldman/Sachs

    crack is dryin up

    if you out there you would see that
    I'm not talking entirely about crack


  • Wild SelfWild Self Posts: 4,226 ✭✭✭✭✭
    NIKE... wrote: »
    Lol at the die dope game drying up.. Yeah okay fam and I'm an executive working for Goldman/Sachs

    only oldheads are crack fiends nowadays. Ain't no young ass 20 something smoking crack. You better off selling car parts than to sell dope.
  • 700700 Praying 5 times a day to catch a plug Plap City, FLAPosts: 14,496 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wild Self wrote: »
    NIKE... wrote: »
    Lol at the die dope game drying up.. Yeah okay fam and I'm an executive working for Goldman/Sachs

    only oldheads are crack fiends nowadays. Ain't no young ass 20 something smoking crack. You better off selling car parts than to sell dope.

    i wouldnt say that, i kno some young basers

    people i went to school wit, my best friend smoke dope now and he 26
    KingJamal wrote: »
    @b00kie do u have any Boosie stories u can tell?

    b00kie wrote: »
    KingJamal wrote: »
    @b00kie do u have any Boosie stories u can tell?
    haha He cool man, I wasn't in the streets but

    He was always lil, like 5'3. But a big mouth, couple times nigga had to square up. At the football game he took that stick the drum major had and cracked a nigga over the head w it and broke the stick

    Nigga was cold on the bball court though, I didn't get that starting spot until he stopped coming to school. School let out at 3 we had to stay till the games at 6 so he used to just rap about whatever people talkin about passng time.

    Then he started hanging w C-Loc and them, rappin/hustling whatever, rarely came to school anymore. When he did he would just be Polo down.... come, counting stacks $ at recess, everybody lookin.

    OH and biology class blunt fell out his ear and the teacher tried to grab it. He twist that lady arm grabbed the blunt off the floor n left. lol
    Far from a groupie...but a Boosie story

    Nga was in the club and I was out and about in another state..I was doing business there and decide to step out...and heard dude was going to be at the club on the radio...Now I don't know dude like that..but again my patnas know dude...I goes to the club..dude has his own section in the club..him and his crew and a few women...I walk up to the area and he comes over and he like you be in B.R. and you be wit such and such and I was like yea..he like mayne what you doing out here..I told him.. he was like..mayne you family come on in V.I.P. and get what you want..you want this..you want that..i was like nah..nga handed me a bottle and told me just to take it...again I don't know dude like that to be gettin a bottle..but the love he showed..I see why ngas love this nga down here so much...so I was leaving the club after he performed..nga was like you good you need bread..you need money on a room..and I was like shocked the nga even reached out like that..and I was like nah.. Nga didn't care who you were..if he fucks wit you..he fucks wit you..that's why alot cats fuck wit the lil nga...




    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uMoBtaS-wvg&fb_source=message
    THIRDSUPREMENIKE...
  • UndefeatableUndefeatable Posts: 1,970 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If MLK was never killed history might have been different, and in particular the hood may not be what it is. So maybe he would have been relevant to black youth if he were alive. But if the hood were what it is today, chances are that King would largely be irrelevant if he were alive. Older folks would still revere him though.

    What about Malcolm? Some people like to hate on MLK and celebrate Malcolm, but I believe he would have been so outspoken against certain things (like hip hop) that he'd probably be even less relevant.
    Wild Self
  • Swiffness!Swiffness! PART OF THE CONSPIRACY Posts: 10,128 ✭✭✭✭✭
    obviously, MLK Jr. would campaign for Republicans and have a show on Fox News where he'd decry all the rampant anti-white racism destroying this country
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  • Ajackson17Ajackson17 On the shoulders of Giants and Elders in history UniversePosts: 22,495 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MLK had strong concerns that integration was a move that should not have been made towards the end of his life.
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  • bambubambu *Earth & Water* Posts: 3,529 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MLK is still here...............



    Men need images..... Lacking them they invent idols.



  • janklowjanklow god's lonely man. Posts: 8,613 Regulator
    BossBoo wrote: »
    jus the simple fact he paid for pussy (white pussy at that) and Malcolm use to put prices on pussy shows how Malcolm was a realer nigga then Michael.. get out of here kid..
    of course Malcolm's criminal history might also have been a little embellished
    Swiffness! wrote: »
    obviously, MLK Jr. would campaign for Republicans and have a show on Fox News where he'd decry all the rampant anti-white racism destroying this country
    finally, an accurate post

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