Dr. Dre the GOAT? Negative.
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not sure what hip hop message boards, bloggers, you refering to,
but The Main Ingredient and Moment of Truth are considered timeless classics
to knowledgable hip hop who don't look to Rollingstone or MTV on what's dope
there is no ands,ifs, or buts, about this
the only reason they not mention in most mainstream media you rely on is becauase they weren't big commerical successes
and its also highly acknowledged Premo his more classic fully produced albums than Dre. Only RZA seeing him in that regard.
Neither of those albums are held to the same regard as The Chronic or even ? not even on message boards. It's like saying The Sun Rises In The East is as regarded as Illmatic. When people refer to classics that Premo and Pete Rock produced it's mainly in reference to the singles (namely "T.R.O.Y." for Pete Rock) and Premo is more revered for his contributions to Illmatic, Ready To Die, Living Proof and Reasonable Doubt than he is for his work w/ Gangstarr outside of "Mass Appeal."
Moment of Truth is a great album, but it's not as respected as Chronic by Hip Hop heads whether on message boards, blogs or mainstream media. -
T/S knows ? all about what he's talking about because he's probably listened to everything through computer speakers downloaded off the internet, and while completely sober.
mufucker how about go blaze up to that ? like you're supposed to and through a nice subwoofer and then get back to us. -
tompetrez3 wrote: »dr. dre resume is too spotty for him to be considered one of the goats
pre ruthless days-dj aladdin and dj yella helped him with production with the world class wreckin cru.
ruthless days-dj yella produced a large amount of soc, 100mar, n4l but dre took all the credit. eazy once said that even jerry heller was making beats along side dre. also above the law gave dre the influence on making the chronic because he started biting the gangsta funk from above the law in 1990-1991
death row days- its no secret that daz produced 60% of the chronic. dre owes him a boatload of money and they havent spoken since. dre put filler in the chronic and made it seem like he was the mastermind behind it. even warren g did some ghostproducing on the chronic. solar records inhouse band members are the ones who taught dr dre the fine mechanisms of engineering, mastering and melody making. kurupt, doc and snoop wrote the album. all dre did on the chronic was tinker with a few knobs and a snare here and there and recite his ghost written raps. smh. daz produced a large amount of ? and atr sdtk also. dont forget dj quik was also a in house producer on death row too hmmmmmmmm
aftermath days-scott storch, melman and hittman are the reason why chronic 2001 was even credible. they made all the beats on the album. not dre. the bass brothers and mike elizondo formed the sound scope of eminems first 3 albums. and eminem took over the boards on his 4th. just blaze and stat quo was ghostproducing all of those preview detox tracks that came out last decade.
^^^ that is y ? azz dre got slap'd rite n front of his wife @ da vibe awardz rite b4 he got his LIFETIMEACHIEVEMENT AWARD wit suge n da buildin..
^listen 2 how 2pac xposez alize fa his ? wayz takin 3yrz 2 du 1 song cuz ? azz dre is 2 bizzy suckin ? & eatin ? @ home...& fuuuk DRE 4eva fa puttin on a racist redneck like marshall on 2 use & abuse black musik fa his own benefit like elvis 2pac would cut drez head off fa that uncletom ? ! -
sickbizzle wrote: »T/S knows ? all about what he's talking about because he's probably listened to everything through computer speakers downloaded off the internet, and while completely sober.
mufucker how about go blaze up to that ? like you're supposed to and through a nice subwoofer and then get back to us.
Bose ipod sound dock actually
but post up some tracks in the last 12 years that are so mindblowing worth repeated listening to tho
2001? nah, cause it's a pretty acceptable fact Scott Scotch,Mel Man and Hitman produced that and Dre mixed and mastered it.
So go with Em,Game,50,....his work with Jay? maybe NaS or even Xzibit or Busta?
I have them all nothing. Some bangers.....but majority of them? OK.
You know ? aint going crazy over that ? like that
That's why EVERY album Dre has beats on with producers ....he NEVER has the best production....Never
He always getting out shined. ......even on his own artist CDs.
Like I said and dude proved by bringing it up here ....he living off The Chronic and Snoop 1st.
No one giving him props on any production past 94....
It's shame, thats his only claim to fame , living off the past, and his A&R skills.
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Bose ipod sound dock actually
but post up some tracks in the last 12 years that are so mindblowing worth repeated listening to tho
2001? nah, cause it's a pretty acceptable fact Scott Scotch,Mel Man and Hitman produced that and Dre mixed and mastered it.
So go with Em,Game,50,....his work with Jay? maybe NaS or even Xzibit or Busta?
I have them all nothing. Some bangers.....but majority of them? OK.
You know ? aint going crazy over that ? like that
That's why EVERY album Dre has beats on with producers ....he NEVER has the best production....Never
He always getting out shined. ......even on his own artist CDs.
Like I said and dude proved by bringing it up here ....he living off The Chronic and Snoop 1st.
No one giving him props on any production past 94....
It's shame, thats his only claim to fame , living off the past, and his A&R skills.
("Artists and Repertoire" basicaly talent scouting and overseeing the artistic development of artists)
you have a source for the bolded? because i don't accept this as a commonly known fact. i doubt there was a single track that Dre didn't have his hand on the production.
and instead of posting up a bunch of tracks just listen to the beats on Relapse.. with the exception of one they are all Dre beats from start to finish. alot of those beats were just far and away of a higher quality and superior sound then most anything out there. 3AM is a good example. -
Dr dre is the most overated producer ever. He is not bad, but hit or miss. So many better. Dj premier, pete rock, rza
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sickbizzle wrote: »you have a source for the bolded? because i don't accept this as a commonly known fact. i doubt there was a single track that Dre didn't have his hand on the production.
and instead of posting up a bunch of tracks just listen to the beats on Relapse.. with the exception of one they are all Dre beats from start to finish. alot of those beats were just far and away of a higher quality and superior sound then most anything out there. 3AM is a good example.
this a "good example"?
This what making Dre the great pass 94? ok what's speical about this again
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and the contrast....
Matter of fact Premo and Royce tracks together >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any track Dre & Em every did -
His Post 2001 Stuff Is Very Formulaic One That He Still Uses To This Day......But All His ? Before That Was Classic Material..Theres No Denying All Groundbreaking ? He Did With NWA, Snoop, His Solo ? , DOC, Etc...Dude Is Mos Def A GOAT Contender
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Ice Cube, Eazy-E, DOC, Snoop Dogg, Eminem, 50-Cent, Game. Nuff Said.
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NAWLEDGE_REIGNS wrote: »His Post 2001 Stuff Is Very Formulaic One That He Still Uses To This Day......But All His ? Before That Was Classic Material..Theres No Denying All Groundbreaking ? He Did With NWA, Snoop, His Solo ? , DOC, Etc...Dude Is Mos Def A GOAT Contender
thats' true............ if he would have stop there....back in 94.
But how the hell can people just ignore everything after that period?
He still very active today producing even more tracks for more artist
but NONE of that counts because of what he did 20 years ago???????
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G-Funk was a great hip hop sound....even if it played out fast...but it's not the pinnincale of what hip hop should sound like.
And consistency is the corner stone of greatness...not what you can do once or twice -
thats' true............ if he would have stop there....back in 94.
But how the hell can people just ignore everything after that period?
He still very active today producing even more tracks for more artist
but NONE of that counts because of what he did 20 years ago???????
Wow
If Dre had quit in '94 and not done anymore production aftwerwards, Hip Hop production wouldn't be the same. Kanye West's drums wouldn't be the same b/c him biting the drums from "Xxplosive" gave rise to what became "This Can't Be Life", "Never Change", "Izzo" and "Guess Who's Back." Timbaland even cited 2001 as an influence. Producers like Scott Storch, Focus, Hi Tek, and others have been directly influenced by the work that Dre has done post '01. Dre's greatness doesn't end w/ the stuff he did 20 years ago.
50's "In Da Club" is probably the last Dre production that really made an impact on Hip Hop, but there's not many productions if any that had that kind of impact from a street level and mainstream level. Producers and artists alike made their own versions of the song and beat. -
smh. You act like his Post 2000 material is garbage. What producer do you know thats been in the game for 20+ years still putting out quality material? No producer EVER constantly put out classic material there whole career.
"cause it's a pretty acceptable fact Scott Scotch,Mel Man and Hitman produced that and Dre mixed and mastered it."
Thats complete ? . If you dont think so prove me wrong. The songs that Scott Storch and Mel Man did they were credited for whether it was by themselves or co-produced. And the same argument I bring up every time this topic comes up, If they did those songs you think they did how come there irrelevant now? I would think If they could come out wit bangers like before they should be able to last a pretty long time in this game. -
georgia boi wrote: »If Dre had quit in '94 and not done anymore production aftwerwards, Hip Hop production wouldn't be the same. Kanye West's drums wouldn't be the same b/c him biting the drums from "Xxplosive" gave rise to what became "This Can't Be Life", "Never Change", "Izzo" and "Guess Who's Back." Timbaland even cited 2001 as an influence. Producers like Scott Storch, Focus, Hi Tek, and others have been directly influenced by the work that Dre has done post '01. Dre's greatness doesn't end w/ the stuff he did 20 years ago.
50's "In Da Club" is probably the last Dre production that really made an impact on Hip Hop, but there's not many productions if any that had that kind of impact from a street level and mainstream level. Producers and artists alike made their own versions of the song and beat.
Post up some of these "classic" tracks that you feel solidifies his GOAT status in the last 10 years
EX. tracks he produced for Eminem, 50-Cent, Game, Jay, NaS etc -
If you think a producer is someone who churns out a beat, gives it to a rapper to rap over, and calls it a day, then that would explain why you would agree with the threadstarter. But the fact is that the role of a producer goes far beyond just making a beat or making the artist "sound good." The producer is there to collaborate with the artist to create a vision for a song, from the concept, to the lyrics, to the hook, to the beat. That's why an album like "The Documentary" sounds like a complete album with a direction, as opposed to "The Doctor's Advocate" which sounds like a bunch of freestyles over some random hot beats.
You might also not understand what a producer brings to the table if you don't know anything about how a beat is made or a song is produced. If you listen to a lot of other big name producers, they will tell you how Dre's style influenced them and how they have a lot of respect for him because they understand what is involved in the craft.
Dr. Dre produces songs, he doesn't "make beats", so to judge him on how a couple of beats of his sound is seriously shortchanging him and being narrow minded about where his true talent lies. -
Also, if you want to hear two Dre beats that actually do sound the same, check out these:
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choppa_style wrote: »If you think a producer is someone who churns out a beat, gives it to a rapper to rap over, and calls it a day, then that would explain why you would agree with the threadstarter. But the fact is that the role of a producer goes far beyond just making a beat or making the artist "sound good." The producer is there to collaborate with the artist to create a vision for a song, from the concept, to the lyrics, to the hook, to the beat. That's why an album like "The Documentary" sounds like a complete album with a direction, as opposed to "The Doctor's Advocate" which sounds like a bunch of freestyles over some random hot beats.
You might also not understand what a producer brings to the table if you don't know anything about how a beat is made or a song is produced. If you listen to a lot of other big name producers, they will tell you how Dre's style influenced them and how they have a lot of respect for him because they understand what is involved in the craft.
Dr. Dre produces songs, he doesn't "make beats", so to judge him on how a couple of beats of his sound is seriously shortchanging him and being narrow minded about where his true talent lies.
I think a producer should make production where the artist flows naturally and conformable over.
Period
all that extra cop out ? y'all talkin...I don't even pay know mind to.....cuz it means nothing
regardless of how or what was use to make the track....the only thing that matter is end results...this is a fact
And one too too many tracks where Dre has produced have been average to straight up mediocrity for anyone to seriously think he's the GOAT
And the fact Dre damn near always gets out-shined on any album that features other producers proudction should sink this ? in to you guys -
Post up some of these "classic" tracks that you feel solidifies his GOAT status in the last 10 years
EX. tracks he produced for Eminem, 50-Cent, Game, Jay, NaS etc
"In Da Club" is a classic beat that he came out with in the past 10 years that's a classic, but one track isn't enough to solidify anyone for GOAT status. That's why people bring up his whole career. The music that he's produced over the course of his career has been legendary. Most recently, he dropped a banger for Raekwon w/ "Catalina" which was considered a standout on an album that featured other elite producers such as RZA, Pete Rock, Eric Sermon, and some others. -
georgia boi wrote: »"In Da Club" is a classic beat that he came out with in the past 10 years that's a classic, but one track isn't enough to solidify anyone for GOAT status. That's why people bring up his whole career. The music that he's produced over the course of his career has been legendary. Most recently, he dropped a banger for Raekwon w/ "Catalina" which was considered a standout on an album that featured other elite producers such as RZA, Pete Rock, Eric Sermon, and some others.
lol
most messegeboards,blogs, and other media reviews it's a general consensus that Dre had the weakest production on that album, and some even said it took away from the conuitiy of the project. It didn't fitted in.
? The Alchemist eat him alive on OBFCL 2. Before that Dilla out shined him on Busta's "The Big Bang"...Kanye out shined him on "Hip Hop is Dead", Premo out shined him on Devin "Just trying To Live" with Dooby Astray,..... Tim, Just Blaze,DJ Quik, The Neptunes....the list goes on....hell even Em out shined him
All these producers have out did Dre on the production tip on albums .
And you guy arguing he the GOAT because one period in hip hop? G-Funk? Really? exactly how long that lasted anyway before it play out? -
and on another note
why is it that you STILL hear all these new up & coming producers like Statik Selektah, Marco Polo, Emile, MoSS, and even vets The Alchmiest, Necro , and hell even Kanye & Lil Fame to name a few
doing their best DJ Premier interruption til this day?
If Dr Dre 's G-Funk is the be all end all of how hip hop should sound -
georgia boi wrote: »Dr. Dre isn't even my favorite producer, but he's up there. I've never seen anyone prove that he isn't the GOAT w/o discrediting their own favorite producer in the process. He's fully produced classic albums solo (Daz programming a drum isn't the same as him producing a song). Chronic and ? are universal classic albums. RZA is the only Hip Hop producer that comes close to Dre in that respect. DJ Premier, Pete Rock and the like can't say that they have albums that are as respected or acclaimed as the albums that Dre and RZA have produced.
If we're talking producer in general, it's laughable to compare any Hip Hop producer to Dre that isn't Timbo, The Neptunes, Rick Rubin and maybe Kanye.
But its also laughable to not think j. dilla could compare, and easily suprass, dre and mention that timbo, kanye, and the neptunes could -
1st off, Dre has like half a dozen MASTERPIECES under his belt. The NWA albums, No One Can Do it Better, The Chronic & 2001. The only other dudes with that kind of resume are RZA and Primo.
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The_Maryvale_Joker wrote: »I dont think Dre is overrated, dude is a legend. I dont think he the GOAT either. But not too many producers are better than Dre. Only two i can think of. DJ Quik and Premier. Buts thats just my humble opinion.
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But its also laughable to not think j. dilla could compare, and easily suprass, dre and mention that timbo, kanye, and the neptunes could
thats notjust laughable thats insulting in my book
and again shows a totally lack of hip hop knowledge and understanding
for any so-called hip hop lover not to acknowledge Dilla contribution not just to hip hop
but music in general. And from a production stand point Dilla has ran circles around alot of Dre best ? in his career
Dilla ? was layer and far complex than damn near anything Dre did with his countless co-producers and session players in the studioSwiffness! wrote: »1st off, Dre has like half a dozen MASTERPIECES under his belt. The NWA albums, No One Can Do it Better, The Chronic & 2001. The only other dudes with that kind of resume are RZA and Primo.
Marley Marl has just as more classic albums and tracks....someone who should be always mention is one of the GOATs.
I think folks just on remote control saying Dre has all these "masterpieces" . The only NWA album that was probably "flawless" was ZAGGIN4LIF.
The rest had classic tracks.....not the entire albums .....cuz alot ? was hit or miss. I don't care how much i sold
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