Is the world really designed? Is it perfectly planned?
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kingblaze84 wrote: »AI agree with everything you said except that you CANNOT create your own reality. With all due respect, that's complete ? . There are people in Pakistan right now living around flooded waters with no toilets, food, or secure shelter. I'm sure they'd like to create a more perfect reality but.........yeah they can't.
We all make the best of the reality around us, as Jay-Z said in his great book, Decoded. I recommend everyone get it.
You are thinking individually, i am talking collectively (all 6 billion souls). What is happening to the people in Pakistan is as a result of the reality we created. Some must suffer for others to prosper, how then could you measure prosperity, if everybody prospered, what would you compare it to? Pain and suffering, pleasures and pain is the reality we have created and as i have mentioned before life and death is part of the perfect design.
The problems we are experiencing now is that the negative forces are conquering the postives and we need to bring things back into balance, perhaps tipping back the scale to more positve experiences. -
FuriousOne wrote: »How would you know if the world was designed or not? Can we call it perfect? Certainly you can observe a human created object and notice an attempt at perfection, but perfection of what? Can it be considered perfect if the design no longer serves a purpose? What purpose does the human design offer to earth? can this planet continue on without us?
here's my take. To design to construct or make a plan? Does a human contain a design? You can say DNA is a blueprint for a growing functioning human. But is it perfect? Is it static? No. We already know that it's an imperfect design because we adapt and change all the time do to the chaotic nature of earth.
We can't predict the weather or an earthquake (yet). You know that it can happen but hardly where or when until it occurs. The most we can do is prepare. So if we are designed, we know that it's an imperfect design do to the necessity for us to constantly adapt even if presently we adapt artificially with technology.
I ask, If a design is fleeting do to the chaotic nature of the universe, then what is the purpose of a single unique design or plan? Can a single plan or method of design survive the universe? Is the world and are humans planned or are we and the world around us random?
A Griot (Storyteller) from South Africa explains the origin of the Earth and the universe in a question and answer session at this website:http://www.angelfire.com/planet/blackrootswisdom/BookPages1.html According to him, his tribe have been taught this since their civilization began:
The law of creation is the law of cycles, which says the end point is the same as the beginning point, and the cycle repeats. A flower starts with a seed and ends with a seed, so that it may start again and continue forever. The cycle starts with the electron and ends with the universe. It ends where it began, so that it may start again and continue, without beginning and without end.
8. If the earth is a mini-universe, is it not intuitive to think that it was a full universe at the beginning? And if the electron is a mini-earth, could it not have been a full earth also? If the universe is made of star systems and star systems are made of atoms, does that not say atoms are the original star systems of the beginning?
9. The present universe originated from the universe of the past, and that one from the one before. There never was a time when a universe did not exist. Just as people are born of people, and flowers come from flowers, so also do universes come from universes. There is no beginning and no end. It has always been, and ever shall be.
10. Our Ancestors teach the story of creation as follows:
Long, long ago the earth was a full-size universe. Its present atoms were the stars of that universe, and they were 125 billion trillion trillion in number, filling space farther than the eye could see, stretching across that universe, which was 16 trillion trillion miles across. Just like every flower grows in its season and reaches full maturity, the universe has its season also, called its duration. At the end it reaches full maturity.
11. When that universe of our Ancestors reached full maturity, it was time for it to give birth to a new universe, to continue the cycle of creation. Just as a flower folds itself into a tiny seed, which later unfolds into a full-fledged flower, so did the previous universe fold into a single earth. ? , whose Mind is infinite, and to whom star systems are as atoms in size, gathered all these stars into a single sphere which became our earth. The stars of that entire previous universe became the atoms of the new earth.
12. That is how the first earth of a new universe is always created. Then new stars filled the space around that earth, and our universe came into being. -
FuriousOne wrote: »You claim it to be from the creator with no physical evidence attaching it. That's hearsay. What is so special about this physical evidence other then the fact that it looks cool? Does a asteroid serve a purpose? It is physical after all.
The Holy Bible counts as physical evidence. Tho the Holy Bible in itself is a very powerful testament to the existence of a Creator, it's still only one piece to the puzzle of a much much larger case.
Even without using the Bible, the existence of the physical universe and everything in it argues that something greater must exist, whereby the physical universe came into existence.
And i've said this before - it's not a matter of there being no evidence, it's a matter of what a person sees as being behind the evidence that does exist. -
solid analysis wrote: »The Holy Bible counts as physical evidence. Tho the Holy Bible in itself is a very powerful testament to the existence of a Creator, it's still only one piece to the puzzle of a much much larger case.
Even without using the Bible, the existence of the physical universe and everything in it argues that something greater must exist, whereby the physical universe came into existence.
And i've said this before - it's not a matter of there being no evidence, it's a matter of what a person sees as being behind the evidence that does exist.
The bible is written by a collective of men. It only serves evidence that men like writing books. The men in the bible claim their own divinity in the name of ? with little evidence other then fancy words and magic tales.
Greater by what aspect? Something greater already exist. There are suns that would engulf our solar system but it holds no consciousness. We no this because we can measure it. There is no concern for our divinity in this universe. We are adapted and born of this world and must take our world with us to travel to another planet. If this universe was meant to play host, it's a pretty ? host. -
KTULU IS BACK wrote: »DNA replication constantly makes errors, resulting in diseases, retardation, deformity, etc.
Think about kids who were born ? . If that's ? 's handiwork, then ? is ? .
The "deformed" and "? " are not an "error/mistake".
? allows these differences to happen as part of our learning process.
Our life in the flesh in THIS WORLD is a "drop in the bucked" compared to the ETERNAL LIFE.
You don't believe in ? /eternal life ? Well, there's your problem. -
FuriousOne wrote: »Thanks for at least getting on topic John. Maybe your not the old boy rapping weirdo that I accused yo of.
Now lets ponder this. Can DNA be considered a perfect design if it requires replication in order to adapt? If it isn't perfect, then what this this say about gods infallibility. Why not make a perfect design that does not require adaptation? What creates the need for adaptation or evolution in the first place? Evolution is not so much an instant change but the end result of humans that were able to survive things that killed other humans. The ability to survive in the Artic by artificial means tells me that naturally, our design was flawed and we could not do it without manufacturing something to protect us where as other animals did just fine (raindeer). Why not just make us adaptable to all weather from the start?
Let's also ponder this: even for ? , there had to be a first time. A start.
Ya gotta make bricks before you can make a brick house.
? didnt' start with elephants. Had to start with something more similar to bacteria and work up.
Living beings "evolved" ,... just like technology evolves,... Due to intelligent input.
Like with technology, many early creations were discontinued. -
John Prewett wrote: »Let's also ponder this: even for ? , there had to be a first time. A start.
Ya gotta make bricks before you can make a brick house.
? didnt' start with elephants. Had to start with something more similar to bacteria and work up.
Living beings "evolved" ,... just like technology evolves,... Due to intelligent input.
Like with technology, many early creations were discontinued.
Riiiiight, so Christians can think that you start with "bacteria" for animals, but with man they just came from dust, literal dirt. Um, ooookay. -
well... The answer is the design is not perfect. The world was perfect. DNA/design would have been perfect, but adam chose sin, so the universe is not perfect anymore.
It's like computer programs. The world was the delux version of a software, but man chose to download the limited, time restricted, more buggy, demo of the application -
well... The answer is the design is not perfect. The world was perfect. DNA/design would have been perfect, but adam chose sin, so the universe is not perfect anymore.
It's like computer programs. The world was the delux version of a software, but man chose to download the limited, time restricted, more buggy, demo of the application
There is absolutely NO computer program ever invented that was ever perfect ever. You have no proof of this Adam theory other then your bible.
It is proven that we derived from less complex life forms that weren't perfect either. -
John Prewett wrote: »Let's also ponder this: even for ? , there had to be a first time. A start.
Ya gotta make bricks before you can make a brick house.
? didnt' start with elephants. Had to start with something more similar to bacteria and work up.
Living beings "evolved" ,... just like technology evolves,... Due to intelligent input.
Like with technology, many early creations were discontinued.
If ? is perfect as the bible implies, then those methods that you allude to are unnecessary. The evolution of technology is only the same as where the best marketed software will survive. This does not conclude that that software is better then another application with less revenue behind it. Look at the Microsoft vs Apple argument. And i actually like Microsoft better but even though apple is more stable, they don't have the market. There are animals that survive more effectively then us with less input. Look at the Jelly Fish and the Rat. -
John Prewett wrote: »The "deformed" and "? " are not an "error/mistake".
? allows these differences to happen as part of our learning process.
Our life in the flesh in THIS WORLD is a "drop in the bucked" compared to the ETERNAL LIFE.
You don't believe in ? /eternal life ? Well, there's your problem. [/SIZE]
yes they are. Development was interrupted. The pattern that DNA intended to develop was corrupted. This is evident by the fact that many of these people need extra assistance beyond the norm to survive where as in the wild animals would have eating their ? young already.
I don't believe in the tooth fairy either. I guess i'll have to get a dental plan.
