Scouting a college QB to draft as your franchise QB

fightforolddc
fightforolddc Members Posts: 981 ✭✭✭✭✭
Everyone knows how important a QB is but disagree about what they want in a QB. You'd think that "talent" should be the most important thing but if you look at the most successful QBs in the league, how many have top-notch skill?

Manning, Brady, Brees are all pretty untalented by traditional standards. None got strong arms or mobility, both of which are considered important, and yet they all are winners with individiual and team accomplishments. Honestly someone with skills and size exactly like Drew Brees in college may not even get drafted in this era.

Then guys like Vick, Cutler, Jake Locker, Freeman who seem to have all the tools but do not meet expectations and disappoint year after year. In this age of strong-armed athletic qbs like RG3, Wilson, Luck, Kaepernick it seems like the pocket QBs are being phased out, but the ones that still around is still ballin (except for Eli M.)

Basically what is it that makes a qb great?



Comments

  • Matt-
    Matt- Members Posts: 21,585 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Manning, Brady, Brees are all pretty untalented by traditional standards. None got strong arms or mobility, both of which are considered important, and yet they all are winners with individiual and team accomplishments.


    seriously?? what traditional standards are you talking about


    Drew Brees in college may not even get drafted in this era.




    what? he may not get drafted in the era that he currently plays in?



    suABsTS.gif
  • fightforolddc
    fightforolddc Members Posts: 981 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nah Im saying a barely 6-foot qb without standout athleticism and average arm strength may not get drafted in 2013. Kellen Moore is the closest comparison in terms of size, skillset and collegiate success and he didn't get drafted.
  • fightforolddc
    fightforolddc Members Posts: 981 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Matt- wrote: »
    Manning, Brady, Brees are all pretty untalented by traditional standards. None got strong arms or mobility, both of which are considered important, and yet they all are winners with individiual and team accomplishments.


    seriously?? what traditional standards are you talking about


    I just said ... none got great arms. Brees is one of the shortest qbs in the league. Manning and Brady two of the most immobile. None have physical gifts like the majority of NFL qbs.

  • Shizlansky
    Shizlansky Members Posts: 35,095 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Brees was athletic in college bruh
  • Young Gunner
    Young Gunner Members Posts: 7,505 ✭✭✭✭✭
    QB's don't have to be mobile like Vick or RG3. They just need to have awareness and be able to move in the pocket when the heat is on them. Manning and Brady rarely get sacked because of a combination of great O-Line play and their instincts in the pocket
  • lord nemesis
    lord nemesis Members Posts: 11,946 ✭✭✭✭✭
    T/S where you going with this ? ?
  • lamontbdc
    lamontbdc Members Posts: 18,824 ✭✭✭✭✭
    All them dudes got great arms. I think Brady & Brees arms have gotten stronger. Peyton always had a strong arm b4 the neck injury.
  • FlightKing
    FlightKing Members Posts: 1,921 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lot of ya'll missing the T/S point. He's saying that the best QBs aren't freaks of nature like the chosen ones are. Brees is undersized, Manning is allergic to running and Tom Brady is surrounded by a glass case in the pocket.

    So in response, it's all subjective on the QB. Really, it's all a gamble. Can't predict Aaron Rodgers would become what he is from Cal just like ? thought Vick would run the league after his first year. The QB position is the most unpredictable in football.
  • caddo man
    caddo man Members Posts: 22,476 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It isnt too many QBs in college that had the hype like Peyton Manning and lived up to it. Through recent history we have anointed alot of these QBs as the one. Tom Brady was a damn backup to somebody that was anointed the one in college. In the end being a professional football players takes alot of determination and hardwork. Everybody not cut out for that life.
  • S2J
    S2J Members Posts: 28,458 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Man what in the complete hell are u talkin about
  • S2J
    S2J Members Posts: 28,458 ✭✭✭✭✭
    FlightKing wrote: »
    Lot of ya'll missing the T/S point. He's saying that the best QBs aren't freaks of nature like the chosen ones are. Brees is undersized, Manning is allergic to running and Tom Brady is surrounded by a glass case in the pocket.

    So in response, it's all subjective on the QB. Really, it's all a gamble. Can't predict Aaron Rodgers would become what he is from Cal just like ? thought Vick would run the league after his first year. The QB position is the most unpredictable in football.

    Now you sound just as dumb as him Lmao

    1) Peyton WAS a freak. Maybe not an athletic freak, but IQ, pedigree, arm, accuracy...he was a 1 of a million prospect

    2) Dont let the media hype fool you. Aaron Rodgers WAS at 1 point projected to be a top 5 pick. In the end, he STILL was a first round drfat pick. He slid b/c thats what happens to QBs, if a team doesnt need 1, they pass even if they may like him. So in comparison to a Brady who went in rd 6, no, Aron Rodgers actually isnt some 'who woulda thunk it' miracle. The ngga was a blue chip recruit and 1st rd pick.
  • S2J
    S2J Members Posts: 28,458 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2013
    Here's the thing...look at the QBs who win Super Bowls. Outside of Brady and Kurt Warner, look at em:

    Flacco, Eli, Rodgers, Rothlisberger, Peyton...all 1st rounders. Brees, who they hype as an 'underdog', was the first pick of the 2nd round, 2nd QB taken..

    Go further back. Even Trent Dilfer...Elway, Favre, Aikman...all 1st or 2nd rounders

    So this perception that the best QBs are 'not talented' is a farce.

    Its the media that hypes any QB not taken in the top 5 as 'underrated'. In reality cmon if u a 2nd round pick u one of the best at your position
  • damobb2deep
    damobb2deep Members Posts: 19,972 ✭✭✭✭✭
    u cant predict who is gonna be good and bad...

    people dont understand that... and the draft is EVERY YEAR.. so yo life expectancy in the nfl is no more then 5-7 years for an average qb.... think about it how long was mark sanchez the jets qb? how long was vince young the titans qb??

    you have 2 be in the conference championship in 4 years or you will be on the chopping block..
  • greenwood1921
    greenwood1921 Members Posts: 47,115 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I know stans won't like this, but real fans know...











    The QB has to match your SYSTEM. Yep, I said the S word. Let's face it, only about 2 maybe 3 QB's in the league right now would be just as effective playing for the Jaguars or some ? .

    Brees was being called average and gimpy in San Diego, and most pundits thought trading him to free up a young phillip rivers was a great move -- now Aint's fans worship him.

    Brady struggled to be the full-time starter in college and now he's worshipped.

    I wasn't impressed with Matt Ryan in college, his first throw in the NFL was a 60-yard TD and his numbers have improved damn near every year since.

    etc, etc,

    And system is more than the playbook. How does the QB's personality match with the coaching staff, with the players, etc? Does the offense highlight his best attributes and disguise his flaws? Is the offensive line and blocking scheme adequate enough to let him do what he does?

    ^^^ All ? that contributes to a QB being a draft bust or a Hall of Fame bust.

    And these "systems" also serve as training wheels. While the system fits them and makes it easier for them early in their careers, it also gives them enough time and comfort to get better at the things that they're not naturally great at.
  • WhoisDonG???
    WhoisDonG??? Members Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Tom Brady was nice in College.. Just was ? over by the overhype Drew Henson who was touted the second coming of Jim Harbaugh. But most the QB's u named were sure fire can't miss prospects ? Drew Brees was that dude at Purdue and had great years at San Diego ? his shoulder up and was written off for dead.. Peyton Manning was touted the next great QB since he was a Freshmen at Tennessee.
  • caddo man
    caddo man Members Posts: 22,476 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2013
    Tom Brady was nice in College.. Just was ? over by the overhype Drew Henson who was touted the second coming of Jim Harbaugh. But most the QB's u named were sure fire can't miss prospects ? Drew Brees was that dude at Purdue and had great years at San Diego ? his shoulder up and was written off for dead.. Peyton Manning was touted the next great QB since he was a Freshman at Isadore Newman.

    Fixed and cosign.

This discussion has been closed.