The United States Instigated World War 2- Things Never Change

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indyman87
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edited September 2014 in The Social Lounge

Today they're doing the same thing with Syria, Libya, Ukraine, Russia etc...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcEPJC3JeoA#t=72

Wow. Can't believe I'm empathising with ? .
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  • Stiff
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    i think you might be kinda oversimplifying history..it's not like germany was just sitting up chillin minding their own business
  • janklow
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    some problems with this:
    --World War II did not start in 1941;
    --Germany was involved in some notable political arrangements that had nothing to do with the US that were explicitly designed to chop up other nations;
    --YOU'RE COSIGNING ?
  • Got Em Shook
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  • zombie
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    total ? before attacking anyone the ? planned to go to war
  • DoUwant2go2Heaven
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    The mistress of witchcraft has been wicked since her childhood. Americas treacherous dealings stretch further back than WW2.

    "Keep on, then, with your magic spells and with your many sorceries, which you have labored at since childhood. Perhaps you will succeed, perhaps you will cause terror." Isaiah 47:12

    The context is the fall of Babylon, which of course has near and far fulfillment on the total prophetic chapter.

    And the evidence can be seen with the wipeout of the native Americans and the enslavement of Africans.

    The wickedness of Babylon the Great has overrun the whole world now. And soon ? will judge her severely! In 1 day and in 1 hour. Amen.

    "Therefore hear this now, you who are given to pleasures, who dwell securely, who say in your heart, I am, and there is no one else besides me; I shall not sit as a widow, nor shall I know the loss of children'; But these two things shall come to you in a moment, in one day: The loss of children, and widowhood. They shall come upon you in their fullness because of the multitude of your sorceries, for the great abundance of your enchantments." Isaiah 47:8-9

    Amen.
  • reapin505
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    Just move the ? out the country already and destroy your ? computer while you're at it jesus ? christ. Always quoting scripture for needless ?
    Stiff wrote: »
    i think you might be kinda oversimplifying history..it's not like germany was just sitting up chillin minding their own business
    janklow wrote: »
    some problems with this:
    --World War II did not start in 1941;
    --Germany was involved in some notable political arrangements that had nothing to do with the US that were explicitly designed to chop up other nations;
    --YOU'RE COSIGNING ?

    Also thank you two for actually dropping credible knowledge in what will be a cesspool of a thread
  • kingblaze84
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    America wasn't 100% innocent leading up to WW2, ? had some good points on that but ? was no angel himself. He was making plans for war in Europe already according to ? documents, so ? could not act surprised America was making moves to protect Britain. The video is interesting though, only because America really is destabilizing the world in so many ways now and ? said America did the same in the 1930s and 40s....

    But ? did the same ? in the end and much worse
  • indyman87
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    Like they say the Victor of war writes the History. Growing up we were all taught that ? was this all emcompassing evil that had to be destroyed. But has adults I would think that we should take a step back and examine all of the evidence.

    The Queen of England originally came from Germany. they changed their name to make sound more 'English'.

    http://german.about.com/library/bltrivia_windsor.htm
    The House of Windsor
    The Windsor name now used by Queen Elizabeth II and other British royals only dates back to 1917. Before that the British royal family bore the German name Saxe-Coburg-Gotha (Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha in German). Why the drastic name change?

    1917 is a very significant year because in 1917 the King of England's cousin Nicholas the last Tsar of Russia was captured and eventually executed in 1918. Nichlas the Tsar of Russia also came from Germany. Their family bloodline took over the Russian Monarchy after the Ryruk Dynasty died off.

    There are rumors on the internet that the US was behind the coupe that dethroned the Russian Tsar. millions of people died in Russia after 1918 so I'm thinking that maybe that part of Germany's reasons for attacking Russia could be for revenge.

  • The_Jackal
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    janklow wrote: »
    some problems with this:
    --World War II did not start in 1941;
    --Germany was involved in some notable political arrangements that had nothing to do with the US that were explicitly designed to chop up other nations;
    --YOU'RE COSIGNING ?

    This. The fact you can find even a little empathy fir ? is ridiculous
  • achewon87
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    SMH...

    Not even sure where to start with this, but I think you should read up on the Reichstag fire, it's important because it shows what tactics the ? 's used in order to come to full power and wipe out the opposition, in this case the German Communist Party...
  • indyman87
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    We live in a corrupt, evil World so all Countries did or have the potential to do horrendous acts to keep their land secure or for whatever reasons. I think it's just interesting to read a different point of view. But let's face facts. the United States rule the World. They have done and will continue to do evil acts to stay on top. We dropped the bomb on Japan twice remember?
  • Maximus Rex
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    indyman87 wrote: »
    But let's face facts. the United States rule the World. They have done and will continue to do evil acts to stay on top.

    Okay, let's do what you just said and review the facts. At the on set of the Second World War, the U.S. was regarded as the second rate power, (with the United Kingdom [with their empire that the sun never sat on,] and arguably Germany and Japan as the world's most powerful nations.

    If Hirohito and Tojo'em knew that the U.S. would basically ? slap them all over the Pacific, (after getting the Pacific fleet back up,) Toyko would be fire bombed, and two cities would be obliterated, it's fair to say that they would have thought twice before attacking Pearl Harbor. The United States emerged from WW II superpower not before.

    indyman87 wrote: »
    We dropped the bomb on Japan twice remember?

    What's your point. We're the Allies supposed to continue it's island hoping campaign, continue fire bombing cities, and use a million man army to invade, capture, and hold each island in the Japanese archipelago? Muthafuckas seem to forget that the Japanese mindset was that of Islamic extremists of today and they didn't believe in surrender. Every Japanese man, woman, and child was prepared to fight to the death for Emperor. As much as muthafuckas hate to admit it, Fat Man and Little Boy saved lives. Also dude, before you comment on history, you should know it.
  • reapin505
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    If we didn't drop the bombs there would have been millions dead on both sides. Japan wasn't nothing to ? with even at the end of the war on their home turf. As horrible and ? up it was to drop the bombs it had to be done
  • indyman87
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    indyman87 wrote: »
    But let's face facts. the United States rule the World. They have done and will continue to do evil acts to stay on top.

    Okay, let's do what you just said and review the facts. At the on set of the Second World War, the U.S. was regarded as the second rate power, (with the United Kingdom [with their empire that the sun never sat on,] and arguably Germany and Japan as the world's most powerful nations.

    If Hirohito and Tojo'em knew that the U.S. would basically ? slap them all over the Pacific, (after getting the Pacific fleet back up,) Toyko would be fire bombed, and two cities would be obliterated, it's fair to say that they would have thought twice before attacking Pearl Harbor. The United States emerged from WW II superpower not before.

    indyman87 wrote: »
    We dropped the bomb on Japan twice remember?

    What's your point. We're the Allies supposed to continue it's island hoping campaign, continue fire bombing cities, and use a million man army to invade, capture, and hold each island in the Japanese archipelago? Muthafuckas seem to forget that the Japanese mindset was that of Islamic extremists of today and they didn't believe in surrender. Every Japanese man, woman, and child was prepared to fight to the death for Emperor. As much as muthafuckas hate to admit it, Fat Man and Little Boy saved lives. Also dude, before you comment on history, you should know it.

    You are spitting out History from the United States point of view. There is a fair amount of evidence that the US for whatever reason provoked Japan to attack them.
  • CashmoneyDux
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    indyman87 wrote: »
    But let's face facts. the United States rule the World. They have done and will continue to do evil acts to stay on top.

    Okay, let's do what you just said and review the facts. At the on set of the Second World War, the U.S. was regarded as the second rate power, (with the United Kingdom [with their empire that the sun never sat on,] and arguably Germany and Japan as the world's most powerful nations.

    If Hirohito and Tojo'em knew that the U.S. would basically ? slap them all over the Pacific, (after getting the Pacific fleet back up,) Toyko would be fire bombed, and two cities would be obliterated, it's fair to say that they would have thought twice before attacking Pearl Harbor. The United States emerged from WW II superpower not before.

    indyman87 wrote: »
    We dropped the bomb on Japan twice remember?

    What's your point. We're the Allies supposed to continue it's island hoping campaign, continue fire bombing cities, and use a million man army to invade, capture, and hold each island in the Japanese archipelago? Muthafuckas seem to forget that the Japanese mindset was that of Islamic extremists of today and they didn't believe in surrender. Every Japanese man, woman, and child was prepared to fight to the death for Emperor. As much as muthafuckas hate to admit it, Fat Man and Little Boy saved lives. Also dude, before you comment on history, you should know it.

    c/s everything except this. Look at the repercussions it had to this day. But good ? , T/S is dumb as hell.
  • indyman87
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    Maybe the United States true role in the World is to destroy Nations? Some disagree but I really believe that the US is Babylon/? . They destroyed Libya. Before the invasion Libya had a high standard of living and free Healthcare.

    http://www.countercurrents.org/cramer040511.htm
    Before US-NATO Invasion, Libya Had The Highest
    Human Development Index , The Lowest Infant Mortality,
    The Highest Life Expectancy In All Of Africa

    By Mary Lynn Cramer

    04 May, 2011
    Countercurrents.org

    (MY RESPONSE TO A READER WHO NOTED I SHOULD HAVE SAID “HIGHEST HUMAN DEVELOLPMENT INDEX IN AFRICA”, NOT “HIGHEST STANDARD OF LIVING IN THE ARAB WORLD” IN MY PREVIOUS ESSAY “THREE QUESTION QUIZ FOR LEFTIST LIBERALS”...HE IS, OF COURSE, CORRECT. Please See Explanation Below. MLC)

    Before the USNATO and “rebels” began their murderous and destructive attacks on the Libyans and their government, people In Libya had the highest gross domestic product (GDP) at purchasing power parity (PPP) per capita of all of Africa. The government took care to ensure that everyone in the country shared in the wealth. Libya had the highest Human Development Index of any country on the continent. In Libya, a lower percentage of people lived below the poverty line than in the Netherlands....Libya ranked 61st, with a lower incarceration rate than Czech republic. It had the lowest infant mortality rate of all of Africa. Libya had the highest life expectancy of all of Africa, less than 5% of the population was undernourished, In response to the rising food prices around the world, the government of Libya abolished all taxes on food. (Taken from “World Cheers as the CIA Plunges Libya into Chaos” by David Rothscum, Axis of Logic, 2/27/11)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMjXbuj7BPI#t=87
  • zombie
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    one of the best things america ever did was bomb the ? out of japan we should have went on right ahead and bombed the ? out or russia like general patton would have wanted.
  • indyman87
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    indyman87 wrote: »
    But let's face facts. the United States rule the World. They have done and will continue to do evil acts to stay on top.

    Okay, let's do what you just said and review the facts. At the on set of the Second World War, the U.S. was regarded as the second rate power, (with the United Kingdom [with their empire that the sun never sat on,] and arguably Germany and Japan as the world's most powerful nations.

    If Hirohito and Tojo'em knew that the U.S. would basically ? slap them all over the Pacific, (after getting the Pacific fleet back up,) Toyko would be fire bombed, and two cities would be obliterated, it's fair to say that they would have thought twice before attacking Pearl Harbor. The United States emerged from WW II superpower not before.

    indyman87 wrote: »
    We dropped the bomb on Japan twice remember?

    What's your point. We're the Allies supposed to continue it's island hoping campaign, continue fire bombing cities, and use a million man army to invade, capture, and hold each island in the Japanese archipelago? Muthafuckas seem to forget that the Japanese mindset was that of Islamic extremists of today and they didn't believe in surrender. Every Japanese man, woman, and child was prepared to fight to the death for Emperor. As much as muthafuckas hate to admit it, Fat Man and Little Boy saved lives. Also dude, before you comment on history, you should know it.

    c/s everything except this. Look at the repercussions it had to this day. But good ? , T/S is dumb as hell.

    What? How is my post dumb as hell? I made no judgement on why the US dropped the bomb but it's obvious that when they did it was a very horrendous act. You haven't seen the pictures of people's face melting off?
  • indyman87
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    zombie wrote: »
    one of the best things america ever did was bomb the ? out of japan we should have went on right ahead and bombed the ? out or russia like general patton would have wanted.

    That's the coward way out. IMO.
  • achewon87
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    indyman87 wrote: »
    indyman87 wrote: »
    But let's face facts. the United States rule the World. They have done and will continue to do evil acts to stay on top.

    Okay, let's do what you just said and review the facts. At the on set of the Second World War, the U.S. was regarded as the second rate power, (with the United Kingdom [with their empire that the sun never sat on,] and arguably Germany and Japan as the world's most powerful nations.

    If Hirohito and Tojo'em knew that the U.S. would basically ? slap them all over the Pacific, (after getting the Pacific fleet back up,) Toyko would be fire bombed, and two cities would be obliterated, it's fair to say that they would have thought twice before attacking Pearl Harbor. The United States emerged from WW II superpower not before.

    indyman87 wrote: »
    We dropped the bomb on Japan twice remember?

    What's your point. We're the Allies supposed to continue it's island hoping campaign, continue fire bombing cities, and use a million man army to invade, capture, and hold each island in the Japanese archipelago? Muthafuckas seem to forget that the Japanese mindset was that of Islamic extremists of today and they didn't believe in surrender. Every Japanese man, woman, and child was prepared to fight to the death for Emperor. As much as muthafuckas hate to admit it, Fat Man and Little Boy saved lives. Also dude, before you comment on history, you should know it.

    You are spitting out History from the United States point of view. There is a fair amount of evidence that the US for whatever reason provoked Japan to attack them.

    Japan attacked China and Russia a few years before attacking the US...

    Japan was a war mongering nation that was thirsty for China's natural resources...

    Google Nanshin-ron to get an understanding of Japan's mindset going into the war...
  • indyman87
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    achewon87 wrote: »
    indyman87 wrote: »
    indyman87 wrote: »
    But let's face facts. the United States rule the World. They have done and will continue to do evil acts to stay on top.

    Okay, let's do what you just said and review the facts. At the on set of the Second World War, the U.S. was regarded as the second rate power, (with the United Kingdom [with their empire that the sun never sat on,] and arguably Germany and Japan as the world's most powerful nations.

    If Hirohito and Tojo'em knew that the U.S. would basically ? slap them all over the Pacific, (after getting the Pacific fleet back up,) Toyko would be fire bombed, and two cities would be obliterated, it's fair to say that they would have thought twice before attacking Pearl Harbor. The United States emerged from WW II superpower not before.

    indyman87 wrote: »
    We dropped the bomb on Japan twice remember?

    What's your point. We're the Allies supposed to continue it's island hoping campaign, continue fire bombing cities, and use a million man army to invade, capture, and hold each island in the Japanese archipelago? Muthafuckas seem to forget that the Japanese mindset was that of Islamic extremists of today and they didn't believe in surrender. Every Japanese man, woman, and child was prepared to fight to the death for Emperor. As much as muthafuckas hate to admit it, Fat Man and Little Boy saved lives. Also dude, before you comment on history, you should know it.

    You are spitting out History from the United States point of view. There is a fair amount of evidence that the US for whatever reason provoked Japan to attack them.

    Japan attacked China and Russia a few years before attacking the US...

    Japan was a war mongering nation that was thirsty for China's natural resources...

    Google Nanshin-ron to get an understanding of Japan's mindset going into the war...

    As I said in my posts above all Countries do dirt. I think Japan's conflict with China and Russia are about the ownership of some Islands.
  • zombie
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    indyman87 wrote: »
    zombie wrote: »
    one of the best things america ever did was bomb the ? out of japan we should have went on right ahead and bombed the ? out or russia like general patton would have wanted.

    That's the coward way out. IMO.

    since when is killing your potential enemy the coward way out?? and in war at that level there is only win or lose get that romantic ? out of your head. had america been willing to make that sacrifice then the whole would have been different and the last 70 years of human history unimaginable
  • achewon87
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    indyman87 wrote: »
    achewon87 wrote: »
    indyman87 wrote: »
    indyman87 wrote: »
    But let's face facts. the United States rule the World. They have done and will continue to do evil acts to stay on top.

    Okay, let's do what you just said and review the facts. At the on set of the Second World War, the U.S. was regarded as the second rate power, (with the United Kingdom [with their empire that the sun never sat on,] and arguably Germany and Japan as the world's most powerful nations.

    If Hirohito and Tojo'em knew that the U.S. would basically ? slap them all over the Pacific, (after getting the Pacific fleet back up,) Toyko would be fire bombed, and two cities would be obliterated, it's fair to say that they would have thought twice before attacking Pearl Harbor. The United States emerged from WW II superpower not before.

    indyman87 wrote: »
    We dropped the bomb on Japan twice remember?

    What's your point. We're the Allies supposed to continue it's island hoping campaign, continue fire bombing cities, and use a million man army to invade, capture, and hold each island in the Japanese archipelago? Muthafuckas seem to forget that the Japanese mindset was that of Islamic extremists of today and they didn't believe in surrender. Every Japanese man, woman, and child was prepared to fight to the death for Emperor. As much as muthafuckas hate to admit it, Fat Man and Little Boy saved lives. Also dude, before you comment on history, you should know it.

    You are spitting out History from the United States point of view. There is a fair amount of evidence that the US for whatever reason provoked Japan to attack them.

    Japan attacked China and Russia a few years before attacking the US...

    Japan was a war mongering nation that was thirsty for China's natural resources...

    Google Nanshin-ron to get an understanding of Japan's mindset going into the war...

    As I said in my posts above all Countries do dirt. I think Japan's conflict with China and Russia are about the ownership of some Islands.

    They took the capital of China and major cities...

    SMH...

    Islands...
  • zombie
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    achewon87 wrote: »
    indyman87 wrote: »
    achewon87 wrote: »
    indyman87 wrote: »
    indyman87 wrote: »
    But let's face facts. the United States rule the World. They have done and will continue to do evil acts to stay on top.

    Okay, let's do what you just said and review the facts. At the on set of the Second World War, the U.S. was regarded as the second rate power, (with the United Kingdom [with their empire that the sun never sat on,] and arguably Germany and Japan as the world's most powerful nations.

    If Hirohito and Tojo'em knew that the U.S. would basically ? slap them all over the Pacific, (after getting the Pacific fleet back up,) Toyko would be fire bombed, and two cities would be obliterated, it's fair to say that they would have thought twice before attacking Pearl Harbor. The United States emerged from WW II superpower not before.

    indyman87 wrote: »
    We dropped the bomb on Japan twice remember?

    What's your point. We're the Allies supposed to continue it's island hoping campaign, continue fire bombing cities, and use a million man army to invade, capture, and hold each island in the Japanese archipelago? Muthafuckas seem to forget that the Japanese mindset was that of Islamic extremists of today and they didn't believe in surrender. Every Japanese man, woman, and child was prepared to fight to the death for Emperor. As much as muthafuckas hate to admit it, Fat Man and Little Boy saved lives. Also dude, before you comment on history, you should know it.

    You are spitting out History from the United States point of view. There is a fair amount of evidence that the US for whatever reason provoked Japan to attack them.

    Japan attacked China and Russia a few years before attacking the US...

    Japan was a war mongering nation that was thirsty for China's natural resources...

    Google Nanshin-ron to get an understanding of Japan's mindset going into the war...

    As I said in my posts above all Countries do dirt. I think Japan's conflict with China and Russia are about the ownership of some Islands.

    They took the capital of China and major cities...

    SMH...

    Islands...

    he seems to be confusing the current tension over the sengoku iskads with the actions of ww2
  • janklow
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    indyman87 wrote: »
    Like they say the Victor of war writes the History.
    on the other hand, ? wrote Mein Kampf and the Nazis kept meticulous records. so you could just read what the losers wrote as well and get an idea.
    indyman87 wrote: »
    the United States rule the World. They have done and will continue to do evil acts to stay on top. We dropped the bomb on Japan twice remember?
    i will see your "bombed a nation that attacked us" and reply with "? of Nanking, ? of Nanking, ? of Nanking"
    indyman87 wrote: »
    You are spitting out History from the United States point of view. There is a fair amount of evidence that the US for whatever reason provoked Japan to attack them.
    ironically, i can use my post again!
    "? of Nanking, ? of Nanking, ? of Nanking"