St Louis teenager killed by police was shot in the back.Update:STL pigs lies are starting to unravel
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St. Louis police chief asks community to be patient as officer-involved shooting is investigated
Updated at 5 p.m. with information from press conference.
ST. LOUIS • Police Chief Sam Dotson said Friday that he could not yet say whether the officer-involved shooting of Mansur Ball-Bey was justified but he urged the community to remain calm as facts like the location of the fatal wound develop.
"The new facts by themselves do not paint a complete picture," Dotson said at a press conference. He added: "I do not want to speculate on the outcome. It's more important now than ever that the facts be exposed properly."
Apart from two officers involved in the shooting, he said only one civilian witness corroborated official statements that Ball-Bey pointed a gun at officers. He called on more witnesses to come forward, including a 14-year-old who fled from the scene.
He asked the community not to rush to conclusions.
“There is no benefit to not putting out the complete truth," Dotson said. "What the community has to understand is that the complete truth takes time to put together.”
Meanwhile, Dotson said he briefed Gov. Jay Nixon and his department is planning for extended shifts for police officers through the weekend as a precaution. St. Louis Alderman Lyda Krewson said she was shoved into a fence Thursday night during a protest march in the Central West End and a man she with was punched.
The autopsy on Ball-Bey, whose death from police gunfire this week stirred protests, showed that he died from a single wound in the back, police officials said.
Dotson said previously that the wound's location neither proves nor disproves the contention of officers at the scene that Ball-Bey refused to drop a gun and pointed it at them before being shot Wednesday.
An investigation of the particulars continues, Dotson said.
"Just because he was shot in the back doesn't mean he was running away," Dotson said. "It could be, and I'm not saying that it doesn't mean that. I just don't know yet.
"What I do know is that two officers were involved and fired shots, but I don't know exactly where they were standing yet and I won't know until I get their statements."
The two police officers involved in the shooting are white and in their late 20s and early 30s. Dotson said they've been police officers for about seven years.
"I have not seen anything in their disciplinary histories that cause me pause," Dotson said at the press conference. "They are police officers, they do police work. That's what they do."
The officers fired a total of four shots; one officer fired three times and the second officer fired once, police said. Only one round struck him in the mid-to upper back, according to St. Louis Medical Examiner Dr. Michael Graham.
Graham declined to elaborate on the trajectory and exact location of the wound, saying he did not want to compromise any of the incoming witness statements.
Police sources tell the Post-Dispatch that investigators found fingerprints and DNA on the gun police say Ball-Bey pointed at them, but the results are not yet available. Sources also say a witness has come forward who heard the officers' shots, then saw Ball-Bey throw his weapon before running through a gangway and collapsing in the front yard.
Killings by St. Louis police are reviewed by a Force Investigation Unit and separately by Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce's office.
"It's important to get all the facts to present to the circuit attorney's office, and if she sees a criminal violation, she will prosecute," Dotson said. "That's why we formed the Force Investigation Unit, to do the best possible investigation and present the facts in their totality."
Also, a copy of the police department's final report will be sent to Richard Callahan, the U.S. attorney for eastern Missouri, for his review.
Jermaine Wooten, an attorney for Ball-Bey's family, said witnesses and family members have told him the 18-year-old was unarmed and shot in the back.
"I told them, 'If you want me to represent you, don't lie to me. Did he have a gun?' And they all said, 'No,'" Wooten said.
Police said two officers fired at Ball-Bey as he flourished a handgun while trying to flee from a raid at what Dotson described as a known place "for drugs and guns" on Walton Avenue near Page Boulevard. They said Ball-Bey did not fire; no officers were hurt.
David Klinger, a University of Missouri-St. Louis criminologist who has studied hundreds of officer-involved shootings, said, "The issue isn't where the round hits, it's what the perceived threat was at the time the officer fired."
He added, "If it was reasonable for these officers to believe he was a threat, then shots in the back mean nothing. If it's unreasonable, then he shouldn't have been shot, but we don't know without knowing all the information."
Klinger said the Supreme Court has ruled it constitutional for police to shoot someone in the back if they believe that person could be a threat.
"If he takes off running after pointing a gun at them, then that is someone a reasonable officer could believe will be a continuing threat," he said.
Ball-Bey's cousin, Shonetda Ball, owns the house where the shooting occurred. She said she didn't know why he was there. She said only one tenant remains, and that when that person leaves, she plans to board up the house because she is tired of the police harassing the residents.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/22/us/black-man-shot-by-police-in-st-louis-died-from-bullet-to-back.htmlBlack Man Shot by Police in St. Louis Died From Bullet to Back
An 18-year-old St. Louis man whom the police said they shot after he pointed a gun at officers died from a bullet that entered the middle of his back and lodged near his rib cage, the city’s chief medical examiner said Friday. The shooting, the latest killing of a black man by officers, has raised tensions in the region.
But the examiner, Dr. Michael A. Graham, said that despite the bullet wound to the back, other physical evidence would have to be examined before conclusions could be drawn.
After nights of tense demonstrations in the wake of Wednesday’s killing of the teenager, Mansur Ball-Bey, in a foot chase by two white officers, the St. Louis police chief, Sam Dotson, urged caution about the medical examiner’s findings.
“We are still in the early stages of the investigation, and the new facts by themselves do not paint a complete picture,” Chief Dotson said during a news conference at Police Headquarters.
Hours later, the city’s prosecutor, Jennifer M. Joyce, said her office would start an investigation parallel to the police’s. Typically, the prosecutor waits for the Police Department to finish its investigation before beginning its own.
The autopsy raises a question regarding the police account that Mr. Ball-Bey continued to run after he was shot and then collapsed.
Dr. Graham said he would have expected the teenager to have been “incapacitated immediately” by the fatal gunshot. “I would have expected him to go to the ground right away,” Dr. Graham said in an interview, though he declined to elaborate on how he reached that finding.
Chief Dotson said that he had not seen that part of the report and declined to offer an explanation for the potential discrepancy. As far as the shot to the back, Chief Dotson said there were circumstances in which that could happen in a justifiable homicide, though he stressed that he was not making any conclusions about the shooting.
“The questions that have to be answered are, ‘Where was the subject standing?’ ” Chief Dotson said. “ ‘Where were the officers standing? Were they running? Were they stopped? What was the angle?’ ”
Chief Dotson added: “If an officer reasonably believes that his life or someone else’s life is in jeopardy, or fear of being harmed” then he could use deadly force.
The killing renewed tensions that have been bubbling for more than a year since a white officer in the St. Louis suburb of Ferguson killed an unarmed black teenager. Many activists and residents have questioned the police’s narrative in the killing of Mr. Ball-Bey.
The department has moved its officers to 12-hour shifts and canceled days off so that it can direct more resources toward managing any public response to the shooting.
The initial police report said that officers were carrying out a search warrant on a house late Wednesday morning when Mr. Ball-Bey and another man ran out the back door. Chief Dotson said he had seen evidence that the two hopped a fence behind the house and ran down an alley. Plainclothes officers wearing bulletproof vests that said “Police” were stationed at the rear of the house, Chief Dotson said, and they ordered Mr. Ball-Bey and the other person to stop and drop their guns. Mr. Ball-Bey turned and pointed his gun at the officers, the police said, and two of them opened fire. One officer fired three times and another fired once, the police said. Mr. Ball-Bey was struck once.
Mr. Ball-Bey then “dropped his gun and continued to run through a gangway and collapsed in the 1200 block of Walton,” the police said. The police said they recovered four guns and ? ? at the scene and that they were searching for the other person, whom they described Friday as a 14-year-old boy.
But a law firm representing Mr. Ball-Bey’s family gave a different account. Tonia Harris, a special consultant with the Legal Solution Group, said that witnesses they had interviewed said Mr. Ball-Bey was not at the house the police raided. He was in a backyard two houses away with one other person, Ms. Harris said.
Mr. Ball-Bey’s aunt lived in the house that was raided, Ms. Harris said, and his cousin, Roderick Williams, was arrested there after the raid. The house that Mr. Ball-Bey was standing behind was vacant, and from there he could not have seen what was going on at his aunt’s house, Ms. Harris said. Mr. Ball-Bey did run, Ms. Harris said, when officers began racing toward him in the alley.
“Whether he knew who he was running from or not, we don’t know,” Ms. Harris said.
Mr. Ball-Bey collapsed near the front of the house that was two doors down from the one the police raided, Ms. Harris said.
The police said that Mr. Ball-Bey had a stolen gun. Mr. Ball-Bey did not live in the neighborhood, but rather about 10 miles north, in St. Louis County. He recently graduated from high school and was working at FedEx, Ms. Harris said, and had no criminal record.
Protesters rallied in the street near where Mr. Ball-Bey was killed shortly after the shooting late Wednesday morning. That eventually led to a tense standoff with the police that the police broke up with tear gas.
The police said they were pelted with bricks and bottles and gave repeated warnings before using the tear gas. But several demonstrators said the police were overly aggressive and did not give fair warning. -
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http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/circuit-attorney-s-office-launches-investigation-into-death-of-mansur/article_7b6d7427-b5b6-5625-b9f3-e5d7fbb33d17.htmlCircuit Attorney's Office launches investigation into death of Mansur Ball-Bey
ST. LOUIS • Public outcry following the revelation Friday that an 18-year-old was shot in the back during an encounter with two St. Louis police officers earlier this week has altered the way officials will handle the investigation.
Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce has announced that her office will conduct an investigation into the shooting simultaneously with the one being done by police — a departure from past practice of awaiting the results of the police investigation before conducting her own.
Meanwhile, an attorney for the officers says there is a reasonable explanation for the site of the fatal wound.
“My client fired in defense of his partner,” said Brian Millikan, who is representing both officers who fired at Mansur Ball-Bey.
The officers were in separate positions in the backyard when one of them fired three shots and the other fired a single shot, which struck Ball-Bey in the back, killing him, Millikan said.
“Both policemen had multiple opportunities to engage this guy and they didn’t do that because he never pointed a weapon at them until he got to the rear yard,” Millikan said of his clients, with whom he sat Friday as they gave their statements to detectives at police headquarters. “But when (Ball-Bey) turns toward (one officer) with a gun that has an extended clip with a 30-round magazine, the policemen have no choice but to pull the trigger.
“(The officer) has 16 rounds and only fires one time. The narrative that’s out there now is that (Ball-Bey) was shot in the back because he was running away, and that’s just not true.”
Chief Sam Dotson said at a press conference Friday that he could not yet say whether the shooting was justified because the facts were still developing. He also urged the public to withhold judgment on the shooting until all the facts from the investigations were in.
“There is no benefit to not putting out the complete truth,” Dotson said. “What the community has to understand is that the complete truth takes time to put together.”
Dotson said two officers fired at Ball-Bey Wednesday as he pointed a gun at them while trying to flee from a raid at what the chief described as a known place “for drugs and guns” on Walton Avenue near Page Boulevard. Police said Ball-Bey did not fire; no officers were hurt.
The only round that struck Ball-Bey hit him in the mid- to upper-back, according to St. Louis Medical Examiner Dr. Michael Graham.
Graham declined to elaborate on the trajectory and exact location of the wound, saying he did not want to compromise any of the incoming witness statements.
Dotson said: “The new facts by themselves do not paint a complete picture. I do not want to speculate on the outcome. It’s more important now than ever that the facts be exposed properly.”
Apart from two officers involved in the shooting, Dotson said one civilian witness corroborated official statements that Ball-Bey had pointed a gun at officers. He called on more witnesses to come forward, including a 14-year-old who fled from the scene.
Jermaine Wooten, an attorney for Ball-Bey’s family, said witnesses and family members had told him Ball-Bey had been unarmed.
“I told them, ‘If you want me to represent you, don’t lie to me. Did he have a gun?’ And they all said, ‘No,’ ” Wooten said.
Ball-Bey’s cousin, Shonetda Ball, owns the house where the shooting took place. She said she didn’t know why he had been there. She said that only one tenant remained, and that when that person leaves she plans to board up the house because she is tired of the police harassing the residents.
The two police officers involved in the shooting are white and in their late 20s and early 30s. Millikan and the department have not released their names. Dotson said they had been police officers for about seven years.
“I have not seen anything in their disciplinary histories that cause me pause,” Dotson said.
Hours after Dotson’s press conference, Joyce announced at a separate one that her office would conduct the simultaneous investigation into the shooting.
Joyce told reporters that calls from the community and leaders prompted her to begin her work immediately.
“It is vital that we conduct a thorough, meticulous and independent review of this and all officer-involved shootings,” Joyce said. “We will work as quickly as possible to gather available facts, evidence and witness statements.”
Joyce added: “I want nothing more than to reach the right conclusion here. I want there to be peace in this city.”
Adolphus M. Pruitt, president of the St. Louis branch of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, joined Joyce at the press conference and called parallel investigations “powerful tools.”
Pruitt also said he planned to request that Missouri Attorney General Chris Koster conduct a full review of the St. Louis Police Department’s policies and that Koster assist in securing funding for body cameras for police officers.
Dotson said he welcomed Joyce’s review, adding that his department was used to conducting joint investigations with other agencies, such as the FBI.
“It’s not a problem,” he said of Joyce’s involvement. “What it does is speeds up the investigative process and the final report, so the public gets answers more quickly and I think that’s a good thing.”
He said he also planned to send the department’s final report on the shooting to Richard Callahan, the U.S. attorney for eastern Missouri, for his review.
The police department’s Force Investigative Unit turned over investigations into the fatal police shootings of Kajieme Powell and VonDerrit Myers to Joyce’s office months ago.
Myers died in October. Joyce released her findings in that case in May, saying the officer involved should not be charged. Myers also sustained gunshots to the back of his legs, a point his family and their attorneys, who include Wooten, said illustrated he had been running away.
David Klinger, a University of Missouri-St. Louis criminologist who has studied hundreds of officer-involved shootings, said it was not unheard of for those killed by police to sustain wounds to their backs. The Supreme Court has ruled it constitutional to shoot someone in the back if an officer believes that person could be a threat.
“The issue isn’t where the round hits, it’s what the perceived threat was at the time the officer fired,” he said. “If it was reasonable for these officers to believe he was a threat, then shots in the back mean nothing. If it’s unreasonable, then he shouldn’t have been shot, but we don’t know without knowing all the information.”
Joyce said Friday that she would release the findings of the Powell investigation in the next few weeks. He died in August.
Dotson also urged the community to remain calm as the investigation continued, but said he had briefed Gov. Jay Nixon on the situation and put officers on 12-hour shifts through the weekend as a precaution in light of the protests that have followed the shooting. On Wednesday, a car and a building were torched and a store was ransacked during a protest near the shooting scene.
After a protest late Thursday, which included blocking traffic in the Central West End, Dotson said some of the demonstrators had damaged cars and assaulted people.
One of the victims was St. Louis Alderman Lyda Krewson, who said that she had been shoved into a fence and that a man she was with had been punched. -
How is being shot in the back not straight up murder?
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http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/police-union-slams-circuit-attorney-over-investigation-into-officer-involved/article_0fc64978-1e76-5073-87b0-8d12d1c9d2ca.htmlPolice union slams circuit attorney over investigation into officer-involved fatal shooting
The head of the city’s police union slammed Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce on Saturday about her decision to conduct an investigation separate from the ongoing police inquiry into the killing of Mansur Ball-Bey by an officer this past week.
Ball-Bey, 18, was shot in the back.
The killing, and the violent confrontation between police and protesters that followed, came less than two weeks after officers and protesters faced off on the one-year anniversary of Michael Brown’s killing by then-Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson.
Joyce’s decision is a departure from the usual protocol in which her office would wait until getting the results of the police investigation before conducting its own.
The separate and simultaneous investigations did not sit well with Joe Steiger, president of the St. Louis Police Officers’ Association, who called Joyce’s decision politically motivated.
“Jennifer Joyce’s announcement is a discredit to the members of the St. Louis Metropolitan Police Department,” Steiger said in a statement.
Steiger also took exception to Joyce making her announcement while standing next to representatives from the NAACP.
“The involved officers welcome an impartial investigation in which the sole purpose is to determine and report the facts of the incident,” Steiger said.
Aligning herself with the civil rights organization, “suggests this investigation is motivated by political appeasement and not the pursuit of truth and justice,” he said.
After hearing of the police union’s position on Saturday, Joyce said she was having a difficult time understanding why she has come under attack.
“Our announcement clearly indicated the Circuit Attorney’s Office would be conducting the exact same review as under normal protocol; the office is simply beginning immediately and expediting the process,” she said in a statement.
Starting the process immediately won’t change the nature of the review nor the approach of the people conducting the investigation, she added.
Despite Steiger’s anger, not everyone in the law enforcement community is upset about the parallel investigations.
St. Louis Police Chief Sam Dotson said he welcomed Joyce’s review, adding that his department is used to conducting joint investigations with other agencies, including the FBI.
“It’s not a problem,” Dotson said last week. “What it does is speeds up the investigative process and the final report, so the public gets answers more quickly, and I think that’s a good thing.”
Dotson has defended his officers since Wednesday’s shooting. But at a news conference Friday, he could not say whether the shooting was justified. He said the facts were still being sought and that it would do no good to rush to judgment.
Two officers fired at Ball-Bey on Wednesday while serving a warrant at Walton Avenue near Page Boulevard. Police said he was armed and pointed a gun at them.
Some protesters dismissed the explanation as the standard police narrative following a shooting. -
stringer bell wrote: »http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/police-union-slams-circuit-attorney-over-investigation-into-officer-involved/article_0fc64978-1e76-5073-87b0-8d12d1c9d2ca.htmlPolice union slams circuit attorney over investigation into officer-involved fatal shooting
The head of the city’s police union slammed Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce on Saturday about her decision to conduct an investigation separate from the ongoing police inquiry into the killing of Mansur Ball-Bey by an officer this past week.
Ball-Bey, 18, was shot in the back.
The killing, and the violent confrontation between police and protesters that followed, came less than two weeks after officers and protesters faced off on the one-year anniversary of Michael Brown’s killing by then-Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson.
Joyce’s decision is a departure from the usual protocol in which her office would wait until getting the results of the police investigation before conducting its own.
The separate and simultaneous investigations did not sit well with Joe Steiger, president of the St. Louis Police Officers’ Association, who called Joyce’s decision politically motivated.
“Jennifer Joyce’s announcement is a discredit to the members of the St. Louis Metropolitan Police Department,” Steiger said in a statement.
Steiger also took exception to Joyce making her announcement while standing next to representatives from the NAACP.
“The involved officers welcome an impartial investigation in which the sole purpose is to determine and report the facts of the incident,” Steiger said.
Aligning herself with the civil rights organization, “suggests this investigation is motivated by political appeasement and not the pursuit of truth and justice,” he said.
After hearing of the police union’s position on Saturday, Joyce said she was having a difficult time understanding why she has come under attack.
“Our announcement clearly indicated the Circuit Attorney’s Office would be conducting the exact same review as under normal protocol; the office is simply beginning immediately and expediting the process,” she said in a statement.
Starting the process immediately won’t change the nature of the review nor the approach of the people conducting the investigation, she added.
Despite Steiger’s anger, not everyone in the law enforcement community is upset about the parallel investigations.
St. Louis Police Chief Sam Dotson said he welcomed Joyce’s review, adding that his department is used to conducting joint investigations with other agencies, including the FBI.
“It’s not a problem,” Dotson said last week. “What it does is speeds up the investigative process and the final report, so the public gets answers more quickly, and I think that’s a good thing.”
Dotson has defended his officers since Wednesday’s shooting. But at a news conference Friday, he could not say whether the shooting was justified. He said the facts were still being sought and that it would do no good to rush to judgment.
Two officers fired at Ball-Bey on Wednesday while serving a warrant at Walton Avenue near Page Boulevard. Police said he was armed and pointed a gun at them.
Some protesters dismissed the explanation as the standard police narrative following a shooting.
These ? even get mad at being investigated
"how dare you make sure we're doing our jobs correctly and not killing people ? -nilly"
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Yaaaawn he's just a ? in a funny wearing hat. he's no different than all the other brothas n sista they killed.Malcolm Xtra wrote: »This case is gonna be handled differently....and I see why.
Joyce’s decision is a departure from the usual protocol in which her office would wait until getting the results of the police investigation before conducting its own.
The separate and simultaneous investigations did not sit well with Joe Steiger, president of the St. Louis Police Officers’ Association, who called Joyce’s decision politically motivated.
Mansur Ball-Bey, who was killed by St. Louis police during a raid upon an aunt's residence near Fountain Park on Wednesday, Aug. 19, 2015. His family belonged to Moorish Science Temple of America, at 2918 Sarah Avenue. Members wear a hat called a fez, and many include Bey or El in their last names. Photo courtesy of family
Media outlets along with the police department are stripping away his identity by callin him "black" which when it is clear that he identified as a Moor and has a Moorish name "Mansur Ball-Bey". They are violating a number of his rights.
Its gonna be interesting on how this one turns out.
they already started their smear campaign against dude. they already stated he had a gun etc etc.
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Malcolm Xtra wrote: »
Yaaaawn he's just a ? in a funny wearing hat. he's no different than all the other brothas n sista they killed.Malcolm Xtra wrote: »This case is gonna be handled differently....and I see why.
Joyce’s decision is a departure from the usual protocol in which her office would wait until getting the results of the police investigation before conducting its own.
The separate and simultaneous investigations did not sit well with Joe Steiger, president of the St. Louis Police Officers’ Association, who called Joyce’s decision politically motivated.
Mansur Ball-Bey, who was killed by St. Louis police during a raid upon an aunt's residence near Fountain Park on Wednesday, Aug. 19, 2015. His family belonged to Moorish Science Temple of America, at 2918 Sarah Avenue. Members wear a hat called a fez, and many include Bey or El in their last names. Photo courtesy of family
Media outlets along with the police department are stripping away his identity by callin him "black" which when it is clear that he identified as a Moor and has a Moorish name "Mansur Ball-Bey". They are violating a number of his rights.
Its gonna be interesting on how this one turns out.
they already started their smear campaign against dude. they already stated he had a gun etc etc.
smh......
You must work for st louis pd...Its Moors out there already mobilizing and putting a plan fighting for equal justice...And I believe nuthin the police say.
Mansur Ball-Bey The Moor Was Shot In The Back By Slave Patrols (Police)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ut63vYANoww
Mansur Ball-Bey: Moorish Martyr Murdered By Slave Patrols
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qenldtgv1d8
What u doing besides hating?
u can take that straw man "what r u doing" line home.
I'm addressing the fact that, in America, ? who wear funny hats and nicknames are just ? just like that rest of us.
all that goofy ? is nothing.
The simple fact the cop shot the kid in the back, lied about it, and is still on the force... why homie pops aint unrolled a scroll, headed to the precent, and recited section 3 paragraph 2 to get the cop responsible locked up? -
Malcolm Xtra wrote: »Malcolm Xtra wrote: »
Yaaaawn he's just a ? in a funny wearing hat. he's no different than all the other brothas n sista they killed.Malcolm Xtra wrote: »This case is gonna be handled differently....and I see why.
Joyce’s decision is a departure from the usual protocol in which her office would wait until getting the results of the police investigation before conducting its own.
The separate and simultaneous investigations did not sit well with Joe Steiger, president of the St. Louis Police Officers’ Association, who called Joyce’s decision politically motivated.
Mansur Ball-Bey, who was killed by St. Louis police during a raid upon an aunt's residence near Fountain Park on Wednesday, Aug. 19, 2015. His family belonged to Moorish Science Temple of America, at 2918 Sarah Avenue. Members wear a hat called a fez, and many include Bey or El in their last names. Photo courtesy of family
Media outlets along with the police department are stripping away his identity by callin him "black" which when it is clear that he identified as a Moor and has a Moorish name "Mansur Ball-Bey". They are violating a number of his rights.
Its gonna be interesting on how this one turns out.
they already started their smear campaign against dude. they already stated he had a gun etc etc.
smh......
You must work for st louis pd...Its Moors out there already mobilizing and putting a plan fighting for equal justice...And I believe nuthin the police say.
Mansur Ball-Bey The Moor Was Shot In The Back By Slave Patrols (Police)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ut63vYANoww
Mansur Ball-Bey: Moorish Martyr Murdered By Slave Patrolshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qenldtgv1d8
What u doing besides hating?
u can take that straw man "what r u doing" line home.
I'm addressing the fact that, in America, ? who wear funny hats and nicknames are just ? just like that rest of us.
all that goofy ? is nothing.
The simple fact the cop shot the kid in the back, lied about it, and is still on the force... why homie pops aint unrolled a scroll, headed to the precent, and recited section 3 paragraph 2 to get the cop responsible locked up?
Either u white or u black and white on the inside because u sound just like a racist white...
Maybe u wanna except being a ? and being called a ? but don't put that ? on the rest of us....
It's folks of African descent In the Americas who know their history and reject the labels that the European put on us to identify us...if u wanna be a ? then coo but don't put that ? on all of us.
And like I said it's gonna be interesting to see how this ? turns out and nothig u say will change how I view the situation.
Yaaaawn get this "i may be in a prison, locked in chains, but my mind is on the outside, attending a pool party" outta here...
Last i checked, u live in a country that honors wht supremacy, don't u ?
Your skin dark, aint it?
? b kidding themselves. Them fezzzzzz got u ? dizzy. -
How is being shot in the back not straight up murder?
Bruh, if you can get away with shooting a ? in the back...who has no weapon...and is handcuffed behind his back...on the ground...then you can get away with anything. -
Malcolm Xtra wrote: »Malcolm Xtra wrote: »
Yaaaawn he's just a ? in a funny wearing hat. he's no different than all the other brothas n sista they killed.Malcolm Xtra wrote: »This case is gonna be handled differently....and I see why.
Joyce’s decision is a departure from the usual protocol in which her office would wait until getting the results of the police investigation before conducting its own.
The separate and simultaneous investigations did not sit well with Joe Steiger, president of the St. Louis Police Officers’ Association, who called Joyce’s decision politically motivated.
Mansur Ball-Bey, who was killed by St. Louis police during a raid upon an aunt's residence near Fountain Park on Wednesday, Aug. 19, 2015. His family belonged to Moorish Science Temple of America, at 2918 Sarah Avenue. Members wear a hat called a fez, and many include Bey or El in their last names. Photo courtesy of family
Media outlets along with the police department are stripping away his identity by callin him "black" which when it is clear that he identified as a Moor and has a Moorish name "Mansur Ball-Bey". They are violating a number of his rights.
Its gonna be interesting on how this one turns out.
they already started their smear campaign against dude. they already stated he had a gun etc etc.
smh......
You must work for st louis pd...Its Moors out there already mobilizing and putting a plan fighting for equal justice...And I believe nuthin the police say.
Mansur Ball-Bey The Moor Was Shot In The Back By Slave Patrols (Police)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ut63vYANoww
Mansur Ball-Bey: Moorish Martyr Murdered By Slave Patrolshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qenldtgv1d8
What u doing besides hating?
u can take that straw man "what r u doing" line home.
I'm addressing the fact that, in America, ? who wear funny hats and nicknames are just ? just like that rest of us.
all that goofy ? is nothing.
The simple fact the cop shot the kid in the back, lied about it, and is still on the force... why homie pops aint unrolled a scroll, headed to the precent, and recited section 3 paragraph 2 to get the cop responsible locked up?
Either u white or u black and white on the inside because u sound just like a racist white...
Maybe u wanna except being a ? and being called a ? but don't put that ? on the rest of us....
It's folks of African descent In the Americas who know their history and reject the labels that the European put on us to identify us...if u wanna be a ? then coo but don't put that ? on all of us.
And like I said it's gonna be interesting to see how this ? turns out and nothig u say will change how I view the situation.
Yaaaawn get this "i may be in a prison, locked in chains, but my mind is on the outside, attending a pool party" outta here...
Last i checked, u live in a country that honors wht supremacy, don't u ?
Your skin dark, aint it?
? b kidding themselves. Them fezzzzzz got u ? dizzy.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/24/us-usa-police-shooting-idUSKCN0QT2BJ20150824Lawyer says police account of shooting Missouri teen untrue, lawsuit coming
Lawyers representing the family of a black teenager fatally shot in the back last week by police in St. Louis, Missouri, said Monday that interviews with several witnesses who were at the scene contradict the police account of the incident.
At least six different witnesses have provided information about the Aug. 19 shooting of Mansur Ball-Bey to two lawyers representing the 18-year-old's family, and none say the teen was in the house that officers said he ran out of just before they shot him, according to attorney Jerry Christmas.
Christmas said he and co-counsel Jermaine Wooten have also interviewed the teenager who was with Ball-Bey just before he was shot, and the boy disputes police accounts that Ball-Bey was carrying a gun that he pointed at officers.
"The cops' account doesn't wash," said Christmas. "He was not even in the house."
Christmas said the family is preparing to sue the St. Louis Police Department, and a petition could be filed as early as next week.
The police department did not respond to a request for comment.
Ball-Bey's was killed when St. Louis police were attempting to execute a search warrant at a home in a crime-ridden neighborhood. Two plains-clothes officers encountered Ball-Bey and another black teenager as they ran out the back door of the house where the search warrant was being executed, police said last week.
The two police officers, both of whom are white, said that Ball-Bey pointed a gun at them and they both fired in response.
An autopsy found Ball-Bey died from a single gunshot that entered his back and struck his heart.
Police said they recovered the gun and determined it was stolen.
Last week, Police Chief Sam Dotson said police had one witness who supported the account that Ball-Bey had pointed a gun at officers.
The killing triggered protests last week similar to those seen in the nearby suburb of Ferguson after the police shooting of black, unarmed teenager Michael Brown a year ago. -
If a person is genuinely fearful for their safety/life, it is lawful to use lethal force to protect yourself.
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http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/attorneys-try-to-pick-apart-st-louis-police-narrative-of/article_7d2951ec-86a1-59d0-9699-dc9306f6e3b6.htmlAttorneys try to pick apart St. Louis police narrative of fatal officer involved shooting
ST. LOUIS • Attorneys for the family of Mansur Ball-Bey, the 18-year-old fatally shot by police last week while executing a search warrant for drugs and guns, on Monday led reporters on a tour of the home to bolster their position that he wasn’t in the house when it was raided.
Police have said Ball-Bey and a 14-year-old ran out the back door of the residence and encountered two officers in the alley. They say Ball-Bey pointed a stolen handgun with an extended magazine at one of them.
The second-story flat at 1243 Walton Avenue has a long, steep rear staircase that leads to a door secured with a board. From there, attorneys showed how Ball-Bey would have had to run across the backyard, hop a fence into the alley, then run through another nearby backyard to the south and down a gangway before collapsing from a single gunshot wound to the back.
“The police narration isn’t plausible at all,” Jermaine Wooten, an attorney for Ball-Bey’s family, said at the scene. “That’s a lot of running he would have had to do to get to this point.”
Ball-Bey’s cousins live at the residence, but they told attorneys he wasn’t at the home when police arrived. They said he was coming there from work at FedEx shortly before the shooting.
Wooten said the 14-year-old boy who escaped arrest told him in an interview that he and Ball-Bey were unarmed and had been surprised to see two men with guns run up on them in the back alley. He said the 14-year-old said they ran to avoid attack and didn’t realize the two men were police officers.
“If we had body cameras we wouldn’t have the controversy we are having now,” added attorney Jerryl Christmas.
Representatives of the St. Louis police Force Investigative Unit also showed up Monday for the tour. They weren’t allowed inside the home, but they video-recorded some of the attorneys’ statements.
“Mr. Wooten has obviously talked to witnesses that we haven’t talked to,” Lt. Roger Engelhardt said at the scene. “We encourage those witnesses to come forward so we can interview them and get their perspective on this incident.”
Engelhardt declined to answer specific questions about the case for fear that it would influence witness statements. He wouldn’t comment about the two officers involved in the incident.
While attorneys tried to punch holes in the official narrative of the case, Christmas and Wooten said they haven’t asked witnesses about the ? and stolen guns police found at the residence. “We were not interested in that portion of it,” Wooten said.
Meanwhile, funeral services for Ball-Bey are set for this weekend. A short visitation will be held Saturday before a 10:30 a.m. funeral service at Christ Pilgrim Rest Missionary Baptist Church, 1341 North Kingshighway. -
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkWnMyMoPhgAttorneys discuss evidence in Mansur Ball-Bey case live from crime scene -
Those Moors be having the boys SHOOK because they know the law. Someone posted a video of a man who was a Moor recording himself going in on police that put his son in the back of a police car. Needless to say at the end of the video they let his son go LOL.
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http://www.riverfronttimes.com/newsblog/2015/08/25/post-dispatch-deletes-mention-of-fingerprints-dna-evidence-from-coverage-of-police-shootingPost-Dispatch Deletes Mention of Fingerprints, DNA Evidence from Coverage of Police Shooting
This morning, eagle-eyed Twitter user tchop_stl pointed out a curious change in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch coverage of last week's police shooting of Mansur Ball-Bey. Police say the eighteen-year-old pointed a gun before two officers opened fire, killing the teen, and the initial report from the Post-Dispatch included this detail:
Police sources tell the Post-Dispatch that investigators found fingerprints and DNA on the gun police say Ball-Bey pointed at them, but the results are not yet available. Sources also say a witness has come forward who heard the officers' shots, then saw Ball-Bey throw his weapon before running through a gangway and collapsing in the front yard.
But the paragraph, preserved in a cached version of the story, was deleted without explanation sometime after the article was published.
tchop _stl tweeted his confusion about the missing, anonymously-sourced paragraph, rightly pointing out that the existence of DNA and fingerprints evidence is hardly a minor detail in this story. Lawyers for Ball-Bey's family insist the teen was not armed when an officer shot him in the back on August 19, following what police say was a raid on a known drug house in the Fountain Park neighborhood. The existence of such evidence could add clarity to a police shooting that's already the target of multiple investigations and intense public scrutiny.
This wouldn't be the first the time Post-Dispatch ran into problems with relying on "police sources."
When Dorian Johnson, a witness to Michael Brown's death last year, was arrested in May during a block party, the Post-Dispatch initially cited unnamed police sources to report that Johnson was suspected of possessing a drink containing "cough medication mixed with what police believe to be an illegal narcotic."
When the drink was tested in a lab, however, no drugs were found.
Another example can be found in the newspaper's coverage of the November arrests of two local members of the New Black Panther Party. When the Post-Dispatch broke the news, the article cited "sources close to the investigation" to describe how the two men used a girlfriend's Electronic Benefit Transfer card to buy pipe bombs.
The detail was again mentioned up in followup story but disappeared from the Post-Dispatch's later coverage. In June, we asked U.S. Attorney Richard Callahan about the matter, he said the "sources close to the investigation" were not from his office and that the details about the welfare card and girlfriend were flat-out false.
As with the Ball-Bey article, no corrections were added to either story to acknowledge that the anonymously sourced police info wasn't true.
We've reached out to the two Post-Dispatch reporters bylined on the Ball-Bey story, Christine Byers and Jesse Bogan. We'll update the story if/when we hear back.
Update 10:30 a.m.: tchop_stl informs us that livestreamer Heather De Mian was actually the first notice the Post-Dispatch's editing of the Ball-Bey story. -
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/st-louis-police-have-interviewed--year-old-who-fled/article_20ffc293-4ba2-55dc-bec2-468147f30f10.html
St. Louis police have interviewed 14-year-old who fled from scene of fatal shooting
ST. LOUIS • St. Louis police have interviewed a 14-year-old they say fled from the scene where police fatally shot an 18-year-old whom they say pointed a gun at them while running from a police raid.
Police spokeswoman Leah Freeman said the boy came to police headquarters to speak with detectives Tuesday, accompanied by his mother and an attorney.
She said police have not referred the teen to juvenile authorities, but would not comment on the information the teen shared with detectives.
Police say the teen along with Mansur Ball-Bey, 18, ran out the back door of a home Aug. 19 along the 1200 block of Walton Avenue as police were executing a search warrant there for drugs and guns.
They say Ball-Bey pointed a stolen handgun with an extended magazine at one of them.
One officer fired three shots and another fired once. An attorney for the officers, Brian Millikan, said one of his clients was standing at a different angle to Ball-Bey and fired once, fatally striking Ball-Bey in the back, in defense of his partner. -
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/man-shot-by-st-louis-police-had-severed-spine-raising/article_0bf0b269-4fa6-54b2-a7a9-9a536d1fc4a1.htmlMan shot by St. Louis police had severed spine, raising question of how he ran
ST. LOUIS • Mansur Ball-Bey, shot last week by police, suffered a severed spinal cord, officials disclosed Wednesday, leading to questions of whether such a wound would have permitted him to run a short distance, as officers have said.
Dr. Michael Graham, the medical examiner, arranged a re-examination of the body Wednesday and told a reporter that Ball-Bey’s spinal cord may have survived the impact but unraveled as he ran. In any event, the bullet also pierced his heart, which still would have been fatal.
Attorney Jermaine Wooten, who is representing Ball-Bey’s family, said the second examination at Graham’s office is “suspicious.”
“That’s a clear indication to me that given the initial results they learned from the initial autopsy, it doesn’t support the position the police laid out at first as it relates to Bey being shot and running, so they want to take a second look to modify those findings,” Wooten said. “These things should have been addressed early on and I don’t see why they are taking a second look when it should have been thorough and complete the first time.
“It makes me a bit suspicious as to what really could be going on here. But until we get the results, it would be premature to give a strong statement either way.”
Police have said that Ball-Bey, 18, ran out the back door of a home on the 1200 block of Walton Avenue around noon Aug. 19 as officers were serving a search warrant seeking drugs and guns. Authorities said two officers fired when Ball-Bey pointed a handgun with an extended magazine at one of them.
Investigators said Ball-Bey dropped the weapon in the back yard after he was shot once, in the back, and ran through a gangway to the front yard before collapsing. The weapon turned out to be stolen.
Said Graham: “There is a possibility that it was damaged at point A and severed at point B. I’m not sure I have ever seen it before, but conceptually, I can see how it can happen.
“It’s medically impossible to run when the spinal cord is severed, but the question is, when did the severing occur? If it’s severely bruised on one side, and it started to disrupt, it’s like when you cut a rope with a knife. The rope starts to tear before you cut it all the way through. That’s the situation we’re trying to evaluate.”
Graham said he is seeking opinions from neurosurgeons who have dealt with spinal trauma injuries.
“The initial damage to the spinal cord such as bruising weakened it, and it’s possible that it had begun to tear but not before he had run some distance,” he said. “It’s very complicated, so we need to do what we can to figure this out.”
He said it is not unusual for someone mortally wounded in the heart to be able to run.
Graham also said, “There are no conspiracies here. More information is usually not conspiracy oriented.”
He said the second examination was timed not to disrupt the funeral and to avoid a possible need to exhume the body later. Graham said he has asked to re-examine bodies in the past, and that it’s “nothing I would consider rare.”
Wooten said the family is considering hiring a private pathologist to conduct another autopsy.
Graham said he has all of the tissue samples and documentation available for another pathologist to review.
Brian Millikan, an attorney for the officers who fired, has explained how Ball-Bey came to be wounded from behind. Millikan said they were standing in different locations, and that Ball-Bey turned his back to one while pointing the gun at the other.
Department spokeswoman Schron Jackson issued a statement Wednesday that said, “There are multiple layers of this investigation and we support each agency involved as we work to determine the facts of what occurred on Wednesday, Aug. 19.”
Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce is conducting a parallel investigation — a departure from the recently established protocol of waiting for a police investigation of an officer-involved killing to conclude before embarking on a separate review.
Also Wednesday, police confirmed that on Tuesday they interviewed a boy, 14, who they said ran from the house with Ball-Bey and escaped. But they would not reveal what he said. Police spokeswoman Leah Freeman said officials have not referred him to juvenile authorities.
Wooten and attorney Jerryl Christmas have insisted that Ball-Bey was not even in the house when it was raided.
Wooten said the 14-year-old told police he did not witness the shooting and had never seen a real gun in his life, only a BB gun. The lawyer said the teen knew Ball-Bey as a visitor to his relatives at the house on Walton, and never saw him with a gun.
Police were still awaiting test results from fingerprints and DNA obtained from the gun they say Ball-Bey brandished. Wooten said he did not know the results of those tests. -
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