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evoljeanyes
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For instance, stats aside, I always thought Deron williams was the best point guard in the league desypite CP3 having better success...until the end of last year when I stated that Westbrook Curry and Kyrie would be running ? .
Cp3 has had very little post season success and D. Williams was phenomenal in the playoffs against my Lakers a couple years in a row.
He is bigger and had a more complete game as far as overall offense.
As far as stats go Karl Malone is better than Charles Barkley...? stats, chuck wagon was better than Malone by a lot. He was a scoring and rebounding machine and he blocked shots better. And ? what the NBA says Malone could have made 100 all defense teams he wasn't guarding ? .
Reggie Miller statistically was the Pacers best player but in those years when they played the Bulls J Rose was hooping his ass off! He was certainly the teams best player. He was just a much more complete player than Miller.
Statistically Reggie Miller and Dan Marjle are about the same, what separates the two? Why is miller universally considered better?
Cp3 has had very little post season success and D. Williams was phenomenal in the playoffs against my Lakers a couple years in a row.
He is bigger and had a more complete game as far as overall offense.
As far as stats go Karl Malone is better than Charles Barkley...? stats, chuck wagon was better than Malone by a lot. He was a scoring and rebounding machine and he blocked shots better. And ? what the NBA says Malone could have made 100 all defense teams he wasn't guarding ? .
Reggie Miller statistically was the Pacers best player but in those years when they played the Bulls J Rose was hooping his ass off! He was certainly the teams best player. He was just a much more complete player than Miller.
Statistically Reggie Miller and Dan Marjle are about the same, what separates the two? Why is miller universally considered better?
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C'mon, bruh. Reggie averaged almost 8 more points per game than Dan ? ' Majerle.
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Skill, eye-test, longevity, basketball IQ, intangibles, win-loss column, and you have to throw stats and accolades (NBA first teams, defensive first teams, all-star selections) in there as well.
Some of those categories overlap, but that's the gist of it.
All in all, I think there's 2 lists. The prime list, and the best career list.
People like T-mac are high on the prime list because in their prime they were a beast, while T-mac would be nonexistent on the career list.... And then there's people like Jordan and Kobe who are extremely high on both lists which is why they are considered GOATs by damn near everyone. -
Figures lie and liars figure
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Skills.
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How they manipulate the overall tone of the game...ex. there's no stat for drawing triple teams on 75% of your posessions, but thats something your team could greatly benefit from...
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Intangibles.
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greenwood1921 wrote: »C'mon, bruh. Reggie averaged almost 8 more points per game than Dan ? ' Majerle.
OK you're right but their prime numbers are similar! And miller played the same role. Why is he do much more popular. Millet was never an all star starter Dan was. -
NothingButTheTruth wrote: »Skill, eye-test, longevity, basketball IQ, intangibles, win-loss column, and you have to throw stats and accolades (NBA first teams, defensive first teams, all-star selections) in there as well.
Some of those categories overlap, but that's the gist of it.
All in all, I think there's 2 lists. The prime list, and the best career list.
People like T-mac are high on the prime list because in their prime they were a beast, while T-mac would be nonexistent on the career list.... And then there's people like Jordan and Kobe who are extremely high on both lists which is why they are considered GOATs by damn near everyone.
I know ? go at your dome a lot but this is a good ass post! I honestly don't give a ? about longevity especially when it cones to injuries. T-mac is flat out better than Reggie miller.
In bill Simmons book of basketball he puts magic over bird for the simple fact that magic was better longer. But barring injuries Bird is bar non the 3rd 4th best perimeter guy ever with Jordan bron Kobe...and magic just can't ? with him.
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For instance Dr. J vs Melo stats side by side who do you take...you take Doc...but Doc's jumper was trash! He shot a ton and he was not a good passer. He never won with a nine stuffed team.
I would take Melo because his game traslatex better to all era's and its more complete. -
Dr. Stitch wrote: »How they manipulate the overall tone of the game...ex. there's no stat for drawing triple teams on 75% of your posessions, but thats something your team could greatly benefit from...
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Karl Malone was better than Charles Barkley.
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Has a lot more to do with lore too. A lot of players from the past have embellished legacies now. My pops used to swear up and down David Thompson could grab a dollar off the top of the backboard and put change up there in one jump. In retrospect, we'll probably remember somebody like Melo as being a MUCH better player than we see him now.
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Has a lot more to do with lore too. A lot of players from the past have embellished legacies now. My pops used to swear up and down David Thompson could grab a dollar off the top of the backboard and put change up there in one jump. In retrospect, we'll probably remember somebody like Melo as being a MUCH better player than we see him now.
this legend was also passed down to me by father. -
I think stats are a big part of it because your eyes can lie to you sometimes. Like if a dude shoots 20 shots, makes his first 10 then misses the next 10. You may think he's unstoppable, then went cold. If a guy shoots 20 shots and makes every other shot (still 10 for 20) you may say they couldn't stop him all game.
Or sometimes the announcers gettin in your ear while you watch the game can make you feel more strongly one way or another. Be interesting to see one group of people watch a game with no sound, and another watch a game hearing the announcers. Then see what each group comes out saying about the players/game.
Also reputation can make you bias. 2 players can have the same year basically. But if one's known as a star player, and the other is a random dude off a sorry ass team you won't see them as equals that season usually. -
For ? and giggles
Player A @ All-Star break
Team record 14-34
Stats- 26.0 ppg, 4.0 rebs, 5.6 asts
Player B @ All-Star break
Team record 16-37
Stats- 23.5 ppg, 3.7 rebs, 5.5 asts
Player B was an all-star starter who's career is shining bright as a diamond, the other was considered a stat-hog for a flailing franchise and didn't even make the All-Star team. -
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ParallelRhymes wrote: »evoljeanyes wrote: »As far as stats go Karl Malone is better than Charles Barkley...? stats, chuck wagon was better than Malone by a lot. He was a scoring and rebounding machine and he blocked shots better. And ? what the NBA says Malone could have made 100 all defense teams he wasn't guarding ? .
Barkley = scoring machine...averaged 3 less a game than Malone
Barkley = rebounding machine...averaged 1.6 more than Malone
Barkley = blocked shots better...averaged the exact same as Malone
Somebody has an agenda.
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Jerry stackhouse led the NBA in scoring before. He isn't a top scorer in league history. Chuck never had a PG...Malone never had to create points. Chuck could create better. He could get his wherever.
Chuck avg 1.6 more rbs with 3-4 less inches.
Blocks even when Malone was getting all d team nods...
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For ? and giggles
Player A @ All-Star break
Team record 14-34
Stats- 26.0 ppg, 4.0 rebs, 5.6 asts
Player B @ All-Star break
Team record 16-37
Stats- 23.5 ppg, 3.7 rebs, 5.5 past
Player B was an all-star starter who's career is shining bright as a diamond, the other was considered a stat-hog for a flailing franchise and didn't even make the All-Star team.
Who are these cats?
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Player A was Monta Ellis in 2010-2011
Player B was Kyrie Irving this past year
Lotta this ? comes down to perception, what school you came from, what city you're from, who your daddy is etc. just like many other professions. -
Player A was Monta Ellis in 2010-2011
Player B was Kyrie Irving this past year
Lotta this ? comes down to perception, what school you came from, what city you're from, who your daddy is etc. just like many other professions.
Wow! Dude was 23 in 2010. Unreal. Or is Kyrie just more marketable?
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evoljeanyes wrote: »Chuck never had a PG
Mo Cheeks & Kevin Johnson will disagree with ya. -
If you forgot Jerry Stackhouse was that ? . There was also a time when Pedro led the league in scoring. What makes you H.O.F is being consistent. Charles vs karl is a good argument. But Malone played longer and had more basketball success. Barkley was flashier and more marketable, but not better by any means.
