Rewriting Evolution ~ Darwin was wrong
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ShiveDreadz wrote: »Humans are apes, have been and always will be.
You gotta do your research.
Evolution is vast and difficult topic.
I can't sit there and tell you from 500 millions ago to the presents.
You know many species they are and were???
ok.. so where did all this life on this earth from man, animals, to plants, trees, etc., come from?
and dont you find it funny that everything in and on this earth is linked and needed eachother to live here? like if bee's, for instance, went extinct; life would drastically change.
us as humans, even the earth, need every animal that is here to maintain the earth.
almost like everything that is here, is 'meant' to be here, right? cuz if it has no reason, then it wouldnt be here, no?
so how does everything here perfectly fit together, by accident?
Going to continue reading thread, but just thought id coment on this here.
If everything on earth perfectly fit togethee, there wouldnt be extinct species. Do you know what percentage of species throughout earths history are extinct?
Educate yourself.
Thanks for reading brother.......
You make a great point about the math involved in evolution.......
There are several mathematicians that disagree with the probabilities of of the smallest self-replicating organism arising from pure random chance..........
" 'Survival of the fittest' and 'natural selection.' No matter what phraseology one generates, the basic fact remains the same: any physical change of any size, shape or form is strictly the result of purposeful alignment of billions of nucleotides (in the DNA). Nature or species do not have the capacity for rearranging them, nor adding to them. Consequently no leap (saltation) can occur from one species to another. The only way we know for a DNA to be altered is through a meaningful intervention from an outside source of intelligence: one who knows what it is doing, such as our genetic engineers are now performing in their laboratories."
Cohen, I.L. (1984)
Darwin Was Wrong: A Study in Probabilities
New York: NW Research Publications, Inc., p. 209
"Cohen showed that the purely mathematical probability AGAINST that organism arising by pure chance is a number with (over) 180,000 zeroes after it (ie., 10 to the 180,000th power.) This is mind-boggling when we consider that superscript numbers, or "powers" tell how many zeroes are in a number.
When dividing superscript numbers, we subtract powers. Since there are 10 to the 80th power seconds in the evolutionary time-frame, there would have had to have been 10 to the 178,920th power random tries PER SECOND for purely random chance to accomplish creation of the SIMPLEST living organism. And that would only get the first organism. Mathematicians consider any probability with a power greater than 50 (that is, a number with 50 zeroes) to be truly "impossible."
Mad impossibilities connected to evolution...................
Educate yourself..................
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ShiveDreadz wrote: »DoUwant2go2Heaven? wrote: »Oh yeah and lol and smh at "natural selection" and "evolution" not being smart enough to stop species from dying, but yet smart enough to evolve a human being.
More wtf here
Somehow "evolution" and "natural selection" can will atoms into motion which gave birth to an untold number of species, but yet "evolution" and "natural selection" wasn't smart enough to stop the process of aging and death? Like for real?
More lol here
A combination of atoms, motion, time, and chance has fashioned everything that we currently have, but yet "evolution" and "natural selection" couldn't figure out how to stop death?
More lol here
WOW!!!
If death stopped life would have to stop. The earth only has so much space and resources.
More people=more competition and more violence fighting over resources=more DEATHS.
Death and life are tied together. Everything that starts must end nothing is infinite.
Have you ever traveled anywhere my friend? Do you know how much space is on the earth? Have you been on a road trip before? Have you not seen the vast emptiness of land that is in the United States alone? Heck, the entire population of the world can fit inside the state of Rhode Island! Space on earth is not the problem, sin is the problem.
Before sin was introduced into the world there was no death. The infinite ? created His creation free from death, decay, and destruction. But when sin entered into the world, death came.
But if you know the LORD Jesus Christ, death has lost it's sting! The grave will not have victory over those who have been redeemed by Him! Hallelujah! Come to Jesus Christ my friend so that He can open your eyes and give you eternal life! He loves you my friend. Amen.
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Smash_Adams wrote: »Smash_Adams wrote: »You cant believe in ? and evolution and be a good Muslim, Jew, Christian, Buddhist in the strictest adherence of the word. Because it says that ? created us in these religions, not that we evolved. If you believe in evolution it contradict your religious beliefs, so why believe in ? ?
This is sheer stupidity.
They're Christian, Muslims, Jews and etc who accept evolution.
For example: Kai is Muslim who accept evolution as fact.
Zombie accept evolution and he's a Christian.
It says that we were CREATED in the image of ? . Not that we EVOLVED into the image of ? . And @kai my study is psychology with a concentration in abnormal psychology. Never said I was an expert on religion. These are just my opinions. I say do whatever makes you happy as long as your not hurting anyone else.
Psychology is "broscience"
It's not observable or testable like Evolution,physics and etc.
woowwww......
? in here makin up words now, this has gotten completely out of control -
DoUwant2go2Heaven? wrote: »Oh yeah and lol and smh at "natural selection" and "evolution" not being smart enough to stop species from dying, but yet smart enough to evolve a human being.
More wtf here
Somehow "evolution" and "natural selection" can will atoms into motion which gave birth to an untold number of species, but yet "evolution" and "natural selection" wasn't smart enough to stop the process of aging and death? Like for real?
More lol here
A combination of atoms, motion, time, and chance has fashioned everything that we currently have, but yet "evolution" and "natural selection" couldn't figure out how to stop death?
More lol here
Everything has to die.
Circle of life.
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I can't stand threads like this, the ignorance is rampant.
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I can't stand threads like this, the ignorance is rampant.
Speak on the evidence provided.......
Or go to the ? donkey..................
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**crickets**
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It's been spoken for, yet you do the same thing, tip toe around like you know it all.
Take your evidence to science, call a meeting and them this profound evidence.
Change the world.
Otherwise, shut up and keep it moving.
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Stop trolling........
@VIBE.....
you have been posting too long to have me ruin your IC career........
fall back........
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No one has a rebuttal for you drew, they gonna just keep throwin insults and attempt to discredit you
thats how ? goes here. ? hellbent on being right as opposed to exchanging ideas. theyll say you're dumb but they wont present proper rebuttal becuz maybe they dont have any -
Smash_Adams wrote: »Smash_Adams wrote: »You cant believe in ? and evolution and be a good Muslim, Jew, Christian, Buddhist in the strictest adherence of the word. Because it says that ? created us in these religions, not that we evolved. If you believe in evolution it contradict your religious beliefs, so why believe in ? ?
This is sheer stupidity.
They're Christian, Muslims, Jews and etc who accept evolution.
For example: Kai is Muslim who accept evolution as fact.
Zombie accept evolution and he's a Christian.
It says that we were CREATED in the image of ? . Not that we EVOLVED into the image of ? . And @kai my study is psychology with a concentration in abnormal psychology. Never said I was an expert on religion. These are just my opinions. I say do whatever makes you happy as long as your not hurting anyone else.
Psychology is "broscience"
It's not observable or testable like Evolution,physics and etc.
woowwww......
? in here makin up words now, this has gotten completely out of control
I can't ? with "broscience". -
No one has a rebuttal for you drew, they gonna just keep throwin insults and attempt to discredit you
thats how ? goes here. ? hellbent on being right as opposed to exchanging ideas. theyll say you're dumb but they wont present proper rebuttal becuz maybe they dont have any
He's 100% bias, that's his problem. So to "debate" with him is pointless.
He's set on a creator and how evolution is ? , no matter who posts or what is posted, he will not accept it. He will view it as a troll post or as a ? post with no credibility.
If he was more open minded then it would make a better discussion.
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Smash_Adams wrote: »Smash_Adams wrote: »You cant believe in ? and evolution and be a good Muslim, Jew, Christian, Buddhist in the strictest adherence of the word. Because it says that ? created us in these religions, not that we evolved. If you believe in evolution it contradict your religious beliefs, so why believe in ? ?
This is sheer stupidity.
They're Christian, Muslims, Jews and etc who accept evolution.
For example: Kai is Muslim who accept evolution as fact.
Zombie accept evolution and he's a Christian.
It says that we were CREATED in the image of ? . Not that we EVOLVED into the image of ? . And @kai my study is psychology with a concentration in abnormal psychology. Never said I was an expert on religion. These are just my opinions. I say do whatever makes you happy as long as your not hurting anyone else.
Humans are stupid to an extent.
That's why the concept of ? was made up.
Imagine you're an early human ancestor.
You don't how it rains, how the sun comes up and etc.
Some things in life look cool and design to the human's perspective.
We will think it's designed because how beauty like the grand canyon, and etc looks. -
"created in the image of ? "
So which image?
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havent read this thread, just wondered, and excuse my ignorance...but how does a muslim believe in evolution and Allah at the same damn time?
@Kai -
It's really not hard.
Kai probably believe ? had a hand in the Universe and ? left it up to us. -
CopperKing wrote: »so u believe in mutation over a lifespan but not evolution over millions of years (generations) ??
This is what I explained to him earlier. Mutation is a mechanism of evolution along with genetic drift, natural selection and migration and is a major player in genetic variation. -
havent read this thread, just wondered, and excuse my ignorance...but how does a muslim believe in evolution and Allah at the same damn time?
@Kai
how are the two mutually exclusive?
evolution doesn't explain the origin of life it explains how life changes once it is here. pretty easy to believe in both for me
I think he meant the origins of species.......
& how one species became many.......
As opposed to Allah being the creator of mankind & the Universe.........
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CopperKing wrote: »so u believe in mutation over a lifespan but not evolution over millions of years (generations) ??
This is what I explained to him earlier. Mutation is a mechanism of evolution along with genetic drift, natural selection and migration and is a major player in genetic variation.
Alas........
You emerge.......
But with no evidence again, I see........
*tisk tisk*
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This thread is over. Let me explain why..
@Drew_Ali..
If you would have continued reading the article in New Science, you would know that the writer expresses his belief that the tree should be swapped for the image of a web to explain evolution.
It is not to say that evolution is false but that evolution has to be depicted in another way other than a tree.
Read here..
From tree to web
As it became clear that HGT was a major factor, biologists started
to realise the implications for the tree concept. As early as 1993,
some were proposing that for bacteria and archaea the tree of life
was more like a web.
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Why a "web" as opposed to a "tree"?
Darwin assumed
that descent was exclusively "vertical", with organisms passing
traits down to their offspring. But what if species also routinely
swapped genetic material with other species, or hybridised with
them? Then that neat branching pattern would quickly degenerate into
an impenetrable thicket of interrelatedness, with species being
closely related in some respects but not others.
We now know that this is exactly what happens. As more and more
genes were sequenced, it became clear that the patterns of
relatedness could only be explained if bacteria and archaea were
routinely swapping genetic material with other species--often
across huge taxonomic distances--in a process called horizontal
gene transfer (HGT).
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@Oceanic......
You cant read ? .....
"For much of the past 150 years, biology has largely concerned itself
with filling in the details of the tree. "For a long time the holy
grail was to build a tree of life," says Eric Bapteste, an
evolutionary biologist at the Pierre and Marie Curie University in
Paris, France. A few years ago it looked as though the grail was
within reach. But today the project lies in tatters, torn to pieces
by an onslaught of negative evidence. Many biologists now argue that
the tree concept is obsolete and needs to be discarded. "We have no
evidence at all that the tree of life is a reality," says Bapteste.
That bombshell has even persuaded some that our fundamental view of
biology needs to change."
http://postbiota.org/pipermail/tt/2009-February/004416.html
Ironic that Darwin's destruction comes from Oceanic biology...............
http://youtu.be/-bMQkAqxNeE
