Thoughts on KENTA being signed to the wwe?

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Scandal? Lol the black bed ? for a white man is not a stereotype?

When did I say that it wasn’t? My point is that you still have a black woman leading a hit prime time network tv show. It’s not like there haven’t been white wenches for white men on TV hundreds of times before.14 years ago it would’ve been a white actress in that role. A minority woman headlining an emmy nominated hit show is progress.

Django Unchained, The Help, The Butler, 12 Years A Slave these are progressive? I could have sworn we had movies like those in those in the1970s.

For every one of those there are 4+ movies that challenge racial or gender stereotypes. The American film and TV industry is more progressive than WWE. We’ve had stuff like Haywire, Goodbye Solo, Fruitvale Station, Million Dollar Baby, Brokeback Mountain, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, Dallas Buyers Club, Crash etc. come from that industry in the last 10 years. In the last decade there has been a balance with American movies.

Fruitvale Station isn't exactly a big budget movie now is it? Neither was Blue Caprice but...

Where is the balance in WWE? Is it with Alberto Del Rio playing a typical 80’s telenovela villain? Or is it with Primo and Epico being Matadors? Paige gets the championship and gets no real built. Where’s the equality on Raw or Smackdown?[/quote]
ADR isn't playing a character based on his nationality. He played a character that was along the same lines as JBL and Ted DiBiase.

The reason epico and primo are matadors are because they couldn't get over before. You barked up the wrong tree with Latinos because if there are any minorities WWE has pushed it was Latinos.

Women being prominently featured more on television is a good point but WWE gave the women their own show, which they promote religiously and even attempt to build storylines from and for, the basic fact is nobody cares.

Nobody cares because it caters to an audience outside of the ones who watch the wrestling product. If they actually gave them storylines that were relevant to Raw and Smackdown and built up their characters by you know actually presenting them in competition and being athletes on the shows the wrestling fans watch maybe people would actually give a ? .

Okay well explain why there isn't any other women's promotion on national TV? If things are so progressive then obviously that would be the case eh?

And like I said they have tried making storyline based around Total Divas

I do find it interesting that you talk about a transgendered person winning an Emmy when just a few weeks ago you were complaining that Adam Rose was "too feminine" or lightweight ? or some ? , which to be honest isn't far from what I think but I don't hate the gimmick because it's faggy, I don't like it because it's a stupid gimmick altogether.

Apples and oranges.

I’m pointing out progress in mainstream pop culture by pointing out an emmy nomination. I don’t give a ? what people identify as be who you are. The difference between that and Adam Rose is that Adam Rose is on a TV show where men are supposed to be competing in sports competition grabbing their butts and openly flirting with them.

And yet Brokeback mountain is one of your examples of progressive cinema? Where two tough guy cowboys are in a relationship? Smh

Adam Rose has actually even offended ? people and who could blame them for being offended. There's not more room for the whole "It’s every bad ? stereotype on blatant display. It sticks out like a sore thumb on the show. If WWE were really progressive they’d book their openly ? wrestler Darren Young on his own merits and give him AR’s TV time. That’s certainly more realistic and relatable to straight and ? people alike. Characters like Adam Rose are regressive not progressive.

Adam Rose isn't explicitly ? and they don't promote him as a ? character. If they had actually tried to push him as a homosexual character then you would have a point.

Besides as far as women's rights goes WWE had a woman actually beating men in the ring 15 years ago, you talk about transgendered rights? Goldust debuted in 1995! Just because that ? doesn't go on today doesn't mean it never took place.

15 years ago and 19 years ago is not today. Sorry but that’s just how it is. We’re talking about 2 to 3 new generations since that point in the world today.

They have been ahead of the curve, doing this type of stuff long before society was ready that's the point.

WWE HAD real women wrestlers from 1993-1995 and nobody have a damn until they started getting naked and doing playboy covers.

People did give a damn. Bull Nakano Vs. Alundra Blayze at Summerslam is still considered a GOAT match from that era by WWF fans. Maybe not WWE fans but that’s because a lot of them are 12 years old and didn’t grow up in that era. But anybody that knows their WWF history would know what that is about. Today however Vince would not allow women to steal the show on that level ever again. That’s my point. It’s regressive not progressive behavior.

Who the hell says Alundra Blayze vs Bull Nakano is a classic??

Like I said the women didnt get much attention until they started getting naked.

How many black action stars do you have in Hollywood? Rock and who else?

Today?

Denzel Washington and Will Smith, Sam Jackson, Michael Jai White. In the past? Wesley, Richard Roundtree, Sidney Poiteir. There are a lot of young black actors too getting shot in headlining action and sci-fi today like Michael B. Jordan with Creed and Fantastic Four. I don’t see any black man, Asian man or even another latino (Del Rio won’t be main event level ever again) or other minority reigning as WWE champ anytime soon. OK I’ll say that I guess the Samoan/Italian dude counts but aside from that it will be a while before you see anyone else.

I would hardly call Denzel or Sam Jackson "action stars" as it belittles all the other great movies they did, but I'll give you Denzel but Sam Jackson will do a movie about laundry detergent just to do it so he doesn't count.

Michael Jai White isn't even a "star" dude basically does B Movies and Michael B Jordan was in one action movie and hes an action star? The bar must be really low. I'm surprised you didn't say Tyler Perry. [/quote]

Word whoever said Michael Jai White is a star is lying. He's a great B Movie star though. Anyway, I don't ever see WWE Having a Black champion. Atleast TNA did it first and again when having Killings as NWA TNA champ and Lashley as TNA Heavyweight Champ.