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FORMER Iranian official, though, right?Swiffness! wrote: »If Obama hears about what dat Iranian official said....
It was nice debating with ya'll all these years.
honestly, this is on the committee that decided to give him that award based on... what was it, again? getting elected? not being Bush?Obama needs to give his Nobel Peace Prize back.
and remember what Obama said about what you should do when 90% of the public wants something.He can prepare for a serious drop in public support as 91 percent of the people did not want to attack Syria.
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Swiffness! wrote: »3,000? Source? Drones add up to like 300+ and hell naw all dem ain't innocent. And Al Qaeda & its Wu killa beez affiliates lol killed A LOT of Sunni Muslims in Iraq. Plus dem Africans at the Embassys. And a couple other things. Naw, Obeezy put ? in vacants covered in lye, but he hasn't put up the numbers in innocent deaths that Osama has.....yet. And by "yet" i mean 9/5/13 8:05 Eastern Daylight time lol smh
If you gonna come in here and post this BS you need stop B. Al Qaeda is Sunni Muslims killing the Shiites Muslims. -
? Obama. He is a muslim from the bottom but now he kiss the jews ass and want to ? the muslims.
I am muslim myself and this get me really upset. Let us live damn America.. You really hate muslims
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...and now everyone on the forum can unite behind rolling our eyes at this mess of a postdeathrowzorrow wrote: »? Obama. He is a muslim from the bottom but now he kiss the jews ass and want to ? the muslims.
I am muslim myself and this get me really upset. Let us live damn America.. You really hate muslims
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Russia and Syria embraced Secretary of State John F. Kerry’s (unscripted) suggestion Monday that the Syrian government could avert a U.S. attack by placing its chemical weapons under international control, upending the Obama administration’s efforts to sharpen its case for military action.
WOWWWWWWWW
If Syrian President Bashar al-Assad gives up his chemical weapons, a military strike would "absolutely" be on pause, President Obama said today.
"I consider this a modestly positive development," Obama told ABC News' Diane Sawyer in an interview at the White House when asked whether Syria's apparent willingness to relinquish control of its chemical weapons would prevent a U.S. strike.
whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
Even as top administration officials offered caveats about these developments, their coordinated responses suggest the administration is laying the groundwork for declaring victory.
“We don’t know whether Syria will agree with this, but if the establishment of international control over chemical weapons in the country will prevent attacks, then we will immediately begin work with Damascus,” Mr. Lavrov said at the [Russian] Foreign Ministry. “And we call on the Syrian leadership to not only agree to setting the chemical weapons storage sites under international control, but also to their subsequent destruction.”
So then. With fingers crossed, Obama may have stumbled on a way to win the Kobayashi Maru scenario and get the ? out of this mess - WHILE ACHIEVING HIS STATED OBJECTIVE, SAVING FACE, AND ? ACTUALLY MAYBE MANAGE TO MAKE SYRIA BETTER INSTEAD OF WORSE.
lmfao @ these Anti-Imperialist Laptop Guevaras who should be thrilled by this news catching feelings instead because it ? up their simple-ass "Evil Empire" narrative. "The Military Industrial Complex and Wall Street and Israel and The Illuminati conspired to start another.........internationally backed moratorium on Chemical Weapons!" Sure doesn't sound like Iraq or Vietnam to me, ? . I mean, if the rebels really can just GRAB ? SARIN and use it against you, why WOULDN'T you want the international community to take control of them?MrSoutCity wrote: »Swiffness! wrote: »3,000? Source? Drones add up to like 300+ and hell naw all dem ain't innocent. And Al Qaeda & its Wu killa beez affiliates lol killed A LOT of Sunni Muslims in Iraq. Plus dem Africans at the Embassys. And a couple other things. Naw, Obeezy put ? in vacants covered in lye, but he hasn't put up the numbers in innocent deaths that Osama has.....yet. And by "yet" i mean 9/5/13 8:05 Eastern Daylight time lol smh
If you gonna come in here and post this BS you need stop B. Al Qaeda is Sunni Muslims killing the Shiites Muslims.
lmao I messed up and typed the wrong name, whoops.
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Wow..
I applaud the president and feel as though credit needs to be given in which it probably won't be which is sad. Knowing the "mutual" feelings between both putin and the President, the President still took it upon himself to go to Russia which could have been dangerous for him to do in a sense he could of went in and went straight to war instead of talking to everyone.
but this may not stop the civil war that's going on -
Syria said it would sign the Chemical Weapons Convention, following Russia’s proposal that it hands over its chemical weapons to international supervisors. Damascus pledged to open its storage sites and provide full disclosure of its stocks immediately.
“We fully support Russia’s initiative concerning chemical weapons in Syria, and we are ready to cooperate. As a part of the plan, we intend to join the Chemical Weapons Convention,”Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Muallem said in an interview with Lebanon-based Al-Maydeen TV.
“We are ready to fulfill our obligations in compliance with this treaty, including through the provision of information about our chemical weapons. We will open our storage sites, and cease production. We are ready to open these facilities to Russia, other countries and the United Nations.”
He added: “We intend to give up chemical weapons altogether.”
http://rt.com/news/syria-join-chemical-weapons-convention-675/
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(Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin and U.S. President Barack Obama discussed the idea of placing Syria's chemical weapons arsenal under international control on the sidelines of a G20 summit last week, Putin's spokesman said on Tuesday.
real G's move in silence like lasagna -
Obama's unofficial support of Al Qaeda begins.......
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/cia-begins-weapons-delivery-to-syrian-rebels/2013/09/11/9fcf2ed8-1b0c-11e3-a628-7e6dde8f889d_story.html
U.S. weapons reaching Syrian rebels
The CIA has begun delivering weapons to rebels in Syria, ending months of delay in lethal aid that had been promised by the Obama administration, according to U.S. officials and Syrian figures. The shipments began streaming into the country over the past two weeks, along with separate deliveries by the State Department of vehicles and other gear — a flow of material that marks a major escalation of the U.S. role in Syria’s civil war.
The arms shipments, which are limited to light weapons and other munitions that can be tracked, began arriving in Syria at a moment of heightened tensions over threats by President Obama to order missile strikes to punish the regime of Bashar al-Assad for his alleged use of chemical weapons in a deadly attack near Damascus last month.
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deathrowzorrow wrote: »? Obama. He is a muslim from the bottom but now he kiss the jews ass and want to ? the muslims.
I am muslim myself and this get me really upset. Let us live damn America.. You really hate muslims
Obama has a blood fetish for people in the Middle East unfortunately. Why, I don't know -
wait, what the ? does the president need to get credit for? accidentally having this happen after Kerry gaffed?Knock_Twice wrote: »I applaud the president and feel as though credit needs to be given in which it probably won't be which is sad. -
wait, what the ? does the president need to get credit for? accidentally having this happen after Kerry gaffed?Knock_Twice wrote: »I applaud the president and feel as though credit needs to be given in which it probably won't be which is sad.
A credible threat of force is what made it happen.
Literally none of us would be talking or thinking about Syria otherwise.
There would be no Syria thread in the SL, no headlines about Syria, Putin would not be writing Op-Eds in the NYT about Syria.
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Swiffness! wrote: »
wait, what the ? does the president need to get credit for? accidentally having this happen after Kerry gaffed?Knock_Twice wrote: »I applaud the president and feel as though credit needs to be given in which it probably won't be which is sad.
A credible threat of force is what made it happen.
Literally none of us would be talking or thinking about Syria otherwise.
There would be no Syria thread in the SL, no headlines about Syria, Putin would not be writing Op-Eds in the NYT about Syria.
I really don't think THAT can be disputed.
True as much as I think Obama butting in is a huge mistake (considering America has ZERO moral authority on killings of civilians), his threats does have Syria shook. Realistically though, Russia and Syria aren't gonna have enough time to take ALL of Assad's chemical weapons and destroy them. That would take years and in America, when a president wants to bomb a country, that country doesn't have much time before bombers come flying -
the problem with this basically is that a) the "credible threat" was COMPLETELY undermined by rhetoric at every step and b) he acted like a ? hypocrite about it.Swiffness! wrote: »A credible threat of force is what made it happen.
here's the thing: if you say, "Obama pounced on the best way out of the situation" or "Obama did the best he could when things looked like they were going south," i'll give you something along those lines. and i mean that in a complementary way. but if we're saying he's on some grandmaster three-moves-ahead ? like these guys saying this ALL was planned all along by Obama? to hell with THAT noise.
actually, this is the easiest part of the thread TO be disputed. i read about Syria all the time; it's a big and continuing story. now, the average American would probably not care, i grant you that, but let's not pretend NO ONE would care if Obama hadn't acted.Swiffness! wrote: »Literally none of us would be talking or thinking about Syria otherwise. There would be no Syria thread in the SL, no headlines about Syria, Putin would not be writing Op-Eds in the NYT about Syria. I really don't think THAT can be disputed.
remember, there's a reason why they're banging him for not doing ? years ago on Syria
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Considering there is now a deal to avoid war now, does Vladimir Putin deserve a Nobel Peace Prize? He should at least be in consideration of one. America was ready to rush to war and ruin its reputation (again), and Russia bailed us out. I nominate Vladimir Putin for the Nobel Peace Prize.
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dont kno if this been posted b4
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Putin wasn't willing to do ? about Syria until America threatened them. Putin was saying the entire time that the Syrian government was completely innocent. The threat of war is not gone if they don't comply with the treaty. America is on a great position even with Russia's fancy fireworks deflecting that fact. Obama asked Russia to do something from the jump and for these dudes to be that scared to give up all their weapons, the threat was taking serious by all parties regardless of NY Times puff pieces.
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FuriousOne wrote: »Putin wasn't willing to do ? about Syria until America threatened them. Putin was saying the entire time that the Syrian government was completely innocent. The threat of war is not gone if they don't comply with the treaty. America is on a great position even with Russia's fancy fireworks deflecting that fact. Obama asked Russia to do something from the jump and for these dudes to be that scared to give up all their weapons, the threat was taking serious by all parties regardless of NY Times puff pieces.
Why do you support Al-Qaeda so much? Or is it all about the children? If it's about the dead civilians, how come you haven't mention getting involved in the Sudan and Congo wars also? Innocent people died there first and for the record, the rebels of Syria have killed many innocent civilians too. Neither side is innocent here and that's why we can't and shouldn't get involved. America has enough enemies around the world, so if this inspection thing fails, the United Nations should take action, not America and France alone.
I say this mostly because I have a feeling America will look for some faulty excuse for war down the line. America didn't wait for the United Nations inspectors to finish their job in Iraq in 2003, so I hopefully things will be different now. I doubt it though....
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kingblaze84 wrote: »FuriousOne wrote: »Putin wasn't willing to do ? about Syria until America threatened them. Putin was saying the entire time that the Syrian government was completely innocent. The threat of war is not gone if they don't comply with the treaty. America is on a great position even with Russia's fancy fireworks deflecting that fact. Obama asked Russia to do something from the jump and for these dudes to be that scared to give up all their weapons, the threat was taking serious by all parties regardless of NY Times puff pieces.
Why do you support Al-Qaeda so much? Or is it all about the children? If it's about the dead civilians, how come you haven't mention getting involved in the Sudan and Congo wars also? Innocent people died there first and for the record, the rebels of Syria have killed many innocent civilians too. Neither side is innocent here and that's why we can't and shouldn't get involved. America has enough enemies around the world, so if this inspection thing fails, the United Nations should take action, not America and France alone.
I say this mostly because I have a feeling America will look for some faulty excuse for war down the line. America didn't wait for the United Nations inspectors to finish their job in Iraq in 2003, so I hopefully things will be different now. I doubt it though....
Why do you support Russia so Much? They killing ? legally and offing reporters on the regular. I did mention getting involved in the Congo a few times on this very topic. Last time i checked, Obama wasn't in office at the begging or end of those Congo or Sudan wars. Obama sent top trainers over there to help train the coalition of African countries that are there now. Those are not foot soldiers, those are 100 hundred of the best trainers and specialists. We also sent military aid to Somalia to stop the Jihadists and pirates from destabilizing their country. Africa in on the come up btw. The bottom line is, nobody wanted to take responsibility and Russia was blocking any effort to dissuade the president from doing far worse then any so called Al Qaeda associate has done.
It doesn't matter that everyone involved are ? , it matters that the president is offing people by a far larger degree. Why do you support mass gassing of civilians? Nobody was willing to do ? until America told them to do it or we'll body you.. I have a feeling that if they don't stick to the script, then they gonna get the stick.. Iraq was obviously a different war that Obama actually ended. It was a war to honor bushes daddy. Stop conflating the two. It all honesty, it's obvious that Syria been a threat, and everybody in the region including Turkey was nervous about them and even Turkey was willing to get down along with France. Coalition enough. -
dont kno if this been posted b4http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLVYraFjDLs
al assad interview, i mean i dont believe him a 100%
but its still interesting to see what a leader says when his nation in total chaos and he could be bomed into oblivion by american allies anyday
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FuriousOne wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »FuriousOne wrote: »Putin wasn't willing to do ? about Syria until America threatened them. Putin was saying the entire time that the Syrian government was completely innocent. The threat of war is not gone if they don't comply with the treaty. America is on a great position even with Russia's fancy fireworks deflecting that fact. Obama asked Russia to do something from the jump and for these dudes to be that scared to give up all their weapons, the threat was taking serious by all parties regardless of NY Times puff pieces.
Why do you support Al-Qaeda so much? Or is it all about the children? If it's about the dead civilians, how come you haven't mention getting involved in the Sudan and Congo wars also? Innocent people died there first and for the record, the rebels of Syria have killed many innocent civilians too. Neither side is innocent here and that's why we can't and shouldn't get involved. America has enough enemies around the world, so if this inspection thing fails, the United Nations should take action, not America and France alone.
I say this mostly because I have a feeling America will look for some faulty excuse for war down the line. America didn't wait for the United Nations inspectors to finish their job in Iraq in 2003, so I hopefully things will be different now. I doubt it though....
Why do you support Russia so Much? They killing ? legally and offing reporters on the regular. I did mention getting involved in the Congo a few times on this very topic. Last time i checked, Obama wasn't in office at the begging or end of those Congo or Sudan wars. Obama sent top trainers over there to help train the coalition of African countries that are there now. Those are not foot soldiers, those are 100 hundred of the best trainers and specialists. We also sent military aid to Somalia to stop the Jihadists and pirates from destabilizing their country. Africa in on the come up btw. The bottom line is, nobody wanted to take responsibility and Russia was blocking any effort to dissuade the president from doing far worse then any so called Al Qaeda associate has done.
It doesn't matter that everyone involved are ? , it matters that the president is offing people by a far larger degree. Why do you support mass gassing of civilians? Nobody was willing to do ? until America told them to do it or we'll body you.. I have a feeling that if they don't stick to the script, then they gonna get the stick.. Iraq was obviously a different war that Obama actually ended. It was a war to honor bushes daddy. Stop conflating the two. It all honesty, it's obvious that Syria been a threat, and everybody in the region including Turkey was nervous about them and even Turkey was willing to get down along with France. Coalition enough.
Obama was in office when many civilians were getting killed in the Sudan back in 2009, his first full year in office, and he never threatened to body any leaders there. Regardless, Obama has a strong attachment to Syria for whatever reason (I hear there is an oil pipeline being built around Syria, maybe this is related) and wishes to avenge the deaths of those killed by chemical weapons. What people still don't understand is why get involved in this conflict when there is strong evidence the rebels used chemical weapons themselves? You admit everyone involved in this conflict are ? , so why benefit the other ? cuz the other guy killed more people? The Al-Qaeda linked rebels are FORCING secular and Christian Syrians to convert or be beheaded. They're kidnapping and ? tons of civilians, and yet you and Obama wish to help these kind of people. SICKENING.
WHEN Syria breaks the rules of this agreement, I hope Obama waits a little longer before helping out the mass rapists and terrorists of the rebel side. AH I FORGOT, he's already giving them weapons and bullets. LOL. America is a sad joke of a nation now. It's many jobs is America's saving grace, and many would debate that. -
http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/atrocities-of-the-syrian-rebels-graphic-nsfw/#.UjYBd3_NnDY
Is anyone in the mood to watch Obama's Al-Qaeda linked buddies in Syria ? children for being Christian or atheist?
How about being in the mood to watch the Al-Qaeda linked Syrian rebels shoot a 14 year old boy in the mouth for daring to be an Assad supporter? Or one eating the heart of an Assad govt soldier? Then click the link above.....I didn't put them directly here due to its extreme violence, but here are some words from the article....
Who are the FSA fighters?
As the US government debates on whether to assist Syrian rebels in their war against Bashar al-Assad, American citizens are learning more about their potential allies every day. The Free Syrian Army fighters are reportedly made up of al Nusra forces, which are al Qaeda affiliated fighters who have committed incredible acts of brutality in their effort to gain control of the state.
The war in Syria has raged for two years with over 100,000 casualties and has no clear ending. United States Secretary of State John Kerry has issued reports in the past week revealing that the government of Assad is using chemical weapons on its own people. The President of the United States Barack Obama has now reached his infamous “red line”, where he declared that the US will intervene to prevent a humanitarian catastrophe. The New York Times has reported that the president has deployed a group of CIA backed rebels, who have begun to make their way onto the battlefield.
But the FSA fighters backed by the US government are not all likely to be so friendly to America if they do win. Despite enormous casualties and alleged gas attacks by Assad, rebel fighters have woven their own trail of devastation across the countryside, slaughtering innocents and murdering children in the name of Islam.
--To anyone who supports Al-Qaeda in the world, take heart. Obama and the American federal govt is on your side. Who wouldv'e known? -
kingblaze84 wrote: »FuriousOne wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »FuriousOne wrote: »Putin wasn't willing to do ? about Syria until America threatened them. Putin was saying the entire time that the Syrian government was completely innocent. The threat of war is not gone if they don't comply with the treaty. America is on a great position even with Russia's fancy fireworks deflecting that fact. Obama asked Russia to do something from the jump and for these dudes to be that scared to give up all their weapons, the threat was taking serious by all parties regardless of NY Times puff pieces.
Why do you support Al-Qaeda so much? Or is it all about the children? If it's about the dead civilians, how come you haven't mention getting involved in the Sudan and Congo wars also? Innocent people died there first and for the record, the rebels of Syria have killed many innocent civilians too. Neither side is innocent here and that's why we can't and shouldn't get involved. America has enough enemies around the world, so if this inspection thing fails, the United Nations should take action, not America and France alone.
I say this mostly because I have a feeling America will look for some faulty excuse for war down the line. America didn't wait for the United Nations inspectors to finish their job in Iraq in 2003, so I hopefully things will be different now. I doubt it though....
Why do you support Russia so Much? They killing ? legally and offing reporters on the regular. I did mention getting involved in the Congo a few times on this very topic. Last time i checked, Obama wasn't in office at the begging or end of those Congo or Sudan wars. Obama sent top trainers over there to help train the coalition of African countries that are there now. Those are not foot soldiers, those are 100 hundred of the best trainers and specialists. We also sent military aid to Somalia to stop the Jihadists and pirates from destabilizing their country. Africa in on the come up btw. The bottom line is, nobody wanted to take responsibility and Russia was blocking any effort to dissuade the president from doing far worse then any so called Al Qaeda associate has done.
It doesn't matter that everyone involved are ? , it matters that the president is offing people by a far larger degree. Why do you support mass gassing of civilians? Nobody was willing to do ? until America told them to do it or we'll body you.. I have a feeling that if they don't stick to the script, then they gonna get the stick.. Iraq was obviously a different war that Obama actually ended. It was a war to honor bushes daddy. Stop conflating the two. It all honesty, it's obvious that Syria been a threat, and everybody in the region including Turkey was nervous about them and even Turkey was willing to get down along with France. Coalition enough.
Obama was in office when many civilians were getting killed in the Sudan back in 2009, his first full year in office, and he never threatened to body any leaders there. Regardless, Obama has a strong attachment to Syria for whatever reason (I hear there is an oil pipeline being built around Syria, maybe this is related) and wishes to avenge the deaths of those killed by chemical weapons. What people still don't understand is why get involved in this conflict when there is strong evidence the rebels used chemical weapons themselves? You admit everyone involved in this conflict are ? , so why benefit the other ? cuz the other guy killed more people? The Al-Qaeda linked rebels are FORCING secular and Christian Syrians to convert or be beheaded. They're kidnapping and ? tons of civilians, and yet you and Obama wish to help these kind of people. SICKENING.
WHEN Syria breaks the rules of this agreement, I hope Obama waits a little longer before helping out the mass rapists and terrorists of the rebel side. AH I FORGOT, he's already giving them weapons and bullets. LOL. America is a sad joke of a nation now. It's many jobs is America's saving grace, and many would debate that.
You got a link to that. Most of the conflict ended in 2005 even though there is still beef between South Sudan and Sudan. South Sudan is also fighting internal groups like Joseph Kony. Guess who sent soldiers to held eliminate Joseph Kony. Last i checked, South Sudan got it's independence but they have a long way to go.. The rebels will be checked in time but there is no strong evidence they the rebels used or even can properly handle chemical weapons. Al-Qaeda will loose ground once the dust settles just like Iraq. They are just taking advantage of a chaotic situation as they always do. Not all rebels are down with that and once Assad who is the far bigger threat is subdued, the people will have a chance to ouster the Al-Qaeda and the like. There is evidence they they committed a atrocities but most still point to Assad who is fostering such retaliations even though he is supposed to be their distinguished president. Even still, that does not give Assad a pass for inflicting death 10 fold. Their culture may be ? up, but allowing dudes to indiscriminately ? and gas civilians with rockets isn't a think the UN was created for. -
http://www.businessinsider.com/syrian-rebels-are-not-al-qaeda-2013-9One of the biggest arguments against further U.S. support of the Syrian opposition is that "the rebels are terrorists aligned with al Qaeda."
It is a claim Syrian President Bashar al-Assad has made over and over during the 29-month conflict.
But the notion that the Syrian opposition is dominated by al Qaeda is a myth.
Expert assessments
“They have a presence, and they’ve captured some territory. But [al Qaeda fighters are] in the minority," Major Issam Rayyes, a former Syrian Army communications officer who defected in June 2012 and now serves the Free Syrian Army (FSA), told The Weekly Standard. "Congress is making a mistake in thinking the opposition is al Qaeda.”
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/syrian-rebels-are-not-al-qaeda-2013-9#ixzz2f0Ri4CmJ
What's hilarious is that this movement was born out of Arab Spring which is the same movement that influenced Occupy Wall street. Funny how you not down with the cause now. Why do you support propaganda against a people seeking their freedom from a dictator? I thought you were against a government oppressing it's people. Now their all Al Qaeda huh? So we shouldn't help? I guess France should have never helped the United States to gain their freedom. -
i think, while he goes QUITE over the top, that kingblaze is pointing out that while Obama gave a very emotional speech waving the image of dead children, it sounds very hollow when it's only CERTAIN children killed CERTAIN ways that matter. and he wouldn't really need to be in on the beginning or end of the Congo/Sudan/Syria/whatever conflicts for that to matter.FuriousOne wrote: »I did mention getting involved in the Congo a few times on this very topic. Last time i checked, Obama wasn't in office at the begging or end of those Congo or Sudan wars. Obama sent top trainers over there to help train the coalition of African countries that are there now. Those are not foot soldiers, those are 100 hundred of the best trainers and specialists.
speaking of ? Obama should not get credit for, this. the resolution of the Iraq War we got is one that was drawn up under Bush. the best he did was not extend it, and i'll give him that, except that by the time he was in office it basically was what it was.FuriousOne wrote: »I have a feeling that if they don't stick to the script, then they gonna get the stick.. Iraq was obviously a different war that Obama actually ended.
of course, what the Iraq War DID give us was non-president Obama decrying the kinds of things president Obama stated were totally kosher. so that was cool. -
it's actually not very strong evidence and, quite frankly, this is a weaker argument as to why we should stay out of Syria. especially when you consider that you're basically claiming chemical weapons are on the loose.kingblaze84 wrote: »What people still don't understand is why get involved in this conflict when there is strong evidence the rebels used chemical weapons themselves?
brief note: the whole kidnap/? thing is really more of an Assad/regime kind of thing. look it up. i know the "beheading Christians" thing is a LITTLE overrated, but yes, that is not what the regime does.kingblaze84 wrote: »The Al-Qaeda linked rebels are FORCING secular and Christian Syrians to convert or be beheaded. They're kidnapping and ? tons of civilians-
a little tip: closing every argument with this little mini-rant actually undermines your argument a little. just focus on Syria if that's the topic!kingblaze84 wrote: »LOL. America is a sad joke of a nation now. It's many jobs is America's saving grace, and many would debate that.
