Who's the better overall artist. Pac or Jay-Z?
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Churchboy2 wrote: »When he was alive NO ONE was talking about Pac being GOAT.
NO ONE!
He played into that thug image so much that "artist" was the last thing he was viewed as.
I don't buy the revisionist view of Pac.
Never have. Never will.
And no, I'm not a hater - I had some of his stuff on vinyl back in the day...
It was only when he died that cats started treating his lyrics as prophetic and deep.
I'll bet half the cats posting in this thread were still in diapers when Pac died.
True story.
That's true. Big up for bein' honest, duke. -
emceemurda wrote: »i dont value flow at all, but 2pac had to do what he had to do to get the average man to listen... how you gonna drop metaphors/similies/w.e to a person who just nods there head to the beat... you can't give a person a book who doesnt know how to read.... pac was trying reach those people..
by this logic gucci man and the rest of them ? tryna reach the ? then correct? -
to me the difference between pac and jay was
jay raps to impress, its about skills on the mic, make the crowd go wooooo, damn, same way big did...but if u strip away everything these ? aint saying nothing just a bunch of meaningless words...
whereas pac made soul music, he wasnt trying to get props for mic skills, he was trying to reach ? souls, make them think about life.....
e.g Jay be like "came from the bottom the bottom, to the top of the pots, ? London, Japan and I'm straight off the block, like a running back, get it man, i'm straight off the block, i can run it back ? cause I'm straight with the Roc"
and pac be like "I see mothers in black cryin, brothers in packs dyin, Plus everybody's high, too doped up to ask why, Watchin our own downfall, witness the end, It's like we don't believe in ? cause we livin in sin" -
^lol so? Nas does that too, and with sharper lyricism. Too bad nas's voice isn't as dynamic as pac's.
Rap is rhythm and poetry. Poetry by itself isn't rap. It's not backwards compatible, which is what the other guy (or was it you?) was trying to say. LOL @ accusing me of being a jay stan, and what does kanye have to do with this discussion at all? (even though that statement is correct).georgia boi wrote: »RAP is music that is Rhythm and Poetry. Music that involves lyrics is going to be poetic to some extent. Metaphors, similies, puns, allegories which are some common devices used in music are all literary devices that are present within poetry. You prove yourself to be too much of a Jay Z fan to provide an argument. One artist being alive and the other being dead has nothing to do w/ anything. The music still speaks for itself. Jay Z is an artist to an extent, but not because he collaborates w/ other artists from other genres. Truthfully speaking, Kanye West is a better overall artist than Jay Z.Although hustlers are people, when I refer to people, I mean people from all walks of life including hustlers. Drawing from one's life experience is an aspect of being a real artist, but it's not the end all be all of being an artist. Artists also pull from different aspects of life for inspiration even if it isn't their own. Even if it's fiction, somebody out there related to those fictional tales just like they would a fictional movie. Is James Cameron any less of a director than John Singleton as one writes and directs sci-fi movies and the other does real life?
That's not what I'm arguing at all...learn to read. I'm talking about style...if your style is based on experiences you have never experienced, you're fake as ? (yes this is post-94 pac im talking about). Please don't compare movie makers to musicians, that's whole different discussion on what it means to be an "artist." -
I say Pac!!!
Coming from a 25yr old Brooklyn native -
Tupac=Michael Jordan of rap.His fan base & legacy backs it up.
Jay-Z is good but that's about it! -
comparin pac & j is alwayz foolish thatz like comparin applez & orangez if tupac was still alive jay-z wouldnt even have a career.......
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Seriously what does Pac do better than Jay on the art of being a mc. Of course the Pac fans is gonna use that played out content excuse which is totally stupid, people relate to different ? for different reason. Pac was a marginally talented mc to me who left a great legacy behind. He is also a good songwriter and probably did the most with the least, same ? for DMX.
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tupac is not that gotdamn good
i guess lil wayne need to die to so people can site him as the greatest ever
? swear pac was this immoveable mountain
he was a mediocre rapper with limited talent on the mic
jigga has proved time and time again that he is one of the best
jigga and a bunch of other dudes>>>>>>>tupac -
thetruth391 wrote: »tupac is not that gotdamn good
i guess lil wayne need to die to so people can site him as the greatest ever
? swear pac was this immoveable mountain
he was a mediocre rapper with limited talent on the mic
jigga has proved time and time again that he is one of the best
jigga and a bunch of other dudes>>>>>>>tupac
just rememba if pac was still alive jigga would not have a career rite now......... -
just rememba if pac was still alive jigga would not have a career rite now.........
by that logic if KRS-1 never put down the mic pac wouldve been a ? ass ? -
Lol sure.thetruth391 wrote: »by that logic if KRS-1 never put down the mic pac wouldve been a ? ass ?
Pac being an Mc has nothing to do with Krs-One!!! -
thetruth391 wrote: »by that logic if KRS-1 never put down the mic pac wouldve been a ? ass ?
2pac wouldve destroy'd jay-z n 96 j would not b n da position hez n 2day if 2pac was still alivee factz is factz....lol -
I think Kane is better than Pac.
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Jay just isn't Pac.Jay has made 11 albums about hustling & coke raps.You can't compare him to Pac!!!
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just rememba if pac was still alive jigga would not have a career rite now.........
I love how you lames always attribute Jays success or lack of success to who isn't here and don't do it for other rappers (Nas,Dmx,Ja,Lil Wayne,Em,etc). Pac could of fell off and be just as irrelevant as Method Man is now, lets not forget that Pac wasn't a great business man, he died broke. -
2pac wouldve destroy'd jay-z n 96 j would not b n da position hez n 2day if 2pac was still alivee factz is factz....lol
Jay got the biggest stroke of luck in the history of Hip Hop.The two top dogs(Pac & Big) died within a year.Left the door open for his Camel ass! -
I love how you lames always attribute Jays success or lack of success to who isn't here and don't do it for other rappers (Nas,Dmx,Ja,Lil Wayne,Em,etc). Pac could of fell off and be just as irrelevant as Method Man is now, lets not forget that Pac wasn't a great business man, he died broke.
Preach. I think Hova would have still got the success like he has, now. -
I love how you lames always attribute Jays success or lack of success to who isn't here and don't do it for other rappers (Nas,Dmx,Ja,Lil Wayne,Em,etc). Pac could of fell off and be just as irrelevant as Method Man is now, lets not forget that Pac wasn't a great business man, he died broke.
exactly. these ? swear he jumped on the throne cuz they died. y didn't nas? or DMX? or lil cease lol
cz they werent good enough 2 -
I love how you lames always attribute Jays success or lack of success to who isn't here and don't do it for other rappers (Nas,Dmx,Ja,Lil Wayne,Em,etc). Pac could of fell off and be just as irrelevant as Method Man is now, lets not forget that Pac wasn't a great business man, he died broke.
Stop talking ? .He was owed £17 million dollars in royalties off of All Eyes On Me & he would've got it.He was about to leave Death Row.He died before he could get it,end of! -
I love how you lames always attribute Jays success or lack of success to who isn't here and don't do it for other rappers (Nas,Dmx,Ja,Lil Wayne,Em,etc). Pac could of fell off and be just as irrelevant as Method Man is now, lets not forget that Pac wasn't a great business man, he died broke.
i understand u luv j but factz is factz tupac was about 2 run j outta rap n 96 therr is no way jay-z couldve stop'd pac from shittin on him n 96,,,jigga betta b thankin gaawd everyday that tupac is dead.....KingNative wrote: »Jay got the biggest stroke of luck in the history of Hip Hop.The two top dogs(Pac & Big) died within a year.Left the door open for his Camel ass!
tru story.... -
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Stop talking ? .He was owed £17 million dollars in royalties off of All Eyes On Me & he would've got it.He was about to leave Death Row.He died before he could get it,end of!
He didn't have the intell enough to see Suge was ripping him off, Pac remind me of one of those jail ? who try to kick knowledge and act smart, but wasn't smart enough not to get locked up. -
He didn't have the intell enough to see Suge was ripping him off, Pac remind me of one of those jail ? who try to kick knowledge and act smart, but wasn't smart enough not to get locked up.
tupac knew he was gonna get ? once suge got him outta jail & pac got lock'd up ova a LIE..... -
tupac knew he was gonna get ? once suge got him outta jail & pac got lock'd up ova a LIE.....
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Jay-Z's content is totally underrated. They always think he's talkin' about money, cars, hoes. Just because he doesn't do that revolutionary ? doesn't mean his content is limited.
