Iraqi troops suffer mass slaughter one mile from Baghdad: the general ISIS Chat thread
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@kingblaze84
i support america doing what ever it thinks is in our interest if that means supporting israel then yes
i support israel doing what it has to do to survive if that means apartheid then so be it. I don't think the people in iraq give a ? about israel right now or apartheid in israel, depending on their ethnic background some iraqis will support us and some will not those that don't i could care less what their opinion is.
at this point how america looks in iraq is unimportant because we cannot fix what has already happened. we can only look after our long term interest in the region. the people that support isis in iraq are not going to like us -
honestly? i think UBL/al-Qaeda's behavior means their grievances CAN be ignored. they're not making sincere, legitimate arguments. the king of Jordan is US-friendly head of state and thus if HE says something, the US should take it into consideration.kingblaze84 wrote: »Osama and Al-Qaeda went too far of course but their grievances shouldn't be ignored, especially when so many around the world share their ideology and opinions.
the Crusades: turns out they weren't well-runkingblaze84 wrote: »And yes I know about some of those times when Christians were killing each other and killing off Jews for their treasures, didn't know some of those other things though, interesting stuff I gotta read up on that tonight.
The grievances of Al-Qaeda don't have to be catered to obviously but it doesn't mean America has to ignore them either, ignoring the grievances means ignoring how millions around the world feel. But if one will take the words of the king of Jordan over a random Al-Qaeda member, then of course that's understandable -
@kingblaze84
i support america doing what ever it thinks is in our interest if that means supporting israel then yes
i support israel doing what it has to do to survive if that means apartheid then so be it. I don't think the people in iraq give a ? about israel right now or apartheid in israel, depending on their ethnic background some iraqis will support us and some will not those that don't i could care less what their opinion is.
at this point how america looks in iraq is unimportant because we cannot fix what has already happened. we can only look after our long term interest in the region. the people that support isis in iraq are not going to like us
That way of thinking has caused America endless headaches in the region, and don't think for a second the Arab/Muslim world doesn't care about the Palestinian situation, the 3rd holiest site in Islam is around Palestinian territory that has lots of tension lately. How America looks in Iraq does matter, if the KKK tried to set up a neighborhood watch in a Black neighborhood, even a high crime area, how the ? do you think the KKK would be treated? Reputation matters, all day everyday. Don't be naive. -
This has just become a back and forth not a discussion. It's reached a point where y'all are writing and neither side is really being reached or convince at least in my opinion
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Focal Point wrote: »This has just become a back and forth not a discussion. It's reached a point where y'all are writing and neither side is really being reached or convince at least in my opinion
I can live with that in all honesty. The world mostly agrees with me and that's more then enough comfort for me. Janklow at least has reason behind his points, although most of the world obviously blames America mostly for the mess taking place there now. I did concede to some of his points though, so ideas are being exchanged. Zombie is just being Zombie, a so called Jamaican Black man who thinks like a 1400s Spaniard conquistador. His logic is almost gone at this point but he shockingly admitted Israel's settlement building isn't helping the situation. So that's progress on its own.
Maybe I should end the discussion though, depends on how the news in Iraq is going. I knew some people would stick to how they feel and that's okay, I mostly made this thread to show people that America going back into Iraq is mostly a waste of time -
kingblaze84 wrote: »Focal Point wrote: »This has just become a back and forth not a discussion. It's reached a point where y'all are writing and neither side is really being reached or convince at least in my opinion
I can live with that in all honesty. The world mostly agrees with me and that's more then enough comfort for me. Janklow at least has reason behind his points, although most of the world obviously blames America mostly for the mess taking place there now. I did concede to some of his points though, so ideas are being exchanged. Zombie is just being Zombie, a so called Jamaican Black man who thinks like a 1400s Spaniard conquistador. His logic is almost gone at this point but he shockingly admitted Israel's settlement building isn't helping the situation. So that's progress on its own.
Maybe I should end the discussion though, depends on how the news in Iraq is going. I knew some people would stick to how they feel and that's okay, I mostly made this thread to show people that America going back into Iraq is mostly a waste of time
I think nothing like a conquistador, i don't want america to oppress the muslims in the mid-east or take their resources but the reality of the situation is these people are doing genocide they threaten the entire world and want to convert or ? everyone. they follow a religion that demand that all non-muslim live under subjugation in muslim lands i cannot blame israel for not wanting to accept these people into their society. You read the word apartheid and think it's like how south africa was, that's a simplistic and way of seeing things.
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Focal Point wrote: »This has just become a back and forth not a discussion. It's reached a point where y'all are writing and neither side is really being reached or convince at least in my opinion
he wants us to care about the opinions of people who want to ? us and ? given the chance no matter what we do.
he wants to to abandon our closest ally, an ally that is surrounded by enemies even if doing so would send a horrible message to our other allies around the world.
he wants israel to accept potential terrorist as equal citizens even if doing so in the long term will destroy the state.
he also wants us to forget our responsibility of fixing iraq.
he is basically a coward in all this positions we must avoid confrontation that is what he wants.
what i want is for the united states to take back iraq and keep it as long as needed
i want us to support our allies no matter what the world says the usa should not bend ti world opinion
i want all threats of radical islam confronted.
i support israel existing as a jewish state -
If Israel got off their racist ? with African blacks I'd have more respect for them than sympathy
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Focal Point wrote: »This has just become a back and forth not a discussion. It's reached a point where y'all are writing and neither side is really being reached or convince at least in my opinion
he wants us to care about the opinions of people who want to ? us and ? given the chance no matter what we do.
he wants to to abandon our closest ally, an ally that is surrounded by enemies even if doing so would send a horrible message to our other allies around the world.
he wants israel to accept potential terrorist as equal citizens even if doing so in the long term will destroy the state.
he also wants us to forget our responsibility of fixing iraq.
he is basically a coward in all this positions we must avoid confrontation that is what he wants.
what i want is for the united states to take back iraq and keep it as long as needed
i want us to support our allies no matter what the world says the usa should not bend ti world opinion
i want all threats of radical islam confronted.
i support israel existing as a jewish state
How much is all that going to cost? You admitted yourself America having a lot of debt is a bad thing, spending money nonstop on all this BS is part of what is making inflation in America worse and people nationwide are complaining about high expenses already. Neverending spending on military affairs is part of what broke the Spaniard Empire and British Empire, but if you really believe in what you're saying, let's see how this little war in Iraq plays out. Let's see how increasing recruitment worldwide (not just with ISIS) to fight against America due to foreign policy works out.
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i think you ignore al-Qaeda and consider the grievances of the millions differently. i mean, of the king of Jordan and al-Qaeda say the exact same thing, you still listen to it. you just don't listen to it from the latter.kingblaze84 wrote: »The grievances of Al-Qaeda don't have to be catered to obviously but it doesn't mean America has to ignore them either, ignoring the grievances means ignoring how millions around the world feel. But if one will take the words of the king of Jordan over a random Al-Qaeda member, then of course that's understandable
i do my bestkingblaze84 wrote: »I can live with that in all honesty. The world mostly agrees with me and that's more then enough comfort for me. Janklow at least has reason behind his points, although most of the world obviously blames America mostly for the mess taking place there now. -
America needs to stop with the ? and leave the region or embrace being the villain. There is no ? diplomacy in selectively bombing people; you are still bombing people. This thin veneer of diplomacy is insulting to the world and is conducive to nothing.
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The air strikes aren't stopping the chaos in Iraq, even in Baghdad smh, 45 people died in explosions all over Bagdhad yesterday....America needs Iraqi oil badly though, so I guess the interference in Iraq's affairs will continue, but this is gonna be a very expensive war. And I say that because ISIS in Iraq and Syria today captured many of the weapons and bullets America dropped over to Kurdish areas in Syria
http://news.yahoo.com/syrian-airstrikes-? -8-town-near-jordan-122508707.html
IS fighters seize weapons cache meant for Kurds
BEIRUT (AP) — Islamic State group fighters seized at least one cache of weapons airdropped by U.S.-led coalition forces that were meant to supply Kurdish militiamen battling the extremist group in a border town, activists said Tuesday.
The cache of weapons included hand grenades, ammunition and rocket-propelled grenade launchers, according to a video uploaded by a media group loyal to the Islamic State group.
--Time for America to drop off some more weapons and aid over there....right? Let's hope this war is worth it -
eh, to be fair, low-level ? like that happens all the time with air drops. it looks dumb as hell, but it's not like we didn't accidental drop supplies that the Germans snagged in WWII, for example.kingblaze84 wrote: »Time for America to drop off some more weapons and aid over there....right? Let's hope this war is worth it
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eh, to be fair, low-level ? like that happens all the time with air drops. it looks dumb as hell, but it's not like we didn't accidental drop supplies that the Germans snagged in WWII, for example.kingblaze84 wrote: »Time for America to drop off some more weapons and aid over there....right? Let's hope this war is worth it
That's fair, but how many American weapons, aid and ammo is ISIS going to get?! We might as well be arming them directly! I'm starting to wonder if this is all being done intentionally, I wouldn't doubt ISIS has spies and scouts speaking directly to American military members on the ground. It's like they know everything America is going to do ahead of time -
ISIS bombs are getting close to American embassy workers and soldiers in Baghdad, Iraq.....
http://hotair.com/archives/2014/10/21/isis-mortar-shells-now-landing-in-baghdads-green-zone/
In a bad sign for the future of security in Baghdad, ISIS forces are apparently close enough to the center of the Iraqi capital that they are firing mortars which are landing inside the heavily fortified Green Zone.
Officials in Baghdad confirmed on Tuesday that two mortars landed within 500 meters of the United States embassy in the Green Zone. That portion of the city houses Iraqi government facilities as well as American and British diplomatic installations. ISIS militants on Twitter reportedly claimed credit for striking targets inside the Green Zone moments after the attack.
--Might be time for Americans to leave Iraq, before things get uglier. ISIS is dying to get their hands on an American soldier and that's the last thing we need -
well, we're talking about grenades and such ... with a GPS tracker on them. again, there IS a difference between "air drop gets snagged" and "arming ISIS directly." if you ARE doing air drops, there's some variables at work there.kingblaze84 wrote: »That's fair, but how many American weapons, aid and ammo is ISIS going to get?! We might as well be arming them directly!
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well, we're talking about grenades and such ... with a GPS tracker on them. again, there IS a difference between "air drop gets snagged" and "arming ISIS directly." if you ARE doing air drops, there's some variables at work there.kingblaze84 wrote: »That's fair, but how many American weapons, aid and ammo is ISIS going to get?! We might as well be arming them directly!
I don't think America is funding ISIS directly but it did in the past. America rushed to fund any rebels fighting against Assad for awhile and many of the rebels were ISIS/Al-Qaeda members (in disguise to be fair but why get involved when no one has been vetted there yet). And of course, America indirectly did it again by funding Syrian rebels 500 million dollars worth of ammo and weapons, money ISIS and its buddies will get. Saudi Arabia is playing us like crazy. The emirs and princes who support both groups in the region have to like this. -
you might be overstating that funding when you call it arming, though, as the constantly complaint from rebels was "the US isn't actually giving us anything"kingblaze84 wrote: »I don't think America is funding ISIS directly but it did in the past. America rushed to fund any rebels fighting against Assad for awhile and many of the rebels were ISIS/Al-Qaeda members (in disguise to be fair but why get involved when no one has been vetted there yet). And of course, America indirectly did it again by funding Syrian rebels 500 million dollars worth of ammo and weapons, money ISIS and its buddies will get. Saudi Arabia is playing us like crazy. The emirs and princes who support both groups in the region have to like this.
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you might be overstating that funding when you call it arming, though, as the constantly complaint from rebels was "the US isn't actually giving us anything"kingblaze84 wrote: »I don't think America is funding ISIS directly but it did in the past. America rushed to fund any rebels fighting against Assad for awhile and many of the rebels were ISIS/Al-Qaeda members (in disguise to be fair but why get involved when no one has been vetted there yet). And of course, America indirectly did it again by funding Syrian rebels 500 million dollars worth of ammo and weapons, money ISIS and its buddies will get. Saudi Arabia is playing us like crazy. The emirs and princes who support both groups in the region have to like this.
The rebels have been complaining for some time, but they have received some funding to be fair. Not the amount they want, but since these rebels usually are losing, the weapons end up in ISIS hands anyway and it makes the problem worse. -
With all these American air strikes, why is Iraq's army unable to take back Mosul and the larger Iraqi cities it lost to ISIS?
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to be fair, this seems to be overstating weapons ending up in ISIS's hands. there's a reason it's a big story about ISIS capturing US-provided goods in Iraq and never one about them being flush with US-provided goods from Syria.kingblaze84 wrote: »The rebels have been complaining for some time, but they have received some funding to be fair. Not the amount they want, but since these rebels usually are losing, the weapons end up in ISIS hands anyway and it makes the problem worse.
air strikes aren't really what's going to accomplish thatkingblaze84 wrote: »With all these American air strikes, why is Iraq's army unable to take back Mosul and the larger Iraqi cities it lost to ISIS?
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to be fair, this seems to be overstating weapons ending up in ISIS's hands. there's a reason it's a big story about ISIS capturing US-provided goods in Iraq and never one about them being flush with US-provided goods from Syria.kingblaze84 wrote: »The rebels have been complaining for some time, but they have received some funding to be fair. Not the amount they want, but since these rebels usually are losing, the weapons end up in ISIS hands anyway and it makes the problem worse.
air strikes aren't really what's going to accomplish thatkingblaze84 wrote: »With all these American air strikes, why is Iraq's army unable to take back Mosul and the larger Iraqi cities it lost to ISIS?
There's been some good news for the Iraqi forces lately, so who knows, maybe they have a shot in Mosul and the other big Sunni cities in a few months. It would depend on how many troops Iran is willing to send in -
still going to depend on the politics; Iran can assist, but as a Shia nation, they can't REALLY address issues Sunnis/Kurds have had with the government by their presence alone.kingblaze84 wrote: »There's been some good news for the Iraqi forces lately, so who knows, maybe they have a shot in Mosul and the other big Sunni cities in a few months. It would depend on how many troops Iran is willing to send in
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still going to depend on the politics; Iran can assist, but as a Shia nation, they can't REALLY address issues Sunnis/Kurds have had with the government by their presence alone.kingblaze84 wrote: »There's been some good news for the Iraqi forces lately, so who knows, maybe they have a shot in Mosul and the other big Sunni cities in a few months. It would depend on how many troops Iran is willing to send in
So Iraq is ? basically? Either that or Iraq prays the right dictator comes along. And if Iraqis are smart, allow a 3 part division of the country. Iraq isn't coming together anytime soon, it's not worth all the bloodshed they're going through, Iraqi soldiers can't fight outside Baghdad. -
look, call me an optimist, but i don't think "? " or "dictator" are the ONLY options in existencekingblaze84 wrote: »So Iraq is ? basically? Either that or Iraq prays the right dictator comes along. And if Iraqis are smart, allow a 3 part division of the country. Iraq isn't coming together anytime soon, it's not worth all the bloodshed they're going through, Iraqi soldiers can't fight outside Baghdad.
