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First off Imma tell yall I used to be a ? fan of MMA. Dating back to the days when Royce Gracie was armbarring ? and the days when UFC got outlawed. All that ? . I was a HUGE fan back in the early 2000's during those UFC vs PRIDE days. I might not keep up with UFC as much these days but I know my ? .
With that said, I was expecting more out of the fighters than we're seeing today. UFC athletes are still low-tier scrubs. They aren't world class athletes.
1. Brock Lesnar, WWE entertainer dominated UFC HW division. I mean this ? spent YEARS away from REAL training, goes to a gym for a few months, and comes in a dominates the best UFC had to offer. Brock Lesnar lost an NCAA wrestling match to Stephen Neal, Patriots offensive Lineman. When Lesnar tried out for the Vikings, he couldn't even make there PRACTICE SQUAD. And he's some sort of "athletic freak" to MMA fans. That says it all right there.
2. Bob Sapp, NFL flunky dominated K1, which is known to have better strikers than UFC. Again, not even an elite talent in the NFL or anywhere close to it. If Bob Sapp could do this, what do you think ? like Ndomkong Suh or Haloti Ngata would do. Even Julius Peppers or a young Jevon Kearse. Give them 6 months of training and they would crush the best MMA/K1 have to offer.
3. Randy Couture, at 40+ years old was still UFC heavyweight Champion. C'mon now...... im not trying to take anything away from Randy. He's a good guy and a legit champ. But look at the bums he was fighting. No way in hell should any 40 year old ever be a champ in a combative sport. I mean this ? was creepin into Viagra/Diaper-wearing age and still had the belt.
4. Chuck Liddell - unathletic overhyped drunken scrub was known as UFC's best for years. This dude wasnt even a B-level boxer and his stand up was 'feared' in the Octagon. He made a living off beating high school (HIGH SCHOOL!!, not even NCAA) wrestlers like Tito Ortiz.
5. Rampage Jackson - basically a brawler with a couple years of amatuer Wrestling skills. This guy would've been Roy Jones Jr punching bag if he stepped in a real gym. Give a prime RJJ a year of wrestling training and he would've ? on anyone in MMA. You wanna know the reason why Boxers never stepped to MMA? Because Boxers can make 10 million... 15 million... 20 million a fight.. MMA Main Eventers are lucky to see 1 million. Not even 20% of what Main Event boxers like RJJ made.
Maybe I'll start watching UFC when real athletes become involved, but for now I'm utterly unimpressed. I've seen it all before, none of the ? surprises me now, the fighters and rivalries suck compared to yester-year.
With that said, I was expecting more out of the fighters than we're seeing today. UFC athletes are still low-tier scrubs. They aren't world class athletes.
1. Brock Lesnar, WWE entertainer dominated UFC HW division. I mean this ? spent YEARS away from REAL training, goes to a gym for a few months, and comes in a dominates the best UFC had to offer. Brock Lesnar lost an NCAA wrestling match to Stephen Neal, Patriots offensive Lineman. When Lesnar tried out for the Vikings, he couldn't even make there PRACTICE SQUAD. And he's some sort of "athletic freak" to MMA fans. That says it all right there.
2. Bob Sapp, NFL flunky dominated K1, which is known to have better strikers than UFC. Again, not even an elite talent in the NFL or anywhere close to it. If Bob Sapp could do this, what do you think ? like Ndomkong Suh or Haloti Ngata would do. Even Julius Peppers or a young Jevon Kearse. Give them 6 months of training and they would crush the best MMA/K1 have to offer.
3. Randy Couture, at 40+ years old was still UFC heavyweight Champion. C'mon now...... im not trying to take anything away from Randy. He's a good guy and a legit champ. But look at the bums he was fighting. No way in hell should any 40 year old ever be a champ in a combative sport. I mean this ? was creepin into Viagra/Diaper-wearing age and still had the belt.
4. Chuck Liddell - unathletic overhyped drunken scrub was known as UFC's best for years. This dude wasnt even a B-level boxer and his stand up was 'feared' in the Octagon. He made a living off beating high school (HIGH SCHOOL!!, not even NCAA) wrestlers like Tito Ortiz.
5. Rampage Jackson - basically a brawler with a couple years of amatuer Wrestling skills. This guy would've been Roy Jones Jr punching bag if he stepped in a real gym. Give a prime RJJ a year of wrestling training and he would've ? on anyone in MMA. You wanna know the reason why Boxers never stepped to MMA? Because Boxers can make 10 million... 15 million... 20 million a fight.. MMA Main Eventers are lucky to see 1 million. Not even 20% of what Main Event boxers like RJJ made.
Maybe I'll start watching UFC when real athletes become involved, but for now I'm utterly unimpressed. I've seen it all before, none of the ? surprises me now, the fighters and rivalries suck compared to yester-year.
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KINGOFDAARCADE wrote: »First off Imma tell yall I used to be a ? fan of MMA. Dating back to the days when Royce Gracie was armbarring ? and the days when UFC got outlawed. All that ? . I was a HUGE fan back in the early 2000's during those UFC vs PRIDE days. I might not keep up with UFC as much these days but I know my ? .
With that said, I was expecting more out of the fighters than we're seeing today. UFC athletes are still low-tier scrubs. They aren't world class athletes.
1. Brock Lesnar, WWE entertainer dominated UFC HW division. [size=+3]I mean this ? spent YEARS away from REAL training, goes to a gym for a few months, and comes in a dominates the best UFC had to offer. Brock Lesnar lost an NCAA wrestling match to Stephen Neal, Patriots offensive Lineman. When Lesnar tried out for the Vikings, he couldn't even make there PRACTICE SQUAD. And he's some sort of "athletic freak" to MMA fans. That says it all right there.[/size]
2. Bob Sapp, NFL flunky dominated K1, which is known to have better strikers than UFC. Again, not even an elite talent in the NFL or anywhere close to it. If Bob Sapp could do this, what do you think ? like Ndomkong Suh or Haloti Ngata would do. Even Julius Peppers or a young Jevon Kearse. Give them 6 months of training and they would crush the best MMA/K1 have to offer.
3. Randy Couture, at 40+ years old was still UFC heavyweight Champion. C'mon now...... im not trying to take anything away from Randy. He's a good guy and a legit champ. But look at the bums he was fighting. No way in hell should any 40 year old ever be a champ in a combative sport. I mean this ? was creepin into Viagra/Diaper-wearing age and still had the belt.
4. Chuck Liddell - unathletic overhyped drunken scrub was known as UFC's best for years. This dude wasnt even a B-level boxer and his stand up was 'feared' in the Octagon. He made a living off beating high school (HIGH SCHOOL!!, not even NCAA) wrestlers like Tito Ortiz.
5. Rampage Jackson - basically a brawler with a couple years of amatuer Wrestling skills. [size=+3]This guy would've been Roy Jones Jr punching bag if he stepped in a real gym. Give a prime RJJ a year of wrestling training and he would've ? on anyone in MMA.[/size] You wanna know the reason why Boxers never stepped to MMA? Because Boxers can make 10 million... 15 million... 20 million a fight.. MMA Main Eventers are lucky to see 1 million. Not even 20% of what Main Event boxers like RJJ made.
Maybe I'll start watching UFC when real athletes become involved, but for now I'm utterly unimpressed. I've seen it all before, none of the ? surprises me now, the fighters and rivalries suck compared to yester-year.
Agree.
Which is why I laugh when people say that "no boxer" will ever dominate in the UFC. -
Lol @ people still putting MMA/UFC and boxing in a comparitive conversation together like its even worth typing about.
? UFC, ? its fans and ? its maker.
Worst thing I ever seen.
And more horrible are the stupid idiots who think its ok to put something as ancient and pure as boxing into such arguments.
If you wanna talk UFC just talk UFC.
Dont stain boxing by pitting it against such an inferior sport. -
Agree about lesnar, no football technique at all.
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If you wanna talk UFC just talk UFC.
Dont stain boxing by pitting it against such an inferior sport.
It's a comparison showing how inferior the athletes in MMA are.
Basically I'm saying......
Boxers - world class athletes
NFL players - world class athletes
MMA fighters - bums
and Im laughing at something I just thought about. GSP supposed to be this athletic freak in UFC, meanwhile his most common way of winning is laying on top of his opponent for 5 rounds. Basically dry ? . And that's the best athlete UFC got. -
If ignorance is bliss, T/S must be in heaven.
Did you know Brock Lesnar was asked to play in the European Football league to develop but declined? If you don't think Brock Lesnar is a freak athlete you're basically ? .
Rampage is a freak athlete too, he could have easily played DI football, and he has more tha "a couple years" of ametuer wrestling. You discredit yourself not even knowing that.
How many main event boxers are making 10-15 mil outside of Pac and Floyd? -
Lol @ people still putting MMA/UFC and boxing in a comparitive conversation together like its even worth typing about.
? UFC, ? its fans and ? its maker.
Worst thing I ever seen.
And more horrible are the stupid idiots who think its ok to put something as ancient and pure as boxing into such arguments.
If you wanna talk UFC just talk UFC.
Dont stain boxing by pitting it against such an inferior sport.
I said boxing was a dieing sport, hardly see any heavyweight bouts anymore, thats why I said it. Too many weight classes, why not just have 3 or 4? -
northside7 wrote: »I said boxing was a dieing sport, hardly see any heavyweight bouts anymore, thats why I said it. Too many weight classes, why not just have 3 or 4?
Boxing's not a dying sport.
It's very popular amongst many here in America and internationally.
It may not generate mainstream media attention outside of Mayweather or Pacquiao here in America, but it is far from dying.
The problem isn't the weight classes, its the alphabet organizations handing belts out.
Plus, people who would have been boxers about 20 years ago, are going into basketball or football. That's one of the things ? up the heavyweight scene in America. -
while i agree with most of what you said.. i dont think your giving some of the MMA guys enough credit...
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KINGOFDAARCADE wrote: »First off Imma tell yall I used to be a ? fan of MMA. Dating back to the days when Royce Gracie was armbarring ? and the days when UFC got outlawed. All that ? . I was a HUGE fan back in the early 2000's during those UFC vs PRIDE days. I might not keep up with UFC as much these days but I know my ? .
With that said, I was expecting more out of the fighters than we're seeing today. UFC athletes are still low-tier scrubs. They aren't world class athletes.
1. Brock Lesnar, WWE entertainer dominated UFC HW division. I mean this ? spent YEARS away from REAL training, goes to a gym for a few months, and comes in a dominates the best UFC had to offer. Brock Lesnar lost an NCAA wrestling match to Stephen Neal, Patriots offensive Lineman. When Lesnar tried out for the Vikings, he couldn't even make there PRACTICE SQUAD. And he's some sort of "athletic freak" to MMA fans. That says it all right there.
2. Bob Sapp, NFL flunky dominated K1, which is known to have better strikers than UFC. Again, not even an elite talent in the NFL or anywhere close to it. If Bob Sapp could do this, what do you think ? like Ndomkong Suh or Haloti Ngata would do. Even Julius Peppers or a young Jevon Kearse. Give them 6 months of training and they would crush the best MMA/K1 have to offer.
3. Randy Couture, at 40+ years old was still UFC heavyweight Champion. C'mon now...... im not trying to take anything away from Randy. He's a good guy and a legit champ. But look at the bums he was fighting. No way in hell should any 40 year old ever be a champ in a combative sport. I mean this ? was creepin into Viagra/Diaper-wearing age and still had the belt.
4. Chuck Liddell - unathletic overhyped drunken scrub was known as UFC's best for years. This dude wasnt even a B-level boxer and his stand up was 'feared' in the Octagon. He made a living off beating high school (HIGH SCHOOL!!, not even NCAA) wrestlers like Tito Ortiz.
5. Rampage Jackson - basically a brawler with a couple years of amatuer Wrestling skills. This guy would've been Roy Jones Jr punching bag if he stepped in a real gym. Give a prime RJJ a year of wrestling training and he would've ? on anyone in MMA. You wanna know the reason why Boxers never stepped to MMA? Because Boxers can make 10 million... 15 million... 20 million a fight.. MMA Main Eventers are lucky to see 1 million. Not even 20% of what Main Event boxers like RJJ made.
Maybe I'll start watching UFC when real athletes become involved, but for now I'm utterly unimpressed. I've seen it all before, none of the ? surprises me now, the fighters and rivalries suck compared to yester-year.
Hold up, wasnt Foreman like damn near 50 when he held the WBU, IBF and WBA belts?? -
U ethered your own argument when u used lesnar as an example
Dude was 27 when he tried out for the vikings, dude didnt even play high school or college balll and hr still was a late cut.
What about cats who play football their whole lives and dont even make it lmao
If that aint a great athlete then idk what to tell u bruh -
Hold up, wasnt Foreman like damn near 50 when he held the WBU, IBF and WBA belts??
Lmao......... -
Will Munny wrote: »If ignorance is bliss, T/S must be in heaven.
Did you know Brock Lesnar was asked to play in the European Football league to develop but declined? If you don't think Brock Lesnar is a freak athlete you're basically ? .
Rampage is a freak athlete too, he could have easily played DI football, and he has more tha "a couple years" of ametuer wrestling. You discredit yourself not even knowing that.
How many main event boxers are making 10-15 mil outside of Pac and Floyd?
this thread is probably the dumbest seriously thought out threa din sometime... -
Im not an MMA head but he clearly doesnt know what the ? he is talking about.. When like ? above said Foreman... Hopkins Glen Johnson JMM kicking ass as old dogs
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Boxing and MMA are so different it's ridiculous to compare the two to one another and while I'm a fan of both, I prefer boxing because it's more of a chess match in the ring. The problem with boxing, and most fighters, fans, and journalists agree is those damn organizations and those paper belts. Back in the day it was one champ and the rest were fighting for contention. Now it's iBF, WBC, WBA and more. As a fan you almost can't keep up with it. Aslo there is a serious lack of ko's in boxing now. Some people who have ko power don't go for the ko and there hasn't been a claer cut defining fight of the year for boxing this year (although my vote is for the marquez-katsidis fight this past saturday).. Boxing just needs more. More stars, more compelling heavyweight matches and less belts. UFC fighters are different because they square their shoulders to their opponent, your on an angle in boxing. I love both sports but UFC does not match up to the sport of boxing in my eyes.
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There will never be great athletes, or atleast many of them in the heavyweight division. Too many sports draw from that talent pool that is small to begin with. The money is in football, hockey, etc,
But at the same time, these little guys like 170 and below have no sports other than basically combat sports for them to get into. These guys are p4p very athletic. -
Fighting and playing a contact sport are two completely different things....ANYBODY can pick up a ball and play _________ but it takes a different mindset to throw hands with someone. That right there alone is enough to warrant more respect than T/S is giving fighters.
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Fighting and playing a contact sport are two completely different things....ANYBODY can pick up a ball and play _________ but it takes a different mindset to throw hands with someone. That right there alone is enough to warrant more respect than T/S is giving fighters.
Co-sign that. I echo those sentiments to te fullest. I've heard Myweather say that many of times. Anybody can run up and down a court and shoot a jump shot but evrybody can't get in the ring and exchange blows with another person -
Co-sign, but y'all late on this. I've NEVER watched a UFC/MMA fight start to finish and refuse to. It's garbage. You can tell alot about a sport just by looking at its competitors. Two red flags for me...
1. All of the "washed-up" athletes from other sports giving it a try and doing pretty well at it. That would be like Michael Vick going to the 76ers tomorrow and easily averaging 20 ppg and 12asst with no training camp and even though he hasn't played organized ball since middle-school and with no prior proof that he could EVER play basketball -- I would lose a lot of respect for the NBA real quick. Hell, even Jordan got sonned by the game of baseball when he tried it.
2. And this is the biggie -- My racist ass grandpa (? rest his crazy ass soul, lol) Told me something a long time ago when him and my pops was talking about Golf. He said "you can always tell how 'real' a sport is by how many good WHITE PLAYERS it has in it." You can't find a decent middle, light, or heavyweight WHITE BOXER, but MMA is filled with roided-out, thick-neck white fighters that are supposed to be so "good".
MMA is to Boxing what AND-1/Harlem Globetrotters is to real Basketball. It's just boxing without the precision, skill, and restraints. Which for me = boooorrrrrrriiiiinnnnng. -
greenwood1921 wrote: »Co-sign, but y'all late on this. I've NEVER watched a UFC/MMA fight start to finish and refuse to. It's garbage. You can tell alot about a sport just by looking at its competitors. Two red flags for me...
1. All of the "washed-up" athletes from other sports giving it a try and doing pretty well at it. That would be like Michael Vick going to the 76ers tomorrow and easily averaging 20 ppg and 12asst with no training camp and even though he hasn't played organized ball since middle-school and with no prior proof that he could EVER play basketball -- I would lose a lot of respect for the NBA real quick. Hell, even Jordan got sonned by the game of baseball when he tried it.
2. And this is the biggie -- My racist ass grandpa (? rest his crazy ass soul, lol) Told me something a long time ago when him and my pops was talking about Golf. He said "you can always tell how 'real' a sport is by how many good WHITE PLAYERS it has in it." You can't find a decent middle, light, or heavyweight WHITE BOXER, but MMA is filled with roided-out, thick-neck white fighters that are supposed to be so "good".
MMA is to Boxing what AND-1/Harlem Globetrotters is to real Basketball. It's just boxing without the precision, skill, and restraints. Which for me = boooorrrrrrriiiiinnnnng.
so football, soccer, and hockey arent real sports -
greenwood1921 wrote: »Co-sign, but y'all late on this. I've NEVER watched a UFC/MMA fight start to finish and refuse to. It's garbage. You can tell alot about a sport just by looking at its competitors. Two red flags for me...
1. All of the "washed-up" athletes from other sports giving it a try and doing pretty well at it. That would be like Michael Vick going to the 76ers tomorrow and easily averaging 20 ppg and 12asst with no training camp and even though he hasn't played organized ball since middle-school and with no prior proof that he could EVER play basketball -- I would lose a lot of respect for the NBA real quick. Hell, even Jordan got sonned by the game of baseball when he tried it.
2. And this is the biggie -- My racist ass grandpa (? rest his crazy ass soul, lol) Told me something a long time ago when him and my pops was talking about Golf. He said "you can always tell how 'real' a sport is by how many good WHITE PLAYERS it has in it." You can't find a decent middle, light, or heavyweight WHITE BOXER, but MMA is filled with roided-out, thick-neck white fighters that are supposed to be so "good".
MMA is to Boxing what AND-1/Harlem Globetrotters is to real Basketball. It's just boxing without the precision, skill, and restraints. Which for me = boooorrrrrrriiiiinnnnng.
Pretty much...
And has anyone ever seen the so-called KO's in MMA??? Dude hits other dude, other dude falls, 1st dude jumps on top and throws 1000 punches on a defenseless man and fight is stopped... stupidest ? ever... especially when only like 3 of those 1000 punches makes it thru the defenseless dude's guard...
MMA is just like every other "extreme sport"... white people cannot dominate or be competitive in the established sports so the 'create' an extreme version of some hobby (skateboarding, snowboarding, BMX, Superbike stunts, etc) and make it a sport. FOH -
Pretty much...
And has anyone ever seen the so-called KO's in MMA??? Dude hits other dude, other dude falls, 1st dude jumps on top and throws 1000 punches on a defenseless man and fight is stopped... stupidest ? ever... especially when only like 3 of those 1000 punches makes it thru the defenseless dude's guard...
MMA is just like every other "extreme sport"... white people cannot dominate or be competitive in the established sports so the 'create' an extreme version of some hobby (skateboarding, snowboarding, BMX, Superbike stunts, etc) and make it a sport. FOH
Truth.com/this-man-knows-what-he's-talking-about -
so football, soccer, and hockey arent real sports
Football is 70% black. Soccer is 80% ethnic (non-white) and Hockey is... well, Hockey (and I think Hockey is a Canadian word for "who gives a ? ?") -
greenwood1921 wrote: »Football is 70% black. Soccer is 80% ethnic (non-white) and Hockey is... well, Hockey (and I think Hockey is a Canadian word for "who gives a ? ?")
ok but you said good white players and football and soccer have plenty of good white players. and you guys are acting like its just white ppl in mma theres plenty of black guys and dudes from brazil -
T/S and other people co-signing his bs have clearly been huffing paint.
1. The upper echelon UFC fighters are probably on par with any athletes in any other sport.
Lesnar= former D-1 college athlete.
GSP = world class athlete, has received invitations to compete for a spot in the Olympics in wrestling.
Randy Couture= former Olympian.
Dan Henderson = former olympian.
I can continue, but you get the point.
2. Ppl up in here acting like you need to be the greatest athlete in the world to be on a roster in a major sport. Oh yes, because Brian Scalabrine and Eddy Curry are the pinnacle of athleticism. When I think ultra athletes, I clearly think about the likes of CC Sabathia and Jamie Moyer.
And don't ? get me started on boxing. John Ruiz? Sam Peters? Chris Arreola? Last time I checked, your sport had Nikolai Valuev as a former HW champion. Nikolai ? Valuev. Nikolai - 7'5 and can barely get out of his own way -Valuev. Don't make me ? laugh.
2. Even if the average MMA fighter isn't the best athlete right now, they will be in the near future because the sport is still evolving. For the longest time, there has been a huge gap between the top fighters and everyone else. Remember when 5 years ago, ppl thought Chuck Liddell was an MMA master? Just 5 years later, everyone knows he would be eviscerated if he stepped into the octagon with even the middle-tier of MMA fighters. The new school generation of fighters is closing the gap. Look at the meteoric rise of Jon Bones Jones, Cain Velasquez, Daniel Cormier. And you know the scary part? These are just the fighters who developed into MMA fighters after being wrestlers. We still haven't seen yet fighters who were born and raised practicing full MMA, with the exception of Jose Aldo, who is arguably already p4p the best fighter in the world. -
arbitration wrote: »T/S and other people co-signing his bs have clearly been huffing paint.
1. The upper echelon UFC fighters are probably on par with any athletes in any other sport. Lesnar= former D-1 college athlete. GSP = world class athlete, has received invitations to compete for a spot in the Olympics in wrestling. Randy Couture= former Olympian. Dan Henderson = former olympian. I can continue, but you get the point.
2. Ppl up in here acting like you need to be the greatest athlete in the world to be on a roster in a major sport. Oh yes, because Brian Scalabrine and Eddy Curry are the pinnacle of athleticism. When I think ultra athletes, I clearly think about the likes of CC Sabathia and Jamie Moyer.
And don't ? get me started on boxing. John Ruiz? Sam Peters? Chris Arreola? Last time I checked, your sport had Nikolai Valuev as a former HW champion. Nikolai ? Valuev. Nikolai - 7'5 and can barely get out of his own way -Valuev. Don't make me ? laugh.
2. Even if the average MMA fighter isn't the best athlete right now, they will be in the near future because the sport is still evolving. For the longest time, there has been a huge gap between the top fighters and everyone else. Remember when 5 years ago, ppl thought Chuck Liddell was an MMA master? Just 5 years later, everyone knows he would be eviscerated if he stepped into the octagon with even the middle-tier of MMA fighters. The new school generation of fighters is closing the gap. Look at the meteoric rise of Jon Bones Jones, Cain Velasquez, Daniel Cormier. And you know the scary part? These are just the fighters who developed into MMA fighters after being wrestlers. We still haven't seen yet fighters who were born and raised practicing full MMA, with the exception of Jose Aldo, who is arguably already p4p the best fighter in the world.
couldnt have said it better. these dudes confuse not liking something with it being wack
