Public Enemy Chuck D Says LL Cool J Should Get Into The Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Before Tupac
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BOSSExcellence wrote: »here u go @lethal5 cause i know ur not gonna go read it..
"And because I had been a hustler, I knew better than all whites knew, and better than nearly all of the black 'leaders' knew, that actually the most dangerous black man in America was the ghetto hustler. Why do I say this? The hustler, out there in the ghetto jungles, has less respect for the ? structure than any other ? in North America. The ghetto hustler is internally restrained by nothing. He has no religion, no concept of morality, no civic responsibility, no fear--nothing. To survive, he is out there constantly preying upon others, probing for any human weakness like a ferret. The ghetto hustler is forever frustrated, restless, and anxious for some 'action'. Whatever he undertakes, he commits himself to it fully, absolutely. What makes the ghetto hustler yet more dangerous is his 'glamour' image to the school-dropout youth in the ghetto.These ghetto teen-agers see the hell caught by their parents struggling to get somewhere, or see that they have given up struggling in the prejudiced, intolerant white man’s world. The ghetto teen-agers make up their own minds they would rather be like the hustlers whom they see dressed ‘sharp’ and flashing money and displaying no respect for anybody or anything. So the ghetto youth become attracted to the hustler worlds of dope, thievery, prostitution, and general crime and immorality."
-Malcolm X
Your reading comprehension skills are ? , he was making an analysis from personal experience. ....he wasnt condoning that behavior -
but anyways..
WESTSIDE ? ! -
BOSSExcellence wrote: »here u go @lethal5 cause i know ur not gonna go read it..
"And because I had been a hustler, I knew better than all whites knew, and better than nearly all of the black 'leaders' knew, that actually the most dangerous black man in America was the ghetto hustler. Why do I say this? The hustler, out there in the ghetto jungles, has less respect for the ? structure than any other ? in North America. The ghetto hustler is internally restrained by nothing. He has no religion, no concept of morality, no civic responsibility, no fear--nothing. To survive, he is out there constantly preying upon others, probing for any human weakness like a ferret. The ghetto hustler is forever frustrated, restless, and anxious for some 'action'. Whatever he undertakes, he commits himself to it fully, absolutely. What makes the ghetto hustler yet more dangerous is his 'glamour' image to the school-dropout youth in the ghetto.These ghetto teen-agers see the hell caught by their parents struggling to get somewhere, or see that they have given up struggling in the prejudiced, intolerant white man’s world. The ghetto teen-agers make up their own minds they would rather be like the hustlers whom they see dressed ‘sharp’ and flashing money and displaying no respect for anybody or anything. So the ghetto youth become attracted to the hustler worlds of dope, thievery, prostitution, and general crime and immorality."
-Malcolm X
Your reading comprehension skills are ? , he was making an analysis from personal experience. ....he wasnt condoning that behavior
read the book ? ..
Malcolm loved that Thug Life ? ..
when he lived it. -and even when he grew out of it he respected it..
which is what he was sayin right there..
but ull have to read the whole book to understand that.. -
BOSSExcellence wrote: »BOSSExcellence wrote: »here u go @lethal5 cause i know ur not gonna go read it..
"And because I had been a hustler, I knew better than all whites knew, and better than nearly all of the black 'leaders' knew, that actually the most dangerous black man in America was the ghetto hustler. Why do I say this? The hustler, out there in the ghetto jungles, has less respect for the ? structure than any other ? in North America. The ghetto hustler is internally restrained by nothing. He has no religion, no concept of morality, no civic responsibility, no fear--nothing. To survive, he is out there constantly preying upon others, probing for any human weakness like a ferret. The ghetto hustler is forever frustrated, restless, and anxious for some 'action'. Whatever he undertakes, he commits himself to it fully, absolutely. What makes the ghetto hustler yet more dangerous is his 'glamour' image to the school-dropout youth in the ghetto.These ghetto teen-agers see the hell caught by their parents struggling to get somewhere, or see that they have given up struggling in the prejudiced, intolerant white man’s world. The ghetto teen-agers make up their own minds they would rather be like the hustlers whom they see dressed ‘sharp’ and flashing money and displaying no respect for anybody or anything. So the ghetto youth become attracted to the hustler worlds of dope, thievery, prostitution, and general crime and immorality."
-Malcolm X
Your reading comprehension skills are ? , he was making an analysis from personal experience. ....he wasnt condoning that behavior
read the book ? ..
Malcolm loved that Thug Life ? ..
when he lived it. -and even when he grew out of it he respected it..
which is what he was sayin right there..
but ull have to read the whole book to understand that..
Turn in your library card ? , apparently it aint doin ? for you. -
BOSSExcellence wrote: »BOSSExcellence wrote: »here u go @lethal5 cause i know ur not gonna go read it..
"And because I had been a hustler, I knew better than all whites knew, and better than nearly all of the black 'leaders' knew, that actually the most dangerous black man in America was the ghetto hustler. Why do I say this? The hustler, out there in the ghetto jungles, has less respect for the ? structure than any other ? in North America. The ghetto hustler is internally restrained by nothing. He has no religion, no concept of morality, no civic responsibility, no fear--nothing. To survive, he is out there constantly preying upon others, probing for any human weakness like a ferret. The ghetto hustler is forever frustrated, restless, and anxious for some 'action'. Whatever he undertakes, he commits himself to it fully, absolutely. What makes the ghetto hustler yet more dangerous is his 'glamour' image to the school-dropout youth in the ghetto.These ghetto teen-agers see the hell caught by their parents struggling to get somewhere, or see that they have given up struggling in the prejudiced, intolerant white man’s world. The ghetto teen-agers make up their own minds they would rather be like the hustlers whom they see dressed ‘sharp’ and flashing money and displaying no respect for anybody or anything. So the ghetto youth become attracted to the hustler worlds of dope, thievery, prostitution, and general crime and immorality."
-Malcolm X
Your reading comprehension skills are ? , he was making an analysis from personal experience. ....he wasnt condoning that behavior
read the book ? ..
Malcolm loved that Thug Life ? ..
when he lived it. -and even when he grew out of it he respected it..
which is what he was sayin right there..
but ull have to read the whole book to understand that..
Turn in your library card ? , apparently it aint doin ? for you.
sucka ass ? .. -
this go be me when my ? Pac gets in before LL..
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Before opening this thread I knew @BOSSExcellence would be beefing on behalf of the west
With this confirmed, I can leave happily
Carry on -
"This is why Black folk aint got ? , too many of use are cool with being our own worst enemy."
- @lethal5
oh and on the contrary.. its ? LIKE U.. like Chuck D the reason ? aint never got ? .. why we are OUR OWN worst enemy..
first off why are we even givin a ? what crackers think of our music.. but since yall do.. i read somewhere in the thread that LL was already nominated and didnt make it..
if white acknowledgment means so much to u as a black person why the hate cause Pac got NOMINATED.. ? aint even get in and ? is already hatin and got somethin to say..
shouldnt u jus be happy they "acknowledging" ur ass and we have a chance of gettin an individual artist in!!?
so if it aint the ? u feel should go first no other ? should go then right!!?
but IM our worst eneemy right!!?
and "you wonder why they call u ? !?"
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NothingButTheTruth wrote: »25centsandwich wrote: »Im a fan of LL...but Pac is the greatest rapper of all time...
This is like saying dr. J should get into the hof before jordan...you can talk yourself into it...but u know it aint right
Obviously Dr.J should AND DID get into the HOF before Jordan. You sound stupid.
And Pac ain't even close to the greatest. He just died in his prime, that's it! LL in his prime would have rapped circles around Pac. ? yourself for falling for their little media push where dead rappers are placed ahead of rappers who are still alive, knowing damn well you would be referring to Pac as an old washed ? or a rapper turned actor if he was still alive.
This aint the hip hop hof...its the rock and roll hof...
Pac is the 2nd best selling rapper ever...every media outlet has him at least in the top 3 ever...the VAST majority of fan polls including the ones here put him as the #1 mc of all time...
Facts are facts...when it comes to ll and pac...pac is the more popular, relevant, and frankly better mc -
Pac has been dead 10 years and still gets mentioned almost daily on this site when was the last time LL was ever brought up
yeah u must be young cause yo math is way off aye -
25centsandwich wrote: »NothingButTheTruth wrote: »25centsandwich wrote: »Im a fan of LL...but Pac is the greatest rapper of all time...
This is like saying dr. J should get into the hof before jordan...you can talk yourself into it...but u know it aint right
Obviously Dr.J should AND DID get into the HOF before Jordan. You sound stupid.
And Pac ain't even close to the greatest. He just died in his prime, that's it! LL in his prime would have rapped circles around Pac. ? yourself for falling for their little media push where dead rappers are placed ahead of rappers who are still alive, knowing damn well you would be referring to Pac as an old washed ? or a rapper turned actor if he was still alive.
This aint the hip hop hof...its the rock and roll hof...
Pac is the 2nd best selling rapper ever...every media outlet has him at least in the top 3 ever...the VAST majority of fan polls including the ones here put him as the #1 mc of all time...
Facts are facts...when it comes to ll and pac...pac is the more popular, relevant, and frankly better mc
So Tupac is more Rock and Roll than LL? How Sway? Point still stands, LL PAVED the way for people like Pac, so he should easily get in before. And stop acting like you didn't make a ridiculous Dr.J and Jordan comparison in which your logic was exposed. You're only moving the goal post now to save face.
Media and Hip-Hop don't mix. Hip-Hop in its essence is anti-media. Hip-Hop was built off of truth telling and real life perspectives, not click bait and posthumous sales and success. Speaking of popularity and relevancy, I guess someone like an Eminem should also get in there before well... EVERYONE, right?
The truth is Pac is used as some kind of media push to get ? to look up to some dead man as their savior, when we have far better rappers and Hip-Hop moguls still alive. Pac ain't even close to a better MC than LL, and will never be considered the top MC by people who know their Hip-Hop history. Y'all ? fall for the same tricks over and over, which is why the top rapper is now a ? that openly jacks styles and admits to having a team of writers. Ol' the media outlets say it, so it must be true ass ? ... 'scust. -
EastCoast ? ALWAYS hatin..
smmfh
thats why cant nobody stand yall lame ? ..
yall ? cant even stand yallselves..
go get stopped and frisked..
or chased by a subway rat! lol
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NothingButTheTruth wrote: »25centsandwich wrote: »NothingButTheTruth wrote: »25centsandwich wrote: »Im a fan of LL...but Pac is the greatest rapper of all time...
This is like saying dr. J should get into the hof before jordan...you can talk yourself into it...but u know it aint right
Obviously Dr.J should AND DID get into the HOF before Jordan. You sound stupid.
And Pac ain't even close to the greatest. He just died in his prime, that's it! LL in his prime would have rapped circles around Pac. ? yourself for falling for their little media push where dead rappers are placed ahead of rappers who are still alive, knowing damn well you would be referring to Pac as an old washed ? or a rapper turned actor if he was still alive.
This aint the hip hop hof...its the rock and roll hof...
Pac is the 2nd best selling rapper ever...every media outlet has him at least in the top 3 ever...the VAST majority of fan polls including the ones here put him as the #1 mc of all time...
Facts are facts...when it comes to ll and pac...pac is the more popular, relevant, and frankly better mc
So Tupac is more Rock and Roll than LL? How Sway? Point still stands, LL PAVED the way for people like Pac, so he should easily get in before. And stop acting like you didn't make a ridiculous Dr.J and Jordan comparison in which your logic was exposed. You're only moving the goal post now to save face.
Media and Hip-Hop don't mix. Hip-Hop in its essence is anti-media. Hip-Hop was built off of truth telling and real life perspectives, not click bait and posthumous sales and success. Speaking of popularity and relevancy, I guess someone like an Eminem should also get in there before well... EVERYONE, right?
The truth is Pac is used as some kind of media push to get ? to look up to some dead man as their savior, when we have far better rappers and Hip-Hop moguls still alive. Pac ain't even close to a better MC than LL, and will never be considered the top MC by people who know their Hip-Hop history. Y'all ? fall for the same tricks over and over, which is why the top rapper is now a ? that openly jacks styles and admits to having a team of writers. Ol' the media outlets say it, so it must be true ass ? ... 'scust.
You sound delusional...im not even gonna argue with somebody who believes tupac was some kind of "media push" who only got famous after his death (even tho he was the most popular rapper on the planet when he was alive lol)...you just sounds ridiculous...
LL was great...he was the first superstar rapper...he was one of the great battle rappers...he got classic albums, records, and verses for days....
But Pac was the greater rapper...so if Pac and LL are both eligible...Pac should get in -
BOSSExcellence wrote: »"This is why Black folk aint got ? , too many of use are cool with being our own worst enemy."
- @lethal5
oh and on the contrary.. its ? LIKE U.. like Chuck D the reason ? aint never got ? .. why we are OUR OWN worst enemy..
first off why are we even givin a ? what crackers think of our music.. but since yall do.. i read somewhere in the thread that LL was already nominated and didnt make it..
if white acknowledgment means so much to u as a black person why the hate cause Pac got NOMINATED.. ? aint even get in and ? is already hatin and got somethin to say..
shouldnt u jus be happy they "acknowledging" ur ass and we have a chance of gettin an individual artist in!!?
so if it aint the ? u feel should go first no other ? should go then right!!?
but IM our worst eneemy right!!?
and "you wonder why they call u ? !?"
Cold Game.... -
25centsandwich wrote: »NothingButTheTruth wrote: »25centsandwich wrote: »NothingButTheTruth wrote: »25centsandwich wrote: »Im a fan of LL...but Pac is the greatest rapper of all time...
This is like saying dr. J should get into the hof before jordan...you can talk yourself into it...but u know it aint right
Obviously Dr.J should AND DID get into the HOF before Jordan. You sound stupid.
And Pac ain't even close to the greatest. He just died in his prime, that's it! LL in his prime would have rapped circles around Pac. ? yourself for falling for their little media push where dead rappers are placed ahead of rappers who are still alive, knowing damn well you would be referring to Pac as an old washed ? or a rapper turned actor if he was still alive.
This aint the hip hop hof...its the rock and roll hof...
Pac is the 2nd best selling rapper ever...every media outlet has him at least in the top 3 ever...the VAST majority of fan polls including the ones here put him as the #1 mc of all time...
Facts are facts...when it comes to ll and pac...pac is the more popular, relevant, and frankly better mc
So Tupac is more Rock and Roll than LL? How Sway? Point still stands, LL PAVED the way for people like Pac, so he should easily get in before. And stop acting like you didn't make a ridiculous Dr.J and Jordan comparison in which your logic was exposed. You're only moving the goal post now to save face.
Media and Hip-Hop don't mix. Hip-Hop in its essence is anti-media. Hip-Hop was built off of truth telling and real life perspectives, not click bait and posthumous sales and success. Speaking of popularity and relevancy, I guess someone like an Eminem should also get in there before well... EVERYONE, right?
The truth is Pac is used as some kind of media push to get ? to look up to some dead man as their savior, when we have far better rappers and Hip-Hop moguls still alive. Pac ain't even close to a better MC than LL, and will never be considered the top MC by people who know their Hip-Hop history. Y'all ? fall for the same tricks over and over, which is why the top rapper is now a ? that openly jacks styles and admits to having a team of writers. Ol' the media outlets say it, so it must be true ass ? ... 'scust.
You sound delusional...im not even gonna argue with somebody who believes tupac was some kind of "media push" who only got famous after his death (even tho he was the most popular rapper on the planet when he was alive lol)...you just sounds ridiculous...
LL was great...he was the first superstar rapper...he was one of the great battle rappers...he got classic albums, records, and verses for days....
But Pac was the greater rapper...so if Pac and LL are both eligible...Pac should get in
Your missing the point. Chuck said LL should get in before 2Pac and he's right. -
25centsandwich wrote: »NothingButTheTruth wrote: »25centsandwich wrote: »NothingButTheTruth wrote: »25centsandwich wrote: »Im a fan of LL...but Pac is the greatest rapper of all time...
This is like saying dr. J should get into the hof before jordan...you can talk yourself into it...but u know it aint right
Obviously Dr.J should AND DID get into the HOF before Jordan. You sound stupid.
And Pac ain't even close to the greatest. He just died in his prime, that's it! LL in his prime would have rapped circles around Pac. ? yourself for falling for their little media push where dead rappers are placed ahead of rappers who are still alive, knowing damn well you would be referring to Pac as an old washed ? or a rapper turned actor if he was still alive.
This aint the hip hop hof...its the rock and roll hof...
Pac is the 2nd best selling rapper ever...every media outlet has him at least in the top 3 ever...the VAST majority of fan polls including the ones here put him as the #1 mc of all time...
Facts are facts...when it comes to ll and pac...pac is the more popular, relevant, and frankly better mc
So Tupac is more Rock and Roll than LL? How Sway? Point still stands, LL PAVED the way for people like Pac, so he should easily get in before. And stop acting like you didn't make a ridiculous Dr.J and Jordan comparison in which your logic was exposed. You're only moving the goal post now to save face.
Media and Hip-Hop don't mix. Hip-Hop in its essence is anti-media. Hip-Hop was built off of truth telling and real life perspectives, not click bait and posthumous sales and success. Speaking of popularity and relevancy, I guess someone like an Eminem should also get in there before well... EVERYONE, right?
The truth is Pac is used as some kind of media push to get ? to look up to some dead man as their savior, when we have far better rappers and Hip-Hop moguls still alive. Pac ain't even close to a better MC than LL, and will never be considered the top MC by people who know their Hip-Hop history. Y'all ? fall for the same tricks over and over, which is why the top rapper is now a ? that openly jacks styles and admits to having a team of writers. Ol' the media outlets say it, so it must be true ass ? ... 'scust.
You sound delusional...im not even gonna argue with somebody who believes tupac was some kind of "media push" who only got famous after his death (even tho he was the most popular rapper on the planet when he was alive lol)...you just sounds ridiculous...
LL was great...he was the first superstar rapper...he was one of the great battle rappers...he got classic albums, records, and verses for days....
But Pac was the greater rapper...so if Pac and LL are both eligible...Pac should get in
Your missing the point. Chuck said LL should get in before 2Pac and he's right.
thats up for debate..
BUT WHATS NOT..
is he's a ? hater..
and the reason "? aint neva got ? ."
keep that negative energy IN HOUSE..
since we "so worried" about what wgite folks think of us.. -
Ilike2get baked wrote: »BOSSExcellence wrote: »"This is why Black folk aint got ? , too many of use are cool with being our own worst enemy."
- @lethal5
oh and on the contrary.. its ? LIKE U.. like Chuck D the reason ? aint never got ? .. why we are OUR OWN worst enemy..
first off why are we even givin a ? what crackers think of our music.. but since yall do.. i read somewhere in the thread that LL was already nominated and didnt make it..
if white acknowledgment means so much to u as a black person why the hate cause Pac got NOMINATED.. ? aint even get in and ? is already hatin and got somethin to say..
shouldnt u jus be happy they "acknowledging" ur ass and we have a chance of gettin an individual artist in!!?
so if it aint the ? u feel should go first no other ? should go then right!!?
but IM our worst eneemy right!!?
and "you wonder why they call u ? !?"
Cold Game....
if this thread aint the perfect example of "? in barrel" i dont know what is..
funny ? tho..
its only eastcoast ? like this..
they want everything to be about them..
selfish inconsiderate muthafuckas. lol -
Westside
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Im a Pac fan and LL fan and i agree with Chuck D.
LL was the reason i started liking Hip Hop. -
Only thing LL Fool J should be in before Pac is a grave ? was wack and those eenie meanie minie moe rhymes never impress me his hardest songs was with J. Lo
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Im late to the thread, I don't agree or disagree with his statement. ? pretty much like asking who should get in the NBA HOF first, Jordan or Jerry West?
You can make an argument JW should go in first, but can you really be mad if Jordan got in first? -
Im late to the thread, I don't agree or disagree with his statement. ? pretty much like asking who should get in the NBA HOF first, Jordan or Jerry West?
You can make an argument JW should go in first, but can you really be mad if Jordan got in first?
if u a born hater u can!? -
I'm still lost on why we are concerning ourselves about hip hop artist in the rock n roll hall of fame...? that hall of fame
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I'm still lost on why we are concerning ourselves about hip hop artist in the rock n roll hall of fame...? that hall of fame
Best post of the thread, been saying this ? for years. -
Built 4 cuban linx wrote: »CeLLaR-DooR wrote: »Went through L's discography not too long ago. The Drake comparisons are disrespectful AF
Only people that say that are the ones that only heard ll commerical songs not his actual albums. Their albums couldn't be any more different
I've literally never heard anybody in my life make that comparison.
If I did, I'd prolly jus walk off.
