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  • kingblaze84
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    (Nope) wrote: »
    janklow wrote: »
    America helped ? millions in Vietnam over communism, close to a million killed in Iraq for no good reason-
    instead of going on, you MIGHT want to pause there and check these numbers


    America helped the south Vietnamese govt ? a whole bunch of people, including civilians using bombs that are exploding in Vietnam till this day. If you mean America didn't ? by itself millions in Vietnam, then I'll concede that.

    Still though, the numbers don't look good for America considering it wasn't a necessary war for America at all

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War_casualties#Deaths_caused_by_the_American_military

    18.2 million gallons of Agent Orange (Dioxin) was sprayed by the U.S. military over more than 10% of Southern Vietnam,[29] as part of the U.S. herbicidal warfare program, Operation Ranch Hand, during the Vietnam War from 1961 to 1971. Vietnam's government claimed that 400,000 people were killed or maimed as a result of after effects, and that 500,000 children were born with birth defects.[30]

    --That's a lot of children with birth defects.....smh

    It was not just Nam, they campaigned in Southeastern Asia in the 50's and essentially committed genocide in order to stop the spread of communism--or so they thought. I've read the overall numbers are that high.

    Zombie, how did the first Indochina war or Vietnam benefit America?



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    Yeah I believe America used Agent Orange and bombed out hundreds of thousands in Cambodia and Laos too. All this to stop an economic system? Disgraceful, America in the end lost because it didn't gain much for all the hundreds of billions it spent, only weapons manufacturers and the crooks who supported the war made a lot. And Vietnam became a communist nation in the end, now it's not much different, socialist.
  • kingblaze84
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    janklow wrote: »
    America helped the south Vietnamese govt ? a whole bunch of people, including civilians using bombs that are exploding in Vietnam till this day. If you mean America didn't ? by itself millions in Vietnam, then I'll concede that.
    well, what i am really referring to is "the Vietnam War didn't ? millions of people" period

    as far as the necessary thing, in retrospect this is true, but at the time i imagine you could make a much stronger case for it (as well as for prosecuting it more effectively)

    The Vietnam War did ? millions of people, are you joking around? 2.2 million Vietnamese civilians died alone, nevermind the hundreds of thousands of troops killed
  • kingblaze84
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    zombie wrote: »

    Yes the usa fought the veitnam war for good reasons, we wanted the stop the spread of communism which we believed to be a totally evil system and south veitnam asked for our help and that's how we got involved further justifying our involvement.

    The land is belongs to israel it was PROMISED to them by the british after the british defeated the OTTOMAN EMPIRE. After ww2 the jews finally had a home, israel was finally reborn with the co sign of the U.N and the U.K. Had the arab muslims not been so aggressive israel would be an even smaller nation. but the jews soon learned that in order to stay safe they had to take land because the arabs would not stop invading them every couple of years. The stupid thing is that the arabs keep getting washed the ? up even when they had the support of the soviet union they still could not win.

    The arabs muslims are in a lose lose situation the more they ? christians the more it becomes worse for them the western world is turning against islam period, and the funny thing is these fools are killing themselves off more than america and israel could ever do.

    you always go on and on about reputation and the people in the region liking us. ? ? that they don't have to like us and they are not going to ever like us. The religion they follow is against being friends with non-muslims unless you are trying to convert them AND AT THIS POINT it's too late to look for love anyway.

    Well attitudes like that for Israelis, Jews and Christians will be an absolute disaster for you guys in the Middle East. Yeah Muslims hurt their cause by killing each other so much but they're still the majority in the Middle East, while they're chasing Jews and Christians out of the Middle East. That tension is coming to Europe in fact it is there already.

    And you think reputation doesn't matter? HAHA yeah is that why America had to evacuate its whole embassy staff in Yemen this weekend? Al-Qaeda took over a whole city in Yemen a few days ago, reputation does matter, and America's reputation in that part of the world is getting worse. OH, and $500 million dollars worth of American guns and equipment was stolen from Yemen govt offices. Hmm, I wonder where those things are now
  • zombie
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    zombie wrote: »

    Yes the usa fought the veitnam war for good reasons, we wanted the stop the spread of communism which we believed to be a totally evil system and south veitnam asked for our help and that's how we got involved further justifying our involvement.

    The land is belongs to israel it was PROMISED to them by the british after the british defeated the OTTOMAN EMPIRE. After ww2 the jews finally had a home, israel was finally reborn with the co sign of the U.N and the U.K. Had the arab muslims not been so aggressive israel would be an even smaller nation. but the jews soon learned that in order to stay safe they had to take land because the arabs would not stop invading them every couple of years. The stupid thing is that the arabs keep getting washed the ? up even when they had the support of the soviet union they still could not win.

    The arabs muslims are in a lose lose situation the more they ? christians the more it becomes worse for them the western world is turning against islam period, and the funny thing is these fools are killing themselves off more than america and israel could ever do.

    you always go on and on about reputation and the people in the region liking us. ? ? that they don't have to like us and they are not going to ever like us. The religion they follow is against being friends with non-muslims unless you are trying to convert them AND AT THIS POINT it's too late to look for love anyway.

    Well attitudes like that for Israelis, Jews and Christians will be an absolute disaster for you guys in the Middle East. Yeah Muslims hurt their cause by killing each other so much but they're still the majority in the Middle East, while they're chasing Jews and Christians out of the Middle East. That tension is coming to Europe in fact it is there already.

    And you think reputation doesn't matter? HAHA yeah is that why America had to evacuate its whole embassy staff in Yemen this weekend? Al-Qaeda took over a whole city in Yemen a few days ago, reputation does matter, and America's reputation in that part of the world is getting worse. OH, and $500 million dollars worth of American guns and equipment was stolen from Yemen govt offices. Hmm, I wonder where those things are now

    Our reputation cannot be salvaged in the middle east so crying about it won't fix anything. And what happened in Yemen was a internal eruption within there society. It only hurts them not us because if there is a civil war in Yemen only they will be dying and there probably going to use our weapons to do the killing but this really has more of a negative effect on them not us.

    There is a growing anti Islam movement in Europe the killings and destructive nature of these Islamic group only serves to hurt themselves in the long run.
  • kingblaze84
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    zombie wrote: »
    zombie wrote: »

    Yes the usa fought the veitnam war for good reasons, we wanted the stop the spread of communism which we believed to be a totally evil system and south veitnam asked for our help and that's how we got involved further justifying our involvement.

    The land is belongs to israel it was PROMISED to them by the british after the british defeated the OTTOMAN EMPIRE. After ww2 the jews finally had a home, israel was finally reborn with the co sign of the U.N and the U.K. Had the arab muslims not been so aggressive israel would be an even smaller nation. but the jews soon learned that in order to stay safe they had to take land because the arabs would not stop invading them every couple of years. The stupid thing is that the arabs keep getting washed the ? up even when they had the support of the soviet union they still could not win.

    The arabs muslims are in a lose lose situation the more they ? christians the more it becomes worse for them the western world is turning against islam period, and the funny thing is these fools are killing themselves off more than america and israel could ever do.

    you always go on and on about reputation and the people in the region liking us. ? ? that they don't have to like us and they are not going to ever like us. The religion they follow is against being friends with non-muslims unless you are trying to convert them AND AT THIS POINT it's too late to look for love anyway.

    Well attitudes like that for Israelis, Jews and Christians will be an absolute disaster for you guys in the Middle East. Yeah Muslims hurt their cause by killing each other so much but they're still the majority in the Middle East, while they're chasing Jews and Christians out of the Middle East. That tension is coming to Europe in fact it is there already.

    And you think reputation doesn't matter? HAHA yeah is that why America had to evacuate its whole embassy staff in Yemen this weekend? Al-Qaeda took over a whole city in Yemen a few days ago, reputation does matter, and America's reputation in that part of the world is getting worse. OH, and $500 million dollars worth of American guns and equipment was stolen from Yemen govt offices. Hmm, I wonder where those things are now

    Our reputation cannot be salvaged in the middle east so crying about it won't fix anything. And what happened in Yemen was a internal eruption within there society. It only hurts them not us because if there is a civil war in Yemen only they will be dying and there probably going to use our weapons to do the killing but this really has more of a negative effect on them not us.

    There is a growing anti Islam movement in Europe the killings and destructive nature of these Islamic group only serves to hurt themselves in the long run.

    You think America's reputation can't be improved, so we should keep doing the same things that helps make America one of the most hated nations in the world?? Recipe for disaster, there are levels to hatred, and America's actions worldwide are bringing those levels higher and higher. I'd rather America keep a low level of hatred then an ever growing one.

    And the anti-Islam movement in Europe means nothing because there is an anti-Christian, Jew, and west movement in much of the world now LOL. The policies you support are helping make the lives of Christians and Jews in the Middle East even more brutal and crazy, great irony in that the Middle East is the birthplace of Judaism and Christianity. And look what it's ready to bring to Europe, thanks to the evil policies of the west, America, and Israel in the Middle East

    http://news.yahoo.com/france-faces-unprecedented-terror-threat-officials-060224315.html

    France faces 'unprecedented' terror threat, say officials

    --As far as Yemen, you don't think the people who took those $500 million dollars worth of weapons are gonna sell them to ISIS and Al-Qaeda?? What happened in Yemen will effect the idiots in America's govt, remember when Obama said Al-Qaeda was on the run???? WELLLL...........they took Yemen's 3rd largest city this weekend. Al-Qaeda, thanks to worldwide outrage of the evil of America's policies, is GROWING EXPONENTIALLY. And I fully expect and PREDICT ISIS and Al-Qaeda will grow into an even larger force as America's support of apartheid and terrorism continues. Let's hope America doesn't face what France is looking at now.
  • zombie
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    zombie wrote: »
    zombie wrote: »

    Yes the usa fought the veitnam war for good reasons, we wanted the stop the spread of communism which we believed to be a totally evil system and south veitnam asked for our help and that's how we got involved further justifying our involvement.

    The land is belongs to israel it was PROMISED to them by the british after the british defeated the OTTOMAN EMPIRE. After ww2 the jews finally had a home, israel was finally reborn with the co sign of the U.N and the U.K. Had the arab muslims not been so aggressive israel would be an even smaller nation. but the jews soon learned that in order to stay safe they had to take land because the arabs would not stop invading them every couple of years. The stupid thing is that the arabs keep getting washed the ? up even when they had the support of the soviet union they still could not win.

    The arabs muslims are in a lose lose situation the more they ? christians the more it becomes worse for them the western world is turning against islam period, and the funny thing is these fools are killing themselves off more than america and israel could ever do.

    you always go on and on about reputation and the people in the region liking us. ? ? that they don't have to like us and they are not going to ever like us. The religion they follow is against being friends with non-muslims unless you are trying to convert them AND AT THIS POINT it's too late to look for love anyway.

    Well attitudes like that for Israelis, Jews and Christians will be an absolute disaster for you guys in the Middle East. Yeah Muslims hurt their cause by killing each other so much but they're still the majority in the Middle East, while they're chasing Jews and Christians out of the Middle East. That tension is coming to Europe in fact it is there already.

    And you think reputation doesn't matter? HAHA yeah is that why America had to evacuate its whole embassy staff in Yemen this weekend? Al-Qaeda took over a whole city in Yemen a few days ago, reputation does matter, and America's reputation in that part of the world is getting worse. OH, and $500 million dollars worth of American guns and equipment was stolen from Yemen govt offices. Hmm, I wonder where those things are now

    Our reputation cannot be salvaged in the middle east so crying about it won't fix anything. And what happened in Yemen was a internal eruption within there society. It only hurts them not us because if there is a civil war in Yemen only they will be dying and there probably going to use our weapons to do the killing but this really has more of a negative effect on them not us.

    There is a growing anti Islam movement in Europe the killings and destructive nature of these Islamic group only serves to hurt themselves in the long run.

    You think America's reputation can't be improved, so we should keep doing the same things that helps make America one of the most hated nations in the world?? Recipe for disaster, there are levels to hatred, and America's actions worldwide are bringing those levels higher and higher. I'd rather America keep a low level of hatred then an ever growing one.

    And the anti-Islam movement in Europe means nothing because there is an anti-Christian, Jew, and west movement in much of the world now LOL. The policies you support are helping make the lives of Christians and Jews in the Middle East even more brutal and crazy, great irony in that the Middle East is the birthplace of Judaism and Christianity. And look what it's ready to bring to Europe, thanks to the evil policies of the west, America, and Israel in the Middle East

    http://news.yahoo.com/france-faces-unprecedented-terror-threat-officials-060224315.html

    France faces 'unprecedented' terror threat, say officials

    --As far as Yemen, you don't think the people who took those $500 million dollars worth of weapons are gonna sell them to ISIS and Al-Qaeda?? What happened in Yemen will effect the idiots in America's govt, remember when Obama said Al-Qaeda was on the run???? WELLLL...........they took Yemen's 3rd largest city this weekend. Al-Qaeda, thanks to worldwide outrage of the evil of America's policies, is GROWING EXPONENTIALLY. And I fully expect and PREDICT ISIS and Al-Qaeda will grow into an even larger force as America's support of apartheid and terrorism continues. Let's hope America doesn't face what France is looking at now.

    I think since we can't mend our reputation in the middle east we should focus on our interests there and ? whoever does not like it.

    You talk about an anti Christian movements in Europe, lol. ? there are anti- muslim marches all over Europe now European governments are becoming more right wing with every election. Those crazy Muslims are only making ? harder on themselves. Yes life for Christians in the middle east sucks right now but Muslims are being killed in tripple the number. The 500 million worth of weapons will mostly be used to ? other Muslims.

    Every terror attack in Europe only bring Europeans closer to my side ideologicaly.
  • kingblaze84
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    zombie wrote: »
    zombie wrote: »
    zombie wrote: »

    Yes the usa fought the veitnam war for good reasons, we wanted the stop the spread of communism which we believed to be a totally evil system and south veitnam asked for our help and that's how we got involved further justifying our involvement.

    The land is belongs to israel it was PROMISED to them by the british after the british defeated the OTTOMAN EMPIRE. After ww2 the jews finally had a home, israel was finally reborn with the co sign of the U.N and the U.K. Had the arab muslims not been so aggressive israel would be an even smaller nation. but the jews soon learned that in order to stay safe they had to take land because the arabs would not stop invading them every couple of years. The stupid thing is that the arabs keep getting washed the ? up even when they had the support of the soviet union they still could not win.

    The arabs muslims are in a lose lose situation the more they ? christians the more it becomes worse for them the western world is turning against islam period, and the funny thing is these fools are killing themselves off more than america and israel could ever do.

    you always go on and on about reputation and the people in the region liking us. ? ? that they don't have to like us and they are not going to ever like us. The religion they follow is against being friends with non-muslims unless you are trying to convert them AND AT THIS POINT it's too late to look for love anyway.

    Well attitudes like that for Israelis, Jews and Christians will be an absolute disaster for you guys in the Middle East. Yeah Muslims hurt their cause by killing each other so much but they're still the majority in the Middle East, while they're chasing Jews and Christians out of the Middle East. That tension is coming to Europe in fact it is there already.

    And you think reputation doesn't matter? HAHA yeah is that why America had to evacuate its whole embassy staff in Yemen this weekend? Al-Qaeda took over a whole city in Yemen a few days ago, reputation does matter, and America's reputation in that part of the world is getting worse. OH, and $500 million dollars worth of American guns and equipment was stolen from Yemen govt offices. Hmm, I wonder where those things are now

    Our reputation cannot be salvaged in the middle east so crying about it won't fix anything. And what happened in Yemen was a internal eruption within there society. It only hurts them not us because if there is a civil war in Yemen only they will be dying and there probably going to use our weapons to do the killing but this really has more of a negative effect on them not us.

    There is a growing anti Islam movement in Europe the killings and destructive nature of these Islamic group only serves to hurt themselves in the long run.

    You think America's reputation can't be improved, so we should keep doing the same things that helps make America one of the most hated nations in the world?? Recipe for disaster, there are levels to hatred, and America's actions worldwide are bringing those levels higher and higher. I'd rather America keep a low level of hatred then an ever growing one.

    And the anti-Islam movement in Europe means nothing because there is an anti-Christian, Jew, and west movement in much of the world now LOL. The policies you support are helping make the lives of Christians and Jews in the Middle East even more brutal and crazy, great irony in that the Middle East is the birthplace of Judaism and Christianity. And look what it's ready to bring to Europe, thanks to the evil policies of the west, America, and Israel in the Middle East

    http://news.yahoo.com/france-faces-unprecedented-terror-threat-officials-060224315.html

    France faces 'unprecedented' terror threat, say officials

    --As far as Yemen, you don't think the people who took those $500 million dollars worth of weapons are gonna sell them to ISIS and Al-Qaeda?? What happened in Yemen will effect the idiots in America's govt, remember when Obama said Al-Qaeda was on the run???? WELLLL...........they took Yemen's 3rd largest city this weekend. Al-Qaeda, thanks to worldwide outrage of the evil of America's policies, is GROWING EXPONENTIALLY. And I fully expect and PREDICT ISIS and Al-Qaeda will grow into an even larger force as America's support of apartheid and terrorism continues. Let's hope America doesn't face what France is looking at now.

    I think since we can't mend our reputation in the middle east we should focus on our interests there and ? whoever does not like it.

    You talk about an anti Christian movements in Europe, lol. ? there are anti- muslim marches all over Europe now European governments are becoming more right wing with every election. Those crazy Muslims are only making ? harder on themselves. Yes life for Christians in the middle east sucks right now but Muslims are being killed in tripple the number. The 500 million worth of weapons will mostly be used to ? other Muslims.

    Every terror attack in Europe only bring Europeans closer to my side ideologicaly.

    No one said anything about an anti-Christian movement in Europe dum dum, I said there is an anti-Christian and Israeli/Jew movement growing in the world in general because of the west and Israel's policies. Muslims are being killed in larger numbers but it doesn't mean bad things can't happen here and in Europe. The 500 million worth of weapons will be used to mostly ? other Muslims AND be used to help grow Al-Qaeda and its affiliates, including ISIS. That means it's going to be even harder for America and its allies to stop the growth of those groups.

    You are right in that any terror attack in Europe and here will bring some people to your ideology, but Europe is too broke and unwilling to fight neverending wars the way America is. There will come a day America will be too broke to fight these neverending wars too, nothing lasts forever. And plus, Islam is one of the fastest growing religions in the world, ? off 1.6 billion Muslims around the world isn't gonna get America or Europe anywhere. As time goes on, this will become more obvious to you.
  • zombie
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    Did you read your post??? YOU clearly said that there are anti Christian movements in Europe. Now you want to flip flop on your words.

    Islam being the fastest growing religion is ? because there is no way to verify that. No matter how big those groups get they will never be given world wide acceptance as a real state. The wars will continue for as long as they need to. A bad European economy will only increase anti Islamic feelings in Europe. In fact many Europeans want to expel Islam from Europe. ? Islam.
  • kingblaze84
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    zombie wrote: »
    Did you read your post??? YOU clearly said that there are anti Christian movements in Europe. Now you want to flip flop on your words.

    Islam being the fastest growing religion is ? because there is no way to verify that. No matter how big those groups get they will never be given world wide acceptance as a real state. The wars will continue for as long as they need to. A bad European economy will only increase anti Islamic feelings in Europe. In fact many Europeans want to expel Islam from Europe. ? Islam.

    UMM no I didn't, I said there is an anti-Christian movement in the world in general, I didn't say specifically Europe.

    As far as Islam growing, I said it's ONE of the fastest growing religions in the world, and sociologists around the world claim Islam IS the fastest growing religion. I won't get into that debate but I'll just say ? off 1.6 billion Muslims around the world by supporting Israeli terrorism and committing horrible war crimes like those in Iraq aren't helping Europeans or Americans become more safe. It's making us less safe.....as Islam and its members grow and grow, efforts must be made to become more friendly with them. Even the president of France admitted that last month. So did Britain's president. It makes mathematical sense to do so.......

    And you can say ? Islam all day long, I hate all Abrahamic religions, but the reality is the world can't ? 1.6 billion Muslims. If even 15% of those Muslims join extremist groups, America and its broke European allies will become more and more bankrupt fighting a war that will never end. Remember how bad Christians lost the Crusades.
  • zombie
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    zombie wrote: »
    Did you read your post??? YOU clearly said that there are anti Christian movements in Europe. Now you want to flip flop on your words.

    Islam being the fastest growing religion is ? because there is no way to verify that. No matter how big those groups get they will never be given world wide acceptance as a real state. The wars will continue for as long as they need to. A bad European economy will only increase anti Islamic feelings in Europe. In fact many Europeans want to expel Islam from Europe. ? Islam.

    UMM no I didn't, I said there is an anti-Christian movement in the world in general, I didn't say specifically Europe.

    As far as Islam growing, I said it's ONE of the fastest growing religions in the world, and sociologists around the world claim Islam IS the fastest growing religion. I won't get into that debate but I'll just say ? off 1.6 billion Muslims around the world by supporting Israeli terrorism and committing horrible war crimes like those in Iraq aren't helping Europeans or Americans become more safe. It's making us less safe.....as Islam and its members grow and grow, efforts must be made to become more friendly with them. Even the president of France admitted that last month. So did Britain's president. It makes mathematical sense to do so.......

    And you can say ? Islam all day long, I hate all Abrahamic religions, but the reality is the world can't ? 1.6 billion Muslims. If even 15% of those Muslims join extremist groups, America and its broke European allies will become more and more bankrupt fighting a war that will never end. Remember how bad Christians lost the Crusades.

    yeah now you are just splitting your words and trying to use semantics to justify your faulty statements. what anti-christian movement in the world???? where are you getting this ? from even in china christianity is on the rise and believe it or not europe is in the dawn of a christian revival especially in the east.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/10776023/China-on-course-to-become-worlds-most-Christian-nation-within-15-years.html

    the fact remains that the western world is turning against islam more than anything else. ? BEING MORE FRIENDLY TO SAVAGES. if you think the world is going to be more friendly to people that cut heads off with knives you are sadly mistaken. What the presidents of nations say and what the people feel are two different things.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv0gZexWG-U

    we don't need to ? all 1.6 billion muslims most muslims are not that crazy it's those in the middle east that need to be washed the ? up. This is 2015 not the time of the crusades if there really was a modern day crusade the middle east would end up being a glass parking lot. forces in islam have decleared all out war on the west but the west still has not returned the favor, if the west ever does it will be massive slaughter for the muslims

    just having numbers won't ensure victory in conflict anymore. The american economy is fine and we are far from being broke even with our massive debt our currency is strong and economy bright.
  • kingblaze84
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    zombie wrote: »
    zombie wrote: »
    Did you read your post??? YOU clearly said that there are anti Christian movements in Europe. Now you want to flip flop on your words.

    Islam being the fastest growing religion is ? because there is no way to verify that. No matter how big those groups get they will never be given world wide acceptance as a real state. The wars will continue for as long as they need to. A bad European economy will only increase anti Islamic feelings in Europe. In fact many Europeans want to expel Islam from Europe. ? Islam.

    UMM no I didn't, I said there is an anti-Christian movement in the world in general, I didn't say specifically Europe.

    As far as Islam growing, I said it's ONE of the fastest growing religions in the world, and sociologists around the world claim Islam IS the fastest growing religion. I won't get into that debate but I'll just say ? off 1.6 billion Muslims around the world by supporting Israeli terrorism and committing horrible war crimes like those in Iraq aren't helping Europeans or Americans become more safe. It's making us less safe.....as Islam and its members grow and grow, efforts must be made to become more friendly with them. Even the president of France admitted that last month. So did Britain's president. It makes mathematical sense to do so.......

    And you can say ? Islam all day long, I hate all Abrahamic religions, but the reality is the world can't ? 1.6 billion Muslims. If even 15% of those Muslims join extremist groups, America and its broke European allies will become more and more bankrupt fighting a war that will never end. Remember how bad Christians lost the Crusades.

    yeah now you are just splitting your words and trying to use semantics to justify your faulty statements. what anti-christian movement in the world???? where are you getting this ? from even in china christianity is on the rise and believe it or not europe is in the dawn of a christian revival especially in the east.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/10776023/China-on-course-to-become-worlds-most-Christian-nation-within-15-years.html

    the fact remains that the western world is turning against islam more than anything else. ? BEING MORE FRIENDLY TO SAVAGES. if you think the world is going to be more friendly to people that cut heads off with knives you are sadly mistaken. What the presidents of nations say and what the people feel are two different things.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv0gZexWG-U

    we don't need to ? all 1.6 billion muslims most muslims are not that crazy it's those in the middle east that need to be washed the ? up. This is 2015 not the time of the crusades if there really was a modern day crusade the middle east would end up being a glass parking lot. forces in islam have decleared all out war on the west but the west still has not returned the favor, if the west ever does it will be massive slaughter for the muslims

    just having numbers won't ensure victory in conflict anymore. The american economy is fine and we are far from being broke even with our massive debt our currency is strong and economy bright.

    The anti-Christian movement I was speaking of is mostly in the Middle East, the place where Christians are being ran out of.

    As far as the Muslims in the Middle East, even if you killed all of them, what about the ones in America and the west? You can't ? them all....if you don't think trying to become friendlier to "the savages" is a good idea, OKAY but it just means a neverending circle of violence, terrorism and bloodshed. Christians will continue to get their ? ran out of the Middle East, Israelis will forever enjoy constant rocket attacks and people trying to run them over, and Americans will continue to be targets with bulls eyes on their foreheads. Muslims will be killed with drones over and over again, and terror groups will CONTINUE to get bigger and bigger. Al-Qaeda will conquer more cities, and ISIS will without a doubt do the same but on a bigger level. Americans will continue spending money they don't have until it goes broke the way the USSR, Spain, Britain and other places historically have.

    Sounds like a great future for the world I guess??? Because as long as nothing changes, this will be the future.
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    zombie wrote: »
    Did you read your post??? YOU clearly said that there are anti Christian movements in Europe. Now you want to flip flop on your words.

    Islam being the fastest growing religion is ? because there is no way to verify that. No matter how big those groups get they will never be given world wide acceptance as a real state. The wars will continue for as long as they need to. A bad European economy will only increase anti Islamic feelings in Europe. In fact many Europeans want to expel Islam from Europe. ? Islam.

    UMM no I didn't, I said there is an anti-Christian movement in the world in general, I didn't say specifically Europe.

    As far as Islam growing, I said it's ONE of the fastest growing religions in the world, and sociologists around the world claim Islam IS the fastest growing religion. I won't get into that debate but I'll just say ? off 1.6 billion Muslims around the world by supporting Israeli terrorism and committing horrible war crimes like those in Iraq aren't helping Europeans or Americans become more safe. It's making us less safe.....as Islam and its members grow and grow, efforts must be made to become more friendly with them. Even the president of France admitted that last month. So did Britain's president. It makes mathematical sense to do so.......

    And you can say ? Islam all day long, I hate all Abrahamic religions, but the reality is the world can't ? 1.6 billion Muslims. If even 15% of those Muslims join extremist groups, America and its broke European allies will become more and more bankrupt fighting a war that will never end. Remember how bad Christians lost the Crusades.

    yeah now you are just splitting your words and trying to use semantics to justify your faulty statements. what anti-christian movement in the world???? where are you getting this ? from even in china christianity is on the rise and believe it or not europe is in the dawn of a christian revival especially in the east.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/10776023/China-on-course-to-become-worlds-most-Christian-nation-within-15-years.html

    the fact remains that the western world is turning against islam more than anything else. ? BEING MORE FRIENDLY TO SAVAGES. if you think the world is going to be more friendly to people that cut heads off with knives you are sadly mistaken. What the presidents of nations say and what the people feel are two different things.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv0gZexWG-U

    we don't need to ? all 1.6 billion muslims most muslims are not that crazy it's those in the middle east that need to be washed the ? up. This is 2015 not the time of the crusades if there really was a modern day crusade the middle east would end up being a glass parking lot. forces in islam have decleared all out war on the west but the west still has not returned the favor, if the west ever does it will be massive slaughter for the muslims

    just having numbers won't ensure victory in conflict anymore. The american economy is fine and we are far from being broke even with our massive debt our currency is strong and economy bright.

    The anti-Christian movement I was speaking of is mostly in the Middle East, the place where Christians are being ran out of.

    As far as the Muslims in the Middle East, even if you killed all of them, what about the ones in America and the west? You can't ? them all....if you don't think trying to become friendlier to "the savages" is a good idea, OKAY but it just means a neverending circle of violence, terrorism and bloodshed. Christians will continue to get their ? ran out of the Middle East, Israelis will forever enjoy constant rocket attacks and people trying to run them over, and Americans will continue to be targets with bulls eyes on their foreheads. Muslims will be killed with drones over and over again, and terror groups will CONTINUE to get bigger and bigger. Al-Qaeda will conquer more cities, and ISIS will without a doubt do the same but on a bigger level. Americans will continue spending money they don't have until it goes broke the way the USSR, Spain, Britain and other places historically have.

    Sounds like a great future for the world I guess??? Because as long as nothing changes, this will be the future.

    The anti christain movement in the middle east has been going on for centuries ever since the birth of islam so i don't even know why you are bringing that ? up it brings nothing to your argument,

    I don't want to commit genocide on the muslims just the crazy ones and the mass of the crazy ones are in the middle east. when muslims in that part of the world learn to accept certain things there will be peace. one of the things they will have to accept is israel. those little ? rocket attacks are useless and result in israel killing hundreds of palestinians. for every jew or christian that dies many many many more muslims die they are the ones in the losing situation. The future is that islam will be killed into submission UNTIL it learns to behave like a civilized member of modern human society,

    As for isis don't ? kid yourself there time is quickly running out they cannot even beat the kurds they have maybe a year of existence before they are basically totally destroyed or made powerless. AL-qaeda is taking advantage of the situation in yemen but that won't last very long there are other factions in yemen that will fight them.

    America is no place close to being broke and actually our currency is too strong now every powerful nation eventually falls but america has not reached anywhere close to that yet.
  • zombie
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    AT THE END OF THE DAY this is the reality

    ISRAEL WILL exist as a jewish state, palestine will stay under occupation

    ISIS Will be defeated and many many muslims will die by their own hands these terrorist pose a far greater danger to muslim nations than they do western ones.

    The american economy is strong and getting stronger.

    These are hard facts and no amount of your anti-christian/anti-american ? is changing that.
  • kingblaze84
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    zombie wrote: »
    zombie wrote: »
    zombie wrote: »
    Did you read your post??? YOU clearly said that there are anti Christian movements in Europe. Now you want to flip flop on your words.

    Islam being the fastest growing religion is ? because there is no way to verify that. No matter how big those groups get they will never be given world wide acceptance as a real state. The wars will continue for as long as they need to. A bad European economy will only increase anti Islamic feelings in Europe. In fact many Europeans want to expel Islam from Europe. ? Islam.

    UMM no I didn't, I said there is an anti-Christian movement in the world in general, I didn't say specifically Europe.

    As far as Islam growing, I said it's ONE of the fastest growing religions in the world, and sociologists around the world claim Islam IS the fastest growing religion. I won't get into that debate but I'll just say ? off 1.6 billion Muslims around the world by supporting Israeli terrorism and committing horrible war crimes like those in Iraq aren't helping Europeans or Americans become more safe. It's making us less safe.....as Islam and its members grow and grow, efforts must be made to become more friendly with them. Even the president of France admitted that last month. So did Britain's president. It makes mathematical sense to do so.......

    And you can say ? Islam all day long, I hate all Abrahamic religions, but the reality is the world can't ? 1.6 billion Muslims. If even 15% of those Muslims join extremist groups, America and its broke European allies will become more and more bankrupt fighting a war that will never end. Remember how bad Christians lost the Crusades.

    yeah now you are just splitting your words and trying to use semantics to justify your faulty statements. what anti-christian movement in the world???? where are you getting this ? from even in china christianity is on the rise and believe it or not europe is in the dawn of a christian revival especially in the east.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/10776023/China-on-course-to-become-worlds-most-Christian-nation-within-15-years.html

    the fact remains that the western world is turning against islam more than anything else. ? BEING MORE FRIENDLY TO SAVAGES. if you think the world is going to be more friendly to people that cut heads off with knives you are sadly mistaken. What the presidents of nations say and what the people feel are two different things.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv0gZexWG-U

    we don't need to ? all 1.6 billion muslims most muslims are not that crazy it's those in the middle east that need to be washed the ? up. This is 2015 not the time of the crusades if there really was a modern day crusade the middle east would end up being a glass parking lot. forces in islam have decleared all out war on the west but the west still has not returned the favor, if the west ever does it will be massive slaughter for the muslims

    just having numbers won't ensure victory in conflict anymore. The american economy is fine and we are far from being broke even with our massive debt our currency is strong and economy bright.

    The anti-Christian movement I was speaking of is mostly in the Middle East, the place where Christians are being ran out of.

    As far as the Muslims in the Middle East, even if you killed all of them, what about the ones in America and the west? You can't ? them all....if you don't think trying to become friendlier to "the savages" is a good idea, OKAY but it just means a neverending circle of violence, terrorism and bloodshed. Christians will continue to get their ? ran out of the Middle East, Israelis will forever enjoy constant rocket attacks and people trying to run them over, and Americans will continue to be targets with bulls eyes on their foreheads. Muslims will be killed with drones over and over again, and terror groups will CONTINUE to get bigger and bigger. Al-Qaeda will conquer more cities, and ISIS will without a doubt do the same but on a bigger level. Americans will continue spending money they don't have until it goes broke the way the USSR, Spain, Britain and other places historically have.

    Sounds like a great future for the world I guess??? Because as long as nothing changes, this will be the future.

    The anti christain movement in the middle east has been going on for centuries ever since the birth of islam so i don't even know why you are bringing that ? up it brings nothing to your argument,

    I don't want to commit genocide on the muslims just the crazy ones and the mass of the crazy ones are in the middle east. when muslims in that part of the world learn to accept certain things there will be peace. one of the things they will have to accept is israel. those little ? rocket attacks are useless and result in israel killing hundreds of palestinians. for every jew or christian that dies many many many more muslims die they are the ones in the losing situation. The future is that islam will be killed into submission UNTIL it learns to behave like a civilized member of modern human society,

    As for isis don't ? kid yourself there time is quickly running out they cannot even beat the kurds they have maybe a year of existence before they are basically totally destroyed or made powerless. AL-qaeda is taking advantage of the situation in yemen but that won't last very long there are other factions in yemen that will fight them.

    America is no place close to being broke and actually our currency is too strong now every powerful nation eventually falls but america has not reached anywhere close to that yet.

    ISIS will be around for at least 3 years according to US generals, and in reality talk, that means 20 years plus or maybe even forever. Al-Qaeda hasn't been defeated after..........how many years?? Instead they taking over whole cities now. ? knows what they planning with Khorosan.....the status quo, believe it or not, benefits ISIS and Al-Qaeda too. So be careful what you wish for.

    6 trillion dollars and 14 years later, America is still losing the war on terror. But if the status quo works for you, GREAT. Just don't act surprised when America's war on terror gets even worse.
  • zombie
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    zombie wrote: »
    zombie wrote: »
    zombie wrote: »
    Did you read your post??? YOU clearly said that there are anti Christian movements in Europe. Now you want to flip flop on your words.

    Islam being the fastest growing religion is ? because there is no way to verify that. No matter how big those groups get they will never be given world wide acceptance as a real state. The wars will continue for as long as they need to. A bad European economy will only increase anti Islamic feelings in Europe. In fact many Europeans want to expel Islam from Europe. ? Islam.

    UMM no I didn't, I said there is an anti-Christian movement in the world in general, I didn't say specifically Europe.

    As far as Islam growing, I said it's ONE of the fastest growing religions in the world, and sociologists around the world claim Islam IS the fastest growing religion. I won't get into that debate but I'll just say ? off 1.6 billion Muslims around the world by supporting Israeli terrorism and committing horrible war crimes like those in Iraq aren't helping Europeans or Americans become more safe. It's making us less safe.....as Islam and its members grow and grow, efforts must be made to become more friendly with them. Even the president of France admitted that last month. So did Britain's president. It makes mathematical sense to do so.......

    And you can say ? Islam all day long, I hate all Abrahamic religions, but the reality is the world can't ? 1.6 billion Muslims. If even 15% of those Muslims join extremist groups, America and its broke European allies will become more and more bankrupt fighting a war that will never end. Remember how bad Christians lost the Crusades.

    yeah now you are just splitting your words and trying to use semantics to justify your faulty statements. what anti-christian movement in the world???? where are you getting this ? from even in china christianity is on the rise and believe it or not europe is in the dawn of a christian revival especially in the east.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/10776023/China-on-course-to-become-worlds-most-Christian-nation-within-15-years.html

    the fact remains that the western world is turning against islam more than anything else. ? BEING MORE FRIENDLY TO SAVAGES. if you think the world is going to be more friendly to people that cut heads off with knives you are sadly mistaken. What the presidents of nations say and what the people feel are two different things.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv0gZexWG-U

    we don't need to ? all 1.6 billion muslims most muslims are not that crazy it's those in the middle east that need to be washed the ? up. This is 2015 not the time of the crusades if there really was a modern day crusade the middle east would end up being a glass parking lot. forces in islam have decleared all out war on the west but the west still has not returned the favor, if the west ever does it will be massive slaughter for the muslims

    just having numbers won't ensure victory in conflict anymore. The american economy is fine and we are far from being broke even with our massive debt our currency is strong and economy bright.

    The anti-Christian movement I was speaking of is mostly in the Middle East, the place where Christians are being ran out of.

    As far as the Muslims in the Middle East, even if you killed all of them, what about the ones in America and the west? You can't ? them all....if you don't think trying to become friendlier to "the savages" is a good idea, OKAY but it just means a neverending circle of violence, terrorism and bloodshed. Christians will continue to get their ? ran out of the Middle East, Israelis will forever enjoy constant rocket attacks and people trying to run them over, and Americans will continue to be targets with bulls eyes on their foreheads. Muslims will be killed with drones over and over again, and terror groups will CONTINUE to get bigger and bigger. Al-Qaeda will conquer more cities, and ISIS will without a doubt do the same but on a bigger level. Americans will continue spending money they don't have until it goes broke the way the USSR, Spain, Britain and other places historically have.

    Sounds like a great future for the world I guess??? Because as long as nothing changes, this will be the future.

    The anti christain movement in the middle east has been going on for centuries ever since the birth of islam so i don't even know why you are bringing that ? up it brings nothing to your argument,

    I don't want to commit genocide on the muslims just the crazy ones and the mass of the crazy ones are in the middle east. when muslims in that part of the world learn to accept certain things there will be peace. one of the things they will have to accept is israel. those little ? rocket attacks are useless and result in israel killing hundreds of palestinians. for every jew or christian that dies many many many more muslims die they are the ones in the losing situation. The future is that islam will be killed into submission UNTIL it learns to behave like a civilized member of modern human society,

    As for isis don't ? kid yourself there time is quickly running out they cannot even beat the kurds they have maybe a year of existence before they are basically totally destroyed or made powerless. AL-qaeda is taking advantage of the situation in yemen but that won't last very long there are other factions in yemen that will fight them.

    America is no place close to being broke and actually our currency is too strong now every powerful nation eventually falls but america has not reached anywhere close to that yet.

    ISIS will be around for at least 3 years according to US generals, and in reality talk, that means 20 years plus or maybe even forever. Al-Qaeda hasn't been defeated after..........how many years?? Instead they taking over whole cities now. ? knows what they planning with Khorosan.....the status quo, believe it or not, benefits ISIS and Al-Qaeda too. So be careful what you wish for.

    6 trillion dollars and 14 years later, America is still losing the war on terror. But if the status quo works for you, GREAT. Just don't act surprised when America's war on terror gets even worse.

    IF the war gets worse it will be muslims that do most of the dying 1 year may have been and optimistic estimate but the fact remains that isis will be destroyed.

    the war on terror is not a normal war it's not something that you can point too and say we won because of this or that, it will have no end in the way that you think,

    but when was the last time al-qaeda pulled off an attack against america??????? it's been over 10 years already and nothing there focus has been on killing other muslims because that lack to power to attack us.
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    No, just Southeast Asia. I'll need to pull a source. I can't find the numbers at the moment, just this--couple paragraphs down on p.473
    i believe i recall the Russell thing being more dramatics than legit argument, but that's probably more about making the genocide claim
    Yeah I believe America used Agent Orange and bombed out hundreds of thousands in Cambodia and Laos too.
    the problem with the former is that the claims can get very vague (for legitimate reasons)
    The Vietnam War did ? millions of people, are you joking around? 2.2 million Vietnamese civilians died alone, nevermind the hundreds of thousands of troops killed
    let's start with the reminder that you claimed AMERICA killed millions, not just a total amount of deaths in the war. reminder: North Vietnam and South Vietnam killed people too.

    second, 2.2 million civilians sounds like we're picking the highest possible number from a specific source that covers all deaths period.
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    janklow wrote: »
    (Nope) wrote: »
    No, just Southeast Asia. I'll need to pull a source. I can't find the numbers at the moment, just this--couple paragraphs down on p.473
    i believe i recall the Russell thing being more dramatics than legit argument, but that's probably more about making the genocide claim
    Yeah I believe America used Agent Orange and bombed out hundreds of thousands in Cambodia and Laos too.
    the problem with the former is that the claims can get very vague (for legitimate reasons)
    The Vietnam War did ? millions of people, are you joking around? 2.2 million Vietnamese civilians died alone, nevermind the hundreds of thousands of troops killed
    let's start with the reminder that you claimed AMERICA killed millions, not just a total amount of deaths in the war. reminder: North Vietnam and South Vietnam killed people too.

    second, 2.2 million civilians sounds like we're picking the highest possible number from a specific source that covers all deaths period.

    Yeah the deaths from Vietnam can be vague but everyone can agree a WHOLE lot of people died when America escalated the war, especially with the chemical and munition bombs. North Vietnamese and southern Vietnamese did do a lot of killing of course but America alone may have killed about 700,000. The modern Vietnamese govt, which is allied with America (and Russia) today itself says America is responsible for over 400,000 dead. Other sources put America's toll much higher but the bottom line is the USA needs to stop getting involved in bad wars that hurt its reputation worldwide and don't do much else.
  • kingblaze84
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    zombie wrote: »
    zombie wrote: »
    zombie wrote: »
    zombie wrote: »
    Did you read your post??? YOU clearly said that there are anti Christian movements in Europe. Now you want to flip flop on your words.

    Islam being the fastest growing religion is ? because there is no way to verify that. No matter how big those groups get they will never be given world wide acceptance as a real state. The wars will continue for as long as they need to. A bad European economy will only increase anti Islamic feelings in Europe. In fact many Europeans want to expel Islam from Europe. ? Islam.

    UMM no I didn't, I said there is an anti-Christian movement in the world in general, I didn't say specifically Europe.

    As far as Islam growing, I said it's ONE of the fastest growing religions in the world, and sociologists around the world claim Islam IS the fastest growing religion. I won't get into that debate but I'll just say ? off 1.6 billion Muslims around the world by supporting Israeli terrorism and committing horrible war crimes like those in Iraq aren't helping Europeans or Americans become more safe. It's making us less safe.....as Islam and its members grow and grow, efforts must be made to become more friendly with them. Even the president of France admitted that last month. So did Britain's president. It makes mathematical sense to do so.......

    And you can say ? Islam all day long, I hate all Abrahamic religions, but the reality is the world can't ? 1.6 billion Muslims. If even 15% of those Muslims join extremist groups, America and its broke European allies will become more and more bankrupt fighting a war that will never end. Remember how bad Christians lost the Crusades.

    yeah now you are just splitting your words and trying to use semantics to justify your faulty statements. what anti-christian movement in the world???? where are you getting this ? from even in china christianity is on the rise and believe it or not europe is in the dawn of a christian revival especially in the east.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/10776023/China-on-course-to-become-worlds-most-Christian-nation-within-15-years.html

    the fact remains that the western world is turning against islam more than anything else. ? BEING MORE FRIENDLY TO SAVAGES. if you think the world is going to be more friendly to people that cut heads off with knives you are sadly mistaken. What the presidents of nations say and what the people feel are two different things.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv0gZexWG-U

    we don't need to ? all 1.6 billion muslims most muslims are not that crazy it's those in the middle east that need to be washed the ? up. This is 2015 not the time of the crusades if there really was a modern day crusade the middle east would end up being a glass parking lot. forces in islam have decleared all out war on the west but the west still has not returned the favor, if the west ever does it will be massive slaughter for the muslims

    just having numbers won't ensure victory in conflict anymore. The american economy is fine and we are far from being broke even with our massive debt our currency is strong and economy bright.

    The anti-Christian movement I was speaking of is mostly in the Middle East, the place where Christians are being ran out of.

    As far as the Muslims in the Middle East, even if you killed all of them, what about the ones in America and the west? You can't ? them all....if you don't think trying to become friendlier to "the savages" is a good idea, OKAY but it just means a neverending circle of violence, terrorism and bloodshed. Christians will continue to get their ? ran out of the Middle East, Israelis will forever enjoy constant rocket attacks and people trying to run them over, and Americans will continue to be targets with bulls eyes on their foreheads. Muslims will be killed with drones over and over again, and terror groups will CONTINUE to get bigger and bigger. Al-Qaeda will conquer more cities, and ISIS will without a doubt do the same but on a bigger level. Americans will continue spending money they don't have until it goes broke the way the USSR, Spain, Britain and other places historically have.

    Sounds like a great future for the world I guess??? Because as long as nothing changes, this will be the future.

    The anti christain movement in the middle east has been going on for centuries ever since the birth of islam so i don't even know why you are bringing that ? up it brings nothing to your argument,

    I don't want to commit genocide on the muslims just the crazy ones and the mass of the crazy ones are in the middle east. when muslims in that part of the world learn to accept certain things there will be peace. one of the things they will have to accept is israel. those little ? rocket attacks are useless and result in israel killing hundreds of palestinians. for every jew or christian that dies many many many more muslims die they are the ones in the losing situation. The future is that islam will be killed into submission UNTIL it learns to behave like a civilized member of modern human society,

    As for isis don't ? kid yourself there time is quickly running out they cannot even beat the kurds they have maybe a year of existence before they are basically totally destroyed or made powerless. AL-qaeda is taking advantage of the situation in yemen but that won't last very long there are other factions in yemen that will fight them.

    America is no place close to being broke and actually our currency is too strong now every powerful nation eventually falls but america has not reached anywhere close to that yet.

    ISIS will be around for at least 3 years according to US generals, and in reality talk, that means 20 years plus or maybe even forever. Al-Qaeda hasn't been defeated after..........how many years?? Instead they taking over whole cities now. ? knows what they planning with Khorosan.....the status quo, believe it or not, benefits ISIS and Al-Qaeda too. So be careful what you wish for.

    6 trillion dollars and 14 years later, America is still losing the war on terror. But if the status quo works for you, GREAT. Just don't act surprised when America's war on terror gets even worse.

    IF the war gets worse it will be muslims that do most of the dying 1 year may have been and optimistic estimate but the fact remains that isis will be destroyed.

    the war on terror is not a normal war it's not something that you can point too and say we won because of this or that, it will have no end in the way that you think,

    but when was the last time al-qaeda pulled off an attack against america??????? it's been over 10 years already and nothing there focus has been on killing other muslims because that lack to power to attack us.

    If Al-Qaeda hasn't been destroyed after 6 trillion dollars, then don't dream by saying ISIS "will" be destroyed". Even the Syrian govt is giving up trying to destroy them, they're buying oil from them now. If Al-Qaeda can't be beat after all this time and trillions of dollars, ISIS is gonna be even harder to "destroy". They can be degraded if that's what you mean, but that's the responsibility of nations in the region.

    And yeah Al-Qaeda hasn't pulled off attacks against America in a long time thankfully, but with our foreign policy as it stands now, Al-Qaeda AND ISIS recruitment is getting higher and higher. Muslims are the ones being killed in big numbers yeah, all the more reason why I want Americans to focus more on home and why I want other nations in the region to take care of the problem.
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    @kingblaze84

    Isis and al Qaeda are two very different organizations and I would argue that this difference makes Isis easier to destroy. For one thing Isis is hated much more by other Muslims than al Qaeda is. So Isis has to fight the west, Iran, the Kurds and other Sunni Muslims.

    Any one who is capable of being recruited by a terrorist organization is probably someone that was going to do something anyway. It's always a bad policy to allow fear to control your every move.if the USA worried too much about people that are going to hate us anyway we would never do anything.

    The other nations in the region are largely unable to take care of the problem. And above all else Israel must not be agitated . The long term safety of the USA is dependent on her power abroad.
  • kingblaze84
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    @kingblaze84

    Isis and al Qaeda are two very different organizations and I would argue that this difference makes Isis easier to destroy. For one thing Isis is hated much more by other Muslims than al Qaeda is. So Isis has to fight the west, Iran, the Kurds and other Sunni Muslims.

    Any one who is capable of being recruited by a terrorist organization is probably someone that was going to do something anyway. It's always a bad policy to allow fear to control your every move.if the USA worried too much about people that are going to hate us anyway we would never do anything.

    The other nations in the region are largely unable to take care of the problem. And above all else Israel must not be agitated . The long term safety of the USA is dependent on her power abroad.

    ISIS and Al-Qaeda are different organizations but they're not as different as you think. ISIS used to be part of Al-Qaeda in Iraq, as far back as 2006. Al-Qaeda is even taking over cities In Yemen and Afghanistan now because they see how popular ISIS is getting, so they're starting to build up infrastructure to compete with the popularity of Islamic State. ISIS is still much bigger and powerful obviously, so why would they be easier to destroy?? More westerners and foreigners are joining ISIS then ever before and they have big help in Libya, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Syria, and Iraq, why do you think the Kurds and Iraqis are struggling to put them down? Even Iran is struggling to take on ISIS lately, they haven't made serious moves on Raqqa or Mosul. All the villages Iraqis and the Kurds have taken over hasn't stopped ISIS from getting more recruits.

    And with America HELLBENT on weakening Iran via sanctions, ISIS is gonna get stronger. A weaker Iran is EXACTLY what ISIS wants, and if the sanctions on Iran get worse (which I predict), then ISIS and its Sunni friends are gonna have a celebration and grow. I agree the region can't beat ISIS on its own but here's a newsflash: America can't totally eliminate them either. America won't invade Turkey or Saudi Arabia right??? So how the hell is ISIS gonna be destroyed LOL
  • kingblaze84
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    Long term safety of America means:

    Less evil foreign policies
    No more financial support for the apartheid and terrorist state of Israel
    Less stupid and reckless wars

    If America does those things, it will have less enemies around the world. The war on terror is going nowhere as it is
  • zombie
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    Long term safety of America means:

    Less evil foreign policies
    No more financial support for the apartheid and terrorist state of Israel
    Less stupid and reckless wars

    If America does those things, it will have less enemies around the world. The war on terror is going nowhere as it is

    EVIL IS SUBJECTIVE

    ISRAEL IS NOT REALLY AN APARTHEID STATE that's just anti-israel propaganda

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcEL-NlxBk0
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9eOO4B7QFc

    less reckless wars??? yes. Fight wars that have to be fought ??? yes

    The war on terror will continue it will change and evolve just the way the cold war did it is not war in the traditional sense.
  • kingblaze84
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    zombie wrote: »
    Long term safety of America means:

    Less evil foreign policies
    No more financial support for the apartheid and terrorist state of Israel
    Less stupid and reckless wars

    If America does those things, it will have less enemies around the world. The war on terror is going nowhere as it is

    EVIL IS SUBJECTIVE

    ISRAEL IS NOT REALLY AN APARTHEID STATE that's just anti-israel propaganda

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcEL-NlxBk0
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9eOO4B7QFc

    less reckless wars??? yes. Fight wars that have to be fought ??? yes

    The war on terror will continue it will change and evolve just the way the cold war did it is not war in the traditional sense.

    Israel isn't an apartheid state?? You admitted it was one just a few weeks ago lol.....
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    Long term safety of America means:

    Less evil foreign policies
    No more financial support for the apartheid and terrorist state of Israel
    Less stupid and reckless wars

    If America does those things, it will have less enemies around the world. The war on terror is going nowhere as it is

    EVIL IS SUBJECTIVE

    ISRAEL IS NOT REALLY AN APARTHEID STATE that's just anti-israel propaganda

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcEL-NlxBk0
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9eOO4B7QFc

    less reckless wars??? yes. Fight wars that have to be fought ??? yes

    The war on terror will continue it will change and evolve just the way the cold war did it is not war in the traditional sense.

    Israel isn't an apartheid state?? You admitted it was one just a few weeks ago lol.....

    I strictly speaking I was wrong