Black Caesar's Guide To Trading Thread

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black caesar
black caesar Members Posts: 12,036 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited November 2012 in Strictly Business
Well, I think it's time for a Day Trading thread. I know there are some people that post or lurk in the Strictly Business that's probably fascinated about day trading. (I'm one of them.) It needs to be understood, that it takes disciple to be one hell of a trader, not to say that value investing doesn't take discipline and research. It just takes a different type of discipline. I'm by no means an expert, but I've been reading on it since 2009. So if there are people that know more, feel free to post. Learning never stops.

Some people don't believe in trading and likes to play it safe to protect themselves from a price change. (This is also known as hedging.) I see nothing wrong with investing at all. As a matter a fact, I feel investing should be a priority for everyone. You need to understand that if you plan on trading, and you are making unbelievable returns, you really need to take some of those profits, and invest (which means hanging on a stock, EFT, etc) for years or maybe a decade. The trick is to make smart investments to create a new lifestyle for yourself and your love ones and maintain that lifestyle. As Sion and Jay-Z said, "? being rich, let's get wealthy". Truer words were never spoken. "Sion's thread to Investing covers a lot, and I've learned a lot from that thread, and learn something new every time. Be sure to read it. It is essential to your financial future.

Understanding the types of trading

Let me start off by stating that if you have an understanding of investing. most of those lessons will be applied here, however it's worth stating that there are different types of trading.

What is trading? Trading is speculation, not to be confused with gambling. Gambling is when a person is betting with the hopes of luck in a random occurrence to be paid off. I play poker, and even I don't do that ? . I'm an advantage player. In poker, an advantage player, calculates the odds, the number of outs (cards needed to have a winning hands) knows when to commit to his hand, etc because there was research and planning, therefor putting money in with the best chance to gain a profit. Trading is no different, because you'll be doing research, doing technical analysis (we'll get into that later) and watching the markets and news to profit from a price change. In fact, get used to checking the news and watching live streaming stocks daily. From personal experience, I've seen traders use Sunday as a day to prepare for Monday morning. I met a brother in Starbucks who did this. Hell he even did his trading in Starbucks. I still see him in there. lol

Day Trading - Day traders do not hold their securities for more than a day. They close their positions ("cash out" in poker terms) and start all over again the next day. By starting over, I mean starting with other plans that you've created.

Swing Trading - This is when a person holds their position for a few days several days.

Position Trading - This is where a trader holds his position for several weeks to several months. The person is attached to short term price opportunities, but believes he/she can maximize is earnings holding out long enough.

Investing - This is not trading. You're hanging on to your stocks, ETF's etc for the long term. Long term is over a year to a decade.

What does day, swing, and position trading have in common? There all being taxed at the capital gains rate. (Uncle Sam stays winning) To get a tax break, you have to hold on to your investments for exactly one year and one day. Traders don't do this, so their being taxed at the ordinary income rate. I'm still learning this myself.

You know I'm all about dropping links. Here's are the books I started with when it comes to Trading:

Trading For Dummies:

http://lumfile.com/1te0txfyqz5n/Trading.For.Dummies.2nd.Edition.by.Michael.Griffis.Lita.Epstein.MBA.pdf.html

Day Trading For Dummies:


I think I'll go into picking which ECN you want to deal with next.

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  • black caesar
    black caesar Members Posts: 12,036 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I just found out about this book a minute ago, so I haven't read it, but ya'll know I got you with the links:

    Trading In The Zone by Mark Douglas

    http://www.filecrop.com/42992808/index.html
  • A.J. Trillzynski
    A.J. Trillzynski Members Posts: 2,270 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    my wife has a ? job and wants to just stay home so I'm thinking about setting up a full-time Day Trading or Forex operation for us, I can go to work and she can manage the trades if properly educated. First thing I did was buy that Day Trading for Dummies book and she is supposed to be reading it to see if she thinks its something she'd like to do. To start off though let's determine 2 things and get them straight:

    1. how much money are we talking to start up a full-time Day Trading operation?
    2. can females really be successful traders on some Maria Bartiromo ? or do I need to shut down this pipe dream with the quickness before it goes any further?
  • black caesar
    black caesar Members Posts: 12,036 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2016
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    my wife has a ? job and wants to just stay home so I'm thinking about setting up a full-time Day Trading or Forex operation for us, I can go to work and she can manage the trades if properly educated. First thing I did was buy that Day Trading for Dummies book and she is supposed to be reading it to see if she thinks its something she'd like to do. To start off though let's determine 2 things and get them straight:

    1. how much money are we talking to start up a full-time Day Trading operation?
    2. can females really be successful traders on some Maria Bartiromo ? or do I need to shut down this pipe dream with the quickness before it goes any further?

    If you're going to start up a full time day trading operation, first let me say congrats. I'm still trying to get to that point. First you need to deal with a direct access broker, (not a discount broker even though some have ECN access) There are only two that I know of which is Tradestation and Interactive Brokers. I think Lightspeed is another as well. Go here to read the requirements and reviews:

    http://www.brokerage-review.com/

    Tradestation for non-day traders is $5000 to start, but for daytraders it's $30,000. (I got a while before I get there. With Interactive Brokers, the minimum fee is $10,000. It doesn't stop there, because they are direct access, it's software installs on your PC and you have to pay on a monthly basis to use it. In addition, you'll want to subscribe to charts either through them or a third party.
  • black caesar
    black caesar Members Posts: 12,036 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2012
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    Here are some more Trading books you should read:

    The New Market Wizards by Jack D. Schwager

    http://www.mediafire.com/?1tuzxoc3ttl

    Technical Analysis Of The Financial Markets by John Murphy

    http://www.filestube.com/c3lnjQdOWjFwHt7Au099Nw/John-J-Murphy-Technical-Analysis-Of-The-Financial-Markets.html

    Mastering The Trade by John Carter:

    http://depositfiles.com/files/gaxhstdj0

    Volitile Markets Made Easy by Guy Cohen:

    http://ebookbrowse.com/guy-cohen-volatile-markets-made-easy-pdf-d370330250


  • black caesar
    black caesar Members Posts: 12,036 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2013
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    A book I'm reading now:

    Al About Short Selling by Tom Taulli:

    http://uploaded.net/file/otu5p9tq/All.About.Short.Selling.pdf

    The New Sell & Sell Short by Alexander Elder: (It's a mobi file, so use calibre to convert to pdf)

    http://www.filestube.com/t/the+new+sell+sell+short

    Millionaire Traders by Kathy Lien, and Boris Schlossberg:

    http://ebookee.org/go/?u=http://www.2shared.com/document/9KCARM4Q/Millionaire_Traders_How_-_Ever.html
  • kingofharts
    kingofharts Members Posts: 406 ✭✭✭
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    Don't know if I'd recommend day trading, but I do recommend more a hybrid between the value investing buy and hold forever theory and a trading/speculating strategy that fills in some of the not-well answered questions in value investing---like when to sell.

    Good stuff. Jack Schwager actually has about 3 books where he interviewed some of the greatest traders of all time. Very influential in terms of having the right mindstate. Less so in terms of actionable strategies.

    Couple big influences on me:
    How to Make Money in Stocks by William O'Neil
    Trend Following - Michael Covel

    Anyways, happy to see both threads.
  • black caesar
    black caesar Members Posts: 12,036 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Don't know if I'd recommend day trading, but I do recommend more a hybrid between the value investing buy and hold forever theory and a trading/speculating strategy that fills in some of the not-well answered questions in value investing---like when to sell.

    Good stuff. Jack Schwager actually has about 3 books where he interviewed some of the greatest traders of all time. Very influential in terms of having the right mindstate. Less so in terms of actionable strategies.

    Couple big influences on me:
    How to Make Money in Stocks by William O'Neil
    Trend Following - Michael Covel

    Anyways, happy to see both threads.

    I believe in both principles. I haven't started trading yet. But when you start making profits from trading, you put some of it into long term investments. I believe a person can do both.

    Good drop with the books. Wish you had put up some links. lol
  • black caesar
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    Trend Following Updated Edition by Michael Covel

    http://www.bergfiles.com/i/bf551adc0ch32i0
  • A.J. Trillzynski
    A.J. Trillzynski Members Posts: 2,270 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 2014
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    good thread, a lot of good information here.

    One alternative to starting your own operation I am seeing is something called prop firms. These are trading firms that you invest ~ $5k for a lot of training and then they give you access to a large amount of the company's capital to trade with and they take a small cut. From what I've gathered they are a great way to get serious training and get started as a real Trader, you can get enough experience to get hired on to a real firm and get sponsored for your Series 7 exam (license to sell securities/become a broker). Check out Maverick Trading, I here its one of the better ones.