2045 : The Year that man becomes immortal

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ThaChozenWun
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edited March 2011 in The Social Lounge
On Feb. 15, 1965, a diffident but self-possessed high school student named Raymond Kurzweil appeared as a guest on a game show called I've Got a Secret. He was introduced by the host, Steve Allen, then he played a short musical composition on a piano. The idea was that Kurzweil was hiding an unusual fact and the panelists — they included a comedian and a former Miss America — had to guess what it was.

On the show (see the clip on YouTube), the beauty queen did a good job of grilling Kurzweil, but the comedian got the win: the music was composed by a computer. Kurzweil got $200. (See TIME's photo-essay "Cyberdyne's Real Robot.")

Kurzweil then demonstrated the computer, which he built himself — a desk-size affair with loudly clacking relays, hooked up to a typewriter. The panelists were pretty blasé about it; they were more impressed by Kurzweil's age than by anything he'd actually done. They were ready to move on to Mrs. Chester Loney of Rough and Ready, Calif., whose secret was that she'd been President Lyndon Johnson's first-grade teacher.

But Kurzweil would spend much of the rest of his career working out what his demonstration meant. Creating a work of art is one of those activities we reserve for humans and humans only. It's an act of self-expression; you're not supposed to be able to do it if you don't have a self. To see creativity, the exclusive domain of humans, usurped by a computer built by a 17-year-old is to watch a line blur that cannot be unblurred, the line between organic intelligence and artificial intelligence.

That was Kurzweil's real secret, and back in 1965 nobody guessed it. Maybe not even him, not yet. But now, 46 years later, Kurzweil believes that we're approaching a moment when computers will become intelligent, and not just intelligent but more intelligent than humans. When that happens, humanity — our bodies, our minds, our civilization — will be completely and irreversibly transformed. He believes that this moment is not only inevitable but imminent. According to his calculations, the end of human civilization as we know it is about 35 years away. (See the best inventions of 2010.)

Computers are getting faster. Everybody knows that. Also, computers are getting faster faster — that is, the rate at which they're getting faster is increasing.

True? True.

So if computers are getting so much faster, so incredibly fast, there might conceivably come a moment when they are capable of something comparable to human intelligence. Artificial intelligence. All that horsepower could be put in the service of emulating whatever it is our brains are doing when they create consciousness — not just doing arithmetic very quickly or composing piano music but also driving cars, writing books, making ethical decisions, appreciating fancy paintings, making witty observations at cocktail parties.

If you can swallow that idea, and Kurzweil and a lot of other very smart people can, then all bets are off. From that point on, there's no reason to think computers would stop getting more powerful. They would keep on developing until they were far more intelligent than we are. Their rate of development would also continue to increase, because they would take over their own development from their slower-thinking human creators. Imagine a computer scientist that was itself a super-intelligent computer. It would work incredibly quickly. It could draw on huge amounts of data effortlessly. It wouldn't even take breaks to play Farmville.

Probably. It's impossible to predict the behavior of these smarter-than-human intelligences with which (with whom?) we might one day share the planet, because if you could, you'd be as smart as they would be. But there are a lot of theories about it. Maybe we'll merge with them to become super-intelligent cyborgs, using computers to extend our intellectual abilities the same way that cars and planes extend our physical abilities. Maybe the artificial intelligences will help us treat the effects of old age and prolong our life spans indefinitely. Maybe we'll scan our consciousnesses into computers and live inside them as software, forever, virtually. Maybe the computers will turn on humanity and annihilate us. The one thing all these theories have in common is the transformation of our species into something that is no longer recognizable as such to humanity circa 2011. This transformation has a name: the Singularity. (Comment on this story.)

The difficult thing to keep sight of when you're talking about the Singularity is that even though it sounds like science fiction, it isn't, no more than a weather forecast is science fiction. It's not a fringe idea; it's a serious hypothesis about the future of life on Earth. There's an intellectual gag reflex that kicks in anytime you try to swallow an idea that involves super-intelligent immortal cyborgs, but suppress it if you can, because while the Singularity appears to be, on the face of it, preposterous, it's an idea that rewards sober, careful evaluation.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2048138,00.html#ixzz1EjqoYKrT

Click here to read the rest it's pretty long : http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2048138-1,00.html
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  • ThaChozenWun
    ThaChozenWun Members Posts: 9,390
    edited February 2011
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    uolag wrote: »
    I'm already Immortal......better catch up son

    I'm not even human

    so it's been me >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you vampire ass ?
  • StoneColdMikey
    StoneColdMikey Members, Moderators Posts: 33,543 Regulator
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    damn im a normal ass mortal i lost :(
  • ThaChozenWun
    ThaChozenWun Members Posts: 9,390
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    skooby2315 wrote: »
    damn im a normal ass mortal i lost :(

    You have a chance to change that shortly
  • StoneColdMikey
    StoneColdMikey Members, Moderators Posts: 33,543 Regulator
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    You have a chance to change that shortly

    tru..............
  • elhuey
    elhuey Members Posts: 156
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    man, they cant even make a computer that doesnt bug out when you hit "cancel print job."
  • elhuey
    elhuey Members Posts: 156
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    back in the 60s people thought that by now we would have flying cars, underwater and space cities, jet packs, and ? . none of which came true.
  • ThaChozenWun
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    Well we do have jet packs. And we have the ability to make flying cars just no use for them. As for underwater cities we don't have actual cities, but there are underwater buildings, hotels, casinos, etc...
  • Jay Pee
    Jay Pee Members Posts: 761
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    Eventually most of these things will come true, but probably not for another 150 years. Technology has a lot of bugs and glitches and can be easily hack these computer software companies or whatever have to tighten up their security and fix the glitches ETC.
  • ThaChozenWun
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    Jay ? wrote: »
    Eventually most of these things will come true, but probably not for another 150 years. Technology has a lot of bugs and glitches and can be easily hack these computer software companies or whatever have to tighten up their security and fix the glitches ETC.

    I agree, I don't see it happening in 34 years. At some point during that time we're going to have to focus much of our research, time, and energy into solving the energy crisis around the world. We have to try and stop our greenhouse output we just have to or we won't be around long enough to see a bionic human. Our power grid is going downhill fast, the next couple years the sun will be the most active it's been for 15 years, our power grid is in extreme danger of going down during this time and our satellites, that alone will take 10 years to fix if it happens.
  • elhuey
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    Well we do have jet packs. And we have the ability to make flying cars just no use for them. As for underwater cities we don't have actual cities, but there are underwater buildings, hotels, casinos, etc...

    jet packs have existed since the 60s. what im saying is, people thought these things would be in common use like in the Jetsons. much of what was predicted 50 years ago did not come true, and much of came true was not predicted. no one saw twitter, facebook coming.
  • Swiffness!
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    I bought that Time. Interesting stuff.

    But if we're really inventing super-intelligent A.I like they're saying? Yeah, I'd worry about that.
  • ThaChozenWun
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    elhuey wrote: »
    jet packs have existed since the 60s. what im saying is, people thought these things would be in common use like in the Jetsons. much of what was predicted 50 years ago did not come true, and much of came true was not predicted. no one saw twitter, facebook coming.

    Well because no one had any remote idea of something called the internet coming into existence. The internet kind of slowed progress I believe, it made too many people lazy bums.
  • supersajinfo
    supersajinfo Members Posts: 461 ✭✭
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    i wouldnt mind being immortal. I just want to travel and destroy other worlds . NO JOKING EITHER Hernado Cortez style
  • gns
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    the borg................
  • TheCATthatdidntDIE
    TheCATthatdidntDIE Members Posts: 918
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    living forever sounds so tedious. life is only important because we die.
  • Ioniz3dSPIRITZ
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    Perhaps these AI's will develop a way to travel through intergalactic space faster than the speed of light. If that happens biological humans can be shipped to habitable planets, thus a solution to over population.
  • ThaChozenWun
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    Perhaps these AI's will develop a way to travel through intergalactic space faster than the speed of light. If that happens biological humans can be shipped to habitable planets, thus a solution to over population.

    Same thing I was thinking, human AI's may not have to worry about radiation, lack of oxygen, inertia, etc... that comes with space travel.
  • Ioniz3dSPIRITZ
    Ioniz3dSPIRITZ Members Posts: 3,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Same thing I was thinking, human AI's may not have to worry about radiation, lack of oxygen, inertia, etc... that comes with space travel.

    Thats true. If these super intelligent computers do out pace human intelligence than perhaps they can create a technology that will enable faster space travel. We as biological humans could use the technology to transport ourselves to habitable planets. I also think there is something to the recent findings of 500 million potentially habitable planets by Kepler. With the exponential growth of AI inhabiting other planets may not be that far fetched or far away.
  • ThaChozenWun
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    Thats true. If these super intelligent computers do out pace human intelligence than perhaps they can create a technology that will enable faster space travel. We as biological humans could use the technology to transport ourselves to habitable planets. I also think there is something to the recent findings of 500 million potentially habitable planets by Kepler. With the exponential growth of AI inhabiting other planets may not be that far fetched or far away.

    Well if we would be able to take a person, and turn them into some sort of AI, we wouldn't need to try and discover a quicker alternative. If a human is AI, they're immortal, just need the parts to change to keep them fresh and working. I believe the closest inhabitable planet right now would take 330 years to get to, now that's a long time, but if you're immortal, and can start up a large enough traveling space station it would be no problem to travel to another planet and start. It would help to be quicker and alot less boring lol, but it wouldn't be required. Plus I don't think it would be artificial brains ran off computer chips. It would be an later down the road artificial body with the human retaining their brain.
  • Ioniz3dSPIRITZ
    Ioniz3dSPIRITZ Members Posts: 3,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Well if we would be able to take a person, and turn them into some sort of AI, we wouldn't need to try and discover a quicker alternative. If a human is AI, they're immortal, just need the parts to change to keep them fresh and working. I believe the closest inhabitable planet right now would take 330 years to get to, now that's a long time, but if you're immortal, and can start up a large enough traveling space station it would be no problem to travel to another planet and start. It would help to be quicker and alot less boring lol, but it wouldn't be required. Plus I don't think it would be artificial brains ran off computer chips. It would be an later down the road artificial body with the human retaining their brain.

    The possibilities are endless. I do see what your saying and it was mentioned in the article. Taking our consciousness and implanting it into to a machine to make......well a cyborg. My only question then after would be--with our conciousness in the machine are we still ourselves?
  • ThaChozenWun
    ThaChozenWun Members Posts: 9,390
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    The possibilities are endless. I do see what your saying and it was mentioned in the article. Taking our consciousness and implanting it into to a machine to make......well a cyborg. My only question then after would be--with our conciousness in the machine are we still ourselves?

    Yea, you're still yourself only with a new body. At first it would probably confuse the hell out of someone going from flesh and water to metal and air and adjusting to the body and it's unlimited capabilities but eventually it would be like you were beforehand mentally.
  • kingblaze84
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    Well if we would be able to take a person, and turn them into some sort of AI, we wouldn't need to try and discover a quicker alternative. If a human is AI, they're immortal, just need the parts to change to keep them fresh and working. I believe the closest inhabitable planet right now would take 330 years to get to, now that's a long time, but if you're immortal, and can start up a large enough traveling space station it would be no problem to travel to another planet and start. It would help to be quicker and alot less boring lol, but it wouldn't be required. Plus I don't think it would be artificial brains ran off computer chips. It would be an later down the road artificial body with the human retaining their brain.

    Kind of like Mr. House in Fallout: New Vegas. I can definitely see that happening. Hopefully computers wouldn't be AS powerful as Mr. House was, but I will never doubt the possibilities of human technology. No one saw us recording sound or images 1,000 years ago, I can only imagine what another 1,000 years will bring us. Not including non-stop energy wars.
  • ThaChozenWun
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    Kind of like Mr. House in Fallout: New Vegas. I can definitely see that happening. Hopefully computers wouldn't be AS powerful as Mr. House was, but I will never doubt the possibilities of human technology. No one saw us recording sound or images 1,000 years ago, I can only imagine what another 1,000 years will bring us. Not including non-stop energy wars.

    I'm talking like taking for instance a humans legs, and turning them into machines that they can control and so on for the rest of the body. The humans mind remains unaffected it's just basically a new case being build over it. Mr. House was virtually dead, he was stuck in a tube for 2000 years and only lived through a computer program, he was unable to still move about freely in the real world.
  • melanated khemist
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    the mind is immortal, everything else is a gross manifestation of the mind.
  • janklow
    janklow Members, Moderators Posts: 8,613 Regulator
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    Kind of like Mr. House in Fallout: New Vegas-
    someone needs to get that game away from him because he's absolutely obsessed

    ps. i have a theory that if energy wars were "non-stop" it would actually promote some additional solutions before then