The Goat Album Tournament - Semi Finals: Reasonable Doubt VS ?

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1 Can't Knock the Hustle
2 Politics as Usual
3 Brooklyn's Finest
4 Dead Presidents II
5 Feelin' It
6 D'Evils
7 22 Two's
8 Can I Live
9 Ain't No ?
10 Friend or Foe
11 Coming of Age
12 Cashmere Thoughts
13 Bring it On
14 Regrets
(15) Can I Live II


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eV0fWMcl7wc







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1 Bathtub
2 G Funk Intro
3 Gin and Juice
4 W-? (Tha ? Intro)
5 Tha ?
6 Lodi Dodi Intro
7 Lodi Dodi
8 Murder Was the Case
9 Serial Killa
10 Who Am I (What's My Name)?
11 For All My ? & ?
12 Ain't No Fun
13 Chronic Break
14 Doggy Dogg World
15 You Betta Ask Somebody
16 Gz and Hustlas
17 U Betta Recognize (Pump Pump Intro)
18 Pump Pump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DI3yXg-sX5c

The Goat Album Tournament - Semi Finals: Reasonable Doubt VS ? 96 votes

Reasonable Doubt
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?
61%
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  • Melanin_Enriched
    Melanin_Enriched Members Posts: 22,868 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    In a perfect world neither pac or jay wins this tournament
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  • achewon87
    achewon87 Members Posts: 5,464 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    No question for me...

    ? is next level...

    A masterpiece...
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  • Ibex
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    The ? was a freestyle...I have to go with ? off the strength of that...
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  • 5 Grand
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    Reasonable Doubt
    East Coast in full effect!
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  • Dave2one6
    Dave2one6 Members Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Dear, ? , i wonder could you save me, I cant die......
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  • gman82
    gman82 Members Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Tough choice but I'm rolling with ? .
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  • dalyricalbandit
    dalyricalbandit Members, Moderators Posts: 67,918 Regulator
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    Reasonable Doubt
    Well it was nice while it lasted
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  • BobOblah
    BobOblah Members Posts: 9,324 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 2015
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    Reasonable Doubt
    both classics but I ? with RD more.
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  • whoseworldisthis
    whoseworldisthis Members Posts: 1,010 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Reasonable Doubt isn't even Jay Z's best album...

    How it beat Wu-Tang in this tournament, I'll never know.

    Cats weren't even checkin' like that for Jay Z until after the 'Hard Knock Life' Tour... fact.

    Snoop's album got bootlegged and recalled for uncleared samples and still almost did a million copies in the first week out. The streets were going crazy!
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  • _Goldie_
    _Goldie_ Members, Moderators, Writer Posts: 30,349 Regulator
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    Reasonable Doubt
    whoseworldisthis wrote: »
    Reasonable Doubt isn't even Jay Z's best album...

    How it beat Wu-Tang in this tournament, I'll never know.

    Cats weren't even checkin' like that for Jay Z until after the 'Hard Knock Life' Tour... fact.

    Snoop's album got bootlegged and recalled for uncleared samples and still almost did a million copies in the first week out. The streets were going crazy!

    Eventhough Jay was so much of a non factor Pac felt it was necessary to diss Jay in the intro of his album?

    ? was the bigger album, doesnt mean it was the best. Illmatic barely went gold, doesnt mean he wasnt a factor.
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  • dwade206
    dwade206 Members Posts: 11,558 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    ? was damn near flawless
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  • Idiopathic Joker
    Idiopathic Joker Members, Moderators Posts: 45,691 Regulator
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    ? is top 5 album
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  • whoseworldisthis
    whoseworldisthis Members Posts: 1,010 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    _Goldie_ wrote: »
    whoseworldisthis wrote: »
    Reasonable Doubt isn't even Jay Z's best album...

    How it beat Wu-Tang in this tournament, I'll never know.

    Cats weren't even checkin' like that for Jay Z until after the 'Hard Knock Life' Tour... fact.

    Snoop's album got bootlegged and recalled for uncleared samples and still almost did a million copies in the first week out. The streets were going crazy!

    Eventhough Jay was so much of a non factor Pac felt it was necessary to diss Jay in the intro of his album?

    ? was the bigger album, doesnt mean it was the best.

    Listen... I'm not saying Jay was a "non factor". Of course he was huge in New York.

    But people are doing some revisionist history and trying to make "Reasonable Doubt" Jay Z's "Illmatic". There was a ton of albums bigger and better than RD that year out of New York alone.

    Jay Z was still living in the shadows of cats like Jaz-O, Big Daddy Kane, Big L (everyone knows Big L ate Jay Z on their freestyle together), and Biggie during this era. He went from that fast Fu-Schnickens/ Chip Fu/ Kane type flow and then switched it up to a more NY story teller type flow.

    The real reason Pac dissed Jay was because Jay was Big's man and yelling out "Brooklyn"... Pac dissed Chino XL too so that is a wack point...LOL.

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  • whoseworldisthis
    whoseworldisthis Members Posts: 1,010 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    In my opinion, Jay Z never found his own lane until the 'Hard Knock Life' tour with DMX.

    His best album is definitely the "Black Album".
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  • achewon87
    achewon87 Members Posts: 5,464 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    "Slim with the tilted brim, what's my ? name..."

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  • The Recipe
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    whoseworldisthis wrote: »
    Reasonable Doubt isn't even Jay Z's best album...

    How it beat Wu-Tang in this tournament, I'll never know.

    Cats weren't even checkin' like that for Jay Z until after the 'Hard Knock Life' Tour... fact.

    Snoop's album got bootlegged and recalled for uncleared samples and still almost did a million copies in the first week out. The streets were going crazy!

    In all fairness theres alot of validity to bolded, it took 6 years to go plat. Not that sales matter but it gives you context that ? wasnt checking for this album until hov really heated up. Im sure Hov got mentioned on Makaveli mainly for being biggies homie.
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  • The Recipe
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    What do reason heads rate RD out of 10? I ? with Hov from about 1999 til 05 I ? with Hov heavy from Rocawear to S. Dots. But id rather listen to Blueprint 2 or 3 before RD.
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  • bck145
    bck145 Members Posts: 4,997 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    ? all the way
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  • _Goldie_
    _Goldie_ Members, Moderators, Writer Posts: 30,349 Regulator
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    whoseworldisthis wrote: »
    _Goldie_ wrote: »
    whoseworldisthis wrote: »
    Reasonable Doubt isn't even Jay Z's best album...

    How it beat Wu-Tang in this tournament, I'll never know.

    Cats weren't even checkin' like that for Jay Z until after the 'Hard Knock Life' Tour... fact.

    Snoop's album got bootlegged and recalled for uncleared samples and still almost did a million copies in the first week out. The streets were going crazy!

    Eventhough Jay was so much of a non factor Pac felt it was necessary to diss Jay in the intro of his album?

    ? was the bigger album, doesnt mean it was the best.

    Listen... I'm not saying Jay was a "non factor". Of course he was huge in New York.

    But people are doing some revisionist history and trying to make "Reasonable Doubt" Jay Z's "Illmatic". There was a ton of albums bigger and better than RD that year out of New York alone.

    Jay Z was still living in the shadows of cats like Jaz-O, Big Daddy Kane, Big L (everyone knows Big L ate Jay Z on their freestyle together), and Biggie during this era. He went from that fast Fu-Schnickens/ Chip Fu/ Kane type flow and then switched it up to a more NY story teller type flow.

    The real reason Pac dissed Jay was because Jay was Big's man and yelling out "Brooklyn"... Pac dissed Chino XL too so that is a wack point...LOL.

    Pac didnt open his album up dissing Chino XL, youre trying to rewrite history as if nobody was checking for Jay. When at the end of the day it doesnt even matter. Theres madddd albums that were bigger than illmatic, who df cares lol. In 2015 RD is the better album imo
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  • TheGOAT
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    whoseworldisthis wrote: »
    Reasonable Doubt isn't even Jay Z's best album...

    Yes it is
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  • DR. JEK
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    No it's not, Blueprint is
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  • SecondChanceBro
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    Reasonable Dobut is the most overrated classic of all time.

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  • Lab Baby
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    Dave2one6 wrote: »
    Dear, ? , i wonder could you save me, I cant die......

    "Illuminati want my mind, soul and my body"
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