Could Any DC,Marvel,Capcom, ETC. Character beat a Super Saiyan?
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I always thought DBZ was the definition of corny and nerd ? and never was a fan of the animation as well....? DBZ or whatever the hell that ? is.
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Thread like these make me wish i was a comic head....SMH
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DrMindbender122 wrote: »@ Jaxn: We ARE talking about the same Goku that was shown to have nearly died from energy absorption powers on numerous occasions, right?
Android 19 was killing him and would've done so if it weren't for Vegeta intervening and saving Goku's assSame thing when he fought Super Android 17 (and Goku was @ SS4 level) and got his energy utilized by his enemy. The Surfer would do the same. Only difference is that the Surfer wouldn't play around with Goku; he'd finish him.Face it: Goku's power and attacks are energy based.Are u REALLY gonna tell me that a fully charged Kamehame wave and/or a Spirit Bomb is even gonna scratch the Surfer?I mean, Goku couldn't even survive a point blank blast when Cell detonated himself on King Kai's planet.
Of course not..Cell was packing more power than either Goku or Surfer. You say that like Cell was Ironman level or some ? . Cell had the combined abilities and power of Goku, Piccolo, Vegeta, Androids 17 & 18. And even in that form, the bomb inside of him was more than capable of taking a fully powered Cell out. Had it not been for the remaining cell left behind, Cell wouldn’t have survived either.Yet, the Surfer is capable of surviving a point blank supa nova blast...which is pretty much the equivalent of the Sun exploding. The Surfer would take Goku's best, absorb it (just like both Androids did) and then use that power against Goku.Saiyans have awesome power levels and attacks, but they need to charge them in order for most of them to do epic damage.U think the Surfer is gonna sit there and allow that to happen? Not only that, how many times could Goku fire off a kamehame and hit the Surfer before he's exhausted?Goku has shown over and over that he can't sustain his power levels for an extended amount of time.He got his SS3 ass handed to him by final form Janemba. He needed to fuse with Vegeta to become Gogeta in order to beat him.This is the same Goku who tired out while fighting Kid Buu and needed the energy from pretty much everyone in the DBZ universe for his Spirit Bomb and help from Shenron's wishes, too. Bottom line is that he couldn't do it offa his own merits.Like I said before: the Surfer doesn't need to eat, sleep or drink water in order to survive. The ? can breathe in ANY environment.He could drop Goku's ass off in the middle of space or the Sun and leave him there.With the Surfer being able to travel faster than the speed of light, having his cosmic awareness, etc., etc., etc., this fight ain't even fair.Sorry Man, but the Surfer wins this fight...easily. MAYBE if Goku fused with Gohan, the fight might be somewhat fair.
Maybe if you actually learned more about the Surfer, you’d understand how he truly fights and what he’s truly capable of. Get at me sometime, I can point you in the direction of some of his better story arcs. In fact, the Surfer has a new series starting up on the 16th of this month which I hope is promising. -
Can you prove that Goku's energy attacks are stronger than a supernova? If you use movie and anime Goku, the sun killed Broly who was much stronger than any single Goku, and a supernova is equivalent to the sun or a more powerful star exploding. Even manga Goku has no feats whatsoever. His highest level and the highest level of anyone in DBZ is planet busting. Not to mention that Goku's physical strength has never done anything like shatter a planet or anything crazy like that. Hulk shattered a planet or something similar in one punch. Whether it's a high end feat or not, it's still usable since Goku hasn't shown anything near that level of strength. Surfer takes Hulk's hits like nothing. And Surfer is clearly meant to take supernova explosions w/o a scratch, considering it's one of the main traits Marvel states for him.
And while Surfer doesn't go all out, either does Goku. Goku starts off normal and progresses based on how the fight goes. He also almost never kills. This puts him at a serious disadvantage against those who never tire and are super strong like Juggernaut and Hulk. Especially as Goku hitting Hulk will only make him madder and thus stronger. Plus the topic is if any character CAN beat a supersaiyan. Even if Surfer doesn't tend to use his time powers or his blackhole powers or even his molecule alteration, he CAN and that is the basis of the topic. Not to mention that Surfer will use these powers if he has to and he deems the fight serious. Plus Surfer has class 100(100 tons) strength naturally and can amp his powers indefinitely (as told by Marvel).
And Thanos is nearly impossible to ? , has super strength enough to ? Surfer, and KO Hulk. His mind powers are enough to mind control the Fallen One, who is similar to Surfer in power, and he has cosmic powers and can heal himself. Nothing Goku can do can hurt him.
Flash can use speed force to go many times the speed of light(like 50x) and even outran death. Plus he can use his superspeed momentum to ? people on Superman's level, so he can do the same to Goku, not to mention he can phase through solid objects.
Thor's hammer has KO'ed Hulk and Surfer and high end feats for Thor include beating Galactus, Odin's father, and other gods and godlike beings. He can and will swing his hammer at FTL speeds and it will KO Goku. Not to mention he beat Ego the Living Planet with a planetwide Lightning storm.
Goku stands no chance honestly. There's even some Yu Yu Hakusho characters that can beat him(not that they are weak). -
GoFuckYourself wrote: »Goku and Broli would murder every single mafucker in the DC and Capcom Universe.
All the mutants with telepathic powers in Marvel will murder all the DBZ characters.
fixed. & i actually agree with this.
im sorry but as far as might & power aint nobody ? with the saiyajins.
yeah surfer can survive supernovas, but if vegeta was destroying planets in his first appearance @ about a 20,000 power level @ normal, wtf is a supernova blast to ssj vegeta or super piccolo?
each universe does measure strength differently though. ive seen spiderman struggle with a car then lift a part of a skyscraper, all these companies r inconsistant with the strength, thor took a bullet to the head and got knocked unconscious yet he can hang with superman who bullets bounce off?
goku N piccolo could bearly lift cars but yet piccolo destroyed the moon with ease.
i do think telepaths would be a problem though, unless goku finishes quickly with instant transmission, but even he sometimes is a proven idiot, word to captain ginyu.
regardless the z fighters got this. -
Thanos with the infinite Gems would rock them corny DBZ cats..
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DarkRaiden wrote: »Can you prove that Goku's energy attacks are stronger than a supernova? If you use movie and anime Goku, the sun killed Broly who was much stronger than any single Goku, and a supernova is equivalent to the sun or a more powerful star exploding. Even manga Goku has no feats whatsoever. His highest level and the highest level of anyone in DBZ is planet busting. Not to mention that Goku's physical strength has never done anything like shatter a planet or anything crazy like that. Hulk shattered a planet or something similar in one punch. Whether it's a high end feat or not, it's still usable since Goku hasn't shown anything near that level of strength. Surfer takes Hulk's hits like nothing. And Surfer is clearly meant to take supernova explosions w/o a scratch, considering it's one of the main traits Marvel states for him.
And while Surfer doesn't go all out, either does Goku. Goku starts off normal and progresses based on how the fight goes. He also almost never kills. This puts him at a serious disadvantage against those who never tire and are super strong like Juggernaut and Hulk. Especially as Goku hitting Hulk will only make him madder and thus stronger. Plus the topic is if any character CAN beat a supersaiyan. Even if Surfer doesn't tend to use his time powers or his blackhole powers or even his molecule alteration, he CAN and that is the basis of the topic. Not to mention that Surfer will use these powers if he has to and he deems the fight serious. Plus Surfer has class 100(100 tons) strength naturally and can amp his powers indefinitely (as told by Marvel).
And Thanos is nearly impossible to ? , has super strength enough to ? Surfer, and KO Hulk. His mind powers are enough to mind control the Fallen One, who is similar to Surfer in power, and he has cosmic powers and can heal himself. Nothing Goku can do can hurt him.
Flash can use speed force to go many times the speed of light(like 50x) and even outran death. Plus he can use his superspeed momentum to ? people on Superman's level, so he can do the same to Goku, not to mention he can phase through solid objects.
Thor's hammer has KO'ed Hulk and Surfer and high end feats for Thor include beating Galactus, Odin's father, and other gods and godlike beings. He can and will swing his hammer at FTL speeds and it will KO Goku. Not to mention he beat Ego the Living Planet with a planetwide Lightning storm.
Goku stands no chance honestly. There's even some Yu Yu Hakusho characters that can beat him(not that they are weak).
Co-sign the bolded/underlined/italicized stuff. I gave up trying to prove my point for the most part. Me and Jaxn & anyone else who thinks that a Super Saiyan can beat Marvel's upper echelon (class 100 ton and omega-level mutant characters) are just gonna have to agree to disagree. Jaxn did make some interesting points, though; gotta give credit where credit is due.
Like I said before, all anyone would have to do would be to take a page outta Android 19 and Super Android 17's books and Goku would be beaten, as proven by the DBZ/DBGT clips I posted. Android 19 and Android 20/Dr Gero didn't even have Goku becoming a 1st level Super Saiyan taken into account, yet 19 still went toe to toe with SS1 Goku BEFORE the heart disease had even taken effect.
As far as teleportation/instant transmission, Goku wouldn't be able to keep that up for long. He'd be located and found faster than Super Buu did right before Goku & Vegeta fused and formed Vegito. Without senzu beans, Goku can't recharge himself in a hurry; he'd tire out like he did after Vegeta stepped in during their fight with Kid Buu and/or during his fight with Cell, yet people seem to think that Goku's powers are unlimited. Don't believe me and want proof? Just go back and take a look @ how hard Goku was huffin' and puffin' after he hit that instant transmission kamehame attack on Cell. The ? was D-O-N-E. After he uses his powers to a high level, that ? wrecks havoc on Goku's body. Goku would've been toast had Cell gone straight in for the ? afterwards. -
fixed. & i actually agree with this.
im sorry but as far as might & power aint nobody ? with the saiyajins.
yeah surfer can survive supernovas, but if vegeta was destroying planets in his first appearance @ about a 20,000 power level @ normal, wtf is a supernova blast to ssj vegeta or super piccolo?
each universe does measure strength differently though. ive seen spiderman struggle with a car then lift a part of a skyscraper, all these companies r inconsistant with the strength, thor took a bullet to the head and got knocked unconscious yet he can hang with superman who bullets bounce off?
goku N piccolo could bearly lift cars but yet piccolo destroyed the moon with ease.
i do think telepaths would be a problem though, unless goku finishes quickly with instant transmission, but even he sometimes is a proven idiot, word to captain ginyu.
regardless the z fighters got this.
It's certain death, at least in Piccolo's case. If I'm not mistaken, didn't he opt to remain on Earth in DBGT right before it exploded and Goku had gotten all of the other Z fighters away? Guess what happened to him as a result? And let's not forget that an entire army and planet of Saiyans were exterminated as an after-effect from a planet exploding.
Let's say Vegeta or Piccolo survived; as corny as it might sound, none of the Z fighters can breathe in space. -
For all intent and purpose that fight on Freeza was 5 minutes. These bttles on DBZ are happening extremely fast. No one seems to recognize that.
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DarkRaiden wrote: »Can you prove that Goku's energy attacks are stronger than a supernova? If you use movie and anime Goku, the sun killed Broly who was much stronger than any single Goku, and a supernova is equivalent to the sun or a more powerful star exploding.Even manga Goku has no feats whatsoever. His highest level and the highest level of anyone in DBZ is planet busting.Not to mention that Goku's physical strength has never done anything like shatter a planet or anything crazy like that.Hulk shattered a planet or something similar in one punch.Whether it's a high end feat or not, it's still usable since Goku hasn't shown anything near that level of strength.Surfer takes Hulk's hits like nothing. And Surfer is clearly meant to take supernova explosions w/o a scratch, considering it's one of the main traits Marvel states for him.And while Surfer doesn't go all out, either does Goku. Goku starts off normal and progresses based on how the fight goes. He also almost never kills.This puts him at a serious disadvantage against those who never tire and are super strong like Juggernaut and Hulk
.Especially as Goku hitting Hulk will only make him madder and thus stronger.Plus the topic is if any character CAN beat a supersaiyan.Even if Surfer doesn't tend to use his time powersor his blackhole powersor even his molecule alteration, he CAN and that is the basis of the topic.Not to mention that Surfer will use these powers if he has to and he deems the fight serious. Plus Surfer has class 100(100 tons) strength naturally and can amp his powers indefinitely (as told by Marvel).And Thanos is nearly impossible to ? , has super strength enough to ? Surfer, and KO Hulk. His mind powers are enough to mind control the Fallen One, who is similar to Surfer in power, and he has cosmic powers and can heal himself. Nothing Goku can do can hurt him.Flash can use speed force to go many times the speed of light(like 50x) and even outran death. Plus he can use his superspeed momentum to ? people on Superman's level, so he can do the same to Goku, not to mention he can phase through solid objects.Thor's hammer has KO'ed Hulk and Surfer and high end feats for Thor include beating Galactus, Odin's father, and other gods and godlike beings.He can and will swing his hammer at FTL speeds and it will KO Goku.Not to mention he beat Ego the Living Planet with a planetwide Lightning storm.
Goku stands no chance honestly. There's even some Yu Yu Hakusho characters that can beat him(not that they are weak).
And all Goku has done is beat guys who destroys planets casually..defeated guys capable of destroying the universe, but Thor...he beat Ego.. -
Kal-El acutally get's his powers from the earth's sun, so any intergaltic being or someone that can travel through multiple universes can defeat him.
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Kal-El acutally get's his powers from the earth's sun, so any intergaltic being or someone that can travel through multiple universes can defeat him.
he is a battery for solar energy, so even if you destroy the Sun ain't no tellin how long Superman can go at full power until he uses up all his stored solar energy
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Goku never beat anyone that can destroy a universe. Literally the highest was planet busting. And yes Thanos has higher feats than Hulk as he's Ko'd and killed Surfer who can easily take Hulk's hits. Goku has no feats or any proof he can even hurt Hulk or Juggernaut, and until it's been proven, your argument is void. And Goku, while being a saiyan, has never killed anyone in DBZ. in DB he only killed King Piccolo. In DBZ, Trunks killed Frieza, Gohan killed Cell, and the Earth and the spirit bomb killed Buu. And even though they can destroy planets easily, DBZ characters still don't go past planet busting and thus are weaker than a plethora of characters. And just because Surfer doesn't use his matter manipulation powers all the time, doesn't mean he can't use them.
And btw Spirit Bomb is ENERGY the thing Thor can hit back and SUrfer can absorb. Also it only hurts those that are evil, it's a stated fact, it didn't even ? Frieza either. It wouldn't effect THor or Surfer since they're good, Hulk cause he'd tank it and regenerate if he didn't, and Juggernaut would tank it as well. Thanos would laugh at it and proceed to beat the stuffing out of Goku. Get over it, Goku can't win. And flash outrinning death means he's too fast for Goku to touch, the same way he was too fast for Superboy Prime who has crazy feats. BUt Troll on, b/c you and I and everyone knows GOku stands no chance whatsoever. -
DarkRaiden wrote: »Goku never beat anyone that can destroy a universe. Literally the highest was planet busting. And yes Thanos has higher feats than Hulk as he's Ko'd and killed Surfer who can easily take Hulk's hits. Goku has no feats or any proof he can even hurt Hulk or Juggernaut, and until it's been proven, your argument is void. And Goku, while being a saiyan, has never killed anyone in DBZ. in DB he only killed King Piccolo. In DBZ, Trunks killed Frieza, Gohan killed Cell, and the Earth and the spirit bomb killed Buu. And even though they can destroy planets easily, DBZ characters still don't go past planet busting and thus are weaker than a plethora of characters. And just because Surfer doesn't use his matter manipulation powers all the time, doesn't mean he can't use them.
And btw Spirit Bomb is ENERGY the thing Thor can hit back and SUrfer can absorb. Also it only hurts those that are evil, it's a stated fact, it didn't even ? Frieza either. It wouldn't effect THor or Surfer since they're good, Hulk cause he'd tank it and regenerate if he didn't, and Juggernaut would tank it as well. Thanos would laugh at it and proceed to beat the stuffing out of Goku. Get over it, Goku can't win. And flash outrinning death means he's too fast for Goku to touch, the same way he was too fast for Superboy Prime who has crazy feats. BUt Troll on, b/c you and I and everyone knows GOku stands no chance whatsoever.
So Buu had the "Gods" of the universe scared and almost destoryed the universe ( and could destory one unchecked.). And you neglect that fact. -
DrMindbender122 wrote: »Co-sign the bolded/underlined/italicized stuff. I gave up trying to prove my point for the most part. Me and Jaxn & anyone else who thinks that a Super Saiyan can beat Marvel's upper echelon (class 100 ton and omega-level mutant characters) are just gonna have to agree to disagree. Jaxn did make some interesting points, though; gotta give credit where credit is due.Like I said before, all anyone would have to do would be to take a page outta Android 19 and Super Android 17's books and Goku would be beaten, as proven by the DBZ/DBGT clips I posted. Android 19 and Android 20/Dr Gero didn't even have Goku becoming a 1st level Super Saiyan taken into account, yet 19 still went toe to toe with SS1 Goku BEFORE the heart disease had even taken effect.As far as teleportation/instant transmission, Goku wouldn't be able to keep that up for long.He'd be located and found faster than Super Buu did right before Goku & Vegeta fused and formed Vegito.Without senzu beans, Goku can't recharge himself in a hurry; he'd tire out like he did after Vegeta stepped in during their fight with Kid Buu and/or during his fight with Cell, yet people seem to think that Goku's powers are unlimited.Don't believe me and want proof? Just go back and take a look @ how hard Goku was huffin' and puffin' after he hit that instant transmission kamehame attack on Cell.
Right, this was after a nice battle with Cell.The ? was D-O-N-E. After he uses his powers to a high level, that ? wrecks havoc on Goku's body. Goku would've been toast had Cell gone straight in for the ? afterwards. -
DarkRaiden wrote: »Goku never beat anyone that can destroy a universe.Literally the highest was planet busting.And yes Thanos has higher feats than Hulk as he's Ko'd and killed Surfer who can easily take Hulk's hits.Goku has no feats or any proof he can even hurt Hulk or Juggernaut, and until it's been proven, your argument is void.And Goku, while being a saiyan, has never killed anyone in DBZ.in DB he only killed King Piccolo.In DBZ, Trunks killed Frieza, Gohan killed Cell, and the Earth and the spirit bomb killed Buu.And even though they can destroy planets easily, DBZ characters still don't go past planet busting and thus are weaker than a plethora of characters.And just because Surfer doesn't use his matter manipulation powers all the time, doesn't mean he can't use them.And btw Spirit Bomb is ENERGY the thing Thor can hit back and SUrfer can absorb.Also it only hurts those that are evil, it's a stated fact, it didn't even ? Frieza either. It wouldn't effect THor or Surfer since they're good,Hulk cause he'd tank it and regenerate if he didn't, and Juggernaut would tank it as well.Thanos would laugh at it and proceed to beat the stuffing out of Goku.Get over it, Goku can't win.And flash outrinning death means he's too fast for Goku to touch, the same way he was too fast for Superboy Prime who has crazy feats.BUt Troll on, b/c you and I and everyone knows GOku stands no chance whatsoever.
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That’s cool. We can agree to disagree on this one. Goku is above top tier though. Way above.
Actually the Dr. did have their SSJ levels taken into effect. The androids weren’t created until after Goku and the likes returned from planet Namek. That’s how Frieza was included in Cell’s dna. Super 17 and Android 19 are more powerful than most top tiers
Because why?
How though?
I’ve never heard anyone claim Goku’s endurance is unlimited, however you seem to think these fights are going to take days or weeks. Against Cell, Goku burned all of his energy on his last k-wave, which would’ve done the job had Cell not had regeneration
Right, this was after a nice battle with Cell.
This is very misleading. Goku was done after having a prolonged fight with Cell..then unleashing a powerful finishing move which would’ve destroyed Cell had he known about his regeneration..We can agree to disagree though.
Sorry, Buddy Boy, but you're wrong. Dr Gero didn't have a clue as to what a Super Sayian was. See for yourself here:
Same thing when Gero was like: "Not him too!!!" when Vegeta went SS1:
But to end this debate, here you go (straight from Marvel's wiki website): http://marvel.com/universe/Silver_Surfer
And here's Goku's bio from the DBZ wiki site: http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Goku
As to answer your question as to how the Surfer could locate Goku, again, read his page straight offa Marvel's website; his "Powers" section in particular. This ? can sense power levels light years away.
To say that Goku's powers and techniques DON'T take a toll on his body, what about when he first started using the Kaio-ken? The Kaio-ken during his fight with Vegeta? The Kaio-ken during his pre-SS1 fight with Frieza? The Spirit Bomb on Frieza? His SS3 fight with Kid Buu before Vegeta took his turn? The Spirit Bomb when he fought Kid Buu BEFORE the Eternal Dragon aided him in restoring his power back to full level? When he went SS3 in front of Goten and Trunks and nearly collapsed afterwards? His SS4 fight with Super Android 17?
And that monster that ate Goku's power and exploded cuz he got full...I think you're talking about that cornball character in a "filler" DBZ episode who lived in a cave in total darkness, right? This is right before Gohan fought Debora (spelling?) the Demon King, right? That ? was soooo corny. Goku could've used his "all powerful might" and blasted a hole outta that cave and allowed natural sunlight in to ? that thing.
Like like you pointed out before, a lot of what's done fight-wise in DBZ/DBGT is for artistic purposes. Same thing can and has been said with comics for years. Hence why Wolverine can beat or hang with the Hulk one minute, but then be shook by the Hulk the next (as referenced in "The Incredible Hulk" issue #340). Inconsistencies are purposely done IMO just to make some fights/storylines worthwhile reading/seeing. Case in point with DBZ: Another poster pointed out that the SS1 Goku/Frieza fight took place in a span of five minutes, but was stretched out over a week or two. Well, the Cell Games, Goku and Gohan's fight with Cell, Trunks getting killed and then revived, Gohan going SS2, the Cell Jr's, etc., all took place in one day's time. Yet all of that ? was stretched out to over month in DBZ episodes on TV. I was never a big fan of DBGT, so I won't even point to the many inconsistencies in that series.
Sorry Man, but your boy Goku gets trounced handedly by the Surfer should they ever fight. The only true way I suppose to end this debate without any "what ifs" or "how about if such and such happpened?" would be to do something similar how they do on that show where they pit different fighters from different eras through computer similuations based offa their abilities, stengths and weaknesses in order to determine who'd win.
But based offa what Marvel the company itself says about the Surfers powers, you, Chi Chi, Gohan, Goten, Krillin, Master Roshi, King Kai, all of the other Z Fighters and anyone else who thinks Goku would stand a chance against the Surfer would be like this after the 1st few minutes of such a fight:
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lol, this reminds me of the gobots sketch on robot chicken
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DrMindbender122 wrote: »Sorry, Buddy Boy, but you're wrong. Dr Gero didn't have a clue as to what a Super Sayian was. See for yourself here:
I thought we were in agreement? Gero may not have known what a SSJ was, but the androids were created from the DNA left after all of the DBZers returned from Namek, otherwise, Frieza wouldn’t have been includedSame thing when Gero was like: "Not him too!!!" when Vegeta went SS1:But to end this debate, here you go (straight from Marvel's wiki website): http://marvel.com/universe/Silver_Surfer
And here's Goku's bio from the DBZ wiki site: http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/GokuAs to answer your question as to how the Surfer could locate Goku, again, read his page straight offa Marvel's website; his "Powers" section in particular. This ? can sense power levels light years away.To say that Goku's powers and techniques DON'T take a toll on his body, what about when he first started using the Kaio-ken? The Kaio-ken during his fight with Vegeta?The Kaio-ken during his pre-SS1 fight with Frieza?The Spirit Bomb on Frieza?His SS3 fight with Kid Buu before Vegeta took his turn? The Spirit Bomb when he fought Kid Buu BEFORE the Eternal Dragon aided him in restoring his power back to full level? When he went SS3 in front of Goten and Trunks and nearly collapsed afterwards? His SS4 fight with Super Android 17?And that monster that ate Goku's power and exploded cuz he got full...I think you're talking about that cornball character in a "filler" DBZ episode who lived in a cave in total darkness, right? This is right before Gohan fought Debora (spelling?) the Demon King, right? That ? was soooo corny. Goku could've used his "all powerful might" and blasted a hole outta that cave and allowed natural sunlight in to ? that thing.Like like you pointed out before, a lot of what's done fight-wise in DBZ/DBGT is for artistic purposes. Same thing can and has been said with comics for years. Hence why Wolverine can beat or hang with the Hulk one minute, but then be shook by the Hulk the next (as referenced in "The Incredible Hulk" issue #340). Inconsistencies are purposely done IMO just to make some fights/storylines worthwhile reading/seeing. Case in point with DBZ: Another poster pointed out that the SS1 Goku/Frieza fight took place in a span of five minutes, but was stretched out over a week or two.Well, the Cell Games, Goku and Gohan's fight with Cell, Trunks getting killed and then revived, Gohan going SS2, the Cell Jr's, etc., all took place in one day's time. Yet all of that ? was stretched out to over month in DBZ episodes on TV. I was never a big fan of DBGT, so I won't even point to the many inconsistencies in that series.Sorry Man, but your boy Goku gets trounced handedly by the Surfer should they ever fight. The only true way I suppose to end this debate without any "what ifs" or "how about if such and such happpened?" would be to do something similar how they do on that show where they pit different fighters from different eras through computer similuations based offa their abilities, stengths and weaknesses in order to determine who'd win.But based offa what Marvel the company itself says about the Surfers powers, you, Chi Chi, Gohan, Goten, Krillin, Master Roshi, King Kai, all of the other Z Fighters and anyone else who thinks Goku would stand a chance against the Surfer would be like this after the 1st few minutes of such a fight:
So let me get this straight..Marvel speaks for the DBZ universe as well? Where in that Marvel wiki did it say anything about a fight between Surfer and any DBZer? Like I said earlier man, I can point you in the direction of great Surfer stories and you will be able to see for yourself. It’s not even easy for me to admit Surfer would lose to Goku but I have to call it how it is man. DBZ operates on a larger power scale than Marvel or DC. It’s really that simple. -
I can't look at those vids right now, but I will check them out later. I might have to bust out a few comic scans as well just to show the difference. It's always been hard debating DBZ with the regular companies because of the fact of how powerful these DBZ guys are. I'm giving Marvel/DC the benefit of the doubt by saying that a SSJ is around the level of an elite top tier, but in reality Frieza is above top tier and a SSJ is stronger than him. Very few top tiers are walking around with the power to easily destroy planets. Surfer has destroyed a planet in his second fight with Morg and once he received his powerup during the Annihilation arc, he destroyed a planet while fighting Ravenous..Thanos and Dumb Drax destroyed a planet way back in the day in one of their earlier fights.
But to clarify. I'm a huge Surfer and Thor fan, along with a few others. I've known about them long before I even seen a DBZ episode. What Marvel has on their website and even in their latest Marvel encyclopedia doesn't necessarily add up to what has been shown in comics largely because of so many writers adding their own agendas to these characters. That's why you see instances of Superman not being able to breathe in space and other instances were he can..DBZ doesn't have this inconsistency because up until GT, it's all written by one person. -
Even Yamcha Would Body anyone from Marvel DC or Capcom
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when talking about goku vs superman, they always let goku power up to super sayan 4 n ? but never talk about supes more powerful forms that can control dimensions n ?
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I got the DBZ characters winning against most of the DC/Marvel characters hands down, only the ? powered characters got a chance against them which is only a few. Goku SS4 could probably destroy half a galaxy worth of planets with his full power.
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I got the DBZ characters winning against most of the DC/Marvel characters hands down, only the ? powered characters got a chance against them which is only a few. Goku SS4 could probably destroy half a galaxy worth of planets with his full power.
Based off of what exactly?? The most ever stated to be destroyed in DBZ is planets. Even Buu destroyed things planet by planet. No mass destruction. And btw, SSJ4 Goku is non canon and thus doesn't exist in the official DBZ universe. It also makes Goku look weaker tbh, with SSJ$ Vegeta struggling to hold up a building and SSJ$ Goku doing the same with maybe a city or something. Plus in GT they had that whole, unclean air = no SSJ thing which would make Goku much worse.