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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/15/milwaukee-sheriff-david-clarke-pitchforks-torches-time-twitter
Milwaukee sheriff says it's 'pitchforks and torches time' and stands by Trump

David A Clarke accuses media and government of corruption in tweet but scholars say a court would not rule that the comments are inciting violence

It’s “pitchforks and torches time”, a prominent conservative sheriff tweeted on Saturday, with a condemnation of the government and media that echoes the increasingly heated rhetoric of Donald Trump’s presidential campaign.

David A Clarke, the elected sheriff of Milwaukee County, is a leading Trump supporter who has previously called Black Lives Matter activists the “enemy”.

Clarke paired what appeared to be an accusation of the corruption in most of the United States government with a photoshopped image of a crowd of people carrying burning sticks and pitchforks.

Clarke’s comments come at a time of growing anxiety over Trump’s repeated claims, without evidence, that the presidential election is rigged against him. At least one Trump supporter at a rally in Cincinnati on Friday was quoted by the Boston Globe as saying that if Clinton is elected, “I hope we can start a coup.”

“We’re going to have a revolution and take them out of office, if that’s what it takes,” the supporter said.

At a rally for Republican vice-presidential candidate Mike Pence on Thursday, a woman from the audience told the candidate she, too, would rather take action than allow a Democrat to win. “I don’t want this to happen – but I will tell you for me, personally, if Hillary Clinton gets in,” she warned, “I’m ready for a revolution because we can’t have her in.”

“You don’t want – don’t say that,” Pence replied.

Noting a history of violence at Trump rallies by his supporters, some online observers took Clarke’s call for “pitchforks and torches” seriously, asking whether he was inciting violence and whether his comments constituted sedition against the government. His remarks also raised concerns that it was inappropriate for a law enforcement official famous for his “law and order” political views to be calling for citizens to take to the streets.

Robert Post, a first amendment expert and the dean of Yale Law School, said Clarke’s comments were “horrible and despicable” but that “an American court would view this as venting, basically.”

In 1969, the supreme court overturned a Ku Klux ? leader’s conviction for inciting violence.

The Brandenburg case set a high bar: “It says that you must intentionally be inciting imminent violence, and it has to be likely that there’s going to be violence.”

Clarke’s tweet “would fall far short of that test”, Post said.

Eugene Volokh, a Libertarian second amendment scholar at the University of California Los Angeles school of law, said Clarke’s remarks were clearly intended to be figurative.

“What do you think Sheriff Clarke is trying to get people to do? Is he trying to get them to spear someone with a pitchfork and burn down their house, or is he trying to motivate someone to vote for Trump or support conservative values? It seems to be quite clearly the latter,” he said.

When it came to hyperbolic rhetoric about violence, Volokh said, people were more likely to give people with like-minded politics the benefit of the doubt, and to take their political opponents literally. Those who were taking Clarke’s pitchfork remarks seriously were “taking it seriously because they don’t like the guy who’s saying it,” Volokh said.

Incitement of violence is defined very narrowly under the law, leaving wide freedom of speech protections to talk about violence or revolution in hyperbolic or unspecific ways.

“It has to be a situation where you’re talking to a crowd and you’re trying to get them to do something right now,” Volokh said.

“I don’t think anyone looking at this would say, ‘Wow, he’s really asking me to show up with pitchfork and torches outside of the newspaper and burn it down. I don’t think anyone would interpret it that way, especially in light of the photo.”

Clarke has built a national platform for himself as a police official with extremely conservative, tough-on-crime views. He is a television commentator, has his own podcast, and is a prominent National Rifle Association speaker. In July, he compared the Black Lives Matter and Occupy Wall Street movements to the terror group Isis.

“Americans watching the news of the murders of police officers in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, are observing a civil war unfold within our borders. A war between rule of law and anarchy-seeking hate,” he wrote.

“The murders in Baton Rouge, and before them Dallas, were not acts of domestic terrorism but guerrilla urban warfare against the police – who represent law and order – against the constitution, and against the American way.”

In August, Clarke called for the National Guard to be sent to Milwaukee in response to unrest after police shot a 23-year-old black man, even though the local police department and mayor said this was unnecessary.

“People have to find a more socially acceptable way to deal with their frustration, their anger and resentment. We cannot have the social upheaval,” Clarke told a local Fox news station.

A man who answered the phone at a number listed under Clarke’s name declined to identify himself, and hung up without answering any questions.

Fran McLaughlin, a spokeswoman at the Milwaukee County sheriff’s office, did not respond to a request for comment on the sheriff’s tweet.

A spokeswoman for the National Rifle Association did not immediately respond to a request for comment about whether the organization approved of Clarke’s “pitchforks and torches” rhetoric.

After his pitchforks tweet, Clarke tweeted again directly to Trump supporters, citing the New Testament and sharing a photograph of himself with the Republican nominee.

“To all @ realDonaldTrump supporters, Let Not Your Hearts Be Troubled (John:14 1-3) Big media knows that our day is coming. Stay strong,” he wrote.

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  • huey
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    he's bout to run for some political seat
  • 5th Letter
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    edited October 2016
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    He unapologetically ?
  • Idiopathic Joker
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    He's trolling the ? out y'all
  • MD_PROPER
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    edited October 2016
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    One day those whites he loves so much are going to make him a scapegoat and he wont have a bit of sympathy from us....watch
  • rapmusic
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    He's trolling the ? out y'all
    I believe this
  • Copper
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    Didn't he claim BLM incited violence ?
  • b'mer...
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    What???? Not the sheriff of police inciting violence...
  • harry knucklez
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    If he's trying to incite a riot, that should be grounds for his removal as Sheriff
  • mc317
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    He is one of those CIA plants from cointelpro, nobody can naturally ? this hard!
  • playboy buddy rose
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    this ole tap dancin while in blackface eatin a piece of watermelon ass ? at it again?
  • stringer bell
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    Saddle Up: Firebrand Sheriff Standing By His Call For ‘Pitchforks And Torches’

    Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke “meant it” when he shared a photo of an angry mob on Twitter with a caption reading “pitchforks and torches time.”

    Firing back Monday at the “Leftist Big Media” for drawing attention to his tweet, which many social media users and journalists said could be interpreted as inciting violence, Clarke sent another tweet saying he would not allow his detractors to “intimidate and harass” him into dropping the inflammatory phrase.

    In a blog post on Patheos and an interview on Fox News, Clarke insisted he was speaking rhetorically and not calling for an actual armed takeover of the U.S. government.

    “I’m suggesting the same thing the Founding Fathers did in the 1770s, when they drew up the Declaration of Independence,” the Milwaukee County sheriff and Donald Trump supporter said on “Fox and Friends." “Go back and read your Declaration of Independence. It's right there. Were they inciting violence? No, what they wanted was self-rule, they wanted a government controlled by the people and not the bureaucrats in Washington.”

    Though Clarke tried to make the case that his call to arms was comparable to Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) referring to his tidal wave of support in the primaries as a progressive “revolution,” the goals of his “pitchforks and torches” campaign are quite distinct.

    “It’s time to run those corrupt politicians out of Washington DC and back to whatever crevices they crawled from,” Clarke wrote in his Patheos blog post defending the tweets. “It’s time to put Mrs. Bill Clinton behind bars, where she belongs. And it’s time that the DOJ learns what the “J” stands for in their name.”

    Clarke's Twitter feed is full of posts calling on the American people to "rise up" and claiming that the U.S. justice system "ceased to be legitimate" with its investigation into Clinton's use of a private email server as secretary of state.

    These comments echo Trump’s own calls to appoint a special prosecutor to look into Clinton and his ominous warnings that the presidential election will be rigged if he loses.

    Though Clarke lashed out at the “weepy” media for interpreting a photo of a screaming mob bearing torches as a call to violence, his comments come amid a series of deeply unsettling incidents.

    Three militia members were arrested in Kansas on Friday for plotting to bomb a apartment complex home to Somali immigrants the day after the election, and authorities said a local North Carolina Republican party office was firebombed on Sunday.

    Numerous Trump supporters interviewed at campaign events also have vowed to monitor the polls on Nov. 8, and some have even threatened to "take out” Clinton if she is elected to the White House. A growing number of political observers are concerned that the Republican nominee might not accept the election results, and that Trump’s claims that the Democratic nominee should be “locked up” will delegitimize a potential Clinton administration.