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  • Bodhi
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  • whar
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  • bambu
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    You're a human being just like I am.


    Proof......

    LOL.. I'm not from New York nor have I ever lived there.

    False Flagging at its finest.....
    bambu wrote: »
    In both examples there is only one species........

    From the wikipedia link you provided:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drosophila
    Wikipedia wrote: »
    Drosophila is a genus of small flies, belonging to the family Drosophilidae, whose members are often called "fruit flies" or (less frequently) pomace flies, vinegar flies, or wine flies, a reference to the characteristic of many species to linger around overripe or rotting fruit.


    The genus Drosophila is made up of several different species, mojavensis and arizonae being two of them
    Wikipedia wrote: »
    One species of Drosophila in particular, D. melanogaster, has been heavily used in research in genetics and is a common model organism in developmental biology.


    lol.. moving on..

    Again ? ?

    In biological nomenclature, a type species is the species to which the name of a genus is permanently linked; it is the species that contains the biological type specimen(s) of the taxon.
    Intelligent Design theory makes no attempt to analyze the character of the Designer from the data of the Designer's performance. It is merely concerned with accumulating examples suggesting that there is a Designer, and that Darwinism can be rejected --- and there the theory of Intelligent Design stops.

    That's pretty much all that is necessary..... You want me to offer you salvation too????

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  • Bodhi
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    bambu wrote: »


    False Flagging at its finest.....

    Nah, just you making baseless assumptions, falling on your ass and looking like an idiot at its finest. Congratulations.
    bambu wrote: »
    In biological nomenclature, a type species is the species to which the name of a genus is permanently linked; it is the species that contains the biological type specimen(s) of the taxon.

    The genus is Drosophila which both the species Arizonae and Mojavensis both belong to. You offered the link and now you want to debate it? Scramble to cover your tracks @bambu.. I'm laughing at you, not with you. Wasn't it you who said that Drosophila were all of the same species? Look, you ethered yourself with your own link. Again ? , I'm lauging AT you. Haha
    bambu wrote: »
    That's pretty much all that is necessary..... You want me to offer you salvation too????

    I.D. does not offer any true salvation so I guess that was a trick question. Would you like to solve the problems given to save your b.s. design theory?



  • bambu
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    Drosophila is a type species ? .....

    Ol let me front like I'm NYC, but I'm really from Brooklyn Alabama......Head ass ? ......

    "In the common fruit fly, Drosophila, environmentally
    mediated perturbations of the Hsp90 gene can cause the
    simultaneous deregulation of a number or genes. This, in
    turn, causes these flies to display a variety of developmental
    abnormalities, such as deformed or absent eyes, notched
    wings, duplicated bristles, etc.6 Such malformations hardly
    inspire confidence in this mechanism as a cause of alleged
    evolutionary change."

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  • Bodhi
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    Drosophila is the genus. Refer to the wiki link you posted and the follow up I hit you with a few posts ago for confirmation on that. There are many species of Drosophila, Arizonae and Mojavensis being two of them.

    You say that NY has no relevancy to diss me, then claim that I'm frontin to earn respect by calling myself brooklyn. Why would I do that if NY is not relevant? See how your childish attitude makes you look even more like the idiot? Maybe you should quit now. Brooklyn, btw, is the name of the street where I was raised.

    Observe how you love to address everything but the topic to avoid the ether I'm throwing at you.
  • Bodhi
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    Would you like for me to post them again for you ? boy?
  • bambu
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    1) Drosophila is the genus. Refer to the wiki link you posted and the follow up I hit you with a few posts ago for confirmation on that. There are many species of Drosophila, Arizonae and Mojavensis being two of them.

    2) You say that NY has no relevancy to diss me, then claim that I'm frontin to earn respect by calling myself brooklyn. Why would I do that if NY is not relevant? See how your childish attitude makes you look even more like the idiot? Maybe you should quit now. Brooklyn, btw, is the name of the street where I was raised.

    3) Observe how you love to address everything but the topic to avoid the ether I'm throwing at you.

    1) You cant even absorb the materials in front of your face.....

    2) ? where you from......

    3) You missed the genetic information that makes your entire theory ass.......

    Ol let me front like I'm NYC, but I'm really from Brooklyn Alabama......Head ass ? ......

    "In the common fruit fly, Drosophila, environmentally
    mediated perturbations of the Hsp90 gene can cause the
    simultaneous deregulation of a number or genes. This, in
    turn, causes these flies to display a variety of developmental
    abnormalities, such as deformed or absent eyes, notched
    wings, duplicated bristles, etc. Such malformations hardly
    inspire confidence in this mechanism as a cause of alleged
    evolutionary change."

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  • bambu
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    The bacterial flagellum. In an attempt to side-step irreducibly complexity, evolutionists hypothesize that the components of irreducibly complex systems all had other functions before being co-opted for use.....

    These prior functions are largely speculative. As an ever increasing number of irreducibly complex systems are discovered, and more and more components in each system, the number of ‘functions’ (and thereby stories) needing to be found is ever increasing....

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  • bambu
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    I don't play around nor do I ? around.....

    And you can tell by the bodies that are left around.....

    When some clown jump up to get beat-down......

    Broken down to its very last compound......

    See how it sound, a little unrational......

    A lot of suckers like to use the word dramatical....

    http://youtu.be/zzU7jJBMElM


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  • bambu
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    whar wrote: »
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    FIXED.....
  • Bodhi
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    bambu wrote: »
    Kingdom: Animalia
    Phylum: Arthropoda
    Class: Insecta
    Order: Diptera
    Family: Drosophilidae
    Tribe: Drosophilini
    Subtribe: Drosophilina
    Infratribe: Drosophiliti
    Genus: Drosophila

    ^^ I'll finish that up for you.

    Species:

    From the wikipedia link you provided: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drosophila
    Wikipedia wrote: »
    Drosophila is a genus of small flies, belonging to the family Drosophilidae, whose members are often called "fruit flies" or (less frequently) pomace flies, vinegar flies, or wine flies, a reference to the characteristic of many species to linger around overripe or rotting fruit.
    Wikipedia wrote: »
    One species of Drosophila in particular, D. melanogaster, has been heavily used in research in genetics and is a common model organism in developmental biology.



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    Panthera (genus) is to lion a.k.a. panthera leo (species) and tiger a.k.a. panthera tigris (species) as Drosophila (genus) is to mojavensis (species) and arizonae (species)

  • Bodhi
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  • Bodhi
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  • bambu
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    Where is your "new species"?????

    More recent work on the irreducibly complexity found in bacterial flagellum

    http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/the-bacterial-flagellum-truly-an-engineering-marvel/
  • Bodhi
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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3790531.stm
    BBC NEWS wrote: »
    the insects are in the early stages of diverging into separate species.

    The emergence of a new species - speciation - occurs when distinct populations of a species stop reproducing with one another.

    When the two groups can no longer interbreed, they cease exchanging genes and eventually go their own evolutionary ways becoming separate species.

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ece3.93/abstract

  • whar
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    Bambu would you please stop ? up something as simple as genus and species. It is one thing to argue interpretation of evidence but to get simple facts and definitions wrong is embarrassing. I get you made a mistake and that is fine but you should have the basic intellectual honesty to admit it and get back to defending your actual point rather double down on this simple mistake.
  • Bodhi
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    whar wrote: »
    Bambu would you please stop ? up something as simple as genus and species. It is one thing to argue interpretation of evidence but to get simple facts and definitions wrong is embarrassing. I get you made a mistake and that is fine but you should have the basic intellectual honesty to admit it and get back to defending your actual point rather double down on this simple mistake.


    He's a lame whose addiction to i.d. theory wont allow him to man up and admit he's wrong
    bambu wrote: »

    mojavensis: species: Drosophila

    arizonae: species: Drosophila

    Wikipedia wrote: »
    Drosophila is a genus of small flies


    LOL!!
  • Bodhi
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    I'm out this ? I'll pick up in the AM
  • bambu
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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3790531.stm
    BBC NEWS wrote: »
    the insects are in the early stages of diverging into separate species.

    The emergence of a new species - speciation - occurs when distinct populations of a species stop reproducing with one another.

    When the two groups can no longer interbreed, they cease exchanging genes and eventually go their own evolutionary ways becoming separate species.

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ece3.93/abstract

    LOL.....

    You said they were already seperate species tho'
    There are many species of Drosophila, Arizonae and Mojavensis being two of them.

    Where is your new species ? ......
    These results are interpreted and discussed in the context of selection on mate recognition systems and the potential for failed copulation.

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  • bambu
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    @Whar.....

    Double down on this.....
    bambu wrote: »
    bambu wrote: »
    Drosophila is a type species ? .....

    Ol let me front like I'm NYC, but I'm really from Brooklyn Alabama......Head ass ? ......

    "In the common fruit fly, Drosophila, environmentally
    mediated perturbations of the Hsp90 gene can cause the
    simultaneous deregulation of a number or genes. This, in
    turn, causes these flies to display a variety of developmental
    abnormalities, such as deformed or absent eyes, notched
    wings, duplicated bristles, etc.6 Such malformations hardly
    inspire confidence in this mechanism as a cause of alleged
    evolutionary change."

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  • bambu
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    whar wrote: »
    Bambu would you please stop ? up something as simple as genus and species. It is one thing to argue interpretation of evidence but to get simple facts and definitions wrong is embarrassing. I get you made a mistake and that is fine but you should have the basic intellectual honesty to admit it and get back to defending your actual point rather double down on this simple mistake.


    He's a lame whose addiction to i.d. theory wont allow him to man up and admit he's wrong
    bambu wrote: »

    mojavensis: species: Drosophila

    arizonae: species: Drosophila

    Wikipedia wrote: »
    Drosophila is a genus of small flies


    LOL!!

    @Whar...

    For the 10th time......

    In biological nomenclature, a type species is the species to which the name of a genus is permanently linked....

    Drosophila mojavensis: genus: Drosophila species: Drosophila mojavensis

    Drosophila arizonae: genus: Drosophila species: Drosophila arizonae

    "The type species permanently attaches a genus to its formal name (its generic name) by providing just one species within that genus to which the genus is permanently linked (i.e. the genus must include that species if it is to bear the name). The species name in turn is fixed, in theory, to a type specimen."

    "In zoological nomenclature, the type of a species (or subspecies) is a specimen (or series of specimens), the type of a genus (or subgenus) is a species, and the type of a suprageneric taxon (e.g., family, etc.) is a genus. Names higher than superfamily rank do not have types."

    LOL @ you herbs.....

  • bambu
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    I'm out this ? I'll pick up in the AM

    Bring your new species ? .....

    Watch y'all ? run from the genetic evidence......

    And argue semantics instead......

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  • Bodhi
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    bambu wrote: »
    You said they were already seperate species tho'

    BBC NEWS wrote: »
    the insects are in the early stages of diverging into separate species.

    The emergence of a new species - speciation - occurs when distinct populations of a species stop reproducing with one another.

    When the two groups can no longer interbreed, they cease exchanging genes and eventually go their own evolutionary ways becoming separate species


    interbreeding
    present participle of in·ter·breed (Verb)Verb:
    1.(of an animal) Breed with another of a different species.

    BBC NEWS wrote: »
    In the wild, Drosophila mojavensis and Drosophila arizonae rarely, if ever, interbreed - even though their geographical ranges overlap.

    when Drosophila arizonae females mate with Drosphila mojavensis males, the resulting males are sterile.

    Laura Reed maintains that such limited capacity for interbreeding indicates that the two groups are on the verge of becoming completely separate species.

    Because the hybrid male's sterility depends on the mother's genes, the researchers say the genetic change must be recent.

    Test for speciation: sterile offspring and lack of interbreeding affinity
    http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/speciation.html



    bambu wrote: »
    "In the common fruit fly, Drosophila, environmentally
    mediated perturbations of the Hsp90 gene can cause the
    simultaneous deregulation of a number or genes. This, in
    turn, causes these flies to display a variety of developmental
    abnormalities, such as deformed or absent eyes, notched
    wings, duplicated bristles, etc. Such malformations hardly
    inspire confidence in this mechanism as a cause of alleged
    evolutionary change."

    We're talking about speciation, not deformed eyes, notched wings or duplicated bristles. There's a big difference:
    Test for speciation: sterile offspring and lack of interbreeding affinity
    http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/speciation.html

    A genetic change that is the cause of speciation is a genetic change that prevents one species from interbreeding with another and producing fertile offspring.
  • Bodhi
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    bambu wrote: »
    Kingdom: Animalia
    Phylum: Arthropoda
    Class: Insecta
    Order: Diptera
    Family: Drosophilidae
    Tribe: Drosophilini
    Subtribe: Drosophilina
    Infratribe: Drosophiliti
    Genus: Drosophila
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drosophila
    Wikipedia wrote: »
    Drosophila is a genus of small flies, belonging to the family Drosophilidae, whose members are often called "fruit flies" or (less frequently) pomace flies, vinegar flies, or wine flies, a reference to the characteristic of many species to linger around overripe or rotting fruit.


    ^^ I'll finish that up for you.

    Species:

    From the wikipedia link you provided:
    Wikipedia wrote: »
    One species of Drosophila in particular, D. melanogaster, has been heavily used in research in genetics and is a common model organism in developmental biology.



    pilot is to plane as conductor is to train
    Panthera (genus) is to lion a.k.a. panthera leo (species) and tiger a.k.a. panthera tigris (species) as Drosophila (genus) is to mojavensis (species) and arizonae (species)


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