Dr. Doom vs. Frieza
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DarkRaiden wrote: »Supreme_Gentleman wrote: »Can doom survive a planet blowing up?
Based on his feats...yeah. His forcefields would effortlessly survive as would his armor.waterproof wrote: »Well Bruce Banner outsmarted Doom in the Fall of The Hulks that had Doom loss his intelligence.
But I'm Riding With DOOOOM the Man who doesn't Kneel to No Man, Celestial or ? !
and I don't know nothing about no DBZ, never followed them but that Sayian lifestyle is the ? . Meditating, Training in Martial Arts, weight lifting, Chi Power I'm down with that.
but other than that Hulk would whoop both they ? , Hulk SMASH Nuff Said!
Intelligencia are the ones that outsmarted Doom to be real....that dumb ray thing was PIS, but it worked.
Also Hulk ain't beating Doom. That's been established.
Don't start that ? Raiden I got Incredible Hulk #606 in front of me Fall of The Hulks arc. Bruce Banner manipulated and out smarted Doom Point Blank Period and let him know that.
In matter of Fact Bruce Banner outsmarted and manipulated all the biggest intellects Reed, Pym, Doom, Tchalla the top 7 and intelligencia in that Arc.
give respect when Respect is due Banner was not to be ? with in that arc -
DarkRaiden wrote: »Supreme_Gentleman wrote: »Can doom survive a planet blowing up?
Based on his feats...yeah. His forcefields would effortlessly survive as would his armor.waterproof wrote: »Well Bruce Banner outsmarted Doom in the Fall of The Hulks that had Doom loss his intelligence.
But I'm Riding With DOOOOM the Man who doesn't Kneel to No Man, Celestial or ? !
and I don't know nothing about no DBZ, never followed them but that Sayian lifestyle is the ? . Meditating, Training in Martial Arts, weight lifting, Chi Power I'm down with that.
but other than that Hulk would whoop both they ? , Hulk SMASH Nuff Said!
Intelligencia are the ones that outsmarted Doom to be real....that dumb ray thing was PIS, but it worked.
Also Hulk ain't beating Doom. That's been established.
what feats of Doom have him tanking a planet blowing up? I'm really interested in this one -
"This isn't even my final form"
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DarkRaiden wrote: »Supreme_Gentleman wrote: »Can doom survive a planet blowing up?
Based on his feats...yeah. His forcefields would effortlessly survive as would his armor.waterproof wrote: »Well Bruce Banner outsmarted Doom in the Fall of The Hulks that had Doom loss his intelligence.
But I'm Riding With DOOOOM the Man who doesn't Kneel to No Man, Celestial or ? !
and I don't know nothing about no DBZ, never followed them but that Sayian lifestyle is the ? . Meditating, Training in Martial Arts, weight lifting, Chi Power I'm down with that.
but other than that Hulk would whoop both they ? , Hulk SMASH Nuff Said!
Intelligencia are the ones that outsmarted Doom to be real....that dumb ray thing was PIS, but it worked.
Also Hulk ain't beating Doom. That's been established.
what feats of Doom have him tanking a planet blowing up? I'm really interested in this one
In his mind, Doom is omnipotent. -
An eraser>>> Doom & Frizia
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Frieza takes this easily. Picture back to him destroying Vegeta pre SSJ Goku. Doom is a supervillian but hardly the ruthless ? that frieza was
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DarkRaiden wrote: »Supreme_Gentleman wrote: »Can doom survive a planet blowing up?
Based on his feats...yeah. His forcefields would effortlessly survive as would his armor.waterproof wrote: »Well Bruce Banner outsmarted Doom in the Fall of The Hulks that had Doom loss his intelligence.
But I'm Riding With DOOOOM the Man who doesn't Kneel to No Man, Celestial or ? !
and I don't know nothing about no DBZ, never followed them but that Sayian lifestyle is the ? . Meditating, Training in Martial Arts, weight lifting, Chi Power I'm down with that.
but other than that Hulk would whoop both they ? , Hulk SMASH Nuff Said!
Intelligencia are the ones that outsmarted Doom to be real....that dumb ray thing was PIS, but it worked.
Also Hulk ain't beating Doom. That's been established.
what feats of Doom have him tanking a planet blowing up? I'm really interested in this one
He has feats of surviving attacks that are >>>>planet blowing up. Like Mjolnir, blasts from the IG, blasts from Celestials, Galactus, Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) and so on. Unless we assume they easy planet busters to galaxy busters were just taking it light on him.
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Itachi beats both
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DarkRaiden wrote: »DarkRaiden wrote: »Supreme_Gentleman wrote: »Can doom survive a planet blowing up?
Based on his feats...yeah. His forcefields would effortlessly survive as would his armor.waterproof wrote: »Well Bruce Banner outsmarted Doom in the Fall of The Hulks that had Doom loss his intelligence.
But I'm Riding With DOOOOM the Man who doesn't Kneel to No Man, Celestial or ? !
and I don't know nothing about no DBZ, never followed them but that Sayian lifestyle is the ? . Meditating, Training in Martial Arts, weight lifting, Chi Power I'm down with that.
but other than that Hulk would whoop both they ? , Hulk SMASH Nuff Said!
Intelligencia are the ones that outsmarted Doom to be real....that dumb ray thing was PIS, but it worked.
Also Hulk ain't beating Doom. That's been established.
what feats of Doom have him tanking a planet blowing up? I'm really interested in this one
He has feats of surviving attacks that are >>>>planet blowing up. Like Mjolnir, blasts from the IG, blasts from Celestials, Galactus, Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) and so on. Unless we assume they easy planet busters to galaxy busters were just taking it light on him.
in other words he has no feats to suggest what you're saying...gotcha -
Oya_Husband wrote: »Itachi beats both
itachi the gawd, but nah..... -
Oya_Husband wrote: »Itachi beats both
itachi the gawd, but nah.....
With the infinite gauntlet he does -
DarkRaiden wrote: »DarkRaiden wrote: »Supreme_Gentleman wrote: »Can doom survive a planet blowing up?
Based on his feats...yeah. His forcefields would effortlessly survive as would his armor.waterproof wrote: »Well Bruce Banner outsmarted Doom in the Fall of The Hulks that had Doom loss his intelligence.
But I'm Riding With DOOOOM the Man who doesn't Kneel to No Man, Celestial or ? !
and I don't know nothing about no DBZ, never followed them but that Sayian lifestyle is the ? . Meditating, Training in Martial Arts, weight lifting, Chi Power I'm down with that.
but other than that Hulk would whoop both they ? , Hulk SMASH Nuff Said!
Intelligencia are the ones that outsmarted Doom to be real....that dumb ray thing was PIS, but it worked.
Also Hulk ain't beating Doom. That's been established.
what feats of Doom have him tanking a planet blowing up? I'm really interested in this one
He has feats of surviving attacks that are >>>>planet blowing up. Like Mjolnir, blasts from the IG, blasts from Celestials, Galactus, Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) and so on. Unless we assume they easy planet busters to galaxy busters were just taking it light on him.
in other words he has no feats to suggest what you're saying...gotcha
So tanking blasts from the infinity gauntlet, Galactus, and Celestials doesn't suggest he can tank a planet busting? Are you aware of how powerful they are? -
DarkRaiden wrote: »DarkRaiden wrote: »DarkRaiden wrote: »Supreme_Gentleman wrote: »Can doom survive a planet blowing up?
Based on his feats...yeah. His forcefields would effortlessly survive as would his armor.waterproof wrote: »Well Bruce Banner outsmarted Doom in the Fall of The Hulks that had Doom loss his intelligence.
But I'm Riding With DOOOOM the Man who doesn't Kneel to No Man, Celestial or ? !
and I don't know nothing about no DBZ, never followed them but that Sayian lifestyle is the ? . Meditating, Training in Martial Arts, weight lifting, Chi Power I'm down with that.
but other than that Hulk would whoop both they ? , Hulk SMASH Nuff Said!
Intelligencia are the ones that outsmarted Doom to be real....that dumb ray thing was PIS, but it worked.
Also Hulk ain't beating Doom. That's been established.
what feats of Doom have him tanking a planet blowing up? I'm really interested in this one
He has feats of surviving attacks that are >>>>planet blowing up. Like Mjolnir, blasts from the IG, blasts from Celestials, Galactus, Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) and so on. Unless we assume they easy planet busters to galaxy busters were just taking it light on him.
in other words he has no feats to suggest what you're saying...gotcha
So tanking blasts from the infinity gauntlet, Galactus, and Celestials doesn't suggest he can tank a planet busting? Are you aware of how powerful they are?
I don't even know why you bother. You've shown many times that you have no clue of what you're talking about. Let's just agree to disagree because this is getting quite boring -
DarkRaiden wrote: »DarkRaiden wrote: »DarkRaiden wrote: »[is uote="Supreme_Gentleman;7409002"]Can doom survive a planet blowing up?
Based on his feats...yeah. His forcefields would effortlessly survive as would his armor.waterproof wrote: »Well Bruce Banner outsmarted Doom in the Fall of The Hulks that had Doom loss his intelligence.
But I'm Riding With DOOOOM the Man who doesn't Kneel to No Man, Celestial or ? !
and I don't know nothing about no DBZ, never followed them but that Sayian lifestyle is the ? . Meditating, Training in Martial Arts, weight lifting, Chi Power I'm down with that.
but other than that Hulk would whoop both they ? , Hulk SMASH Nuff Said!
Intelligencia are the ones that outsmarted Doom to be real....that dumb ray thing was PIS, but it worked.
Also Hulk ain't beating Doom. That's been established.
what feats of Doom have him tanking a planet blowing up? I'm really interested in this one
He has feats of surviving attacks that are >>>>planet blowing up. Like Mjolnir, blasts from the IG, blasts from Celestials, Galactus, Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) and so on. Unless we assume they easy planet busters to galaxy busters were just taking it light on him.
in other words he has no feats to suggest what you're saying...gotcha
So tanking blasts from the infinity gauntlet, Galactus, and Celestials doesn't suggest he can tank a planet busting? Are you aware of how powerful they are?[/quote]
When has Doom tanked blasts from the IG? Do you even know what the word "tank" means? Saying anyone tanked a blast from galactus is moot because big G ranges from universal to being knocked out by Thing. -
DarkRaiden wrote: »DarkRaiden wrote: »DarkRaiden wrote: »Supreme_Gentleman wrote: »Can doom survive a planet blowing up?
Based on his feats...yeah. His forcefields would effortlessly survive as would his armor.waterproof wrote: »Well Bruce Banner outsmarted Doom in the Fall of The Hulks that had Doom loss his intelligence.
But I'm Riding With DOOOOM the Man who doesn't Kneel to No Man, Celestial or ? !
and I don't know nothing about no DBZ, never followed them but that Sayian lifestyle is the ? . Meditating, Training in Martial Arts, weight lifting, Chi Power I'm down with that.
but other than that Hulk would whoop both they ? , Hulk SMASH Nuff Said!
Intelligencia are the ones that outsmarted Doom to be real....that dumb ray thing was PIS, but it worked.
Also Hulk ain't beating Doom. That's been established.
what feats of Doom have him tanking a planet blowing up? I'm really interested in this one
He has feats of surviving attacks that are >>>>planet blowing up. Like Mjolnir, blasts from the IG, blasts from Celestials, Galactus, Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) and so on. Unless we assume they easy planet busters to galaxy busters were just taking it light on him.
in other words he has no feats to suggest what you're saying...gotcha
So tanking blasts from the infinity gauntlet, Galactus, and Celestials doesn't suggest he can tank a planet busting? Are you aware of how powerful they are?
I don't even know why you bother. You've shown many times that you have no clue of what you're talking about. Let's just agree to disagree because this is getting quite boring
So....you don't got an answer. That's what I thought.DarkRaiden wrote: »DarkRaiden wrote: »DarkRaiden wrote: »[is uote="Supreme_Gentleman;7409002"]Can doom survive a planet blowing up?
Based on his feats...yeah. His forcefields would effortlessly survive as would his armor.waterproof wrote: »Well Bruce Banner outsmarted Doom in the Fall of The Hulks that had Doom loss his intelligence.
But I'm Riding With DOOOOM the Man who doesn't Kneel to No Man, Celestial or ? !
and I don't know nothing about no DBZ, never followed them but that Sayian lifestyle is the ? . Meditating, Training in Martial Arts, weight lifting, Chi Power I'm down with that.
but other than that Hulk would whoop both they ? , Hulk SMASH Nuff Said!
Intelligencia are the ones that outsmarted Doom to be real....that dumb ray thing was PIS, but it worked.
Also Hulk ain't beating Doom. That's been established.
what feats of Doom have him tanking a planet blowing up? I'm really interested in this one
He has feats of surviving attacks that are >>>>planet blowing up. Like Mjolnir, blasts from the IG, blasts from Celestials, Galactus, Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) and so on. Unless we assume they easy planet busters to galaxy busters were just taking it light on him.
in other words he has no feats to suggest what you're saying...gotcha
So tanking blasts from the infinity gauntlet, Galactus, and Celestials doesn't suggest he can tank a planet busting? Are you aware of how powerful they are?
When has Doom tanked blasts from the IG? Do you even know what the word "tank" means? Saying anyone tanked a blast from galactus is moot because big G ranges from universal to being knocked out by Thing. [/quote]
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DarkRaiden wrote: »DarkRaiden wrote: »DarkRaiden wrote: »DarkRaiden wrote: »Supreme_Gentleman wrote: »Can doom survive a planet blowing up?
Based on his feats...yeah. His forcefields would effortlessly survive as would his armor.waterproof wrote: »Well Bruce Banner outsmarted Doom in the Fall of The Hulks that had Doom loss his intelligence.
But I'm Riding With DOOOOM the Man who doesn't Kneel to No Man, Celestial or ? !
and I don't know nothing about no DBZ, never followed them but that Sayian lifestyle is the ? . Meditating, Training in Martial Arts, weight lifting, Chi Power I'm down with that.
but other than that Hulk would whoop both they ? , Hulk SMASH Nuff Said!
Intelligencia are the ones that outsmarted Doom to be real....that dumb ray thing was PIS, but it worked.
Also Hulk ain't beating Doom. That's been established.
what feats of Doom have him tanking a planet blowing up? I'm really interested in this one
He has feats of surviving attacks that are >>>>planet blowing up. Like Mjolnir, blasts from the IG, blasts from Celestials, Galactus, Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) and so on. Unless we assume they easy planet busters to galaxy busters were just taking it light on him.
in other words he has no feats to suggest what you're saying...gotcha
So tanking blasts from the infinity gauntlet, Galactus, and Celestials doesn't suggest he can tank a planet busting? Are you aware of how powerful they are?
I don't even know why you bother. You've shown many times that you have no clue of what you're talking about. Let's just agree to disagree because this is getting quite boring
So....you don't got an answer. That's what I thought.DarkRaiden wrote: »DarkRaiden wrote: »DarkRaiden wrote: »[is uote="Supreme_Gentleman;7409002"]Can doom survive a planet blowing up?
Based on his feats...yeah. His forcefields would effortlessly survive as would his armor.
*waterproof wrote: »Well Bruce Banner outsmarted Doom in the Fall of The Hulks that had Doom loss his intelligence.
But I'm Riding With DOOOOM the Man who doesn't Kneel to No Man, Celestial or ? !
and I don't know nothing about no DBZ, never followed them but that Sayian lifestyle is the ? . Meditating, Training in Martial Arts, weight lifting, Chi Power I'm down with that.
but other than that Hulk would whoop both they ? , Hulk SMASH Nuff Said!
Intelligencia are the ones that outsmarted Doom to be real....that dumb ray thing was PIS, but it worked.
Also Hulk ain't beating Doom. That's been established.
what feats of Doom have him tanking a planet blowing up? I'm really interested in this one
He has feats of surviving attacks that are >>>>planet blowing up. Like Mjolnir, blasts from the IG, blasts from Celestials, Galactus, Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) and so on. Unless we assume they easy planet busters to galaxy busters were just taking it light on him.
in other words he has no feats to suggest what you're saying...gotchaDarkRaiden wrote: »So tanking blasts from the infinity gauntlet, Galactus, and Celestials doesn't suggest he can tank a planet busting? Are you aware of how powerful they are?
When has Doom tanked blasts from the IG? Do you even know what the word "tank" means? Saying anyone tanked a blast from galactus is moot because big G ranges from universal to being knocked out by Thing.
But that's only thanos with the Power Gem... -
Lol this is ridiculous. I enjoy the debates the DBZ universe brings out when compared with DC or Marvel.
That said one must realize that even a "weak" DBZ character like Krillin can move faster than light, he can fly and has superhuman strength.
So when we are discussing characters far more powerful than Krillin we are multiplying Krillin's abilities.
So while people question whether Doom can survive a planet busting attack...that's only one of many questions:
-Can Doom deliver an attack that can destroy a planet? (Frieza can survive such attacks)
- Can Doom move faster than light? (DBZ characters use light energy to attack so in order to dodge it you would have to move faster than light)
- is Doom stronger than Frieza using only his hands?
(Frieza can ? enemies with only his bare hands if need be)
Frieza is also a telekinetic and can move objects with only his mind and can transform becoming stronger and faster each time.
Not all characters in the universe of DC or Marvel have the same basic abilities but in the DBZ universe many things characters do like fly and manipulate energy are considered basic techniques.
So what I am saying is..while this sound fun in theory there really isn't much comparison on a real level. Whether it's superman, the hulk, whoever the basic powers of DBZ characters are unlike much seen in their own universe. -
DarkRaiden wrote: »DarkRaiden wrote: »DarkRaiden wrote: »DarkRaiden wrote: »Supreme_Gentleman wrote: »Can doom survive a planet blowing up?
Based on his feats...yeah. His forcefields would effortlessly survive as would his armor.waterproof wrote: »Well Bruce Banner outsmarted Doom in the Fall of The Hulks that had Doom loss his intelligence.
But I'm Riding With DOOOOM the Man who doesn't Kneel to No Man, Celestial or ? !
and I don't know nothing about no DBZ, never followed them but that Sayian lifestyle is the ? . Meditating, Training in Martial Arts, weight lifting, Chi Power I'm down with that.
but other than that Hulk would whoop both they ? , Hulk SMASH Nuff Said!
Intelligencia are the ones that outsmarted Doom to be real....that dumb ray thing was PIS, but it worked.
Also Hulk ain't beating Doom. That's been established.
what feats of Doom have him tanking a planet blowing up? I'm really interested in this one
He has feats of surviving attacks that are >>>>planet blowing up. Like Mjolnir, blasts from the IG, blasts from Celestials, Galactus, Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) and so on. Unless we assume they easy planet busters to galaxy busters were just taking it light on him.
in other words he has no feats to suggest what you're saying...gotcha
So tanking blasts from the infinity gauntlet, Galactus, and Celestials doesn't suggest he can tank a planet busting? Are you aware of how powerful they are?
I don't even know why you bother. You've shown many times that you have no clue of what you're talking about. Let's just agree to disagree because this is getting quite boring
So....you don't got an answer. That's what I thought.DarkRaiden wrote: »DarkRaiden wrote: »DarkRaiden wrote: »[is uote="Supreme_Gentleman;7409002"]Can doom survive a planet blowing up?
Based on his feats...yeah. His forcefields would effortlessly survive as would his armor.waterproof wrote: »Well Bruce Banner outsmarted Doom in the Fall of The Hulks that had Doom loss his intelligence.
But I'm Riding With DOOOOM the Man who doesn't Kneel to No Man, Celestial or ? !
and I don't know nothing about no DBZ, never followed them but that Sayian lifestyle is the ? . Meditating, Training in Martial Arts, weight lifting, Chi Power I'm down with that.
but other than that Hulk would whoop both they ? , Hulk SMASH Nuff Said!
Intelligencia are the ones that outsmarted Doom to be real....that dumb ray thing was PIS, but it worked.
Also Hulk ain't beating Doom. That's been established.
what feats of Doom have him tanking a planet blowing up? I'm really interested in this one
He has feats of surviving attacks that are >>>>planet blowing up. Like Mjolnir, blasts from the IG, blasts from Celestials, Galactus, Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) and so on. Unless we assume they easy planet busters to galaxy busters were just taking it light on him.
in other words he has no feats to suggest what you're saying...gotcha
So tanking blasts from the infinity gauntlet, Galactus, and Celestials doesn't suggest he can tank a planet busting? Are you aware of how powerful they are?
When has Doom tanked blasts from the IG? Do you even know what the word "tank" means? Saying anyone tanked a blast from galactus is moot because big G ranges from universal to being knocked out by Thing.[/quote]
Where does it say that was a "planet busting" blast? Just because the Power Gem can generate that much power doesn't mean Thanos was using that much power with every attack. -
Lol this is ridiculous. I enjoy the debates the DBZ universe brings out when compared with DC or Marvel.
That said one must realize that even a "weak" DBZ character like Krillin can move faster than light, he can fly and has superhuman strength.
So when we are discussing characters far more powerful than Krillin we are multiplying Krillin's abilities.
So while people question whether Doom can survive a planet busting attack...that's only one of many questions:
-Can Doom deliver an attack that can destroy a planet? (Frieza can survive such attacks)
- Can Doom move faster than light? (DBZ characters use light energy to attack so in order to dodge it you would have to move faster than light)
- is Doom stronger than Frieza using only his hands?
(Frieza can ? enemies with only his bare hands if need be)
Frieza is also a telekinetic and can move objects with only his mind and can transform becoming stronger and faster each time.
Not all characters in the universe of DC or Marvel have the same basic abilities but in the DBZ universe many things characters do like fly and manipulate energy are considered basic techniques.
So what I am saying is..while this sound fun in theory there really isn't much comparison on a real level. Whether it's superman, the hulk, whoever the basic powers of DBZ characters are unlike much seen in their own universe.
Y'all/Your DBZ arguments aren't making much sense. Explain why Goku died when Cell exploded if they can survive planet busting attacks.
Exhibit A:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddxo3k6qOFY
If they move multiple times light speed why is the crowd and the announcer able to catch any of their moves?
Exhibit B:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skk6MBoejgU
If they have this unparalleled strength, why did Goku have to power up to lift 40 tons?
Exhibit C:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stXKnFYHNm4
It seems like y'all are just saying things with no backing.
That other guy actually said DBZ operates on a different level than Marvel and DC, as if ? doesn't exist in the Marvel and DC. Not to mention, far weaker entities like Death. -
This is out of context considering Goku was in a weakened state at the time. He had expended all his energy fighting Cell in his Perfect state.NothingButTheTruth wrote: »Lol this is ridiculous. I enjoy the debates the DBZ universe brings out when compared with DC or Marvel.
That said one must realize that even a "weak" DBZ character like Krillin can move faster than light, he can fly and has superhuman strength.
So when we are discussing characters far more powerful than Krillin we are multiplying Krillin's abilities.
So while people question whether Doom can survive a planet busting attack...that's only one of many questions:
-Can Doom deliver an attack that can destroy a planet? (Frieza can survive such attacks)
- Can Doom move faster than light? (DBZ characters use light energy to attack so in order to dodge it you would have to move faster than light)
- is Doom stronger than Frieza using only his hands?
(Frieza can ? enemies with only his bare hands if need be)
Frieza is also a telekinetic and can move objects with only his mind and can transform becoming stronger and faster each time.
Not all characters in the universe of DC or Marvel have the same basic abilities but in the DBZ universe many things characters do like fly and manipulate energy are considered basic techniques.
So what I am saying is..while this sound fun in theory there really isn't much comparison on a real level. Whether it's superman, the hulk, whoever the basic powers of DBZ characters are unlike much seen in their own universe.
Y'all/Your DBZ arguments aren't making much sense. Explain why Goku died when Cell exploded if they can survive planet busting attacks.
Exhibit A:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddxo3k6qOFY
That said, early in the series Vegeta tries to destroy the Earth with his Galic Gun attack (which Vegeta could do) and Goku overpowered it with his kamehaha (using the kaioken times 4).
Mind you this is BASE Vegeta and Goku without the Super Saiyan transformations
http://youtu.be/QwR0qwPZeig
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If they move multiple times light speed why is the crowd and the announcer able to catch any of their moves?
Exhibit B:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skk6MBoejgU
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So you ignore all the times they couldn't to point out one time they did? In the Cell Games the humans barely even saw flashes of light. In fact, one of the running gags on the show is Hercule (Mr. Satan) claiming they were magicians and illusionists who use light tricks and fake explosions.
But it's right here: Goku & Piccolo vs Raditz within the first few episodes of DBZ Raditz shows an ability to be faster than light, considering Raditz is both weak and slow relative to the development of other characters later it stands to reason that all Z fighters stronger and faster than Raditz are faster than the speed of light. Time: 4:50
http://youtu.be/vbiRcpY52QU
You say this like 40 tons is easy to lift and the fact he powered up is irrelevant because...well he lifted it. He also trained in 100xs Earth's gravity (which means his body weight multiplied many times over), he transformed and the Earth rumbled and almost split in two (he was in the air at the time by the way).If they have this unparalleled strength, why did Goku have to power up to lift 40 tons?
Exhibit C:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stXKnFYHNm4
And in the case of Frieza he ripped a guys arm completely off using only one hand and in his weakest state.
And everything I states Frieza can do he has done and you can go watch it happen.
[/quote]It seems like y'all are just saying things with no backing.
That other guy actually said DBZ operates on a different level than Marvel and DC, as if ? doesn't exist in the Marvel and DC. Not to mention, far weaker entities like Death.
It does, and I explained this already. DBZ characters are wildly overpowered.
I saw you mention comparisons like these are banned on comic sites...well comparing DBZ to Marvel and DC characters is also banned on a lot of DBZ fan pages as well.
DBZ is a closed story, which means it's over. Nobody is getting any new powers or abilities (the DBZ movies are not canon) while DC and Marvel characters gain more powers every few years. -
40 ton is paper weight considering Hulk did this in a much weaker state:
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DarkRaiden wrote: »DarkRaiden wrote: »DarkRaiden wrote: »DarkRaiden wrote: »Supreme_Gentleman wrote: »Can doom survive a planet blowing up?
Based on his feats...yeah. His forcefields would effortlessly survive as would his armor.waterproof wrote: »Well Bruce Banner outsmarted Doom in the Fall of The Hulks that had Doom loss his intelligence.
But I'm Riding With DOOOOM the Man who doesn't Kneel to No Man, Celestial or ? !
and I don't know nothing about no DBZ, never followed them but that Sayian lifestyle is the ? . Meditating, Training in Martial Arts, weight lifting, Chi Power I'm down with that.
but other than that Hulk would whoop both they ? , Hulk SMASH Nuff Said!
Intelligencia are the ones that outsmarted Doom to be real....that dumb ray thing was PIS, but it worked.
Also Hulk ain't beating Doom. That's been established.
what feats of Doom have him tanking a planet blowing up? I'm really interested in this one
He has feats of surviving attacks that are >>>>planet blowing up. Like Mjolnir, blasts from the IG, blasts from Celestials, Galactus, Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) and so on. Unless we assume they easy planet busters to galaxy busters were just taking it light on him.
in other words he has no feats to suggest what you're saying...gotcha
So tanking blasts from the infinity gauntlet, Galactus, and Celestials doesn't suggest he can tank a planet busting? Are you aware of how powerful they are?
I don't even know why you bother. You've shown many times that you have no clue of what you're talking about. Let's just agree to disagree because this is getting quite boring
So....you don't got an answer. That's what I thought.DarkRaiden wrote: »DarkRaiden wrote: »DarkRaiden wrote: »[is uote="Supreme_Gentleman;7409002"]Can doom survive a planet blowing up?
Based on his feats...yeah. His forcefields would effortlessly survive as would his armor.
*waterproof wrote: »Well Bruce Banner outsmarted Doom in the Fall of The Hulks that had Doom loss his intelligence.
But I'm Riding With DOOOOM the Man who doesn't Kneel to No Man, Celestial or ? !
and I don't know nothing about no DBZ, never followed them but that Sayian lifestyle is the ? . Meditating, Training in Martial Arts, weight lifting, Chi Power I'm down with that.
but other than that Hulk would whoop both they ? , Hulk SMASH Nuff Said!
Intelligencia are the ones that outsmarted Doom to be real....that dumb ray thing was PIS, but it worked.
Also Hulk ain't beating Doom. That's been established.
what feats of Doom have him tanking a planet blowing up? I'm really interested in this one
He has feats of surviving attacks that are >>>>planet blowing up. Like Mjolnir, blasts from the IG, blasts from Celestials, Galactus, Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) and so on. Unless we assume they easy planet busters to galaxy busters were just taking it light on him.
in other words he has no feats to suggest what you're saying...gotchaDarkRaiden wrote: »So tanking blasts from the infinity gauntlet, Galactus, and Celestials doesn't suggest he can tank a planet busting? Are you aware of how powerful they are?
When has Doom tanked blasts from the IG? Do you even know what the word "tank" means? Saying anyone tanked a blast from galactus is moot because big G ranges from universal to being knocked out by Thing.
But that's only thanos with the Power Gem...
The Power Gem provides the actual....power of the IG. It allows INFINITE POWER. That's the only gem that matters when being blasted.The Lonious Monk wrote: »
Where does it say that was a "planet busting" blast? Just because the Power Gem can generate that much power doesn't mean Thanos was using that much power with every attack.
See the word "wrath"? That means Thanos was angry. With the power to destroy Universes. Yet you think he held back SOOOOO much, that it wasn't even planet busting?
Hell let's go deeper. Thanos has destroyed planets WITHOUT the Infinity Gauntlet just by clashing with a weaker opponent. But when he has the Power Gem....that's when he holds back his energy blasts to be WEAKER THAN HIS OWN BLASTS SANS THE GAUNTLET/GEM? The logic of that makes no sense.
Also.....not sure if you're arguing for DBZ or have argued for any comic book character, but 99% of attacks don't have a stated 'planet buster' on it. Including attacks by galaxy and universe busters. -
40 ton is paper weight considering Hulk did this in a much weaker state:
Bruce Banner cannot lift 40 tons but The Hulk can. Goku in base level couldn't lift 40 tons but in his transformed state it was light work.
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It does, and I explained this already. DBZ characters are wildly overpowered.
I saw you mention comparisons like these are banned on comic sites...well comparing DBZ to Marvel and DC characters is also banned on a lot of DBZ fan pages as well.
DBZ is a closed story, which means it's over. Nobody is getting any new powers or abilities (the DBZ movies are not canon) while DC and Marvel characters gain more powers every few years.
DBZ characters are not wildly overpowered compared to comic books. If they can die, then Death, an entity in the comic book world is stronger than them. Not to mention, characters like the One Above All that resembles THE ? of all gods, who can change all reality for any and everybody. Characters like these automatically place the comic book world over any DBZ ? . DBZ doesn't begin to reach that level.
You say this like 40 tons is easy to lift and the fact he powered up is irrelevant because...well he lifted it. He also trained in 100xs Earth's gravity (which means his body weight multiplied many times over), he transformed and the Earth rumbled and almost split in two (he was in the air at the time by the way).
And in the case of Frieza he ripped a guys arm completely off using only one hand and in his weakest state.
And everything I states Frieza can do he has done and you can go watch it happen.
40 tons is extremely easy to lift in the comic book world, and this was a simple counter to your inane description of DBZ character's physical ability. My clip was much closer towards the end of the show, so the earlier clips are at least overshadowed.
For reference, Superman's strength is labeled in the quintillion tons which is 10 to the 18th power, and Superman doesn't rank too high in the comic book world.This is out of context considering Goku was in a weakened state at the time. He had expended all his energy fighting Cell in his Perfect state.
That said, early in the series Vegeta tries to destroy the Earth with his Galic Gun attack (which Vegeta could do) and Goku overpowered it with his kamehaha (using the kaioken times 4).
Mind you this is BASE Vegeta and Goku without the Super Saiyan transformations
So you ignore all the times they couldn't to point out one time they did? In the Cell Games the humans barely even saw flashes of light. In fact, one of the running gags on the show is Hercule (Mr. Satan) claiming they were magicians and illusionists who use light tricks and fake explosions.
But it's right here: Goku & Piccolo vs Raditz within the first few episodes of DBZ Raditz shows an ability to be faster than light, considering Raditz is both weak and slow relative to the development of other characters later it stands to reason that all Z fighters stronger and faster than Raditz are faster than the speed of light. Time: 4:50
One thing you're avoiding is all of my examples were post Frieza and closer to the end of the show, while yours are at the beginning of the show.
So conclusively, what have we learned:
DBZ is filled with contradictions, in which they have no base to stand on, because they change ? up every episode.
If you don't want to settle for that brief statement which already destroys any argument for them, my videos are much more recent, therefore they would hold precedent over the ancient ? you posted. Based on the storyline, the people in the video you showed aren't even 1/4th as strong as the people in the scenes I showed, and yet they were "supposedly" moving faster, stronger physically etc.
The comic world has entities like the One Above All, Living Tribunal and others that can erase or change the very existence of any and everything placing them far above the DBZ world.
Checkmate.
