The Wrong Nations Won WW2
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kingblaze84 wrote: »Pretty good list all things being considered, but why isn't Britain number one?kingblaze84 wrote: »Also, didn't America ? off way more then France's empires did? I mean as bad as France was, Americans did commit genocide against the natives on a widepread scale and basically almost took a whole continent. I understand many of those killings weren't sanctioned by the American govt-kingblaze84 wrote: »With Russia you used body count and desire to expand, so America should fit the bill in your top 5 list somewhere.kingblaze84 wrote: »Some sources say an estimated 20 million natives were killed by Americans (another 50 million by Europeans who came before or weren't Americans yet)kingblaze84 wrote: »And no mention of Italy? Roman Empire less brutal then the French ones?
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FuriousOne wrote: »To be honest, most of those people died from unchecked disease. I guess you can give them the body count since europeans bought the disease well before the United States was established. Intentional or not, they were the cause.The romans only included outsiders that they deemed necessary ask the people of carthage how roman inclusion worked for them.FuriousOne wrote: »Was the British Concentration Camps meant murder people? You have to school me on those..
of course, to REALLY split hairs, there's also a distinction between ? concentration camps and ? EXTERMINATION camps. but both are worse than the British concept.
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What America did to the Indians predated the Boer wars. Maybe they can be compared to Ghettos rather then concentration camps but the Natives were relocated and restricted to the confines of a particular land which was enforced through arms. They also suffered many deaths early on through various purposeful means in those camps\reservations.
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Rome actually absorbed several nations peacefully. Pergamon, the Kingdom of Numidia (after Roman supporters won a civil war) , some Moorish tribes, a few barbaric tribes and Rhodes. I wish I could find a list of the nations Rome annexed peacefully. Romes biggest period of expansion was at the end of the Republic (Late 2nd century BC to late 1st BC ) to the first 80 or so years of the Empire. While there was of course a lot of conquering goin on, it wasn't all blood and guts. Some chieftains and kings which were long standing allies of Rome "bequeathed" their realms to Rome.
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FuriousOne wrote: »What America did to the Indians predated the Boer wars. Maybe they can be compared to Ghettos rather then concentration camps but the Natives were relocated and restricted to the confines of a particular land which was enforced through arms. They also suffered many deaths early on through various purposeful means in those camps\reservations.
either way the downsides were not planned but clearly there. either way, different than the ? schemes.