Cleveland Pig Union Demands Apology..Update: Hawkins Refuses to Apologize for ‘Call for Justice’...
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why do these pigs take "justice for (blank)" as a attack on the whole force?
when did these pigs think they could dictate to the NFL ?
how can cops be anti-snitching and support ? cops ?
The police nor the prosecuetors office will ever have an answer for this. Nobody besides the public seems to have a problem with the so called "blue wall of silence" -
This from the same police force that just got done being investigated and being said to be corrupt by the Justice Department? They apparently don't know the laws either according to that report
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its amazing how all these officers have no ? given about supporting blatantly wrong officers
like every single cop on the force is a hero and never prone to incompetence -
stringer bell wrote: »cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/12/cleveland_police_union_preside_1.htmlThe Browns in a statement said they respect Cleveland police and their players right to support certain causes.
"We have great respect for the Cleveland Police Department and the work that they do to protect and serve our city," the statement says. "We also respect our players' rights to project their support and bring awareness to issues that are important to them if done so in a responsible manner."
Rice, 12, was fatally shot on Nov. 22 by rookie Cleveland police officer Timothy Loehmann less than two seconds after he arrived to investigate a complaint about Tamir carrying what turned out to be a fake gun.
Crawford, 22, was fatally shot by police on Aug. 5 while holding a toy rifle inside a Walmart in Beavercreek, outside Dayton.
Follmer said many Cleveland police officers work security for the Browns games and are employed by Browns.
"He should stick to playing football and let us worry about law enforcement," Follmer said. "The players don't know what our job entails. Don't judge us by what you're reading in the media."
So I guess that idiot is ignoring the tape that we all can see? Don't need to look at the media to know what happened.The media is on the cop's side anyway.Is there a link where I can respond directly to these comments?I ant to speak some logic to this pig,even if he does not listen. -
What would be great if these players in their interviews about wearing the shirts just came out and said
" I'm not apologizing for ? this is how I feel and changes must be made" -
Where is Cleveland's biggest celebrity to take the lead in providing a stronger spotlight about what's going on in his city? You offer support for what's going on in other towns, but not a word when it's your neighborhood? Athletes disappoint, man...
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Police are just mad that they are not controlling the rhetoric and athletes have a degree of public influence.
No need for apologize for doing what you mean to do. -
...Or Else What???
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clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2014/12/15/jeff-follmer-is-patheticJeff Follmer Is Pathetic
It's hard to put any stock in the words of a man whose job is to hold halos over every single one of the 1,500 or so men and women currently employed as Cleveland police officers. Fifteen hundred is a big number. And while we'll echo the sentiment expressed elsewhere — that by and large, the folks behind the badges are good people doing good jobs — it's foolish to believe that there aren't bad cops out there. But that's exactly what Jeff Follmer has to do as president of the Cleveland Police Patrolmen's Association. The stock and trade of a police union president's job is to defend his officers, and to defend all is to defend one, which is how the job works with the rare exceptions of cops acting in ways that no one, not even their fellow officers, can defend. Otherwise, the job entails showing up when officers become the subject of stories, explaining to the public, from a cop's point of view, how it happens that, for instance, 137 bullets are fired at an unarmed couple surrounded by police.
Executing that advocacy — which, we'll reiterate, is a much needed role those 1,500 men and women depend on — takes all forms, from massaging the relationship between City Hall and Mayor Jackson with the rank and file to staunchly defending officers in the media, from representing those who are the subject of internal grievances to building bonds with community leaders and the citizens the cops are paid to protect.
Follmer will exit the presidency at the end of the year after being ousted in a vote against former CPPA president Steve Loomis — Follmer lost by 300 votes. Back in October, in a lead-up to the election, Loomis went after shortfalls in Follmer's tenure, notably what he called broken relationships between the police, the community and elected officials. After his victory, as Mark Naymik reported, Loomis struck the same chord.
"There was a communication breakdown between the CPPA and community groups, other unions, politicians and the mayor's office," Loomis said. "It's in everyone's best interest that we reestablish those lines of communication. We have been in the dark for a while."
Follmer, with just weeks to go before he hands the keys back to Loomis, communicated with the world yesterday after the Browns game. But it was the brand of inflammatory and tone-deaf message that does little to mend fences between neighbors who don't trust each other, an unsolicited gouge at a fresh wound that badly needs healing, a myopic declaration as troubling as they come, especially in the wake of the blistering Department of Justice investigation that revealed evidence of systemic abuse within the department and an order for independent oversight.
Browns receiver Andrew Hawkins emerged from the tunnel at First Energy Stadium yesterday wearing a shirt that read "Justice for Tamir Rice and John Crawford III" on the front and "The Real Battle of Ohio," a play on the rivalry between the Browns and Bengals, on the back.
Follmer, without apparently being asked by anyone what his thoughts were on the display, and ignoring the cascade of embarrassment heaped on the St. Louis Police Officers Association after the organization demanded an apology from the Rams and discipline for the five players who came out for a game in November in a "hands up, don't shoot" display, issued a statement yesterday afternoon.
“It’s pretty pathetic when athletes think they know the law," he said. "They should stick to what they know best on the field. The Cleveland Police protect and serve the Browns stadium and the Browns organization owes us an apology.”
Let that sink in.
Hawkins wasn't doing anything that the people of Cleveland haven't done since the shooting death of 12-year-old Tamir Rice, and he wasn't saying anything that they haven't said. The only difference here is that Hawkins is a professional athlete and his status affords him a bigger microphone. (The Browns, to their great credit, quickly issued a statement defending Hawkins' right to expression, saying, "We have a great respect for the Cleveland Police Department and the work that they do to protect and serve our city. We also respect our players' rights to project their support and bring awareness to issues that are important to them if done so in a responsible manner.")
What Follmer says speaks volumes to the rift between the police in Cleveland and the people of Cleveland, and it also speaks volumes to what the Department of Justice found in its years-long investigation. Follmer is saying if you're an athlete, and in this case, a black athlete, you're not smart enough to have an opinion about real life. Follmer is saying generally, and quite plainly, that if you're not a cop, you have no right to question a cop. Follmer is saying leave the big boy stuff to the big boys. Follmer was talking about Hawkins when he called him "pathetic" but talking to every citizen of Cleveland.
Hawkins' message wasn't "? the police" or "indict Tim Loehmann." His message was a call for justice, for transparency, for equality under the law, for something more honest than a halo for every badge, for the right of people to question the law when it's displayed itself to be questionable.
That's beyond Jeff Follmer, though, which is the only pathetic part of the whole thing.
(We've reached out to Steve Loomis for his comments and will let you know if he responds.) -
mediaite.com/online/cleveland-browns-hawkins-refuses-to-apologize-for-call-for-justice/Cleveland Browns’ Hawkins Refuses to Apologize for ‘Call for Justice’
After Cleveland Browns wide receiver Andrew Hawkins wore a shirt that read “Justice for Tamir Brown and John Crawford” during Sunday’s warmup, the local police union president called his actions “pathetic” and demanded an apology. Today, Hawkins told reporters why he wore the shirt on the field and explained why he doesn’t believe he owes an apology to anyone.
“I was taught that justice is a right that, you know, every American should have,” Hawkins said in the Browns locker room. “And also, that justice should be the goal of every American and I think that’s what makes this country special.”
“A call for justice shouldn’t offend or disrespect anybody,” he continued. “A call for justice shouldn’t warrant an apology.”
Hawkins said he “utterly respects and appreciates” police officers who work for safety of all Americans, but he said he also recognizes that are “not so good” police officers out there. “My wearing the t-shirt wasn’t a stance against every police officer or every police department,” he said. “My wearing the t-shirt was a stance against wrong individuals doing the wrong thing for the wrong reasons to innocent people.”
“If I was to run away from the thing in my soul that I thought was the right thing to do, that would make me a coward, and I couldn’t live with that,” Hawkins added. He said that when he saw the news about 12-year-old Tamir Rice being shot and killed, he thought about the same thing happening to his two-year-old son and it “scared the hell” out of him. That was the “number one reason” he chose to make his views known by wearing the t-shirt.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fypDynZpqMk
Hawkins is real ? for this... -
I'm glad he spoke on it, but he said some problematic things.
why is being an activist a negative thing?
why should any American be afraid to speak out against the killing of children?
why is it taboo to say "bad cop"?
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stringer bell wrote: »mediaite.com/online/cleveland-browns-hawkins-refuses-to-apologize-for-call-for-justice/Cleveland Browns’ Hawkins Refuses to Apologize for ‘Call for Justice’
After Cleveland Browns wide receiver Andrew Hawkins wore a shirt that read “Justice for Tamir Brown and John Crawford” during Sunday’s warmup, the local police union president called his actions “pathetic” and demanded an apology. Today, Hawkins told reporters why he wore the shirt on the field and explained why he doesn’t believe he owes an apology to anyone.
“I was taught that justice is a right that, you know, every American should have,” Hawkins said in the Browns locker room. “And also, that justice should be the goal of every American and I think that’s what makes this country special.”
“A call for justice shouldn’t offend or disrespect anybody,” he continued. “A call for justice shouldn’t warrant an apology.”
Hawkins said he “utterly respects and appreciates” police officers who work for safety of all Americans, but he said he also recognizes that are “not so good” police officers out there. “My wearing the t-shirt wasn’t a stance against every police officer or every police department,” he said. “My wearing the t-shirt was a stance against wrong individuals doing the wrong thing for the wrong reasons to innocent people.”
“If I was to run away from the thing in my soul that I thought was the right thing to do, that would make me a coward, and I couldn’t live with that,” Hawkins added. He said that when he saw the news about 12-year-old Tamir Rice being shot and killed, he thought about the same thing happening to his two-year-old son and it “scared the hell” out of him. That was the “number one reason” he chose to make his views known by wearing the t-shirt.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fypDynZpqMk
Hawkins is real ? for this...
That white lady was about to ? . She almost put a fist up LOL -
Glad he articulated himself instead of just throwing on a Tshirt
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The behavior of some of these cops is so brazen and unapologetic that it's damn near comical. It's like they truly have convinced themselves that they aren't doing or saying anything wrong. These muffugguhs really have a deep seated hate for the melanated kings. ? 'em.
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Props to hawkins
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Props to the cleveland browns too.....told the cleveland pd they will not issue an apology. #goat
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ThirdEyeFive wrote: »I'm glad he spoke on it, but he said some problematic things.
why is being an activist a negative thing?
why should any American be afraid to speak out against the killing of children?
why is it taboo to say "bad cop"?
this ? is surreal.
-"American society" is going through it's transition into a police state and this is part of it.
-That's why public perception of "activist" and "protestor" is being allowed made to be negative.***
-America became able to have its moral authority position over the world because of activist and protests that led to so called equal rights and created the illusion of freedom for all. However, there was always resistance against that achieved so called freedom....
*****allowed made to be negative = u don't see media and politicians in mass pushing the rhetoric of "protests are in the spirit of American culture"....because it would be interpreted as antipolice. The government is pro-police. It's deep.
The illusion of the land of the free is dying and either these are the death throes or the spark of revolution. We (blacks) never was Americans. We've just been here. -
ThirdEyeFive wrote: »I'm glad he spoke on it, but he said some problematic things.
why is being an activist a negative thing?
why should any American be afraid to speak out against the killing of children?
why is it taboo to say "bad cop"?
this ? is surreal.
He never said it was a negative thing, he just stated he's not an activist.
Being an activist is a whole nother world.
At the end of the day, its good to see a black man, take a stand in the media, and not bend over like a ? .
Either or stop the nit picking. -
The Pig Union Rep is about to appear MSNBC...
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ThirdEyeFive wrote: »I'm glad he spoke on it, but he said some problematic things.
why is being an activist a negative thing?
why should any American be afraid to speak out against the killing of children?
why is it taboo to say "bad cop"?
this ? is surreal.
He never said it was a negative thing, he just stated he's not an activist.
Being an activist is a whole nother world.
At the end of the day, its good to see a black man, take a stand in the media, and not bend over like a ? .
Either or stop the nit picking.
Listen.
The bar is set so low that soft shoe stances are seen as profound.
I liked what he said, but there is a problem when he has to walk on egg shells about his stance. -
I mean the absolute nerve of the ? pig union to demand an apology and say his shirt was disrespectful and a disgrace. Props to this man for keeping his composure and being civil and real. I would have been fined for going on an ignorant rant about the Cleveland police union.
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ThirdEyeFive wrote: »ThirdEyeFive wrote: »I'm glad he spoke on it, but he said some problematic things.
why is being an activist a negative thing?
why should any American be afraid to speak out against the killing of children?
why is it taboo to say "bad cop"?
this ? is surreal.
He never said it was a negative thing, he just stated he's not an activist.
Being an activist is a whole nother world.
At the end of the day, its good to see a black man, take a stand in the media, and not bend over like a ? .
Either or stop the nit picking.
Listen.
The bar is set so low that soft shoe stances are seen as profound.
I liked what he said, but there is a problem when he has to walk on egg shells about his stance.
What egg shells???
I saw an articulate man, who covered all the basis.
That way, the media won't dilute his message with ? propaganda.
I saw, a LONE man make a statement, and stood a thousand percent behind it.
He didn't back down.he articulated his stance with his chest out, and kept it pushing.
What more do u want? -
"It's pretty pathetic when athletes think they know the law. They should stick to what they know best on the field."
lol @ anyone thinking football is what the Browns know best.
The cops could learn something from that franchise since they don't beat anyone -
ThirdEyeFive wrote: »ThirdEyeFive wrote: »I'm glad he spoke on it, but he said some problematic things.
why is being an activist a negative thing?
why should any American be afraid to speak out against the killing of children?
why is it taboo to say "bad cop"?
this ? is surreal.
He never said it was a negative thing, he just stated he's not an activist.
Being an activist is a whole nother world.
At the end of the day, its good to see a black man, take a stand in the media, and not bend over like a ? .
Either or stop the nit picking.
Listen.
The bar is set so low that soft shoe stances are seen as profound.
I liked what he said, but there is a problem when he has to walk on egg shells about his stance.
What egg shells???
I saw an articulate man, who covered all the basis.
That way, the media won't dilute his message with ? propaganda.
I saw, a LONE man make a statement, and stood a thousand percent behind it.
He didn't back down.he articulated his stance with his chest out, and kept it pushing.
What more do u want?
I already addressed it.
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