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The Independent Hip Hop Trade Thread *Concept Thread* Part 1: Creating the Market

RuffDraftRuffDraft Posts: 4,753 ✭✭✭✭
edited July 2011 in The Essence
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So… the funny thing about Independent/Underground Hip Hop is that on the odd occasion an emcee or producer will breakthrough and amass the masses with their talents… making big money and generating 100x what they were originally 'worth'.

This leaves hip hop heads of the underground like… 'I told ya'll' but that's all we get to say :lol:

So let's create a play money market:

Rules:
  1. Each member gets a total amount of $100
  2. Rappers/Producers have a max $20 per share value
  3. Members invest their money in artists or producers in Part 2 of this thread.
  4. Their investments are then assessed at the end of the year, we give each investment a new value per share (which can exceed $20)
  5. We then total and rank each posters investments and have a 'winner'
  6. We can make re-investments in January and re-assess in Summer 2012.

Here's what we need to do in Part 1:


Create a market by listing acts in the underground.

Basically, list as many artists as you can that we can invest in and put up a cost for that artist (the price can be argued by posters).

E.g. list an artist and put up his/her stock price: E.g. Kendrick Lamar - $10 per share.
That would mean in Part 2, we could buy 5 shares of Kendrick Lamar for a total cost of $50 of our total $100 of investment.


At Christmas, we can look back on Part 2 and give each persons investment a stock rating depending on each artists activity, quality, quantity and sales. E.g. Kendrick Lamar could have broke the mainstream and be making big money, so his shares would now be worth $100 each, making the original investor 10x the amount that they invested…

This is a concept thread, not to be taken seriously, but for fun… let's see if we can make it, I'll begin in my second post...
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  • RuffDraftRuffDraft Posts: 4,753 ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2011
    A Tribe Called Quest - $15
    Aceyalone - $4
    Aesop Rock - $5
    Akrobatik - $2
    Amanda Diva - $2
    Apathy - $3
    Apollo Brown - $6
    Army of the Pharaohs - $3
    Arts The Beatdoctor - $2
    Atmosphere - $15
    AZ - $10
    Big Boi - $15
    Big KRIT - $10
    Black Hippy $6
    Black Moon $3
    Black Sheep $2
    Black Star $10
    Blame One - $3
    Blu - $10
    Boog Brown - $4
    Braille - $5
    Bronze Nazareth - $5
    Brother Ali - $12
    Cage - $5
    Canibus - $6
    Celph Titled - $6
    Charles Hamilton - $2
    Chiddy Bang - $5
    Chino XL - $5
    Collective Efforts - $3
    Common - $15
    Consequence - $3
    The Cool Kids - $8
    Cradle Orchestra - $4
    CunninLynguists - $12
    Curren$y - $8
    Custom Made - $3
    CYNE - $6
    Da. Beatminerz - $5
    DangerMouse - $6
    De La Soul - $10
    Del - $5
    Dela - $4
    Dessa - $3
    DJ Jazzy Jeff - $5
    DJ K.O - $2
    DJ. Quik - $5
    Dumhi - $4
    Edan - $3
    Edo. G - $4
    Eligh - $5
    Eternia - $3
    Exile - $8
    Fashawn - $8
    Finale - $4
    Freeway - $5
    Ghostface Killah - $10
    Grieves - $4
    Hell Razah - $3
    Illa J - $3
    Immortal Technique - $5
    Incise - $2
    Inverse - $2
    J-Live - $5
    J. Cole - $10
    Jay Electronica - $6
    Jazz Liberatorz - $5
    Jean Grae - $5
    Joell Ortiz - $8
    k-os - $10
    K'Naan - $8
    Kendrick Lamar - $10
    Madlib - $8
    Favourite Albums of 2013/Essence Threads:
    Ugly Heroes - Ugly Heroes LP
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  • RuffDraftRuffDraft Posts: 4,753 ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2011
    Marco Polo - $5
    Marz Lovejoy - $2
    Masta Ace - $6
    MF Doom - $6
    Mos Def - $14
    Mr. Lif - $6
    Murs - $6
    Myka 9 - $4
    Mystik Journeymen - $3
    Nicolay - $6
    Oddisee - $6
    One Be Lo - $5
    Open Mike Eagle - $3
    Outkast - $20
    P.O.S - $6
    Panacea - $6
    Pase Rock - $4
    People Under The Stairs - $6
    Pete Rock - $10
    Pharoahe Monch - $10
    Phonte - $15
    Pigeon John - $6
    Prince Ali - $3
    Psalm One - $4
    Q-Tip - $15
    Rakewon - $15
    Rah Digga - $8
    Rapsody - $6
    Ras Kass - $8
    RATheMC - $2
    Reef The Lost Cauze - $6
    Reflection Eternal - $15
    Reks - $5
    Rhymefest - $6
    Rita J - $3
    RJD2 - $6
    Royce Da 5'9" - $15
    Sadistik - $5
    Saigon - $6
    Sean Price - $6
    Skyzoo - $6
    Slaughterhouse - $12
    Sole - $5
    Son of Ran - $4
    Soul Position - $4
    Souls of Mischief- $6
    Statik Selektah - $7
    Strong Arm Steady - $6
    Substantial - $4
    Sunspot Jonz - $4
    Talib Kweli - $15
    Tennille - $3
    The Grouch - $8
    The Left - $6
    The Roots - $20
    The Tones - $3
    Tiye Phoenix - $3
    Tone Liv - $3
    ToneDeff - $5
    Vakill - $6
    Wale $10
    Wisemen - $6
    Y Society - $4
    Yak Ballz - $4
    yU - $3
    Zion I - $10
    9th Wonder - $10
    Favourite Albums of 2013/Essence Threads:
    Ugly Heroes - Ugly Heroes LP
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  • rip.dillarip.dilla ... push up the fader... bust the meter... shake the tweeter Posts: 17,412 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2011
    GOAT thread
    ... always immediately go for my boobs ... She feelin me up like "are those your nipples?" I'm like "don't touch there. my money is there." So she's running my hips and thighs ...

    Westie wrote: »
    Lol what is cunting?

    Lol i like it. I am cunting.





  • RuffDraftRuffDraft Posts: 4,753 ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2011
    rip.dilla wrote: »
    GOAT thread

    Haha props, hoping members will get interested and find artists that I've missed and add them to the thread.... Could be a lot of fun though.
    Favourite Albums of 2013/Essence Threads:
    Ugly Heroes - Ugly Heroes LP
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  • rip.dillarip.dilla ... push up the fader... bust the meter... shake the tweeter Posts: 17,412 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2011
    RuffDraft wrote: »
    Haha props, hoping members will get interested and find artists that I've missed and add them to the thread.... Could be a lot of fun though.

    I'll give that list a long look later and see who I'll invest in

    But Lamar has to be a banker
    ... always immediately go for my boobs ... She feelin me up like "are those your nipples?" I'm like "don't touch there. my money is there." So she's running my hips and thighs ...

    Westie wrote: »
    Lol what is cunting?

    Lol i like it. I am cunting.





  • RuffDraftRuffDraft Posts: 4,753 ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2011
    rip.dilla wrote: »
    I'll give that list a long look later and see who I'll invest in

    But Lamar has to be a banker

    And at the same time his price can't be too high, IMO.

    This thread isn't for making the investments themselves though, this is to create the Market itself, i don't know every independent artist, so if I've missed some that you can see, then please add them and your own price per share in accordance with the other prices already in the thread.

    End of next week I'll create the official investment thread when we've got all the artists.
    Favourite Albums of 2013/Essence Threads:
    Ugly Heroes - Ugly Heroes LP
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  • IshiIshi "You will not be punished for your anger, you will be punished by your anger" Posts: 4,649 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2011
    C/S Dilla this is gonna be a GOAT thread


    I'm eying Madlib already :D
    If only more people posted in The Essense you do a great job by yourself either way.


    Ill look into who i should invest in/see if your missing anyone later
    I'd do anything for the high..

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  • RuffDraftRuffDraft Posts: 4,753 ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2011
    Ishi wrote: »
    C/S Dilla this is gonna be a GOAT thread

    I'm eying Madlib already :D
    If only more people posted in The Essense you do a great job by yourself either way.

    Ill look into who i should invest in/see if your missing anyone later

    Haha if this was last year, Madlib would be mad high, I think basically we'll score posters artists out of 100, broken into four sections:

    Activity /10
    Quality /70
    Quantity /10
    Sales /10

    To make 100%. I guess each share should be graded against the percentage, so you divide the total score by 100 and multiply the answer by 20. So for 70 marks out of 100, you'd get a share value of $14. And if they break the mainstream, results should be multiplied by 5, so $14 * 5 = $70 per share…

    How does everyone feel about that? There could be other multipliers too, like listed in album of the year x total by 5 etc.

    I think it's a dope concept, but we want a manageable way of sorting the artists that we do buy shares in… should be really cool debates that spark from this with regards to the scores too…

    Thanks for looking into it :tu I'll look as well through some Indie labels and add them to the thread :tu
    Favourite Albums of 2013/Essence Threads:
    Ugly Heroes - Ugly Heroes LP
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  • traestartraestar Atlantic City, NJPosts: 6,030 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2011
    .......ok I'll give it a shot

  • traestartraestar Atlantic City, NJPosts: 6,030 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2011
    RuffDraft wrote: »
    Marco Polo - $5
    Marz Lovejoy - $2
    Masta Ace - $6
    MF Doom - $6
    Mos Def - $14
    Mr. Lif - $6
    Murs - $6
    Myka 9 - $4
    Mystik Journeymen - $3
    Nicolay - $6
    Oddisee - $6
    One Be Lo - $5
    Open Mike Eagle - $3
    Outkast - $20
    P.O.S - $6
    Panacea - $6
    Pase Rock - $4
    People Under The Stairs - $6
    Pete Rock - $10
    Pharoahe Monch - $10
    Phonte - $15
    Pigeon John - $6
    Prince Ali - $3
    Psalm One - $4
    Q-Tip - $15
    Rakewon - $15
    Rah Digga - $8
    Rapsody - $6
    Ras Kass - $8
    RATheMC - $2
    Reef The Lost Cauze - $6
    Reflection Eternal - $15
    Reks - $5
    Rhymefest - $6
    Rita J - $3
    RJD2 - $6
    Royce Da 5'9" - $15
    Sadistik - $5
    Saigon - $6
    Sean Price - $6
    Skyzoo - $6
    Slaughterhouse - $12
    Sole - $5
    Son of Ran - $4
    Soul Position - $4
    Souls of Mischief- $6
    Statik Selektah - $7
    Strong Arm Steady - $6
    Substantial - $4
    Sunspot Jonz - $4
    Talib Kweli - $15
    Tennille - $3
    The Grouch - $8
    The Left - $6
    The Roots - $20
    The Tones - $3
    Tiye Phoenix - $3
    Tone Liv - $3
    ToneDeff - $5
    Vakill - $6
    Wale $10
    Wisemen - $6
    Y Society - $4
    Yak Ballz - $4
    yU - $3
    Zion I - $10
    9th Wonder - $10

    Asher Roth $10
    5 Elements (5ELA) $4
    Clear Soul Forces $6
    Born Infinite $8
    Quite Nyce $9
    Beneficence $11
    Blaq Poet $10
    Vinnie Paz $15
    J57 of Brown Bag AllStars $8
    Brown Bag AllStars $7
    Co$$ $10
    Count Bass D $10
    Damu the Fudgemunk $8
    Planet Asia $11
    Tristate $5
    General Monks (Planet Asia & Tristate) $6
    DJ JS-1 $10
    Has-Lo $7
    Homeboy Sandman $9
    Dillon Van Maurer $7
    Willie Evans Jr $7
    Paten Locke $8
    Batsauce $5
    Ill Bill $9
    J-Rawls $11
    Jay Are $12
    John Robinson $10
    Kool G Rap $12
    Malcolm and Martin $6
    MED $7
    Dam Funk $5
    Neek the Exotic $4
    Large Professor $9
    Will C $3


    These are more artists/ producers

    I haven't made my list yet

  • RuffDraftRuffDraft Posts: 4,753 ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2011
    Props Traestar!! We're still populating the market, so once we're satisfied that we have everyone, we'll make another thread with the complete list and then we can spend our $100 :tu
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    Ugly Heroes - Ugly Heroes LP
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  • traestartraestar Atlantic City, NJPosts: 6,030 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2011
    RuffDraft wrote: »
    Props Traestar!! We're still populating the market, so once we're satisfied that we have everyone, we'll make another thread with the complete list and then we can spend our $100 :tu

    o ok then I'll add some more..


    BPos $8
    GoodWord $6
    D Wiz $5
    Johnny Venetti $4
    The Lyricists $7
    Prince Po $9
    Prince Ali (Cali) $5
    Prince Ali (Toronto) $7
    Johnny 5ive $4
    D-Stroy $6
    Tony Touch $9
    Dilated Peoples $10
    Evidence $8
    Rakaa $8
    Babu $8
    Rasheed Chappell $4
    Maffew Ragazino $5
    Riff Raff McGriff $6

  • IshiIshi "You will not be punished for your anger, you will be punished by your anger" Posts: 4,649 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2011
    Fat Jon -6
    Aesop Rock - 8
    J rocc - 5
    Masta Ace -7
    Jurassic 5 - 6
    Das Rasict - 4
    Dilated peoples - 6


    Heres some ^^ i could have priced em better :D
    I'd do anything for the high..

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  • traestartraestar Atlantic City, NJPosts: 6,030 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2011
    Ishi wrote: »
    Fat Jon -6
    Aesop Rock - 8
    J rocc - 5
    Masta Ace -7
    Jurassic 5 - 6
    Das Rasict - 4
    Dilated peoples - 6


    Heres some ^^ i could have priced em better :D


    Yea I like that, I think Dilated Peoples should be around 7-9 at least, because they have played a major role in underground hip hop, not just individually!! J-Live too should be definitely higher!!

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