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  • southsil4lil
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    fortyacres wrote: »


    Is this a good or a bad thing coz dude is considered a more moderate crown prince

    I've been trying to keep up with this since the weekend and I'm still exactly sure what this all meana

    The Saudi Arabia-Iran struggle for power and influence in the region seems to be a big part in this though especially with the Lebanese Prime Minister doing his resignation in Saudi Arabi
  • fortyacres
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    fortyacres wrote: »


    Is this a good or a bad thing coz dude is considered a more moderate crown prince

    I've been trying to keep up with this since the weekend and I'm still exactly sure what this all meana

    The Saudi Arabia-Iran struggle for power and influence in the region seems to be a big part in this though especially with the Lebanese Prime Minister doing his resignation in Saudi Arabi

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veMFCFyOwFI
  • Elzo69Renaissance
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    fortyacres wrote: »

    Always tell ? to never take those Forbes list seriously. They are based on estimates D projections....not Tax returns
  • 2stepz_ahead
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    america created the vacuum for iran to have that type influence when they got rid of saddam.

    saddam keep them ? in check
  • HundredEyes
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    fortyacres wrote: »


    Is this a good or a bad thing coz dude is considered a more moderate crown prince

    A good thing, wants to go back to moderate Islam, already changed some laws, women are allowed to drive next year, emancipation is on the rise - more women on the work floor etc - he is only 32 but has done some revolutionary ? ....Saudi Arabia wasn't always as strict as we know it now....used to be a much more open society back in the 60s...he wants the country to be independent from oil income, so he wants more women working to improve the economy...at the same time he is opening up the society more by allowing cinemas back....

    He also arrested alwaleed bin talal, according to the news, that's like the equivalent of the feds arresting Warren buffet or a bill gates. Billionaires...so he isn't sparing anyone.

    He is a powerful man, but he also made powerful enemies....his nation is in war with Yemen ( few days ago a rocket above riyaad was intercepted)...let's see if he makes it through the storm.
  • southsil4lil
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    fortyacres wrote: »
    fortyacres wrote: »


    Is this a good or a bad thing coz dude is considered a more moderate crown prince

    I've been trying to keep up with this since the weekend and I'm still exactly sure what this all meana

    The Saudi Arabia-Iran struggle for power and influence in the region seems to be a big part in this though especially with the Lebanese Prime Minister doing his resignation in Saudi Arabi

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veMFCFyOwFI

    Good drop
  • Broddie
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    I really don't want to vote DiBlasio but his competition is an inexperienced and clueless republican woman. A Trump voting neo con at that :(
  • Broddie
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    america created the vacuum for iran to have that type influence when they got rid of saddam.

    saddam keep them ? in check

    Same with Gaddafi.
  • Broddie
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    Prez is trying his best to finesse North Korea into haulting their nuclear program today. Allegedly. I say allegedly cause I don't believe anything that comes out of his mouth.
  • 2stepz_ahead
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    Broddie wrote: »
    Prez is trying his best to finesse North Korea into haulting their nuclear program today. Allegedly. I say allegedly cause I don't believe anything that comes out of his mouth.

    nah...he ? up cuz he only a 4 minute strike away.

    none of that tough talk now in the ? backyard.
  • stringer bell
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    https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/nov/07/steve-bannon-bermuda-robert-mercer?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top-stories
    Offshore cash helped fund Steve Bannon's attacks on Hillary Clinton

    Robert Mercer, whose spending assisted Donald Trump’s election win, used tax haven of Bermuda to avoid US taxes

    Eighteen months before guiding Donald Trump to election victory, Steve Bannon delivered the opening shot in the ruthless Republican campaign to paint their Democratic opponent as corrupt.

    The future White House chief strategist produced a book in May 2015 accusing Hillary Clinton of trading favours for donations to her charitable foundation. Its questionable central charge, on the sale of a uranium company to Russia, recently became the subject of a House inquiry and feverish talk on conservative media.

    But the financial arrangements of another foundation, which bankrolled Bannon’s creation of the book, Clinton Cash, have received less scrutiny.

    Leaked documents and newly obtained public filings show how the billionaire Mercer family built a $60m war chest for conservative causes inside their family foundation by using an offshore investment vehicle to avoid US tax.

    The offshore vehicle was part of a network of companies in the Atlantic tax haven of Bermuda led by Robert Mercer, the wealthy hedge-fund executive and Bannon patron whose spending helped put Trump in the White House and aided a resurgence of the Republican right.

    Mercer, 71, appears as a director of eight Bermuda companies in the Paradise Papers, a trove of millions of leaked documents on offshore finance reviewed by the Guardian, the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists and other partners. The files include a copy of Mercer’s US passport and other private data.

    Some of the Bermuda companies appear to have been used to legally avoid a little-known US tax of up to 39% on tens of millions of dollars in investment profits amassed by the Mercer family’s foundation, which funded Bannon’s book and a who’s who of conservative groups, along with a $475m retirement fund for the staff of Mercer’s hedge fund, Renaissance Technologies.


    Bill Parish, an Oregon-based investment adviser who has been consulted on the tax by US government investigators, said: “This is simple but ingenious. You take retirement plans or foundations, you invest them in a hedge fund, and even if the value rises 100%, you can sell off the investments with no tax consequences.”

    Extraordinary returns

    Mercer, who declined to comment for this article, has risen from relative obscurity to become one of the most influential figures in US conservatism. He financed ventures including the presidential campaigns of Trump and Senator Ted Cruz, the website Breitbart News and the online agitator Milo Yiannopoulos, whom he publicly disowned last week. Mercer has personally donated $41m to federal election campaigns over the past decade, according to public filings.

    A PhD computer scientist who rarely speaks publicly, Mercer is president and co-chief executive of Renaissance, a New York-based company that manages more than $50bn in assets. He announced last week that he would step down from his leadership roles at the end of the year. Renaissance frequently makes extraordinary returns, which it chalks up to closely guarded trading formulas created at its Long Island offices by mathematicians and scientists.

    The company has also faced sharp criticism for trying to sidestep obligations to the public purse. The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) has been pursuing Renaissance for $6.8bn in federal taxes that it was accused of improperly avoiding through practices described as “abuses” in a 2014 investigation by a Senate committee. The two sides are preparing to meet for negotiations this week.

    Mercer also helps fund the Mercer Family Foundation, a nonprofit led by his daughter and political guru, Rebekah. It has no website, staff or offices and is registered to a mailbox at a UPS store on Manhattan’s Upper West Side. It was previously listed at Rebekah’s $28m home in a Trump building nearby. The foundation’s accountant is treasurer of Make America Number 1, a Super Pac part-funded by Mercer, which supported the 2016 campaign against Clinton.

    Mercer’s foundation is barred from intervening in election campaigns. But over the past decade, it has given out $62m to conservative research groups and thinktanks whose work generally bolsters Republicans. Among them are prominent names including the Heritage Foundation, the Federalist Society, and the Media Research Center.

    From 2013 to 2015, the Mercer foundation gave $4.7m to Bannon’s Government Accountability Institute – more than half its total funding in that time. Mercer’s foundation has not yet filed paperwork disclosing its 2016 spending. An IRS official said the filing was more than five months overdue.

    Bannon founded ? in Florida in 2012 with Peter Schweizer, the conservative author of Clinton Cash. Since then, the ? has paid Bannon $379,000 and Schweizer $781,000. Rebekah Mercer was a director of the group until 2014. It has continued assailing liberals since Trump’s victory and says exposing the “misuse of taxpayer monies” is central to its mission.

    Mercer’s foundation also gave millions more to other groups that funded Bannon. It paid $3.8m to the nonprofit arm of Citizens United, best known for the deregulation of political spending it won in a 2010 supreme court ruling. Bannon has made films for Citizens United and between 2012 and 2013 was paid $450,000 in consulting fees by its nonprofit arm.

    The Mercer foundation gave $1.2m to the Young America’s Foundation, another conservative nonprofit, which paid Bannon more than $577,000 between 2010 and 2012 for filmmaking services, according to filings.

    Mercer was also a major investor in Breitbart News, the influential rightwing website that Bannon led before joining Trump’s campaign. Bannon returned to the site after being fired from the White House in August. In an extraordinary email to Renaissance staff last week, Mercer moved to distance himself from Bannon and announced he was selling his stake in Breitbart to his daughters.

    Clinton Cash dissected donations to the foundation Clinton led with her husband Bill, the former US president. Disputed allegations in the book – that mining executives contributed to the Clinton Foundation to assist their lucrative sale of a uranium company to a Russian state energy agency – attracted prominent coverage in the mainstream media, delivering a blow to Clinton after she announced her candidacy.

    FBI officials who looked into the foundation’s activities were later reported to have based their suspicions on details from Clinton Cash. By then, the book’s publisher had corrected more than half a dozen errors in the text relating to the Clintons’ finances, including one based on a bogus press release. The book continues to resonate today, leading to a joint inquiry on the Canadian uranium issue by two House committees announced last month.


    The Mercer foundation is largely funded by money it makes through investments in Renaissance’s hedge funds. Since 2004, according to annual filings, the foundation has sold off more than $68.5m of holdings in these investments and used the money to fund its operations.

    While Renaissance’s main hedge fund is based in the US, the company also has “feeder funds” incorporated in Bermuda, which imposes no income or corporation taxes.

    Renaissance does not have staff or offices in Bermuda. Instead, the feeder funds are registered to the offices of Appleby, a legal and financial services firm that Renaissance pays to manage its offshore affairs. The Paradise Papers contain a cache of millions of Appleby’s internal files, including dozens on Renaissance.


  • stringer bell
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    Documents reviewed by the Guardian indicate that the Mercer foundation has avoided liability for millions of dollars in US tax by routing its investments through one of these Bermuda vehicles.

    Nonprofits in the US such as the Mercer foundation do not pay tax on ordinary donations from the public. But they face unrelated business income tax (UBIT) on money obtained through investments financed by debt, such as many of those by Renaissance and other hedge funds. UBIT is intended to prevent nonprofits from being used to compete unfairly with regular businesses.

    But nonprofits can avoid the tax by routing their investments through an offshore company known as a “blocker”. The Mercer foundation’s public filings to the IRS confirm it has never paid UBIT. Since 2004, the foundation has paid $74,017 in federal excise taxes, less than 0.2% of its investment gains.

    In Bermuda, Medallion Capital Investments was set up to take investments from American charities or foundations “closely affiliated with an owner or employee” of Renaissance, according to a regulatory filing obtained from the Bermuda government, which did not mention Mercer’s foundation by name.

    The Mercer foundation confirmed that Medallion Capital Investments was the destination for its money in 2004 and 2005, according to previously unreported filings to the IRS. More recently, it has not named the fund it uses. Renaissance told US authorities this year that Medallion Capital Investments held $1.3bn of funds owned by the company or people related to it.

    Tax attorneys and accountants consulted by the Guardian said the Bermuda feeder fund appeared to be operating as a blocker between the Mercer foundation and the hedge fund investments.

    Samuel Brunson, a professor in tax law at Loyola University in Chicago, said such arrangements were typically aimed at legally avoiding the tax. “If firms were willing to pay the tax, there would be no reason to go offshore,” he said Brunson. “They could stay onshore in a simpler arrangement.”

    UBIT is charged at up to 39% on profits. The precise amount owed is difficult to compute, because the tax applies only to the portion of investment profits funded by debt. Hedge fund companies are not required to publicly disclose how much debt each fund uses. Renaissance describes its Medallion funds as “high leverage”, meaning high debt levels.


    The Owl’s Nest

    Since joining Renaissance from IBM almost 25 years ago, Mercer has accumulated extraordinary wealth that paid for luxurious homes in three states. His main estate, known as Owl’s Nest, is based around an $18m mansion close to Renaissance’s Long Island campus.

    The Mercers also own a $75m yacht, the Sea Owl, a $13.6m ranch estate in Florida – Owl’s Nest South – and a $3.2m retreat on 92 acres in North Carolina. This year, they sold a Manhattan apartment for $3.3m.

    At the same time, the Mercers have continued to signal that they take care over every penny. Bannon once explained their outlook as having been shaped by the fact they “came to their great wealth late in life”.

    In 2009, Mercer sued a Michigan-based miniature railroad company that installed a scale-model track at his home. He alleged, six years after the installation, that he had been overcharged. The case was settled.

    In 2011, Diana Mercer successfully sued a golf cart dealer in Florida for $15,000 over “mechanical problems and the poor condition” of two carts she had bought, and returned to court when the dealer failed to pay up as ordered.

    A 2010 affidavit shows Diana Mercer is domiciled in Florida, which has no state income tax. A Renaissance spokesman declined to say where Robert Mercer was domiciled for tax purposes. The Mercers were sent a bill by the state of Maryland in 2014 for $23.9m in back taxes, but this was later withdrawn. Maryland officials and the Renaissance spokesman declined to say why it was decided they did not owe the money.

    In July 2013, some domestic staff who worked at the Owl’s Nest estate sued Mercer, alleging he docked $10-$20 from their pay for errors such as “failing to replace shampoos and other toiletries if there was an amount of less than one-third of a bottle remaining”. The lawsuit was later withdrawn. An attorney for the staff did not respond when asked if they were paid a settlement.

    Renaissance Technologies has striven to avoid paying out where possible. The sharply critical 2014 report by the Senate permanent subcommittee on investigations said Renaissance improperly made profits from rapid trading appear to be long-term capital gains, which are taxed at a much lower rate.

    The system involved Renaissance buying complex instruments known as “basket options” from banks. The bipartisan Senate investigation described the system as an “abusive tax structure” and said the IRS should collect taxes avoided with it. A spokesman for the IRS declined to comment on the status of the dispute.





  • stringer bell
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    Pension fund

    Like Mercer’s family foundation, his hedge fund company also appears to use an offshore blocker system to legally avoid US taxes on a huge pool of retirement funds being accumulated by its employees. The fund has existed for five years but is already nearing $500m in value, according to its accounts.

    In 2012, Renaissance staff were unhappy with the tepid pension options available to most Americans. So their bosses obtained special permission from the US government to help supercharge their savings.

    The permission meant staff could ditch their vanilla 401(k)s and funnel their entire individual retirement accounts (IRAs) into the firm’s own hedge fund, free from restrictions designed to protect ordinary workers from risky investments. Several investment advisers said they were surprised the permission was granted.

    “This is a unique perk,” said Mat Sorenson, an attorney based in Phoenix, Arizona, who specializes in law around retirement accounts.

    When making the request to the US government, Renaissance identified a pair of new investment vehicles it had set up to hold the retirement funds. These were registered in Bermuda and are among those in the Paradise Papers that identify Mercer as a director.

    The Renaissance retirement fund began with $103m in 2012. By last year, it had grown to more than $476m. More than $300m of the gains came purely from returns on investments in the Renaissance hedge funds.

    Ordinary Americans investing their retirement funds in this way could expect to face UBIT on some investment profits. But the use of the Bermuda vehicles to protect Renaissance’s retirement fund means the tax is legally avoided.

    A Renaissance source, who declined to be identified, stressed that other companies used blockers to avoid tax on retirement plan investments. But Ed Slott, an accountant based in New York who is a noted authority on IRAs, said the arrangements were far from typical.

    “It may be common among people with truckloads of money and big hedge funds, but it’s not common among rank-and-file, ordinary Americans who just save for retirement,” said Slott. “Almost nobody has the wherewithal.”

    In a footnote to a 2012 document prepared by the labor department about Renaissance’s arrangement, officials said the company had insisted on using the Bermuda vehicles so its employees could “avoid being subject to taxes on unrelated business taxable income”.

    When asked why the US government had accepted this desire to avoid a federal tax as a legitimate cause for special treatment, a spokesman for the department declined to comment.

    Filings by the Renaissance pension fund also suggest some staff may be using the system to legally reduce tax on money they made recently, rather than leaving it to grow for distant retirements.

    The Renaissance staff accounts are Roth IRAs, meaning that workers have already paid tax on earnings they send to their Roth, rather than paying tax later on money the account pays out.

    These rules are particularly appealing for workers such as Renaissance staff, who expect their retirement savings to grow dramatically. They pay tax on the smaller amount going in, rather than on the much bigger amount coming out.

    Filings show tens of millions of dollars are being taken out of Renaissance’s retirement fund each year by workers remaining at the company.

    The government imposes tax and a 10% penalty on funds removed early by younger workers. But this does not apply to early withdrawals by staff older than 59. Mercer is 71. A Renaissance spokesman declined to say whether Mercer had used the system to reduce tax on his income.
  • stringer bell
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    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ted-lieu-skips-moment-of-silence
    Rep. Ted Lieu On Skipping Congressional Moment Of Silence: ‘I Will Not Be Silent’

    Rep. Ted Lieu (D-CA) on Monday skipped a congressional moment of silence for the 26 victims of a gun massacre in Sutherland Springs, Texas.

    In a video Lieu posted to Facebook from just outside the House Chamber, he said, “I will not be silent” when it comes to legislation aimed at preventing future mass shooting deaths.

    “I can’t do this again,” Lieu said. “I’ve been to too many moments of silences. In just my short career in Congress, three of the worst mass shootings in U.S. history have occurred. I will not be silent. What we need, is we need action, we need to pass gun safety legislation now.”

    Lieu advocated for universal background checks for gun ownership — “supported by 80 percent of Americans,” he said — a ban on assault rifles and a ban on bump stocks.

    Police found multiple bump stocks, which emulate the firing speed of automatic weapons when fitted on semi-automatic ones, in the hotel room of Stephen Craig Paddock. Using semi-automatic rifles outfitted with bump stocks, Paddock is alleged to have killed 58 people by shooting into the crowd at a country music concert in Las Vegas on Oct. 1, before taking his own life.

    Texas law enforcement officials said Devin Patrick Kelley, the alleged gunman in the Sutherland Springs massacre, used a Ruger AR-556 during his attack, an assault-style rifle similar to the popular AR-15.

    An Air Force error resulted in Kelly being allowed to purchase the weapon and body armor, even though a military court had previously convicted him of two counts of domestic assault that resulted in a yearlong prison sentence and a bad-conduct discharge.

  • riddlerap
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    The investigations of Russian collusion into the 2016 election have been going on for nearly 10 months now, and key Republican lawmakers are ready for the congressional committees looking into the matter to wrap it up. No evidence of collusion has been found—a point even some top Democratic lawmakers are acknowledging.


    “Have you seen any evidence that this dirt, these emails, were ever given to the Trump campaign?” Tapper asked the California Democrat.

    “Not so far,” she replied.

    Feinstein is a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee and the ranking Democrat on the Senate Judiciary Committee, both of which are investigating Russian collusion.

    “Have you seen any communications that suggested that the trump campaign wanted them to release them through a different means?” he pressed.

    “I have not,” she replied.
  • Angeles1son85
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    fortyacres wrote: »


    Is this a good or a bad thing coz dude is considered a more moderate crown prince

    Word i was tryin to keep up saw i think msnbc talkin about he wants the power now so he might act soon and boom this week couple senior princes died in a helicopter incident smh crazy
  • stringer bell
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    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/chris-collins-donors-tax-plan
    GOPer On Tax Cuts: Donors Are Saying ‘Get It Done Or Don’t Ever Call Me Again’

    Rep. Chris Collins (R-NY) got points for honesty Tuesday while advocating for Republicans’ tax bill to slash the corporate tax rate and eliminate the estate tax, among other things.

    “My donors are basically saying, ‘Get it done or don’t ever call me again,’” Collins said.

    According to the Hill, Collins made the comment while speaking to reporters after a House GOP conference meeting.

    The tax bill, which promises to be a boon for the ultra-rich and would personally benefit President Trump and his family — at least, based on what minimal tax information the White House has released — is currently being marked up by the House Ways and Means Committee, where Democrats have protested the secrecy with which the gargantuan bill was crafted by Republicans.

    “Every special interest is out in force,” Collins added separately, according to the Hill. “I’d say the more they come out, it’s an indication we’re doing a ? good job.”


    “We are getting lobbied by our families, our neighbors, our friends,” he said.

    Collins, a millionaire and one of the wealthiest members of Congress, repeated the GOP claim in a radio interview Tuesday that a middle-income American family would get a roughly $1,200 tax break as a result of the party’s tax proposal.

    Vox’s Matthew Iglesias reported Monday that claim is only true for the first year following the plan’s passage. The advertised tax break would decrease to next-to-nothing within six years, and the exemplar family would pay more under Republicans’ tax bill from year seven onward.

  • Angeles1son85
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    so wtf was carter page on tv denying ? if he knew he already snitched lol
  • fortyacres
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    so wtf was carter page on tv denying ? if he knew he already snitched lol

    https://youtu.be/UICDq-Kt3BQ

    i was watching this dying
  • stringer bell
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    Krispy Kreme Christie is always getting into arguments w/ women and trying to sound so tough & commanding.. Also his wife was looking like a troll in background...
  • CottonCitySlim
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    I'm more worried about the tax bill more than trump.

    The damage they could do can take years to undo

    The rich about to ? on anyone making Under $500k
  • Broddie
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    I'm more worried about the tax bill more than trump.

    The damage they could do can take years to undo

    The rich about to ? on anyone making $500k

    But how else are we gonna pay for the war on terror and the wall?





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    Reaganomics coming back.