this week on Prophecy Chat: something about North Korea, Babylon and JESUS
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If North Korea attacked China it would litterally be the most beneficial thing that could happen to America. China owns most of our debt, if NK attacked, we save their ? , get all or most of the debt erased and we look like heroes. Explain again how this would be bad the for the US.
I won't happen like that. America wouldn't be able to function without China making all our ? , thus rendering us useless.
china mostly makes a bunch of cheap ass walmart ? that we don't really need can do without or can make ourselves.
China also makes alotta the parts in your Computer, Cell Phone, TV, Watch, Sneakers, Jeans, Oven, Toothbrushes, Deoderant, Washing powder, and Car stereo. can you make those thing too?
you are not giving america enough credit....they are made there to keep costs down.
And how does that help us? It doesn't. America can't even afford a labor force right now but we can affrod cheaper labor from Communist China????
are you even serious with your response?
cant afford a work force but can afford cheap labor.....say that to yourself while recording it.
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@zombie if you think the spiritual is not being played out in the physical as we speak, you are truly lost and have no understanding of the Holy Bible and it's prophecies.
You cannot fight all battles in the physical the destruction of america will do nothing to stop the devil, Both you and 100prime have the simple understanding of revelation. no understanding of economics no understanding of politics and no understanding of history. -
@pralims
Yeah you want to outsource our labor force for just for some Jordans and acheaper flatscreen TV?
This is the attitude of a slacker that don't wanna do for self.
American companies could make those same flatscreens and Jordans, even better. This is why the economy is ? up. people like you. -
@zombie said "You cannot fight all battles in the physical the destruction of america will do nothing to stop the devil, Both you and 100prime have the simple understanding of revelation. no understanding of economics no understanding of politics and no understanding of history. "
Sorry pal, but you are confused and borderline idiotic on understanding history. EVERYTHING in history has played out in the physical, where have you been? do think ? was a fictional character? NO. Tyrannical governments and mass killings of citizens have sprung up in the past and Obama's is no diffferent!! But you can stay in Zombieland, your name fits you.
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@zombie said "You cannot fight all battles in the physical the destruction of america will do nothing to stop the devil, Both you and 100prime have the simple understanding of revelation. no understanding of economics no understanding of politics and no understanding of history. "
Sorry pal, but you are confused and borderline idiotic on understanding history. EVERYTHING in history has played out in the physical, where have you been? do think ? was a fictional character? NO. Tyrannical governments and mass killings of citizens have sprung up in the past and Obama's is no diffferent!! But you can stay in Zombieland, your name fits you.
Not in Gods eyes in gods eyes physical fights are not just physical but of the spirit. Mystery (secret) babylon is unseen that means that it is more of a spiritual fight than a physical one. Why are you bringing up obama? if you really knew history you would understand that he is far from being a tyrant. -
@zombie wrote "Not in Gods eyes in gods eyes physical fights are not just physical but of the spirit. Mystery (secret) babylon is unseen that means that it is more of a spiritual fight than a physical one. Why are you bringing up obama? if you really knew history you would understand that he is far from being a tyrant"
? has ALWAYS worked THROUGH mankind. ALWAYS.
You need to study up more on Obama. He's not who you think he is.
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@zombie wrote "Not in Gods eyes in gods eyes physical fights are not just physical but of the spirit. Mystery (secret) babylon is unseen that means that it is more of a spiritual fight than a physical one. Why are you bringing up obama? if you really knew history you would understand that he is far from being a tyrant"
? has ALWAYS worked THROUGH mankind. ALWAYS.
You need to study up more on Obama. He's not who you think he is.
I know he's not a tyrant That's for sure.
Who else is ? going to work through ? of course ? works through man i'm not saying that he does not. but the physical fight is the secondary fight it's not the real fight the real war is one of the spirit, why don't you think. -
@zombie wrote "I know he's not a tyrant That's for sure.
Who else is ? going to work through ? of course ? works through man i'm not saying that he does not. but the physical fight is the secondary fight it's not the real fight the real war is one of the spirit, why don't you think.
He operates exactly like a Tyrant does - Secretive, Forceful in his agenda, Spiteful, Arrogant, Boastful, Unaccountable and Non- Transparent.
You just claimed that the Spiritual and Physical are not conncected, now you are claiming they are? which one is it?
Spritual fight = Physical fight.
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1. SMH at taking the Bible litterally especially the New Testament.
2. SMH at being worried about what N. Korea.
3. We got real problems to deal with without making up these "what if" scenarios of a country attacking another country that it is totally dependant on for its survival. I know you guys remember what happened to Tony Montana when he went against Sosa. That is exactly what would happen to NK if they sent a Nuke to China. -
@zombie wrote "I know he's not a tyrant That's for sure.
Who else is ? going to work through ? of course ? works through man i'm not saying that he does not. but the physical fight is the secondary fight it's not the real fight the real war is one of the spirit, why don't you think.
He operates exactly like a Tyrant does - Secretive, Forceful in his agenda, Spiteful, Arrogant, Boastful, Unaccountable and Non- Transparent.
You just claimed that the Spiritual and Physical are not conncected, now you are claiming they are? which one is it?
Spritual fight = Physical fight.
All those things listed don't make you a tyrant, a tyrant rules unrestricted in an open manner and kills all who oppose him.
I never claimed they are not connected just that they are two different but co related things.
ephesians 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
In our reading or REV You placed more focus on babylon as a physical setting. i place more focus on it as spiritual force because i read it within the context that it's in.
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@zombie Barack Obama is definitely operating freely like a Tyrant is he not? and him signing the NDAA will allow him to "? all those who oppose him"
They are not different at all. Our bodies are just fleshly vessels that hold in our Spirits. so when our Spirit moves so do our bodies. FACT.
You still don't get it do you? Ephesians is explaining to you what is in control of our world physically via the Spiritual. the Evil spirits of Men INSIDE their fleshy bodies are the ones steering the events of the world right now. So yes the scripture is correct in saying we don't "technically" fight evil in the natural/physical becasue the powers that we are fighting come from the Spiritual realm. Demons homie. -
@Big James wrote " SMH at taking the Bible litterally especially the New Testament.
2. SMH at being worried about what N. Korea.
3. We got real problems to deal with without making up these "what if" scenarios of a country attacking another country that it is totally dependant on for its survival. I know you guys remember what happened to Tony Montana when he went against Sosa. That is exactly what would happen to NK if they sent a Nuke to China
If you've been paying attention to the News , North Korea is a real ? problem dude. Turn off that wack ass BET and get your head in the game brotha.
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@zombie Barack Obama is definitely operating freely like a Tyrant is he not? and him signing the NDAA will allow him to "? all those who oppose him"
They are not different at all. Our bodies are just fleshly vessels that hold in our Spirits. so when our Spirit moves so do our bodies. FACT.
You still don't get it do you? Ephesians is explaining to you what is in control of our world physically via the Spiritual. the Evil spirits of Men INSIDE their fleshy bodies are the ones steering the events of the world right now. So yes the scripture is correct in saying we don't "technically" fight evil in the natural/physical becasue the powers that we are fighting come from the Spiritual realm. Demons homie.
WRONG. Rev is talking about the spiritual warfare between good and evil, a spiritual fight that will have affects on the earth. In revelations when mystery babylon is mentioned it is meant to be taken on a spiritual level that's why it's called mystery babylon and i explained why mystery babylon cannot be a physical place,it is exactly because demons cannot be constrained to a physical body that mystery babylon is not a physical place. in the war between good and evil the destruction of a physical place means nothing. you basically just agreed with me but the mistake you are making is you are looking with physical eyes when you should be looking with others. If america is destroyed nothing will change because babylon is bigger than america. america maybe "A BABYLON" BUT IT'S NOT THE MYSTERY BABYLON OF THE BIBLE cause to begin with america's power is not a mystery ever one knows how powerful we are.
Obama is not operating freely because if he WAS, HE would not have to face such opposition from the republicans for every little thing, ? saddam,those are examples of tyrants not ? obama. -
@100prime. America is not the only mixing ? that same could be said of many nations, business is world wide. you have The popular but wrong interpretation of who/what mystery babylon is i advise you to think for yourself and not swallow the current evangelical spin on not only revalation but the entire bible.
In most bibles revelation 17:5 is capitalized it reads "The Mystery Babylon the Great, the Mother of Harlots and the abominations of the earth. " Think about that for a second. did a young nation like america give birth to all the abominations on earth? there were harlots and abominations before us. spiritually consider what ? thinks makes one a harlot. A wife has eyes for one man and is faithful to him only; on the other hand a harlot is not faithful, but has many lovers, or is not faithful to the one she should be faithful unto. ? is the ONE to be faithful unto. saying you love ? but then worshiping anything else other than ? make you a harlot in ? 's eyes. Mystery babylon is the mother of that. This MYSTERY BABYLON THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS has come down from the Old Testament throughout history and has grown into all the world and has become great. Multitudes, tongues, peoples, and nations have been deceived by her. It is a world wide spirit a deceiving system it is what has made man
worship idols, images….greed, power, fame… things made out of man’s hands, gold, silver,it has been the origin and driving force behind the worlds suffering. In short mystery babylon is the lure of materialism, Not one nation.
you think the master of the universe is concerned with the political existence of one nation? no . Ephesians 6:12 tells us " For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." The ? of Babylon is evil capitalism, the devil rule, a ? is used by everyone this world is run by capitalism all nations use it. The city of New Jerusalem is from Jesus Christ who rules for those who except and obey HIS WORD of LIFE and will go to heaven with HIM.
1. America is known as "the melting ? " of the world. American history began with immigrants and slaves from Africa, bringing their own cultures and traditions to a new country. No other place in the world has such a diverse population. This is a statement of fact, not opinion. Thus, ? describes the destruction of Babylon as such:
"A sword is upon their horses, and upon their chariots, and upon all the mingled people that are in the midst of her; and they shall become as women: a sword is upon her treasures; and they shall be robbed."
Jeremiah 50:37
America is a land full of "mingled people". Can the same be said about Russia? China? India? Japan? Etc. No. Over 90%+ of the population of America is not native. America is a melting ? of all the countries of the world. Which brings me to my 2nd point.
2. America is the mother of all harlots and abominations of the earth because every tribe, kindred, tongue, nation, and people group is represented in her. Every ? , idol, religion, philosophy, witchcraft, sorcery, and abominable thing is practiced in this country. America is the land of the free. Nothing is off limits as far as worship, idolatry, religion, and sorcery is concerned. America is the fountain head of all wickedness. This is exactly what the prophet Zechariah stated in his prophecy concerning Babylon:
"5Then the angel who was speaking to me came forward and said to me, “Look up and see what this is that is appearing.”
6I asked, “What is it?”
He replied, “It is a measuring basket.” And he added, “This is the iniquity of the people throughout the land.”
7Then the cover of lead was raised, and there in the basket sat a woman! 8He said, “This is wickedness,” and he pushed her back into the basket and pushed the lead cover down over its mouth.
9Then I looked up—and there before me were two women, with the wind in their wings! They had wings like those of a stork, and they lifted up the basket between heaven and earth.
10“Where are they taking the basket?” I asked the angel who was speaking to me.
11He replied, “To the country of Babylonia to build a house for it. When it is ready, the basket will be set there upon her own base." Zechariah 5:5-11
The woman in Zechariah is the same woman that is seen in Revelation 17 riding the scarlet colored beast. The woman makes the whole world ? with the wine of her fornication because she is filled with wickedness. But how is this possible? Well just look at how America influences the whole world. All the major media outlets that reach the whole world are based in America. Hollywood is the biggest film producer of the world. The San Fernando valley is the base of the biggest porn companies in the world. The internet, which has connected the whole world was started in America. The 2 biggest financial markets are located in America (NYSE and NASDAQ). etc. That is just the tip of the ice-berg though. No other country on planet earth influences the world like America does. This isn't opinion, this is fact.
1. America rules over the world because of her military power:
"How is the hammer of the whole earth cut asunder and broken! how is Babylon become a desolation among the nations!" Jeremiah 50:23
2. her consumerism:
"For all the nations have ? from the wine of her sexual immorality, and the kings of the earth have committed sexual immorality with her. The world's businesses have become rich from her luxurious excesses." Revelation 18:3
3. Her great voice:
"For the LORD is going to devastate Babylon; He will silence her mighty voice." Jeremiah 51:55
There is so much more though. Reading all the prophecies that speak about Babylon and having the Holy Spirit guide us into all truth, will only lead to the conclusion that Babylon the Great is the United States of America. Amen. -
ADoUwant2go2Heaven? wrote: »@100prime. America is not the only mixing ? that same could be said of many nations, business is world wide. you have The popular but wrong interpretation of who/what mystery babylon is i advise you to think for yourself and not swallow the current evangelical spin on not only revalation but the entire bible.
In most bibles revelation 17:5 is capitalized it reads "The Mystery Babylon the Great, the Mother of Harlots and the abominations of the earth. " Think about that for a second. did a young nation like america give birth to all the abominations on earth? there were harlots and abominations before us. spiritually consider what ? thinks makes one a harlot. A wife has eyes for one man and is faithful to him only; on the other hand a harlot is not faithful, but has many lovers, or is not faithful to the one she should be faithful unto. ? is the ONE to be faithful unto. saying you love ? but then worshiping anything else other than ? make you a harlot in ? 's eyes. Mystery babylon is the mother of that. This MYSTERY BABYLON THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS has come down from the Old Testament throughout history and has grown into all the world and has become great. Multitudes, tongues, peoples, and nations have been deceived by her. It is a world wide spirit a deceiving system it is what has made man
worship idols, images….greed, power, fame… things made out of man’s hands, gold, silver,it has been the origin and driving force behind the worlds suffering. In short mystery babylon is the lure of materialism, Not one nation.
you think the master of the universe is concerned with the political existence of one nation? no . Ephesians 6:12 tells us " For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." The ? of Babylon is evil capitalism, the devil rule, a ? is used by everyone this world is run by capitalism all nations use it. The city of New Jerusalem is from Jesus Christ who rules for those who except and obey HIS WORD of LIFE and will go to heaven with HIM.
1. America is known as "the melting ? " of the world. American history began with immigrants and slaves from Africa, bringing their own cultures and traditions to a new country. No other place in the world has such a diverse population. This is a statement of fact, not opinion. Thus, ? describes the destruction of Babylon as such:
"A sword is upon their horses, and upon their chariots, and upon all the mingled people that are in the midst of her; and they shall become as women: a sword is upon her treasures; and they shall be robbed."
Jeremiah 50:37
America is a land full of "mingled people". Can the same be said about Russia? China? India? Japan? Etc. No. Over 90%+ of the population of America is not native. America is a melting ? of all the countries of the world. Which brings me to my 2nd point.
2. America is the mother of all harlots and abominations of the earth because every tribe, kindred, tongue, nation, and people group is represented in her. Every ? , idol, religion, philosophy, witchcraft, sorcery, and abominable thing is practiced in this country. America is the land of the free. Nothing is off limits as far as worship, idolatry, religion, and sorcery is concerned. America is the fountain head of all wickedness. This is exactly what the prophet Zechariah stated in his prophecy concerning Babylon:
"5Then the angel who was speaking to me came forward and said to me, “Look up and see what this is that is appearing.”
6I asked, “What is it?”
He replied, “It is a measuring basket.” And he added, “This is the iniquity of the people throughout the land.”
7Then the cover of lead was raised, and there in the basket sat a woman! 8He said, “This is wickedness,” and he pushed her back into the basket and pushed the lead cover down over its mouth.
9Then I looked up—and there before me were two women, with the wind in their wings! They had wings like those of a stork, and they lifted up the basket between heaven and earth.
10“Where are they taking the basket?” I asked the angel who was speaking to me.
11He replied, “To the country of Babylonia to build a house for it. When it is ready, the basket will be set there upon her own base." Zechariah 5:5-11
The woman in Zechariah is the same woman that is seen in Revelation 17 riding the scarlet colored beast. The woman makes the whole world ? with the wine of her fornication because she is filled with wickedness. But how is this possible? Well just look at how America influences the whole world. All the major media outlets that reach the whole world are based in America. Hollywood is the biggest film producer of the world. The San Fernando valley is the base of the biggest porn companies in the world. The internet, which has connected the whole world was started in America. The 2 biggest financial markets are located in America (NYSE and NASDAQ). etc. That is just the tip of the ice-berg though. No other country on planet earth influences the world like America does. This isn't opinion, this is fact.
1. America rules over the world because of her military power:
"How is the hammer of the whole earth cut asunder and broken! how is Babylon become a desolation among the nations!" Jeremiah 50:23
2. her consumerism:
"For all the nations have ? from the wine of her sexual immorality, and the kings of the earth have committed sexual immorality with her. The world's businesses have become rich from her luxurious excesses." Revelation 18:3
3. Her great voice:
"For the LORD is going to devastate Babylon; He will silence her mighty voice." Jeremiah 51:55
There is so much more though. Reading all the prophecies that speak about Babylon and having the Holy Spirit guide us into all truth, will only lead to the conclusion that Babylon the Great is the United States of America. Amen.
No friend. The problem with all that you have listed is that it all can be applied to other nations also the babylon of the end times is called a mystery the power of america is not unknown and is no mystery. -
@Zombie you're in denial. and that's unfortuanate. "Mystery Babylon" is called such in the Bible because it is Mystery who Babylon is UNTIL you understand the scriptures and unlock the Mystery. the Most High planned it this way because only his elect will recognize the Beast of Revelation and who the Mystery Babylon is. Everybody is not going to recognize aand will die or be killed by the AntiChrist. it was written that many will die in Iniquity(Ignorance and Lies) and only a select number will make it through the Tribulation. And it's going down just....like...that...
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I thought this was a thread about Korea. So this is a contest to see when America will be destroyed according to the Bible huh? Interesting.. Change the title then.
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Well my brother, the mystery of Babylon the great was a mystery for over 1900+ years. John got the prophecy in 90 A.D. on the island of Patmos. So for almost 2,000 years Revelation 17 and 18 was a mystery to all those who read it. But now ? is revealing the true identity of Babylon the great because ? said in Amos 3:7, "Surely the Sovereign LORD does nothing without revealing his plan to his servants the prophets." ? is taking off the covers because Babylon the Great can be fully known now. When we take and study these passages of scripture:
Isaiah 13-14, 47
Jeremiah 50-51
Zechariah 5:5-11
Revelation 17-18
The identity of Babylon the Great can and will be understood. And because every prophetic utterance regarding Babylon the Great must match up, there is no other perfect match than America. You have to put the defendant on trial and prosecute it with the scriptures. If even 1 of the prophecies doesn't add up, the candidate is invalid. America fulfills all the requirements laid out in scripture. There is no denying this. Now, I pray that the Holy Spirit will give you understanding regarding this. We love and serve the same LORD JESUS CHRIST. And He wants all of His saints to come to the knowledge of the truth. i'm 100% certain that Babylon the Great is America. And because I know this to be true, ? has given those who live inside of her directions. We must flee from Babylon before she is destroyed in 1 day and in 1 hour. When will we have to flee? When ? gives the command.
Noah was warned 120 years in advance and when the time came, ? delivered Him. Lot on the other hand was visited by the angels the night before ? destroyed ? and Gomorrah. So it really doesn't matter when we leave, either years in advance (as some already have) or the night before. What matters is being sensitive to the Holy Spirit so that when He does tell us to leave, we will not question, hesitate, or delay. We have to be ready to get out of America before the disaster strikes. It's going to come so fast and hard that the world itself will shake when it happens. But ? will lead His people to safety. Amen. -
FuriousOne wrote: »I thought this was a thread about Korea. So this is a contest to see when America will be destroyed according to the Bible huh? Interesting.. Change the title then.
Well North Korea wants to destroy America, so bible prophecy is definitely relevant. -
DoUwant2go2Heaven? wrote: »FuriousOne wrote: »I thought this was a thread about Korea. So this is a contest to see when America will be destroyed according to the Bible huh? Interesting.. Change the title then.
Well North Korea wants to destroy America, so bible prophecy is definitely relevant.
Well we know they can't so how is it relevant when it's not a possible component to initiate an apocalypse? -
FuriousOne wrote: »DoUwant2go2Heaven? wrote: »FuriousOne wrote: »I thought this was a thread about Korea. So this is a contest to see when America will be destroyed according to the Bible huh? Interesting.. Change the title then.
Well North Korea wants to destroy America, so bible prophecy is definitely relevant.
Well we know they can't so how is it relevant when it's not a possible component to initiate an apocalypse?
The prophecy states that 10 kings will destroy Babylon the Great. North Korea could be part of the conglomerate of nations that will conspire to take down Babylon, because they have already laid out their intentions. Prophecy is unfolding before our eyes my friend.
Iran is the hook that will lead to Babylon being destroyed, according to the prophecy. And the nations are already aligning. Russia, China, Iran, and North Korea are all prime candidates that will lead to the complete annihilation of America.
As a believer in Christ, I will not turn a blind eye to the obvious signs that continue to speak to the whole world. Proverbs says this:
"A prudent person foresees danger and takes precautions. The simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." Proverbs 22:3
I refuse to be simple minded by ignoring what is taking place on the world scene. By Gods grace I will continue to be prudent by being sober, watching, and praying so that when the day does come, I will have made the right decisions by trusting ? ! Amen. -
And because I love my neighbor as myself, I will also warn others of what is to come. But just like the days of Noah, many people will not believe because of their hard hearts. Thus they will blindly walk head-long into destruction.
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@FuriousOne wrote "I thought this was a thread about Korea. So this is a contest to see when America will be destroyed according to the Bible huh? Interesting.. Change the title then. "@FuriousOne
.... Life on earth and Biblical scripture are intertwined.
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@FuriousOne wrote " Well we know they can't so how is it relevant when it's not a possible component to initiate an apocalypse? "
How do YOU know they can't? you got some inside-intel we don't know about? stop being fecetious.
