STEROIDS, PRO-HORMONES, HGH, PEPTIDES, ON & POST CYCLE THERAPY, EPHEDRA, ? SUPPLEMENTS

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  • waterproof
    waterproof Members Posts: 9,412 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Test boosters didn't do ? for me, doing my research on test-e now, ready to take it to another level, first question I got for yall because even just the little bit I been reading about it people often cycle test-e with another steroid so what type of gains should I expect if I take test-e alone? Is it considered stupid to take it alone?

    your first cycle run it solo, you need to know how it effects your body, how does it make you feel. Do not go over 1cc On Monday and 1 cc on thursday that's 500mg that's all you need on your first cycle.....eat, rest, hit the weights hard and you will grow. go through the this thread and read on Test E so you know what are you doing, your support supplements ect
  • its....JOHN B
    its....JOHN B Members Posts: 19,830 ✭✭✭✭✭
    waterproof wrote: »
    Test boosters didn't do ? for me, doing my research on test-e now, ready to take it to another level, first question I got for yall because even just the little bit I been reading about it people often cycle test-e with another steroid so what type of gains should I expect if I take test-e alone? Is it considered stupid to take it alone?

    your first cycle run it solo, you need to know how it effects your body, how does it make you feel. Do not go over 1cc On Monday and 1 cc on thursday that's 500mg that's all you need on your first cycle.....eat, rest, hit the weights hard and you will grow. go through the this thread and read on Test E so you know what are you doing, your support supplements ect

    Good look, plan on starting Monday after the 4th
  • dwade206
    dwade206 Members Posts: 11,558 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Test-booster are absolute garbage. Btw, I'm taking BCAA's. I heard it's good for recovery while lifting. So far so good.
  • its....JOHN B
    its....JOHN B Members Posts: 19,830 ✭✭✭✭✭
    BCAA's are a must, I throw a scoop in my protein drink along with creatine, I can't get a straight answer when it comes to supplements so I drink about 20 grams of protein with creatine and bcaa's before my workout and about 55 grams after, before I would only take creatine on lifting days because I was on a budget but I'm trying to get it in every day now along with 250g+ of protein, bcaa's only on lifting days, probably not perfect but I'm getting results, been going ape ? in the gym getting my diet/supps/workout plan in check for when I start cycling test e
  • its....JOHN B
    its....JOHN B Members Posts: 19,830 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My connect is trying to get me to cycle tren with test right off the jump, he can't stop praising it, going to pass on that though, maybe a 2nd cycle
  • its....JOHN B
    its....JOHN B Members Posts: 19,830 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Do yall get blood work done before/during/after every cycle?
  • waterproof
    waterproof Members Posts: 9,412 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 2016
    Understanding Steroid Cycles

    Anabolic/androgenic steroids are not medically approved to promote excessive muscle mass gains (bodybuilding) or improve athletic performance. Aside from early experimentation on athletes by a handful of sports physicians, an extensive effort to study the physique- and performance-enhancing properties of these drugs, specifically with an eye on developing strategies for using them to maximize benefits and minimize adverse effects, has not been undertaken by the medical community. Because of this, illicit users have been left to develop their own protocols for administering these drugs. The result has been a large variety of different approaches to using these agents, some safer or more effective than others. While it would not be possible to comprehensively evaluate all known approaches, this section will discuss some of the most fundamental and time-proven methods for using AAS. Steroid Selection When first considering what steroid(s) to use, one will notice there are many different medications that fall under the category of anabolic/androgenic steroids. This has been the result of many years of development, where specific patients and needs are addressed with drugs that have specific characteristics. For example, some drugs are considered milder (less androgenic), and produce fewer side effects in women and children. Others are more androgenic, which makes them better at supporting sexual functioning in men. Some are injectable medications, and others made for oral administration. There are limits to this diversity, however. All AAS drugs activate the same cellular receptor, and as such share similar protein anabolizing properties. In other words, while different AAS drugs may have some differing properties, if your objective is to gain muscle mass and strength, this could be accomplished with virtually any one of the commercially available agents. While all AAS drugs may be capable of improving muscle mass, strength, and performance, it would not be correct to say there are no advantages to choosing one agent over another for a particular purpose. Most fundamentally, the quantity and quality of muscle gained may be different from one agent to another. In a general sense, AAS that are also estrogenic tend to be more effective at promoting increases in total muscle size. These steroids also tend to produce visible water (and sometimes fat) retention, however, and are generally favored when raw size is more important than muscle definition. Drugs with low or no significant estrogenicity tend to produce less dramatic size gains in comparison, but the quality is higher, with greater visible muscularity and definition. In reviewing the most popular AAS drugs, we can separate them into these two main categories as follows.

  • waterproof
    waterproof Members Posts: 9,412 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Mass (Bulking): Methandrostenolone – Oral Oxymetholone – Oral Testosterone (cypionate, enanthate) – Injectable Lean Mass: Boldenone undecylenate – Injectable Methenolone enanthate – Injectable Nandrolone decanoate – Injectable Oxandrolone – Oral Stanozolol – Oral The early stages of AAS use usually involve cycles with a single anabolic/androgenic steroid. Building muscle mass is the most common goal, and usually entails the use of one of the more androgenic substances such as testosterone, methandrostenolone, or oxymetholone. Those looking for lean mass often find favor in such anabolic staples as nandrolone decanoate, oxandrolone, or stanozolol. First time users rarely welcome injecting anabolic/androgenic steroids, and will usually choose an oral compound for the sake of convenience. Methandrostenolone is the most common choice for mass building, and is almost universally regarded as highly effective and only moderately problematic (in terms of estrogenic or androgenic side effects). Stanozolol is the oral anabolic steroid most often preferred for improving lean mass or athletic performance. The potential for adverse reactions should also be considered when choosing a steroid to use, especially if AAS use is to be regularly repeated. For example, the listed oral medications present greater strain on the cardiovascular system, and are also liver toxic. For these reasons, the injectable medications listed are actually preferred for safety (testosterone most of all). Potential cosmetic side effects may also be taken into account. For example, men with a strong sensitivity to gynecomastia sometimes prefer non-estrogenic drugs such as methenolone, stanozolol, or oxandrolone. Individuals worried about hair loss, on the other hand, may isolate their use to predominantly anabolic drugs, such as nandrolone, methenolone, and oxandrolone. A detailed review of personal goals, health status, and potential side effects of each drug is advised before committing to any AAS regimen

  • waterproof
    waterproof Members Posts: 9,412 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Dosage The dosage used is important in determining the level of benefit received. Anabolic/androgenic steroids tend to be most efficient at promoting muscle gains when taken at a moderately supratherapeutic dosage level. Below this (therapeutic), potential anabolic benefits are often counterbalanced, at least to some extent, by the suppression of endogenous testosterone. At very high doses (excessive supratherapeutic), smaller incremental gains are noticed (diminishing returns). In the case of testosterone enanthate or cypionate, for example, a dosage of 100 mg per week is considered therapeutic, and is generally insufficient for noticing strong anabolic benefits. When the dosage is in the 200-600 mg per week range, however, the drug is highly efficient at supporting muscle growth (moderate supratherapeutic). Above this range, a greater level of muscle gain may be noticed, but the amount will be small in comparison to the dosage increase. Below are some commonly recommended dosages for the steroids listed earlier.

    Boldenone undecylenate: 200-400 mg/wk Methandrostenolone: 10-30 mg/day Methenolone enanthate: 200-400 mg/wk Nandrolone decanoate: 200-400 mg/wk Oxandrolone: 10-30 mg/day Oxymetholone: 50-100 mg/day Stanozolol: 10-30 mg/day Stanozolol: 10-30 mg/day Testosterone (cypionate, enanthate): 200-600 mg/wk

    There are additional considerations other than the cost effectiveness of a particular dosage. To begin with, high doses of anabolic/androgenic steroids tend to produce stronger negative cosmetic, psychological, and physical side effects. In light of diminishing returns, the tradeoff between results and adverse reactions becomes less and less favorable. Gains made on lower doses also tend to be better retained after steroid discontinuance than those resulting from excessive intake. It is generally not realistic to expect that rapid double-digit weight gains induced by massive dosing will remain long after a cycle is over. Slower steadier gains are advised. It is also very important to remember that higher doses aren’t always what are needed to achieve greater gains. An individual more focused on his or her training and diet will often make better gains on lower dosages of AAS than a less dedicated individual taking higher doses. With this understanding, AAS should only be considered when all other variables of training and diet have been addressed, and always limited to the minim
    um dosage necessary to achieve the next realistic training/performance goal.


  • white sympathizer
    white sympathizer Members Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2016



    ? would be dangerous, shorty arms almost as big as mines
  • waterproof
    waterproof Members Posts: 9,412 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wonder Woman ?
  • waterproof
    waterproof Members Posts: 9,412 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2016
    About to start this SARM Cycle,first time running SARM94e6dwgnn18x.jpg
  • LUClEN
    LUClEN Members Posts: 20,559 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm disappointed in you fam. Sarms are wack compared to real gear. They're not even as strong as prohormones
  • waterproof
    waterproof Members Posts: 9,412 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2016
    LUClEN wrote: »
    I'm disappointed in you fam. Sarms are wack compared to real gear. They're not even as strong as prohormones

    Have faith young meathead (No Greek) I'm still about the oil, I got a 3 month Tren and Test Sus cycle coming up, this cycle is to get my body in anabolic state expect to get 8 to 15 pounds of Gainz, nothing beats real gear but Sarms and peptides does have it's benefits
  • white sympathizer
    white sympathizer Members Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭✭
  • waterproof
    waterproof Members Posts: 9,412 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Just Injected 1 cc of Test Sus 300
    1cc of Test E 250 = 550 of total test, 1cc of Masteron and 1 cc of Tren E, 1st Week of 16 week cycle of Test Sus

    Entering 3rd week of 8 weeks SARM Ostra Lean and in the 6 week of Ostra throwing in YK 11 SARM for 4 weeks....
  • waterproof
    waterproof Members Posts: 9,412 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Higher testosterone levels typically mean:

    Stronger libido
    Better erections
    Strength and muscle gains
    Better mood
    Increased feeling of overall well being
  • waterproof
    waterproof Members Posts: 9,412 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2016
    Starting Cycle
  • pachá12
    pachá12 Members Posts: 1,134 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Isn't this taxing in your kidneys?
  • LUClEN
    LUClEN Members Posts: 20,559 ✭✭✭✭✭
    @waterproof what's good with albuterol / Helios?

    I'm hearing good ? . Apparently it's only a little weaker than clen but doesn't have half the sides
  • waterproof
    waterproof Members Posts: 9,412 ✭✭✭✭✭
    LUClEN wrote: »
    @waterproof what's good with albuterol / Helios?

    I'm hearing good ? . Apparently it's only a little weaker than clen but doesn't have half the sides

    Almost the same as ephredra, go cheaper and get Sudafed, Caffeine and aspirin for a cheap ECA stack, but

    Albuterol Dosage
    As with nearly all sympathomimetic stimulant based fat loss compounds (and most fat loss compounds in general), the Albuterol doses for the purpose of performance and physique enhancement are generally inflexible. Albuterol is utilized in much the same manner that Clenbuterol or Ephedrine is utilized. Albuterol doses and the protocols in which it is used is actually more similar to Ephedrine than it is to Clenbuterol, although Albuterol’s effects at the cellular level are identical as a beta-2 receptor adrenergic agonist. The manner in which Albuterol doses are administered is closer to Ephedrine in that the half-lives of both compounds are very similar (3 – 6 hours). However, the general manner of use of all stimulants for the purpose of fat loss is normally uniform in the following fashion: a peak dose is selected, which is the maximal daily dose that will be used during the cycle for fat loss. The first several days (normally spanning the first week or two) of use, the dose will be slowly ramped upwards until the final peak dose is achieved, after which the user will remain at the peak dose for the duration of use.

    Unlike its close brother Clenbuterol, which is measured in micrograms (mcg), Albuterol doses are measured in milligrams (mg). This is an important point to be remembered, as the various measurements in dosing between not just the many stimulants, but also among the many different performance enhancing drugs, can be very confusing at times (especially for those unfamiliar with chemistry and dosing instructions and measurements).

    Because Albuterol is a beta-2 receptor agonist, like Clenbuterol (and any/all beta-2 receptor agonists), it will over time slowly down regulate the beta-2 receptors[1]. This is especially true under chronic daily use, which is necessary for the fat loss effects that result from Albuterol doses. The beta-2 receptor down regulation will manifest itself as a reduction in effective fat loss over time until no additional fat loss is experienced from Albuterol (which normally takes 2 – 4 weeks to occur, depending on the individual). There are two possible methods of up regulating these receptors, with the first being simple time off the drug (2 weeks minimum or longer). The second method would be through the use of Ketotifen, an anti-histamine drug normally used as an allergy medication, which actively up-regulates these beta-2 receptors[2]. In such an instance, Ketotifen can be utilized at a dose of 2mg every night before bed for 7 days whenever beta-2 receptor down regulation has become significant. This will allow continuous use of Albuterol without the need for breaks. Albuterol, nor any stimulant, should be used chronically at fat loss doses for periods greater than 8 weeks.

    Medical Albuterol Dosage

    Albuterol is used medically for the treatment and management of asthma, bronchospasm, and to a lesser extent, COPD (chronic obstructive pulmonary disease). For these treatments, Albuterol doses is normally that of 2 – 4mg administered 3 – 4 times daily in tablet/oral format. Each Albuterol dosage is to be spaced evenly apart so as to avoid any unnecessary overlapping build-up of blood plasma levels of the stimulant.

    Albuterol Dosage for Fat Loss

    Even though Albuterol has demonstrated a greater degree of proven anabolic capability in humans, it is almost exclusively utilized as a fat loss agent. Even so, the Albuterol dosages required for the anabolic effects are the exact same doses required for the fat loss effects as well. Albuterol doses for either goals are typically the same for all three user tiers (beginner, intermediate, and advanced) due to the fact that there is very little inflexibility with the doses required for various effects from a stimulant such as Albuterol. As previously mentioned, Albuterol doses should be slowly ramped upwards until the peak dose is achieved, and the peak optimal dose might be different for different individuals (some individuals might be more sensitive to stimulants than others). This is why the dose can be slowly adjusted upwards, so as to assess tolerance and determine the best effective Albuterol doses
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  • waterproof
    waterproof Members Posts: 9,412 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A peak fat burning Albuterol dose is normally that of 16 – 24mg per day. Being that nearly all Albuterol tablets are dosed at 4mg per tablet, this would in other words be a total of 4 – 8 tablets per day. This peak dose should be separated into evenly spaced administrations throughout the day. For example, if a peak dose of 16mg/day is desired, then the user will generally administer either 8mg twice daily, or 4mg four times daily. An example of these types of Albuterol doses are as follows:

    Albuterol use at 24mg/day total (peak dose)
    – 8:00am: 8mg of Albuterol
    – 12:00pm: 8mg of Albuterol
    – 4:00pm: 8mg of Albuterol

    Albuterol doses can be split up in even more frequent administrations than the example listed above if the individual desires. It has been mentioned twice already that individuals should ideally slowly ramp the dose upwards at the beginning of use, especially for beginners or individuals who are very sensitive to stimulants. Note that how fast an individual ramps their dose upwards is also a factor that varies between individuals and their personal preference (some might prefer to ramp their Albuterol dosages up once every 3 days, while others might prefer to increase the dose once every 6 days). The following is a general example of ramping up (also known as titrating upwards)

    Albuterol doses:

    Outline of Proper Ramp-Up Dosing Protocol (for Albuterol at 24mg/day total peak dose)
    – Day 1: 8mg of Albuterol
    – Day 4: 16mg of Albuterol
    – Day 8: 24mg of Albuterol
    The user now remains at 24mg/day for the duration of the Albuterol cycle.

    Female Albuterol Dosage

    The female response to Albuterol is the exact same as the male response, with the only difference being perhaps a variation in the peak dose and/or the slow ramp-up period. Females might exhibit greater sensitivity to Albuterol doses due to the fact that females generally tend to comprise a lower overall body mass and body weight. The same ramp-up protocols should be observed by females, with more attention paid to the individual response and comfort ability. When a comfortable and tolerable Albuterol dosages is achieved, the female can elect to stop at said dose and remain at that peak dose for the duration of use.

    Proper Administration and Timing of Albuterol Dosages

    Albuterol possesses a half-life of 4 – 6 hours, which necessitates a more frequent multiple-times-per-day dosing schedule, as outlined above. Users will typically spread their Albuterol doses evenly apart throughout the day among 3 – 4 (or more, depending on user preference) administrations. Those who enjoy Albuterol over Clen normally do so because of its shorter half-life, allowing almost all administrations early in the day with little interference of sleeping patterns at night compared to Clenbuterol.

    Expectations and Results from Albuterol Dosages

    With a caloric deficit and proper training program, Albuterol can increase fat metabolism and aid in the loss of body fat, commonly resulting in an extra 2 – 4 lbs. per month lost from the inclusion of Albuterol alone. With a caloric surplus, Albuterol can indeed exhibit a small but noticeable (but by no means dramatic) increase in strength and muscle mass.