Was The Joker Apart of The League of Shadows?????
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Idiopathic Joker
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Watching all three movies got me thinking. And I do believe Joker was apart of The League of Shadows
Although it was stated that the Joker was a product of Batman, as been subscribed to Batman series since the 80′s, the Joker did just show up in Gotham directly after Batman appeared. Not only this, he showed up with no origin, no story, and no reason to be there. Except, he was sent there by a group that did have a origin and a reason to be there, which of course we now know to be TLOS. His chaotic nature is new to everyone, he just does not give a ? about anyone. He is a man on a mission, despite what he says, he has a plan. He wants to topple Gotham. Who else wanted this? For somebody as smart as he was in this movie, and he was pretty ? smart, he would already know that Batman had no jurisdiction, so why would he feel the need to go to a new city to destroy, when he could do it on his own home field? Unless Gotham was the key to everything.
Ra’s al Ghul himself does state in Batman Begins that over the years the league of shadows does evolve their techniques. He used the example of economics, although it ultimately did crash and burn due to Thomas and Martha Wayne uniting the city, it would not be a preposterous idea that with the failure of their second attack that a third, more radical direction would be needed. This is something that the Joker did thrive on. He loved being the desperate man’s answer, as it was what he advertised himself as in TDK.
Besides what he said, he had a plan. His plan was to destroy Gotham and Batman. Everything like him not having an origin story, to the make up, to his superior genius, to knowing how to push Batman shows he was a member of The League of Shadows. Also, he knows Batman's identity. As did Raus. As did the rest of The League of Shadows.
Although it was stated that the Joker was a product of Batman, as been subscribed to Batman series since the 80′s, the Joker did just show up in Gotham directly after Batman appeared. Not only this, he showed up with no origin, no story, and no reason to be there. Except, he was sent there by a group that did have a origin and a reason to be there, which of course we now know to be TLOS. His chaotic nature is new to everyone, he just does not give a ? about anyone. He is a man on a mission, despite what he says, he has a plan. He wants to topple Gotham. Who else wanted this? For somebody as smart as he was in this movie, and he was pretty ? smart, he would already know that Batman had no jurisdiction, so why would he feel the need to go to a new city to destroy, when he could do it on his own home field? Unless Gotham was the key to everything.
Ra’s al Ghul himself does state in Batman Begins that over the years the league of shadows does evolve their techniques. He used the example of economics, although it ultimately did crash and burn due to Thomas and Martha Wayne uniting the city, it would not be a preposterous idea that with the failure of their second attack that a third, more radical direction would be needed. This is something that the Joker did thrive on. He loved being the desperate man’s answer, as it was what he advertised himself as in TDK.
Besides what he said, he had a plan. His plan was to destroy Gotham and Batman. Everything like him not having an origin story, to the make up, to his superior genius, to knowing how to push Batman shows he was a member of The League of Shadows. Also, he knows Batman's identity. As did Raus. As did the rest of The League of Shadows.
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The Joker is a crazy ? who just wanted to see the world burn....
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I guess it could be a possibility, but wouldnt the league have trained him to fight? i mean he can fight but he cant go toe to toe with Batman unless he sneaks on him.
Which brings another point... If you can sneak up on batman youve got to have some good ass training O_o
But yeah as far as i know Jokers origin has never been revealed. He's coming back in October in the Zack Snyder Batman series. its gonna be awesome.
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These questions beg to be answered...
Why not go to another major city without a Batman and rule? Yea, he says he is the product of Batman, when he is being interrogated by Batman, he knows its Bruce Wayne, as did TLOS. He did have a mission, ? Batman and destroy Gotham. Everything Joker knows, so did TLOS. Instead of braun, Joker had intelligence -
Joker was a common street thug before he became the Joker
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Joker was a common street thug before he became the Joker
And Batman was a ? ass spoiled brat before he became Batman. The League of Shadows changed that -
The Joker has never been a part of the League of Shadows. To even insinuate something like that would be an insult to the brilliance of his character.
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The Joker has never been a part of the League of Shadows. To even insinuate something like that would be an insult to the brilliance of his character.
How so... -
The_Maryvale_Joker wrote: »
Because at his core...Joker is chaos. Crime, murder and etc are just expressions of that chaos. To give him a "purpose" would be a gross distortion of this. Look at the Emperor Joker story line...he could have remade the universe in his image and what does he do...turns it into a kaleidoscope of chaos. The League at its core is about order. They just believe in a "destroy and rebuild" philosophy. This is why Bruce joined them. Secondly the Joker is not a "martial artist" when he fights its a maniacal, non-structured beatdown.
Alfred said it best "Some men, some men...just want to see the world burn". -
Understood, but I was referring to the trilogy itself, not canon. Canon has been changed many times, and the trilogy seems to do the same. In the trilogy itself, I believe Joker to be a member of TLOSThe_Maryvale_Joker wrote: »
Because at his core...Joker is chaos. Crime, murder and etc are just expressions of that chaos. To give him a "purpose" would be a gross distortion of this. Look at the Emperor Joker story line...he could have remade the universe in his image and what does he do...turns it into a kaleidoscope of chaos. The League at its core is about order. They just believe in a "destroy and rebuild" philosophy. This is why Bruce joined them. Secondly the Joker is not a "martial artist" when he fights its a maniacal, non-structured beatdown.
Alfred said it best "Some men, some men...just want to see the world burn". -
interesting theory but no. there would probably be more evidence if it was the case
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No joker is too much about chaos to be controlled by anyone let alone to be sent out to satisfy or further an agenda other than his own.
As aforementioned joker is chaos personified. His character alignment is chaotic evil TLOS is lawful evil although they operate outside of the accepeted law they have a code of ethics and behaviors that they expect each and every member to uphold. -
CoSign Rage. Comish Gordon said it best at the end of Begins.. Something to the effect of: we carry guns they get automatics. We wear body armor they get armor piercing rounds..and now u wear a mask take this guy(hands bats jozer card) he has a thing for theatrics like you
Joker exists because of batman and joker birthed 2 face. -
No joker is too much about chaos to be controlled by anyone let alone to be sent out to satisfy or further an agenda other than his own.
Exactly what i was gonna say -
i dont remember anything that would suggest joker knew batman is bruce wayne
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major pain wrote: »i dont remember anything that would suggest joker knew batman is bruce wayne
@3:54
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPuToZT0vfY&feature=youtube_gdata_player -
This theory is dope as ? and well thought out.I don't know if there is any truth to it but it just proves how great a trilogy Nolan's Batman was. Call me crazy, but I rank it up the with the Godfather as best trilogy ever
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manofmorehouse wrote: »This theory is dope as ? and well thought out.I don't know if there is any truth to it but it just proves how great a trilogy Nolan's Batman was. Call me crazy, but I rank it up the with the Godfather as best trilogy ever
Lol, Godfather part 3 has to be great for that to be a great trilogy. -
No you're just watching those movies too much. And Godfather 3 is way better than TDKR.manofmorehouse wrote: »This theory is dope as ? and well thought out.I don't know if there is any truth to it but it just proves how great a trilogy Nolan's Batman was. Call me crazy, but I rank it up the with the Godfather as best trilogy ever
You're crazy.
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No you're just watching those movies too much. And Godfather 3 is way better than TDKR.manofmorehouse wrote: »This theory is dope as ? and well thought out.I don't know if there is any truth to it but it just proves how great a trilogy Nolan's Batman was. Call me crazy, but I rank it up the with the Godfather as best trilogy ever
You're crazy.
Really bruh? Godfather Part 3, that ? sequel is better than TDKR? Pass whatever your smoking -
The_Maryvale_Joker wrote: »major pain wrote: »i dont remember anything that would suggest joker knew batman is bruce wayne
@3:54http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPuToZT0vfY&feature=youtube_gdata_player
"i thought you really were dent"?? -
The_Maryvale_Joker wrote: »The_Maryvale_Joker wrote: »No you're just watching those movies too much. And Godfather 3 is way better than TDKR.manofmorehouse wrote: »This theory is dope as ? and well thought out.I don't know if there is any truth to it but it just proves how great a trilogy Nolan's Batman was. Call me crazy, but I rank it up the with the Godfather as best trilogy ever
You're crazy.
Really bruh? Godfather Part 3, that ? sequel is better than TDKR? Pass whatever your smoking
Agreed TDKR may not have been at the same level of TDK...but its better than Godfather 3. Having said that Godfather 1 and 2 >>>> the entire TDK trilogy. -
No the league of shadows have specific goals they want to accomplish . The Joker just wants to do ? for his own
amusement. Also saying that he thought he was Dent is not the same as saying I know your Bruce Wayne. Now in the comic books Ra'z AL Ghurl did hire Joker as a mercenary to keep Batman occupied and throw him off his trail but even then Ra'z couldn't control the Joker's actions and Joker ended up killing Jason Todd(Robin).
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The_Maryvale_Joker wrote: »No you're just watching those movies too much. And Godfather 3 is way better than TDKR.manofmorehouse wrote: »This theory is dope as ? and well thought out.I don't know if there is any truth to it but it just proves how great a trilogy Nolan's Batman was. Call me crazy, but I rank it up the with the Godfather as best trilogy ever
You're crazy.
Really bruh? Godfather Part 3, that ? sequel is better than TDKR? Pass whatever your smoking
In TDKR they turned Batman into G.I. Joe who supposedly sacrifices himself for Gotham...But in reality just he dips out the backdoor so he can go retire in Italy with Catwoman. If that's not an abomination of an ending I don't know what is.
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The_Maryvale_Joker wrote: »No you're just watching those movies too much. And Godfather 3 is way better than TDKR.manofmorehouse wrote: »This theory is dope as ? and well thought out.I don't know if there is any truth to it but it just proves how great a trilogy Nolan's Batman was. Call me crazy, but I rank it up the with the Godfather as best trilogy ever
You're crazy.
Really bruh? Godfather Part 3, that ? sequel is better than TDKR? Pass whatever your smoking
In TDKR they turned Batman into G.I. Joe who supposedly sacrifices himself for Gotham...But in reality just he dips out the backdoor so he can go retire in Italy with Catwoman. If that's not an abomination of an ending I don't know what is.
Godfather 3 is an obomination of an entire franchise
