Texas CHURCH SHOOTING: 20 Shots fired during service (27 Dead- 20+ Injured)
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The Lonious Monk wrote: »The Lonious Monk wrote: »2stepz_ahead wrote: »to be black is to always have to take the higher ground.
while other take the lower ground to cut us from below so we cant stand with them when they stand up.
This isn't. People always want to act like our major issues stop at external strife. They don't. We catch a lot of ? from the outside, but let's be real, as a community, our real problem is lack of unity. If we had the kind of unity that they had in the 60s now, we'd be a lot better off.
Perhaps. Alot of if and stiffing going on. How about these if's?
If, they didn't ? MLK, X, and Hampton
If, we didn't need Brown vs. the board of education
If, they didn't target Black liberation\community organizations
If, they didn't create the projects for Blacks (removing Black men from the home) while giving whites low income home loans to build their communities.
If, if.........if..
Who is they? How many of those things did the average white person implement? So what does any of that have to do with being able to empathize with a white 5 y/o being killed in a horrible tragedy.
You guys seem to think that country's white supremacist infrastructure = every single white person alive. It doesn't, and black people who don't understand that are as dumb as the white people who support it even to their own detriment.
Wrong. What is factually correct is, the majority of whites have\do support white supremacy whether directly or indirectly. The number of whites who don't is negligible thus,it's pointless bringing them up. -
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The Lonious Monk wrote: »The Lonious Monk wrote: »2stepz_ahead wrote: »to be black is to always have to take the higher ground.
while other take the lower ground to cut us from below so we cant stand with them when they stand up.
This isn't. People always want to act like our major issues stop at external strife. They don't. We catch a lot of ? from the outside, but let's be real, as a community, our real problem is lack of unity. If we had the kind of unity that they had in the 60s now, we'd be a lot better off.
Perhaps. Alot of if and stiffing going on. How about these if's?
If, they didn't ? MLK, X, and Hampton
If, we didn't need Brown vs. the board of education
If, they didn't target Black liberation\community organizations
If, they didn't create the projects for Blacks (removing Black men from the home) while giving whites low income home loans to build their communities.
If, if.........if..
Who is they? How many of those things did the average white person implement? So what does any of that have to do with being able to empathize with a white 5 y/o being killed in a horrible tragedy.
You guys seem to think that country's white supremacist infrastructure = every single white person alive. It doesn't, and black people who don't understand that are as dumb as the white people who support it even to their own detriment.
Wrong. What is factually correct is, the majority of whites have\do support white supremacy whether directly or indirectly. The number of whites who don't is negligible thus,it's pointless bringing them up.
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The Lonious Monk wrote: »The Lonious Monk wrote: »2stepz_ahead wrote: »to be black is to always have to take the higher ground.
while other take the lower ground to cut us from below so we cant stand with them when they stand up.
This isn't. People always want to act like our major issues stop at external strife. They don't. We catch a lot of ? from the outside, but let's be real, as a community, our real problem is lack of unity. If we had the kind of unity that they had in the 60s now, we'd be a lot better off.
Perhaps. Alot of if and stiffing going on. How about these if's?
If, they didn't ? MLK, X, and Hampton
If, we didn't need Brown vs. the board of education
If, they didn't target Black liberation\community organizations
If, they didn't create the projects for Blacks (removing Black men from the home) while giving whites low income home loans to build their communities.
If, if.........if..
Who is they? How many of those things did the average white person implement? So what does any of that have to do with being able to empathize with a white 5 y/o being killed in a horrible tragedy.
You guys seem to think that country's white supremacist infrastructure = every single white person alive. It doesn't, and black people who don't understand that are as dumb as the white people who support it even to their own detriment.
Wrong. What is factually correct is, the majority of whites have\do support white supremacy whether directly or indirectly. The number of whites who don't is negligible thus,it's pointless bringing them up.
This thread is about 30 murdered people, not your ?
You dont have statistics or any data to back this ? up.
Every thread ain't about what you think about white supremacy. If you don't care then bounce and call it a day. -
The Lonious Monk wrote: »The Lonious Monk wrote: »2stepz_ahead wrote: »to be black is to always have to take the higher ground.
while other take the lower ground to cut us from below so we cant stand with them when they stand up.
This isn't. People always want to act like our major issues stop at external strife. They don't. We catch a lot of ? from the outside, but let's be real, as a community, our real problem is lack of unity. If we had the kind of unity that they had in the 60s now, we'd be a lot better off.
Perhaps. Alot of if and stiffing going on. How about these if's?
If, they didn't ? MLK, X, and Hampton
If, we didn't need Brown vs. the board of education
If, they didn't target Black liberation\community organizations
If, they didn't create the projects for Blacks (removing Black men from the home) while giving whites low income home loans to build their communities.
If, if.........if..
Who is they? How many of those things did the average white person implement? So what does any of that have to do with being able to empathize with a white 5 y/o being killed in a horrible tragedy.
You guys seem to think that country's white supremacist infrastructure = every single white person alive. It doesn't, and black people who don't understand that are as dumb as the white people who support it even to their own detriment.
Wrong. What is factually correct is, the majority of whites have\do support white supremacy whether directly or indirectly. The number of whites who don't is negligible thus,it's pointless bringing them up.
The problem is with you dudes the "support white supremacy indirectly" part comes down to them simply existing. What sense does it make to hate someone because of the consequences of things that may not even be in their control? What percentage of whites are out there actively opposing the progress and prosperity of blacks? You talking about facts, do you have numbers to support that? If not why are you so confident that the percentage is high enough to support blind hatred as being a reasonable stance to take? -
The Lonious Monk wrote: »The Lonious Monk wrote: »2stepz_ahead wrote: »to be black is to always have to take the higher ground.
while other take the lower ground to cut us from below so we cant stand with them when they stand up.
This isn't. People always want to act like our major issues stop at external strife. They don't. We catch a lot of ? from the outside, but let's be real, as a community, our real problem is lack of unity. If we had the kind of unity that they had in the 60s now, we'd be a lot better off.
Perhaps. Alot of if and stiffing going on. How about these if's?
If, they didn't ? MLK, X, and Hampton
If, we didn't need Brown vs. the board of education
If, they didn't target Black liberation\community organizations
If, they didn't create the projects for Blacks (removing Black men from the home) while giving whites low income home loans to build their communities.
If, if.........if..
Who is they? How many of those things did the average white person implement? So what does any of that have to do with being able to empathize with a white 5 y/o being killed in a horrible tragedy.
You guys seem to think that country's white supremacist infrastructure = every single white person alive. It doesn't, and black people who don't understand that are as dumb as the white people who support it even to their own detriment.
Wrong. What is factually correct is, the majority of whites have\do support white supremacy whether directly or indirectly. The number of whites who don't is negligible thus,it's pointless bringing them up.
This thread is about 30 murdered people, not your ?
You dont have statistics or any data to back this ? up.
Every thread ain't about what you think about white supremacy. If you don't care then bounce and call it a day.
So, because you "care" your opinion matters more. ? and take your own advice, bounce this thread aint about your bleeding heart. -
Tapdancing early
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The Lonious Monk wrote: »The Lonious Monk wrote: »2stepz_ahead wrote: »to be black is to always have to take the higher ground.
while other take the lower ground to cut us from below so we cant stand with them when they stand up.
This isn't. People always want to act like our major issues stop at external strife. They don't. We catch a lot of ? from the outside, but let's be real, as a community, our real problem is lack of unity. If we had the kind of unity that they had in the 60s now, we'd be a lot better off.
Perhaps. Alot of if and stiffing going on. How about these if's?
If, they didn't ? MLK, X, and Hampton
If, we didn't need Brown vs. the board of education
If, they didn't target Black liberation\community organizations
If, they didn't create the projects for Blacks (removing Black men from the home) while giving whites low income home loans to build their communities.
If, if.........if..
Who is they? How many of those things did the average white person implement? So what does any of that have to do with being able to empathize with a white 5 y/o being killed in a horrible tragedy.
You guys seem to think that country's white supremacist infrastructure = every single white person alive. It doesn't, and black people who don't understand that are as dumb as the white people who support it even to their own detriment.
Wrong. What is factually correct is, the majority of whites have\do support white supremacy whether directly or indirectly. The number of whites who don't is negligible thus,it's pointless bringing them up.
This thread is about 30 murdered people, not your ?
You dont have statistics or any data to back this ? up.
Every thread ain't about what you think about white supremacy. If you don't care then bounce and call it a day.
So, because you "care" your opinion matters more. ? and take your own advice, bounce this thread aint about your bleeding heart.
Whether I care or not is irrelevant. I'm not making this conversation about some ? its mot about. -
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? could have happened to each of us...basically the same ? I posted in the vegas thread...
Here is a comedic pov from a foreigner...short vid - in English - starts after 10 seconds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-o9pwWUzz0 -
1st thought is damn that's ? up
then, small town in Texas? some cracka ass ?
also
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZwmmORsK0M -
The Lonious Monk wrote: »The Lonious Monk wrote: »The Lonious Monk wrote: »2stepz_ahead wrote: »to be black is to always have to take the higher ground.
while other take the lower ground to cut us from below so we cant stand with them when they stand up.
This isn't. People always want to act like our major issues stop at external strife. They don't. We catch a lot of ? from the outside, but let's be real, as a community, our real problem is lack of unity. If we had the kind of unity that they had in the 60s now, we'd be a lot better off.
Perhaps. Alot of if and stiffing going on. How about these if's?
If, they didn't ? MLK, X, and Hampton
If, we didn't need Brown vs. the board of education
If, they didn't target Black liberation\community organizations
If, they didn't create the projects for Blacks (removing Black men from the home) while giving whites low income home loans to build their communities.
If, if.........if..
Who is they? How many of those things did the average white person implement? So what does any of that have to do with being able to empathize with a white 5 y/o being killed in a horrible tragedy.
You guys seem to think that country's white supremacist infrastructure = every single white person alive. It doesn't, and black people who don't understand that are as dumb as the white people who support it even to their own detriment.
Wrong. What is factually correct is, the majority of whites have\do support white supremacy whether directly or indirectly. The number of whites who don't is negligible thus,it's pointless bringing them up.
The problem is with you dudes the "support white supremacy indirectly" part comes down to them simply existing. What sense does it make to hate someone because of the consequences of things that may not even be in their control? What percentage of whites are out there actively opposing the progress and prosperity of blacks? You talking about facts, do you have numbers to support that? If not why are you so confident that the percentage is high enough to support blind hatred as being a reasonable stance to take?
The problem is you're lying.
1. whites have right to exist just like anyone else.
2. I don't hate anyone
3. A large of enough percentage that Blacks are still fighting an uphill battle to dispel myths and stereotypes. In addition to state\federal policy\laws that seem to affect Blacks more than whites.
4. Numbers aren't needed when whites continue to vote in droves for policy that adversely affects Blacks.
This incident and every other incident like it involving white murderous terrorist doesn't result in the criminality of whites. Whereas Blacks are burdened with lies, and misinformation which, has led to Blacks being made to be the face of violence and criminality. And that doesn't seem to be slowing down one bit. -
Trump said this is about mental illness guys....c'mon
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2stepz_ahead wrote: »to be black is to always have to take the higher ground.
while other take the lower ground to cut us from below so we cant stand with them when they stand up.
Why lower yourself to the standards of those who have proven to be less than? -
The Lonious Monk wrote: »The Lonious Monk wrote: »2stepz_ahead wrote: »to be black is to always have to take the higher ground.
while other take the lower ground to cut us from below so we cant stand with them when they stand up.
This isn't. People always want to act like our major issues stop at external strife. They don't. We catch a lot of ? from the outside, but let's be real, as a community, our real problem is lack of unity. If we had the kind of unity that they had in the 60s now, we'd be a lot better off.
Perhaps. Alot of if and stiffing going on. How about these if's?
If, they didn't ? MLK, X, and Hampton
If, we didn't need Brown vs. the board of education
If, they didn't target Black liberation\community organizations
If, they didn't create the projects for Blacks (removing Black men from the home) while giving whites low income home loans to build their communities.
If, if.........if..
Who is they? How many of those things did the average white person implement? So what does any of that have to do with being able to empathize with a white 5 y/o being killed in a horrible tragedy.
You guys seem to think that country's white supremacist infrastructure = every single white person alive. It doesn't, and black people who don't understand that are as dumb as the white people who support it even to their own detriment.
Wrong. What is factually correct is, the majority of whites have\do support white supremacy whether directly or indirectly. The number of whites who don't is negligible thus,it's pointless bringing them up.
This thread is about 30 murdered people, not your ?
You dont have statistics or any data to back this ? up.
Every thread ain't about what you think about white supremacy. If you don't care then bounce and call it a day.
So, because you "care" your opinion matters more. ? and take your own advice, bounce this thread aint about your bleeding heart.
Whether I care or not is irrelevant. I'm not making this conversation about some ? its mot about.
My points stand as they relate to posters who have stated why they aren't taking the sympathetic approach. In addition to while there are 30 people dead there is also a story here about yet another white terrorists in america and america's refusal to not only put the proper label on these people but to go after them with same vigor they do POC. Perhaps if they did another mass shooting could be avoided and you bleeding hearts wouldn't need a threads to hold hands and sing.. -
The Lonious Monk wrote: »The Lonious Monk wrote: »The Lonious Monk wrote: »2stepz_ahead wrote: »to be black is to always have to take the higher ground.
while other take the lower ground to cut us from below so we cant stand with them when they stand up.
This isn't. People always want to act like our major issues stop at external strife. They don't. We catch a lot of ? from the outside, but let's be real, as a community, our real problem is lack of unity. If we had the kind of unity that they had in the 60s now, we'd be a lot better off.
Perhaps. Alot of if and stiffing going on. How about these if's?
If, they didn't ? MLK, X, and Hampton
If, we didn't need Brown vs. the board of education
If, they didn't target Black liberation\community organizations
If, they didn't create the projects for Blacks (removing Black men from the home) while giving whites low income home loans to build their communities.
If, if.........if..
Who is they? How many of those things did the average white person implement? So what does any of that have to do with being able to empathize with a white 5 y/o being killed in a horrible tragedy.
You guys seem to think that country's white supremacist infrastructure = every single white person alive. It doesn't, and black people who don't understand that are as dumb as the white people who support it even to their own detriment.
Wrong. What is factually correct is, the majority of whites have\do support white supremacy whether directly or indirectly. The number of whites who don't is negligible thus,it's pointless bringing them up.
The problem is with you dudes the "support white supremacy indirectly" part comes down to them simply existing. What sense does it make to hate someone because of the consequences of things that may not even be in their control? What percentage of whites are out there actively opposing the progress and prosperity of blacks? You talking about facts, do you have numbers to support that? If not why are you so confident that the percentage is high enough to support blind hatred as being a reasonable stance to take?
The problem is you're lying.
1. whites have right to exist just like anyone else.
2. I don't hate anyone
3. A large of enough percentage that Blacks are still fighting an uphill battle to dispel myths and stereotypes. In addition to state\federal policy\laws that seem to affect Blacks more than whites.
4. Numbers aren't needed when whites continue to vote in droves for policy that adversely affects Blacks.
This incident and every other incident like it involving white murderous terrorist doesn't result in the criminality of whites. Whereas Blacks are burdened with lies, and misinformation which, has led to Blacks being made to be the face of violence and criminality. And that doesn't seem to be slowing down one bit.
lol You're claiming I'm lying but your points show you didn't even get what I was saying.
1) I never claimed that you said whites don't have the right to exist. I said in general when you guys claim they support white supremacy indirectly, it usually breaks down to them doing so by doing nothing more than existing.
2) I never claimed you did. I'm referring more to the people that are unable to empathize with the death of a child because of that child's race. That's the same kinda disgusting mindset we bash white racists for having.
3) That's true, now what does that have to do with acting like it's the fault of the average white person? How does that support the idea that it's ok to take this almost sociopathic stance with how we should deal with them?
4) Whites continue to vote in drove for policy that adversely affect themselves. Conflating the political stupidity of a lot of white people and their blatant gullibility and ease of manipulation with some blatant effort of theirs to destroy blacks is counterproductive.
I agree with you that blacks get it worse than whites and that ? isn't fair. I don't think anyone disputes that. However, treating every individual white person as if they are responsible for pushing the policy and using underhanded tactics to get that policy pushed through doesn't help anyone. Again, it's like everything else that comes from this ideology you guys support. It's counterproductive. If I'm wrong, give me even one example of this mindset leading to prosperity or progress for blacks. -
Always some idiots deviating from topic at hand
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Always some idiots deviating from topic at hand
There was a shooting. It was ? up. Ain't ? gonna come from it. How much more can we discuss that? -
It's all cause and effect.
Cause: Not giving a damn when these kids were murdered.
Effect: Not giving a damn when their kids are murdered.
You cannot expect every black person to be down with the "turn the other cheek" narrative. No one here has the right to tell the next black man or woman how they should feel or react to white folks dying. It's ? up but a lot of us out here tired of the ? .
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The Lonious Monk wrote: »The Lonious Monk wrote: »The Lonious Monk wrote: »The Lonious Monk wrote: »2stepz_ahead wrote: »to be black is to always have to take the higher ground.
while other take the lower ground to cut us from below so we cant stand with them when they stand up.
This isn't. People always want to act like our major issues stop at external strife. They don't. We catch a lot of ? from the outside, but let's be real, as a community, our real problem is lack of unity. If we had the kind of unity that they had in the 60s now, we'd be a lot better off.
Perhaps. Alot of if and stiffing going on. How about these if's?
If, they didn't ? MLK, X, and Hampton
If, we didn't need Brown vs. the board of education
If, they didn't target Black liberation\community organizations
If, they didn't create the projects for Blacks (removing Black men from the home) while giving whites low income home loans to build their communities.
If, if.........if..
Who is they? How many of those things did the average white person implement? So what does any of that have to do with being able to empathize with a white 5 y/o being killed in a horrible tragedy.
You guys seem to think that country's white supremacist infrastructure = every single white person alive. It doesn't, and black people who don't understand that are as dumb as the white people who support it even to their own detriment.
Wrong. What is factually correct is, the majority of whites have\do support white supremacy whether directly or indirectly. The number of whites who don't is negligible thus,it's pointless bringing them up.
The problem is with you dudes the "support white supremacy indirectly" part comes down to them simply existing. What sense does it make to hate someone because of the consequences of things that may not even be in their control? What percentage of whites are out there actively opposing the progress and prosperity of blacks? You talking about facts, do you have numbers to support that? If not why are you so confident that the percentage is high enough to support blind hatred as being a reasonable stance to take?
The problem is you're lying.
1. whites have right to exist just like anyone else.
2. I don't hate anyone
3. A large of enough percentage that Blacks are still fighting an uphill battle to dispel myths and stereotypes. In addition to state\federal policy\laws that seem to affect Blacks more than whites.
4. Numbers aren't needed when whites continue to vote in droves for policy that adversely affects Blacks.
This incident and every other incident like it involving white murderous terrorist doesn't result in the criminality of whites. Whereas Blacks are burdened with lies, and misinformation which, has led to Blacks being made to be the face of violence and criminality. And that doesn't seem to be slowing down one bit.
lol You're claiming I'm lying but your points show you didn't even get what I was saying.
1) I never claimed that you said whites don't have the right to exist. I said in general when you guys claim they support white supremacy indirectly, it usually breaks down to them doing so by doing nothing more than existing.
2) I never claimed you did. I'm referring more to the people that are unable to empathize with the death of a child because of that child's race. That's the same kinda disgusting mindset we bash white racists for having.
3) That's true, now what does that have to do with acting like it's the fault of the average white person? How does that support the idea that it's ok to take this almost sociopathic stance with how we should deal with them?
4) Whites continue to vote in drove for policy that adversely affect themselves. Conflating the political stupidity of a lot of white people and their blatant gullibility and ease of manipulation with some blatant effort of theirs to destroy blacks is counterproductive.
I agree with you that blacks get it worse than whites and that ? isn't fair. I don't think anyone disputes that. However, treating every individual white person as if they are responsible for pushing the policy and using underhanded tactics to get that policy pushed through doesn't help anyone. Again, it's like everything else that comes from this ideology you guys support. It's counterproductive. If I'm wrong, give me even one example of this mindset leading to prosperity or progress for blacks.
1. You "dudes"? That would include me. Ahh...You did quote me. And again you're wrong. Indirectly, supporting white supremacy is whites that sit and do nothing, knowing damn well the ? they see is wrong. A few examples, whites that say they didn't own slaves but didn't say or do ? about it. whites playing dumb like they don't know why NFL players are kneeling so they side with white supremacists.
2. To not be able to understand why some would feel that way is amazing to me. Black children are always under attack in more ways then by the gun.
3. because, the average white person doesn't give a ? either. They are mostly idle because, they are comfortable with things being in their favor. The idea is to not rock the boat. An example would be the majority of average white NFL players saying and doing nothing.
4.I agree here but what they are not voting for are things that will usurp them as the majority in every facet of american life. True equality.
What's counter productive is, whites that continue to support whites whether they are right or wrong, or because, they have some loyalty to a political party. Again my points are CONFIRMED by history past and present. whites are the majority and the majority HAS NOT worked to improve the lives of those that don't look like them. Our political gains have been because, of our own efforts. Despite the disgusting treatment we receive we always find a way to care about others to the point that via our fight others have benefited immensely. -
It's all cause and effect.
Cause: Not giving a damn when these kids were murdered.
Effect: Not giving a damn when their kids are murdered.
You cannot expect every black person to be down with the "turn the other cheek" narrative. No one here has the right to tell the next black man or woman how they should feel or react to white folks dying. It's ? up but a lot of us out here tired of the ? .
Everybody got tunnel vision when it comes to their points of view. I understand both sides of the argument and I won't knock either side. But don't knock me for not being as sympathetic about white kids getting gunned down when these white supremacists made jokes about Trayvon and Mike Brown etc getting killed and those were kids. -
It's all cause and effect.
Cause: Not giving a damn when these kids were murdered.
Effect: Not giving a damn when their kids are murdered.
You cannot expect every black person to be down with the "turn the other cheek" narrative. No one here has the right to tell the next black man or woman how they should feel or react to white folks dying. It's ? up but a lot of us out here tired of the ? .
So no white people care when black kids die? That's what some of ya'll don't seem to get about my stance. I don't care that you have a "if it's ? me, then it's ? them" attitude. If that's how you feel, it's how you feel. My point is that you guys seem to base your reasoning for that mentality on this idea that the majority of whites are these unrepentant psychopathic racists, which really isn't true. -
5th Letter wrote: »It's all cause and effect.
Cause: Not giving a damn when these kids were murdered.
Effect: Not giving a damn when their kids are murdered.
You cannot expect every black person to be down with the "turn the other cheek" narrative. No one here has the right to tell the next black man or woman how they should feel or react to white folks dying. It's ? up but a lot of us out here tired of the ? .
Everybody got tunnel vision when it comes to their points of view. I understand both sides of the argument and I won't knock either side. But don't knock me for not being as sympathetic about white kids getting gunned down when these white supremacists made jokes about Trayvon and Mike Brown etc getting killed and those were kids.
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The Lonious Monk wrote: »It's all cause and effect.
Cause: Not giving a damn when these kids were murdered.
Effect: Not giving a damn when their kids are murdered.
You cannot expect every black person to be down with the "turn the other cheek" narrative. No one here has the right to tell the next black man or woman how they should feel or react to white folks dying. It's ? up but a lot of us out here tired of the ? .
So no white people care when black kids die? That's what some of ya'll don't seem to get about my stance. I don't care that you have a "if it's ? me, then it's ? them" attitude. If that's how you feel, it's how you feel. My point is that you guys seem to base your reasoning for that mentality on this idea that the majority of whites are these unrepentant psychopathic racists, which really isn't true.
It pretty much goes without saying that there are white people that care when black kids die. No one even implied this. We are talking about those that don't care when black kids get gunned down. -
The Lonious Monk wrote: »It's all cause and effect.
Cause: Not giving a damn when these kids were murdered.
Effect: Not giving a damn when their kids are murdered.
You cannot expect every black person to be down with the "turn the other cheek" narrative. No one here has the right to tell the next black man or woman how they should feel or react to white folks dying. It's ? up but a lot of us out here tired of the ? .
So no white people care when black kids die? That's what some of ya'll don't seem to get about my stance. I don't care that you have a "if it's ? me, then it's ? them" attitude. If that's how you feel, it's how you feel. My point is that you guys seem to base your reasoning for that mentality on this idea that the majority of whites are these unrepentant psychopathic racists, which really isn't true.
Ok. three mafuccas care. Good enough? Now let's move on. Because, in america the majority rules. That's what's meant by whites. whites=majority. The simple logic here is if the majority of whites cared as much as Blacks we would see changes..
