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  • cainvelasquez
    cainvelasquez Members Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Long term safety of America means:

    Less evil foreign policies
    No more financial support for the apartheid and terrorist state of Israel
    Less stupid and reckless wars

    If America does those things, it will have less enemies around the world. The war on terror is going nowhere as it is

    They will have to if they want to enjoy prosperity. Alot of countries are out growing Europe now. These eurocentrists think they can dog around the world but those days are long gone. I can see America changing their approach to the world soon.
  • Kakarot
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    It's unfortunate people are suffering in N. Korea and the world is powerless to do anything simply because we're shook of China/Russia.
  • zombie
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    Long term safety of America means:

    Less evil foreign policies
    No more financial support for the apartheid and terrorist state of Israel
    Less stupid and reckless wars

    If America does those things, it will have less enemies around the world. The war on terror is going nowhere as it is

    They will have to if they want to enjoy prosperity. Alot of countries are out growing Europe now. These eurocentrists think they can dog around the world but those days are long gone. I can see America changing their approach to the world soon.

    If that happens the world will be descend into darkness because very few nations around the world give a ? about the well being of the world. Europe has not been central to the world since ww2 EUROPE is now a far leftist madhouse they are only now starting to regrow some ?

    Africa is growing very fast but it's still a basket case

    Asia is walking on thin ice, tensions are at an all time high in north east asia JAPAN is re-arming and china is starving for resources, north korea is a concentration camp nation.

    russia is making all of eastern europe worry again.

    western europe is in political and cultural turmoil.

    I mean who is going to keep order in this world???? china, russia,saudi arabia,south africa, nigeria, india
  • janklow
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    Yeah the deaths from Vietnam can be vague but everyone can agree a WHOLE lot of people died when America escalated the war, especially with the chemical and munition bombs.
    well, yes, a whole lot of people died when America escalated the war, but that's not the same thing as "America killed millions" (which i suppose avoids the question of "who's responsible for the war"), right?
    also, "munition bombs?"
    Other sources put America's toll much higher but the bottom line is the USA needs to stop getting involved in bad wars that hurt its reputation worldwide and don't do much else.
    fine, but i am nitpicking these numbers

  • kingblaze84
    kingblaze84 Members Posts: 14,288 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    janklow wrote: »
    Yeah the deaths from Vietnam can be vague but everyone can agree a WHOLE lot of people died when America escalated the war, especially with the chemical and munition bombs.
    well, yes, a whole lot of people died when America escalated the war, but that's not the same thing as "America killed millions" (which i suppose avoids the question of "who's responsible for the war"), right?
    also, "munition bombs?"
    Other sources put America's toll much higher but the bottom line is the USA needs to stop getting involved in bad wars that hurt its reputation worldwide and don't do much else.
    fine, but i am nitpicking these numbers

    Who was most responsible for the Vietnam War? The Vietnamese I suppose, but it would have never gotten so big and ? if America didn't escalate things. The CIA I believe admitted in the 1960s that most of the Vietnamese wanted a socialist or communist system, but the south Vietnamese leader asked Americans to help him stop the spread of communism. Once America bought into that, thanks to bad decision making from JFK, things got much, much worse and ? for the people of Vietnam. JFK was said to regret getting America involved. Nitpicking the numbers is fine but there's no reason 58,000 Americans should have died in a wasteful war like that.

    And munition bombs are cluster bombs, usually ones that don't involve chemical weapons.
  • kingblaze84
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    zombie wrote: »
    Long term safety of America means:

    Less evil foreign policies
    No more financial support for the apartheid and terrorist state of Israel
    Less stupid and reckless wars

    If America does those things, it will have less enemies around the world. The war on terror is going nowhere as it is

    They will have to if they want to enjoy prosperity. Alot of countries are out growing Europe now. These eurocentrists think they can dog around the world but those days are long gone. I can see America changing their approach to the world soon.

    If that happens the world will be descend into darkness because very few nations around the world give a ? about the well being of the world. Europe has not been central to the world since ww2 EUROPE is now a far leftist madhouse they are only now starting to regrow some ?

    Africa is growing very fast but it's still a basket case

    Asia is walking on thin ice, tensions are at an all time high in north east asia JAPAN is re-arming and china is starving for resources, north korea is a concentration camp nation.

    russia is making all of eastern europe worry again.

    western europe is in political and cultural turmoil.

    I mean who is going to keep order in this world???? china, russia,saudi arabia,south africa, nigeria, india

    Where the hell is America keeping order?? We already went into how America has a history of destabilizing nations. Stop it man, China is keeping NK in check too, and don't even act like America is keeping Russia in check. Russia does what it wants and it has more nuclear weapons then America now. If Russia wants to do something, IT WILL.

    Iran has been ? around with American troops up and down Yemen, their militias forced Americans to leave at GUNPOINT a few weeks ago. AND they told the American soldiers a few weeks ago to leave their weapons. We already went over how the Taliban run most of Afghanistan and ISIS is running wild in at least 4 nations now.
  • kingblaze84
    kingblaze84 Members Posts: 14,288 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Long term safety of America means:

    Less evil foreign policies
    No more financial support for the apartheid and terrorist state of Israel
    Less stupid and reckless wars

    If America does those things, it will have less enemies around the world. The war on terror is going nowhere as it is

    They will have to if they want to enjoy prosperity. Alot of countries are out growing Europe now. These eurocentrists think they can dog around the world but those days are long gone. I can see America changing their approach to the world soon.

    I sincerely hope so....this constant warfare ? isn't working and is only making things worse.
  • zombie
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    zombie wrote: »
    Long term safety of America means:

    Less evil foreign policies
    No more financial support for the apartheid and terrorist state of Israel
    Less stupid and reckless wars

    If America does those things, it will have less enemies around the world. The war on terror is going nowhere as it is

    They will have to if they want to enjoy prosperity. Alot of countries are out growing Europe now. These eurocentrists think they can dog around the world but those days are long gone. I can see America changing their approach to the world soon.

    If that happens the world will be descend into darkness because very few nations around the world give a ? about the well being of the world. Europe has not been central to the world since ww2 EUROPE is now a far leftist madhouse they are only now starting to regrow some ?

    Africa is growing very fast but it's still a basket case

    Asia is walking on thin ice, tensions are at an all time high in north east asia JAPAN is re-arming and china is starving for resources, north korea is a concentration camp nation.

    russia is making all of eastern europe worry again.

    western europe is in political and cultural turmoil.

    I mean who is going to keep order in this world???? china, russia,saudi arabia,south africa, nigeria, india

    Where the hell is America keeping order?? We already went into how America has a history of destabilizing nations. Stop it man, China is keeping NK in check too, and don't even act like America is keeping Russia in check. Russia does what it wants and it has more nuclear weapons then America now. If Russia wants to do something, IT WILL.

    Iran has been ? around with American troops up and down Yemen, their militias forced Americans to leave at GUNPOINT a few weeks ago. AND they told the American soldiers a few weeks ago to leave their weapons. We already went over how the Taliban run most of Afghanistan and ISIS is running wild in at least 4 nations now.

    We went over it already and you made a horrible argument. Russia is basically a dying society their entire economy is based on oil and they are in population decline. And Russia is basically now a local power they can only bully the small/weak states that surround them.

    China will economically play games but militarily they won't go to far. They are already literally surrounded by American allies and military.

    The muslim world is a disaster mostly because they are killing themselves but out of the multiplicity of nations in this world most are stable. And America being the reserve currency we decide a lot of the world's financial stability.

  • zombie
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    Russia no longer has the world wide scope of america and China cares nothing for other nations. It is the USA that keeps the world stable in more ways that one.

    China has influence in nk but realistically nk has no interest in a fight they can barely feed their army. And our ally sk believes they will collapse eventually it's just a Matter of time so they are no real threat
  • zombie
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    The number one danger to the world is weak American leadership like what we have seen from these last two presidents
  • kingblaze84
    kingblaze84 Members Posts: 14,288 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    zombie wrote: »
    zombie wrote: »
    Long term safety of America means:

    Less evil foreign policies
    No more financial support for the apartheid and terrorist state of Israel
    Less stupid and reckless wars

    If America does those things, it will have less enemies around the world. The war on terror is going nowhere as it is

    They will have to if they want to enjoy prosperity. Alot of countries are out growing Europe now. These eurocentrists think they can dog around the world but those days are long gone. I can see America changing their approach to the world soon.

    If that happens the world will be descend into darkness because very few nations around the world give a ? about the well being of the world. Europe has not been central to the world since ww2 EUROPE is now a far leftist madhouse they are only now starting to regrow some ?

    Africa is growing very fast but it's still a basket case

    Asia is walking on thin ice, tensions are at an all time high in north east asia JAPAN is re-arming and china is starving for resources, north korea is a concentration camp nation.

    russia is making all of eastern europe worry again.

    western europe is in political and cultural turmoil.

    I mean who is going to keep order in this world???? china, russia,saudi arabia,south africa, nigeria, india

    Where the hell is America keeping order?? We already went into how America has a history of destabilizing nations. Stop it man, China is keeping NK in check too, and don't even act like America is keeping Russia in check. Russia does what it wants and it has more nuclear weapons then America now. If Russia wants to do something, IT WILL.

    Iran has been ? around with American troops up and down Yemen, their militias forced Americans to leave at GUNPOINT a few weeks ago. AND they told the American soldiers a few weeks ago to leave their weapons. We already went over how the Taliban run most of Afghanistan and ISIS is running wild in at least 4 nations now.

    We went over it already and you made a horrible argument. Russia is basically a dying society their entire economy is based on oil and they are in population decline. And Russia is basically now a local power they can only bully the small/weak states that surround them.

    China will economically play games but militarily they won't go to far. They are already literally surrounded by American allies and military.

    The muslim world is a disaster mostly because they are killing themselves but out of the multiplicity of nations in this world most are stable. And America being the reserve currency we decide a lot of the world's financial stability.

    Well if you're going to ignore how America has helped destabilize many nations, that's on you. The world hasn't forgotten and Russia is WAY beyond a local power, are you ? kidding me? They just signed joint deals with Egypt and some other nations, including some Latin American ones. Vietnam lets Russian bombers use their airspace, something the White House isn't happy about. And Russia has nuclear weapons and plasma technology that can hide airplanes from anyone, they can bully almost anyone IF they wanted to.

    China is another nation that's gonna do what it wants, don't fool yourself, America being allied with a nation these days doesn't mean a whole lot, word to Yemen and Iraq. I'm not saying America is weak or powerless, obviously it's not but don't exaggerate. America having the world's reserve currency is its biggest strength, true but America can't rely on that forever. You sound silly saying America provides all this "stability" when America has helped destabilize more nations then any other I can think of now.
  • kingblaze84
    kingblaze84 Members Posts: 14,288 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    zombie wrote: »
    The number one danger to the world is weak American leadership like what we have seen from these last two presidents

    Guess which nation poses the number one danger to the world according to world polls and surveys LOL......stop smoking that laced out hashish, it's ? with your brain. Go read up on the 5 million refugees in Iraq created by the dumb and stupid Iraq War. More Iraqis suffer from refugee status then any other nation in the world, and that's before ISIS. Stop making ? up.
  • kingblaze84
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    The problem isn't "weak" American leadership, it's BAD American leadership
  • zombie
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    zombie wrote: »
    zombie wrote: »
    Long term safety of America means:

    Less evil foreign policies
    No more financial support for the apartheid and terrorist state of Israel
    Less stupid and reckless wars

    If America does those things, it will have less enemies around the world. The war on terror is going nowhere as it is

    They will have to if they want to enjoy prosperity. Alot of countries are out growing Europe now. These eurocentrists think they can dog around the world but those days are long gone. I can see America changing their approach to the world soon.

    If that happens the world will be descend into darkness because very few nations around the world give a ? about the well being of the world. Europe has not been central to the world since ww2 EUROPE is now a far leftist madhouse they are only now starting to regrow some ?

    Africa is growing very fast but it's still a basket case

    Asia is walking on thin ice, tensions are at an all time high in north east asia JAPAN is re-arming and china is starving for resources, north korea is a concentration camp nation.

    russia is making all of eastern europe worry again.

    western europe is in political and cultural turmoil.

    I mean who is going to keep order in this world???? china, russia,saudi arabia,south africa, nigeria, india

    Where the hell is America keeping order?? We already went into how America has a history of destabilizing nations. Stop it man, China is keeping NK in check too, and don't even act like America is keeping Russia in check. Russia does what it wants and it has more nuclear weapons then America now. If Russia wants to do something, IT WILL.

    Iran has been ? around with American troops up and down Yemen, their militias forced Americans to leave at GUNPOINT a few weeks ago. AND they told the American soldiers a few weeks ago to leave their weapons. We already went over how the Taliban run most of Afghanistan and ISIS is running wild in at least 4 nations now.

    We went over it already and you made a horrible argument. Russia is basically a dying society their entire economy is based on oil and they are in population decline. And Russia is basically now a local power they can only bully the small/weak states that surround them.

    China will economically play games but militarily they won't go to far. They are already literally surrounded by American allies and military.

    The muslim world is a disaster mostly because they are killing themselves but out of the multiplicity of nations in this world most are stable. And America being the reserve currency we decide a lot of the world's financial stability.

    Well if you're going to ignore how America has helped destabilize many nations, that's on you. The world hasn't forgotten and Russia is WAY beyond a local power, are you ? kidding me? They just signed joint deals with Egypt and some other nations, including some Latin American ones. Vietnam lets Russian bombers use their airspace, something the White House isn't happy about. And Russia has nuclear weapons and plasma technology that can hide airplanes from anyone, they can bully almost anyone IF they wanted to.

    China is another nation that's gonna do what it wants, don't fool yourself, America being allied with a nation these days doesn't mean a whole lot, word to Yemen and Iraq. I'm not saying America is weak or powerless, obviously it's not but don't exaggerate. America having the world's reserve currency is its biggest strength, true but America can't rely on that forever. You sound silly saying America provides all this "stability" when America has helped destabilize more nations then any other I can think of now.

    America has destabilized nations in the past especially during the cold war but that was for the greater good of wining the cold war. You can only list a few nations that are negatively affected by American power I can list dozens that benefit from it.

    Are any of those deals Russia signed with other nations going to allow military protection ??? Or allow military interference ??? Or are they mostly just economic. Because America has militariy bases all over the planet and Russia does not.

  • zombie
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    Russian money is trash and their society is weak they won't be achieving global power status with useless money a weak economy and dropping population numbers. To make it worse Their entire governmental structure is flawed.
  • zombie
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    The problem isn't "weak" American leadership, it's BAD American leadership

    Bad is weak Obama has been a horrible president when it comes to foreign policy.
  • zombie
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    The major world powers in the future will be America and China Russia's time is over america is a bright society russia is a dying one by 2050 their population will be just 109 million and many russians are already dying in urkraine
  • kingblaze84
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    zombie wrote: »
    zombie wrote: »
    zombie wrote: »
    Long term safety of America means:

    Less evil foreign policies
    No more financial support for the apartheid and terrorist state of Israel
    Less stupid and reckless wars

    If America does those things, it will have less enemies around the world. The war on terror is going nowhere as it is

    They will have to if they want to enjoy prosperity. Alot of countries are out growing Europe now. These eurocentrists think they can dog around the world but those days are long gone. I can see America changing their approach to the world soon.

    If that happens the world will be descend into darkness because very few nations around the world give a ? about the well being of the world. Europe has not been central to the world since ww2 EUROPE is now a far leftist madhouse they are only now starting to regrow some ?

    Africa is growing very fast but it's still a basket case

    Asia is walking on thin ice, tensions are at an all time high in north east asia JAPAN is re-arming and china is starving for resources, north korea is a concentration camp nation.

    russia is making all of eastern europe worry again.

    western europe is in political and cultural turmoil.

    I mean who is going to keep order in this world???? china, russia,saudi arabia,south africa, nigeria, india

    Where the hell is America keeping order?? We already went into how America has a history of destabilizing nations. Stop it man, China is keeping NK in check too, and don't even act like America is keeping Russia in check. Russia does what it wants and it has more nuclear weapons then America now. If Russia wants to do something, IT WILL.

    Iran has been ? around with American troops up and down Yemen, their militias forced Americans to leave at GUNPOINT a few weeks ago. AND they told the American soldiers a few weeks ago to leave their weapons. We already went over how the Taliban run most of Afghanistan and ISIS is running wild in at least 4 nations now.

    We went over it already and you made a horrible argument. Russia is basically a dying society their entire economy is based on oil and they are in population decline. And Russia is basically now a local power they can only bully the small/weak states that surround them.

    China will economically play games but militarily they won't go to far. They are already literally surrounded by American allies and military.

    The muslim world is a disaster mostly because they are killing themselves but out of the multiplicity of nations in this world most are stable. And America being the reserve currency we decide a lot of the world's financial stability.

    Well if you're going to ignore how America has helped destabilize many nations, that's on you. The world hasn't forgotten and Russia is WAY beyond a local power, are you ? kidding me? They just signed joint deals with Egypt and some other nations, including some Latin American ones. Vietnam lets Russian bombers use their airspace, something the White House isn't happy about. And Russia has nuclear weapons and plasma technology that can hide airplanes from anyone, they can bully almost anyone IF they wanted to.

    China is another nation that's gonna do what it wants, don't fool yourself, America being allied with a nation these days doesn't mean a whole lot, word to Yemen and Iraq. I'm not saying America is weak or powerless, obviously it's not but don't exaggerate. America having the world's reserve currency is its biggest strength, true but America can't rely on that forever. You sound silly saying America provides all this "stability" when America has helped destabilize more nations then any other I can think of now.

    America has destabilized nations in the past especially during the cold war but that was for the greater good of wining the cold war. You can only list a few nations that are negatively affected by American power I can list dozens that benefit from it.

    Are any of those deals Russia signed with other nations going to allow military protection ??? Or allow military interference ??? Or are they mostly just economic. Because America has militariy bases all over the planet and Russia does not.

    Russia has military pacts with several nations, Georgia, South Ossetia, huge parts of eastern Ukraine, Venezuela I think, Vietnam, Iran, Syria, and to a large degree Iraq. Iraqis are buying tons of helicopters from Russia, one reason ISIS has targeted Russia in its videos. There are more but these are the nations that are off the top of my head.

    And America has destabilized nations the last few decades too, you forgot about Libya and Iraq already?? One can make an argument America helped destabilize Ukraine. America has protection pacts with many nations true but so does China and bunch of other nations. America isn't the only one "protecting" nations.

    Your posts on Russia have some truth, I'm not here to defend Russia but its military is still extremely powerful and killing a whole lot of Ukrainian soldiers, DESPITE America's little protection pact with Ukraine. Don't think for a second the world isn't noticing this. Putin is as strong as he's ever been and he's still sending tanks to eastern Ukraine, blowing up Ukrainian soldiers ever few days. America's ability to "protect" is OVERRATED, ask the Iraqis how good that protection pact is working out.
  • zombie
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    zombie wrote: »
    zombie wrote: »
    zombie wrote: »
    Long term safety of America means:

    Less evil foreign policies
    No more financial support for the apartheid and terrorist state of Israel
    Less stupid and reckless wars

    If America does those things, it will have less enemies around the world. The war on terror is going nowhere as it is

    They will have to if they want to enjoy prosperity. Alot of countries are out growing Europe now. These eurocentrists think they can dog around the world but those days are long gone. I can see America changing their approach to the world soon.

    If that happens the world will be descend into darkness because very few nations around the world give a ? about the well being of the world. Europe has not been central to the world since ww2 EUROPE is now a far leftist madhouse they are only now starting to regrow some ?

    Africa is growing very fast but it's still a basket case

    Asia is walking on thin ice, tensions are at an all time high in north east asia JAPAN is re-arming and china is starving for resources, north korea is a concentration camp nation.

    russia is making all of eastern europe worry again.

    western europe is in political and cultural turmoil.

    I mean who is going to keep order in this world???? china, russia,saudi arabia,south africa, nigeria, india

    Where the hell is America keeping order?? We already went into how America has a history of destabilizing nations. Stop it man, China is keeping NK in check too, and don't even act like America is keeping Russia in check. Russia does what it wants and it has more nuclear weapons then America now. If Russia wants to do something, IT WILL.

    Iran has been ? around with American troops up and down Yemen, their militias forced Americans to leave at GUNPOINT a few weeks ago. AND they told the American soldiers a few weeks ago to leave their weapons. We already went over how the Taliban run most of Afghanistan and ISIS is running wild in at least 4 nations now.

    We went over it already and you made a horrible argument. Russia is basically a dying society their entire economy is based on oil and they are in population decline. And Russia is basically now a local power they can only bully the small/weak states that surround them.

    China will economically play games but militarily they won't go to far. They are already literally surrounded by American allies and military.

    The muslim world is a disaster mostly because they are killing themselves but out of the multiplicity of nations in this world most are stable. And America being the reserve currency we decide a lot of the world's financial stability.

    Well if you're going to ignore how America has helped destabilize many nations, that's on you. The world hasn't forgotten and Russia is WAY beyond a local power, are you ? kidding me? They just signed joint deals with Egypt and some other nations, including some Latin American ones. Vietnam lets Russian bombers use their airspace, something the White House isn't happy about. And Russia has nuclear weapons and plasma technology that can hide airplanes from anyone, they can bully almost anyone IF they wanted to.

    China is another nation that's gonna do what it wants, don't fool yourself, America being allied with a nation these days doesn't mean a whole lot, word to Yemen and Iraq. I'm not saying America is weak or powerless, obviously it's not but don't exaggerate. America having the world's reserve currency is its biggest strength, true but America can't rely on that forever. You sound silly saying America provides all this "stability" when America has helped destabilize more nations then any other I can think of now.

    America has destabilized nations in the past especially during the cold war but that was for the greater good of wining the cold war. You can only list a few nations that are negatively affected by American power I can list dozens that benefit from it.

    Are any of those deals Russia signed with other nations going to allow military protection ??? Or allow military interference ??? Or are they mostly just economic. Because America has militariy bases all over the planet and Russia does not.

    Russia has military pacts with several nations, Georgia, South Ossetia, huge parts of eastern Ukraine, Venezuela I think, Vietnam, Iran, Syria, and Iraq. Iraqis are buying tons of helicopters from Russia, one reason ISIS has targeted Russia in its videos. There are more but these are the nations that are off the top of my head.

    And America has destabilized nations the last few decades too, you forgot about Libya and Iraq already?? One can make an argument America helped destabilize Ukraine. America has protection pacts with many nations true but so does China and bunch of other nations. America isn't the only one "protecting" nations.

    Your posts on Russia have some truth, I'm not here to defend Russia but its military is still extremely powerful and killing a whole lot of Ukrainian soldiers, DESPITE America's little protection pact with Ukraine. Don't think for a second the world isn't noticing this. Putin is as strong as he's ever been and he's still sending tanks to eastern Ukraine, blowing up Ukrainian soldiers ever few days. America's ability to "protect" is OVERRATED, ask the Iraqis how good that protection pact is working out.

    All the nation's you listed already have bad relationships with America so there friendship with Russ makes sense. However they are all weak nations.

    China's involvement in international security is extremely limited, they do nothing and the entirety of Asia is turning against them due to their aggressive economic grabs in the south east Asia sea.

    Quite frankly Europe doesn't want America to be more aggressive in Ukraine so our hands are somewhat tied. Russia has the appearance of strength but it's actually weak you know how many Russian soldiers have died since the thing with Ukraine started over 3000 And it's only been about a year. And they are not dying by ieds

    Our ability to protect is overrated???? We protect the vast majority of the world.if a few places in the world are ? up then so be it no system is perfect. we maintain stability not utopia.
  • zombie
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    People usually liberals like to point at the few places in the world that are ? up and say "see look America has failed" but they leave out the fact that the vast majority of the world is stable largely due to the threat of force from the American military and our dollar.
  • janklow
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    Who was most responsible for the Vietnam War? The Vietnamese I suppose, but it would have never gotten so big and ? if America didn't escalate things.
    well, if you want to blame in on something MAJOR, then it's the French for handling the colony post-WW2. if you want blame something very specific, i think you have to blame North Vietnam for starting (in some form) the actual war.
    Nitpicking the numbers is fine but there's no reason 58,000 Americans should have died in a wasteful war like that.
    conversely, though, the latter doesn't really need crazy numbers to be made as an argument, does it?
    And munition bombs are cluster bombs, usually ones that don't involve chemical weapons.
    i think you call them cluster bombs, is the thing