Why I Was Wrong About Atheism by Stefan Molyneux

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  • Ajackson17
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    Man, he is an undercover racist and the last part was ? . Smh
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    zzombie wrote: »

    Man, he is an undercover racist and the last part was ? . Smh

    Undercover??? Nah he's flat out pro white which to me doesn't detract from his arguments about particular subjects. The erosion of western society by leftism and everything that comes with it is one of those subjects
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    Ajackson17 wrote: »
    zzombie wrote: »

    Man, he is an undercover racist and the last part was ? . Smh

    Undercover??? Nah he's flat out pro white which to me doesn't detract from his arguments about particular subjects. The erosion of western society by leftism and everything that comes with it is one of those subjects

    I can go on and on about how his ideas are ridiculous for starters the reasons anyone goes to the left is because their views, ethnic background, level of wealth, position on things are different from the IN PEOPLE. There is simply no room for proper growth in conservatism and why we can argue there is too much expansion in leftism. This is why two political parties that are two diverse is destructive we need to have more stronger political parties.
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    Ajackson17 wrote: »
    zzombie wrote: »
    Ajackson17 wrote: »
    zzombie wrote: »

    Man, he is an undercover racist and the last part was ? . Smh

    Undercover??? Nah he's flat out pro white which to me doesn't detract from his arguments about particular subjects. The erosion of western society by leftism and everything that comes with it is one of those subjects

    I can go on and on about how his ideas are ridiculous for starters the reasons anyone goes to the left is because their views, ethnic background, level of wealth, position on things are different from the IN PEOPLE. There is simply no room for proper growth in conservatism and why we can argue there is too much expansion in leftism. This is why two political parties that are two diverse is destructive we need to have more stronger political parties.

    He doesn't give any ideas in his video all he does is give analysis for why some people are on the left and why some are on the right.

    What do you mean by the IN PEOPLE????
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    Ajackson17 wrote: »
    zzombie wrote: »
    Ajackson17 wrote: »
    zzombie wrote: »

    Man, he is an undercover racist and the last part was ? . Smh

    Undercover??? Nah he's flat out pro white which to me doesn't detract from his arguments about particular subjects. The erosion of western society by leftism and everything that comes with it is one of those subjects

    I can go on and on about how his ideas are ridiculous for starters the reasons anyone goes to the left is because their views, ethnic background, level of wealth, position on things are different from the IN PEOPLE. There is simply no room for proper growth in conservatism and why we can argue there is too much expansion in leftism. This is why two political parties that are two diverse is destructive we need to have more stronger political parties.

    He doesn't give any ideas in his video all he does is give analysis for why some people are on the left and why some are on the right.

    What do you mean by the IN PEOPLE????

    Nobility, people of higher social statuses, religious leaders, CEO's, business people and etc. Those who are not part of the overall population. They have a great fight to conserve the values that helped them get to their path even though it might be detrimental to some parts of the population.

    Like for example black people in poverty and very low positions would be considered conservative since it was a way that many wealthy people achieved wealth and prosperity, so you in your businesses would be considered a threat to their overall conservative values and you being wealthy could be a sign of leftism at work. Due to your African descent, Jamaican of origins, descendant of maroons(freedom fighters), child out of wedlock, immigrant and etc. The only thing that might be considered conservative is your wealth, religion and politics but the right could extend beyond those criteria.
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    Ajackson17 wrote: »
    zzombie wrote: »
    Ajackson17 wrote: »
    zzombie wrote: »
    Ajackson17 wrote: »
    zzombie wrote: »

    Man, he is an undercover racist and the last part was ? . Smh

    Undercover??? Nah he's flat out pro white which to me doesn't detract from his arguments about particular subjects. The erosion of western society by leftism and everything that comes with it is one of those subjects

    I can go on and on about how his ideas are ridiculous for starters the reasons anyone goes to the left is because their views, ethnic background, level of wealth, position on things are different from the IN PEOPLE. There is simply no room for proper growth in conservatism and why we can argue there is too much expansion in leftism. This is why two political parties that are two diverse is destructive we need to have more stronger political parties.

    He doesn't give any ideas in his video all he does is give analysis for why some people are on the left and why some are on the right.

    What do you mean by the IN PEOPLE????

    Nobility, people of higher social statuses, religious leaders, CEO's, business people and etc. Those who are not part of the overall population. They have a great fight to conserve the values that helped them get to their path even though it might be detrimental to some parts of the population.

    Like for example black people in poverty and very low positions would be considered conservative since it was a way that many wealthy people achieved wealth and prosperity, so you in your businesses would be considered a threat to their overall conservative values and you being wealthy could be a sign of leftism at work. Due to your African descent, Jamaican of origins, descendant of maroons(freedom fighters), child out of wedlock, immigrant and etc. The only thing that might be considered conservative is your wealth, religion and politics but the right could extend beyond those criteria.

    Well you see there are people that are fiscally conservative but are culturally leftist. In his videos he isn't really concerned with the economic positioning of people.

    He's really making a cultural argument in favor of the right. no one who makes his money in the private sectors and supports the supremacy of it would be considered leftist.

  • Ajackson17
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    zzombie wrote: »
    Ajackson17 wrote: »
    zzombie wrote: »
    Ajackson17 wrote: »
    zzombie wrote: »
    Ajackson17 wrote: »
    zzombie wrote: »

    Man, he is an undercover racist and the last part was ? . Smh

    Undercover??? Nah he's flat out pro white which to me doesn't detract from his arguments about particular subjects. The erosion of western society by leftism and everything that comes with it is one of those subjects

    I can go on and on about how his ideas are ridiculous for starters the reasons anyone goes to the left is because their views, ethnic background, level of wealth, position on things are different from the IN PEOPLE. There is simply no room for proper growth in conservatism and why we can argue there is too much expansion in leftism. This is why two political parties that are two diverse is destructive we need to have more stronger political parties.

    He doesn't give any ideas in his video all he does is give analysis for why some people are on the left and why some are on the right.

    What do you mean by the IN PEOPLE????

    Nobility, people of higher social statuses, religious leaders, CEO's, business people and etc. Those who are not part of the overall population. They have a great fight to conserve the values that helped them get to their path even though it might be detrimental to some parts of the population.

    Like for example black people in poverty and very low positions would be considered conservative since it was a way that many wealthy people achieved wealth and prosperity, so you in your businesses would be considered a threat to their overall conservative values and you being wealthy could be a sign of leftism at work. Due to your African descent, Jamaican of origins, descendant of maroons(freedom fighters), child out of wedlock, immigrant and etc. The only thing that might be considered conservative is your wealth, religion and politics but the right could extend beyond those criteria.

    Well you see there are people that are fiscally conservative but are culturally leftist. In his videos he isn't really concerned with the economic positioning of people.

    He's really making a cultural argument in favor of the right. no one who makes his money in the private sectors and supports the supremacy of it would be considered leftist.

    The right has a history with intertwining economics and culture. Those two are very interchangeable dealing with the culture and then he says that ethnicity and intelligence is a huge factor in why the borders should be closed. This could also have an issue with African Americans as well, but doesn't explain why Nigerians tend to do better than Asians and Europeans regardless of the nations in terms of education and especially in engineering and biology and chemistry and etc.

    Basically, he is saying what mostly what I disagree with you about on a day to day basis respectfully and I know his reasons for doing so. Atheism is the reason why the crumbling of European societies is that the basis of European socities has always been devouring other people for resources. They cannot keep a hierarchy if they don't keep this aggressive Christian power hold as they always have done. This isn't good for Africans period.
  • Ajackson17
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    And if Europeans are so much smarter meaning he is talking about British, Germans, French, Polish, Norweigian, and etc why didn't they create a civilization in BCE times? They barely had any good farming skills and possessed low amount of technology while other groups were polishing many creative avenues.

    Homogeneous nations are coming to an end.

    Because all people developed science and technology and no one has a single dominant control over it
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    Ajackson17 wrote: »
    zzombie wrote: »
    Ajackson17 wrote: »
    zzombie wrote: »
    Ajackson17 wrote: »
    zzombie wrote: »
    Ajackson17 wrote: »
    zzombie wrote: »

    Man, he is an undercover racist and the last part was ? . Smh

    Undercover??? Nah he's flat out pro white which to me doesn't detract from his arguments about particular subjects. The erosion of western society by leftism and everything that comes with it is one of those subjects

    I can go on and on about how his ideas are ridiculous for starters the reasons anyone goes to the left is because their views, ethnic background, level of wealth, position on things are different from the IN PEOPLE. There is simply no room for proper growth in conservatism and why we can argue there is too much expansion in leftism. This is why two political parties that are two diverse is destructive we need to have more stronger political parties.

    He doesn't give any ideas in his video all he does is give analysis for why some people are on the left and why some are on the right.

    What do you mean by the IN PEOPLE????

    Nobility, people of higher social statuses, religious leaders, CEO's, business people and etc. Those who are not part of the overall population. They have a great fight to conserve the values that helped them get to their path even though it might be detrimental to some parts of the population.

    Like for example black people in poverty and very low positions would be considered conservative since it was a way that many wealthy people achieved wealth and prosperity, so you in your businesses would be considered a threat to their overall conservative values and you being wealthy could be a sign of leftism at work. Due to your African descent, Jamaican of origins, descendant of maroons(freedom fighters), child out of wedlock, immigrant and etc. The only thing that might be considered conservative is your wealth, religion and politics but the right could extend beyond those criteria.

    Well you see there are people that are fiscally conservative but are culturally leftist. In his videos he isn't really concerned with the economic positioning of people.

    He's really making a cultural argument in favor of the right. no one who makes his money in the private sectors and supports the supremacy of it would be considered leftist.

    The right has a history with intertwining economics and culture. Those two are very interchangeable dealing with the culture and then he says that ethnicity and intelligence is a huge factor in why the borders should be closed. This could also have an issue with African Americans as well, but doesn't explain why Nigerians tend to do better than Asians and Europeans regardless of the nations in terms of education and especially in engineering and biology and chemistry and etc.

    Basically, he is saying what mostly what I disagree with you about on a day to day basis respectfully and I know his reasons for doing so. Atheism is the reason why the crumbling of European societies is that the basis of European socities has always been devouring other people for resources. They cannot keep a hierarchy if they don't keep this aggressive Christian power hold as they always have done. This isn't good for Africans period.

    Everything is intertwined with culture and the reason Nigerians also do better is also largely because of culture.

    So you admit that atheism is crumbling society??? Great, but we live in this society what do you think is happening to us as the crumbling blocks of society fall on us??? What isn't good for African people is leftism. Leftism stresses reliance on the state, but the state is indifferent to black people. In fact the state in indifferent to people. Leftism and it's outgrowth feminism has destroyed the family unit. Which has disastrous effects on blacks ability to compete in the system.

    If you go to Africa today what you will find is that the nations with a higher proportion of Christians vs traditionalist are better off in almost any category. This is because the Christian religion and to a lesser extent the Islamic religion is better suited to building modern civilization
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    Ajackson17 wrote: »
    zzombie wrote: »
    Ajackson17 wrote: »
    zzombie wrote: »

    Man, he is an undercover racist and the last part was ? . Smh

    Undercover??? Nah he's flat out pro white which to me doesn't detract from his arguments about particular subjects. The erosion of western society by leftism and everything that comes with it is one of those subjects

    I can go on and on about how his ideas are ridiculous for starters the reasons anyone goes to the left is because their views, ethnic background, level of wealth, position on things are different from the IN PEOPLE. There is simply no room for proper growth in conservatism and why we can argue there is too much expansion in leftism. This is why two political parties that are two diverse is destructive we need to have more stronger political parties.

    He doesn't give any ideas in his video all he does is give analysis for why some people are on the left and why some are on the right.

    What do you mean by the IN PEOPLE????

    Nobility, people of higher social statuses, religious leaders, CEO's, business people and etc. Those who are not part of the overall population. They have a great fight to conserve the values that helped them get to their path even though it might be detrimental to some parts of the population.

    Like for example black people in poverty and very low positions would be considered conservative since it was a way that many wealthy people achieved wealth and prosperity, so you in your businesses would be considered a threat to their overall conservative values and you being wealthy could be a sign of leftism at work. Due to your African descent, Jamaican of origins, descendant of maroons(freedom fighters), child out of wedlock, immigrant and etc. The only thing that might be considered conservative is your wealth, religion and politics but the right could extend beyond those criteria.

    Well you see there are people that are fiscally conservative but are culturally leftist. In his videos he isn't really concerned with the economic positioning of people.

    He's really making a cultural argument in favor of the right. no one who makes his money in the private sectors and supports the supremacy of it would be considered leftist.

    The right has a history with intertwining economics and culture. Those two are very interchangeable dealing with the culture and then he says that ethnicity and intelligence is a huge factor in why the borders should be closed. This could also have an issue with African Americans as well, but doesn't explain why Nigerians tend to do better than Asians and Europeans regardless of the nations in terms of education and especially in engineering and biology and chemistry and etc.

    Basically, he is saying what mostly what I disagree with you about on a day to day basis respectfully and I know his reasons for doing so. Atheism is the reason why the crumbling of European societies is that the basis of European socities has always been devouring other people for resources. They cannot keep a hierarchy if they don't keep this aggressive Christian power hold as they always have done. This isn't good for Africans period.

    Everything is intertwined with culture and the reason Nigerians also do better is also largely because of culture.

    So you admit that atheism is crumbling society??? Great, but we live in this society what do you think is happening to us as the crumbling blocks of society fall on us??? What isn't good for African people is leftism. Leftism stresses reliance on the state, but the state is indifferent to black people. In fact the state in indifferent to people. Leftism and it's outgrown feminism has destroyed the family unit. Which has disastrous effects on blacks ability to compete in the system.

    If you go to Africa today what you will find is that the nations with a higher proportion of Christians vs traditionalist are better off in almost any category. This is because the Christian religion and to a lesser extent the Islamic religion is better suited to building modern civilization

    I'm saying the Right as you see fit isn't in the best interest of African people nor the species ? sapien sapien. I'm not saying the left or the right of the spectrum fits us. We have issues that we need to conserve and issues that we need to change. To go by a paradigm created by other cultures that is a big wart on the global world's back isn't a good thing either for us. And it doesn't even fit with the paradigm of Christianity nor any of traditional African belief system because it is morality that is the highest level.

    I'll and go and say rationality and critical thinking is much more needed by African people than any religion can ever produce. So Europe's problem is that the population isn't going to do the jobs that need to be done cause of the education rise, but a thinking people would haven't started wars in the first place that lead to this and created initiatives for the youth to to do some of the jobs that they can do to get paid and start to learn an income. You got to be creative in the first place, but the problem with Europe they ? up everyone and now they got refugees based on their way of governing in those areas in the first place and now it's in their back yard.

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    zzombie wrote: »
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    Ajackson17 wrote: »
    zzombie wrote: »
    Ajackson17 wrote: »
    zzombie wrote: »
    Ajackson17 wrote: »
    zzombie wrote: »

    Man, he is an undercover racist and the last part was ? . Smh

    Undercover??? Nah he's flat out pro white which to me doesn't detract from his arguments about particular subjects. The erosion of western society by leftism and everything that comes with it is one of those subjects

    I can go on and on about how his ideas are ridiculous for starters the reasons anyone goes to the left is because their views, ethnic background, level of wealth, position on things are different from the IN PEOPLE. There is simply no room for proper growth in conservatism and why we can argue there is too much expansion in leftism. This is why two political parties that are two diverse is destructive we need to have more stronger political parties.

    He doesn't give any ideas in his video all he does is give analysis for why some people are on the left and why some are on the right.

    What do you mean by the IN PEOPLE????

    Nobility, people of higher social statuses, religious leaders, CEO's, business people and etc. Those who are not part of the overall population. They have a great fight to conserve the values that helped them get to their path even though it might be detrimental to some parts of the population.

    Like for example black people in poverty and very low positions would be considered conservative since it was a way that many wealthy people achieved wealth and prosperity, so you in your businesses would be considered a threat to their overall conservative values and you being wealthy could be a sign of leftism at work. Due to your African descent, Jamaican of origins, descendant of maroons(freedom fighters), child out of wedlock, immigrant and etc. The only thing that might be considered conservative is your wealth, religion and politics but the right could extend beyond those criteria.

    Well you see there are people that are fiscally conservative but are culturally leftist. In his videos he isn't really concerned with the economic positioning of people.

    He's really making a cultural argument in favor of the right. no one who makes his money in the private sectors and supports the supremacy of it would be considered leftist.

    The right has a history with intertwining economics and culture. Those two are very interchangeable dealing with the culture and then he says that ethnicity and intelligence is a huge factor in why the borders should be closed. This could also have an issue with African Americans as well, but doesn't explain why Nigerians tend to do better than Asians and Europeans regardless of the nations in terms of education and especially in engineering and biology and chemistry and etc.

    Basically, he is saying what mostly what I disagree with you about on a day to day basis respectfully and I know his reasons for doing so. Atheism is the reason why the crumbling of European societies is that the basis of European socities has always been devouring other people for resources. They cannot keep a hierarchy if they don't keep this aggressive Christian power hold as they always have done. This isn't good for Africans period.

    Everything is intertwined with culture and the reason Nigerians also do better is also largely because of culture.

    So you admit that atheism is crumbling society??? Great, but we live in this society what do you think is happening to us as the crumbling blocks of society fall on us??? What isn't good for African people is leftism. Leftism stresses reliance on the state, but the state is indifferent to black people. In fact the state in indifferent to people. Leftism and it's outgrown feminism has destroyed the family unit. Which has disastrous effects on blacks ability to compete in the system.

    If you go to Africa today what you will find is that the nations with a higher proportion of Christians vs traditionalist are better off in almost any category. This is because the Christian religion and to a lesser extent the Islamic religion is better suited to building modern civilization

    I'm saying the Right as you see fit isn't in the best interest of African people nor the species ? sapien sapien. I'm not saying the left or the right of the spectrum fits us. We have issues that we need to conserve and issues that we need to change. To go by a paradigm created by other cultures that is a big wart on the global world's back isn't a good thing either for us. And it doesn't even fit with the paradigm of Christianity nor any of traditional African belief system because it is morality that is the highest level.

    I'll and go and say rationality and critical thinking is much more needed by African people than any religion can ever produce. So Europe's problem is that the population isn't going to do the jobs that need to be done cause of the education rise, but a thinking people would haven't started wars in the first place that lead to this and created initiatives for the youth to to do some of the jobs that they can do to get paid and start to learn an income. You got to be creative in the first place, but the problem with Europe they ? up everyone and now they got refugees based on their way of governing in those areas in the first place and now it's in their back yard.

    The world is global now and only two positions exist right or left and all government can fall into this paradigm

    Europe didn't start these wars in Syria and the nations excepting France that these refugees are going to don't have a history of colonization in the middle east. I would say that African people need unity more than anything else and. Unity comes from culture and religion is a carrier of culture, values and principles.
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    Ajackson17 wrote: »
    zzombie wrote: »

    Man, he is an undercover racist and the last part was ? . Smh

    Undercover??? Nah he's flat out pro white which to me doesn't detract from his arguments about particular subjects. The erosion of western society by leftism and everything that comes with it is one of those subjects

    I can go on and on about how his ideas are ridiculous for starters the reasons anyone goes to the left is because their views, ethnic background, level of wealth, position on things are different from the IN PEOPLE. There is simply no room for proper growth in conservatism and why we can argue there is too much expansion in leftism. This is why two political parties that are two diverse is destructive we need to have more stronger political parties.

    He doesn't give any ideas in his video all he does is give analysis for why some people are on the left and why some are on the right.

    What do you mean by the IN PEOPLE????

    Nobility, people of higher social statuses, religious leaders, CEO's, business people and etc. Those who are not part of the overall population. They have a great fight to conserve the values that helped them get to their path even though it might be detrimental to some parts of the population.

    Like for example black people in poverty and very low positions would be considered conservative since it was a way that many wealthy people achieved wealth and prosperity, so you in your businesses would be considered a threat to their overall conservative values and you being wealthy could be a sign of leftism at work. Due to your African descent, Jamaican of origins, descendant of maroons(freedom fighters), child out of wedlock, immigrant and etc. The only thing that might be considered conservative is your wealth, religion and politics but the right could extend beyond those criteria.

    Well you see there are people that are fiscally conservative but are culturally leftist. In his videos he isn't really concerned with the economic positioning of people.

    He's really making a cultural argument in favor of the right. no one who makes his money in the private sectors and supports the supremacy of it would be considered leftist.

    The right has a history with intertwining economics and culture. Those two are very interchangeable dealing with the culture and then he says that ethnicity and intelligence is a huge factor in why the borders should be closed. This could also have an issue with African Americans as well, but doesn't explain why Nigerians tend to do better than Asians and Europeans regardless of the nations in terms of education and especially in engineering and biology and chemistry and etc.

    Basically, he is saying what mostly what I disagree with you about on a day to day basis respectfully and I know his reasons for doing so. Atheism is the reason why the crumbling of European societies is that the basis of European socities has always been devouring other people for resources. They cannot keep a hierarchy if they don't keep this aggressive Christian power hold as they always have done. This isn't good for Africans period.

    Everything is intertwined with culture and the reason Nigerians also do better is also largely because of culture.

    So you admit that atheism is crumbling society??? Great, but we live in this society what do you think is happening to us as the crumbling blocks of society fall on us??? What isn't good for African people is leftism. Leftism stresses reliance on the state, but the state is indifferent to black people. In fact the state in indifferent to people. Leftism and it's outgrown feminism has destroyed the family unit. Which has disastrous effects on blacks ability to compete in the system.

    If you go to Africa today what you will find is that the nations with a higher proportion of Christians vs traditionalist are better off in almost any category. This is because the Christian religion and to a lesser extent the Islamic religion is better suited to building modern civilization

    I'm saying the Right as you see fit isn't in the best interest of African people nor the species ? sapien sapien. I'm not saying the left or the right of the spectrum fits us. We have issues that we need to conserve and issues that we need to change. To go by a paradigm created by other cultures that is a big wart on the global world's back isn't a good thing either for us. And it doesn't even fit with the paradigm of Christianity nor any of traditional African belief system because it is morality that is the highest level.

    I'll and go and say rationality and critical thinking is much more needed by African people than any religion can ever produce. So Europe's problem is that the population isn't going to do the jobs that need to be done cause of the education rise, but a thinking people would haven't started wars in the first place that lead to this and created initiatives for the youth to to do some of the jobs that they can do to get paid and start to learn an income. You got to be creative in the first place, but the problem with Europe they ? up everyone and now they got refugees based on their way of governing in those areas in the first place and now it's in their back yard.

    The world is global now and only two positions exist right or left and all government can fall into this paradigm

    Europe didn't start these wars in Syria and the nations excepting France that these refugees are going to don't have a history of colonization in the middle east. I would say that African people need unity more than anything else and. Unity comes from culture and religion is a carrier of culture, values and principles.

    They had a hand in how to divide the middle east up after the fall of the Ottoman Empire and helped the populations focus on wars to keep them from messing with their research and theft of natural resources.

    Research Getrude of arabia and British intelligence hand and American hands in there. They was also backed by the United Nations as well.


    More important than religion is understanding the science and technology.

    And the question would be what religion should imposed on the people?
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    Man, he is an undercover racist and the last part was ? . Smh

    Undercover??? Nah he's flat out pro white which to me doesn't detract from his arguments about particular subjects. The erosion of western society by leftism and everything that comes with it is one of those subjects

    I can go on and on about how his ideas are ridiculous for starters the reasons anyone goes to the left is because their views, ethnic background, level of wealth, position on things are different from the IN PEOPLE. There is simply no room for proper growth in conservatism and why we can argue there is too much expansion in leftism. This is why two political parties that are two diverse is destructive we need to have more stronger political parties.

    He doesn't give any ideas in his video all he does is give analysis for why some people are on the left and why some are on the right.

    What do you mean by the IN PEOPLE????

    Nobility, people of higher social statuses, religious leaders, CEO's, business people and etc. Those who are not part of the overall population. They have a great fight to conserve the values that helped them get to their path even though it might be detrimental to some parts of the population.

    Like for example black people in poverty and very low positions would be considered conservative since it was a way that many wealthy people achieved wealth and prosperity, so you in your businesses would be considered a threat to their overall conservative values and you being wealthy could be a sign of leftism at work. Due to your African descent, Jamaican of origins, descendant of maroons(freedom fighters), child out of wedlock, immigrant and etc. The only thing that might be considered conservative is your wealth, religion and politics but the right could extend beyond those criteria.

    Well you see there are people that are fiscally conservative but are culturally leftist. In his videos he isn't really concerned with the economic positioning of people.

    He's really making a cultural argument in favor of the right. no one who makes his money in the private sectors and supports the supremacy of it would be considered leftist.

    The right has a history with intertwining economics and culture. Those two are very interchangeable dealing with the culture and then he says that ethnicity and intelligence is a huge factor in why the borders should be closed. This could also have an issue with African Americans as well, but doesn't explain why Nigerians tend to do better than Asians and Europeans regardless of the nations in terms of education and especially in engineering and biology and chemistry and etc.

    Basically, he is saying what mostly what I disagree with you about on a day to day basis respectfully and I know his reasons for doing so. Atheism is the reason why the crumbling of European societies is that the basis of European socities has always been devouring other people for resources. They cannot keep a hierarchy if they don't keep this aggressive Christian power hold as they always have done. This isn't good for Africans period.

    Everything is intertwined with culture and the reason Nigerians also do better is also largely because of culture.

    So you admit that atheism is crumbling society??? Great, but we live in this society what do you think is happening to us as the crumbling blocks of society fall on us??? What isn't good for African people is leftism. Leftism stresses reliance on the state, but the state is indifferent to black people. In fact the state in indifferent to people. Leftism and it's outgrown feminism has destroyed the family unit. Which has disastrous effects on blacks ability to compete in the system.

    If you go to Africa today what you will find is that the nations with a higher proportion of Christians vs traditionalist are better off in almost any category. This is because the Christian religion and to a lesser extent the Islamic religion is better suited to building modern civilization

    I'm saying the Right as you see fit isn't in the best interest of African people nor the species ? sapien sapien. I'm not saying the left or the right of the spectrum fits us. We have issues that we need to conserve and issues that we need to change. To go by a paradigm created by other cultures that is a big wart on the global world's back isn't a good thing either for us. And it doesn't even fit with the paradigm of Christianity nor any of traditional African belief system because it is morality that is the highest level.

    I'll and go and say rationality and critical thinking is much more needed by African people than any religion can ever produce. So Europe's problem is that the population isn't going to do the jobs that need to be done cause of the education rise, but a thinking people would haven't started wars in the first place that lead to this and created initiatives for the youth to to do some of the jobs that they can do to get paid and start to learn an income. You got to be creative in the first place, but the problem with Europe they ? up everyone and now they got refugees based on their way of governing in those areas in the first place and now it's in their back yard.

    The world is global now and only two positions exist right or left and all government can fall into this paradigm

    Europe didn't start these wars in Syria and the nations excepting France that these refugees are going to don't have a history of colonization in the middle east. I would say that African people need unity more than anything else and. Unity comes from culture and religion is a carrier of culture, values and principles.

    They had a hand in how to divide the middle east up after the fall of the Ottoman Empire and helped the populations focus on wars to keep them from messing with their research and theft of natural resources.

    Research Getrude of arabia and British intelligence hand and American hands in there. They was also backed by the United Nations as well.


    More important than religion is understanding the science and technology.

    And the question would be what religion should imposed on the people?

    Sweden,Norway, Germany and Denmark had nothing to really do with middle eastern colonization and those are the nations being flooded with refugees.

    If there is no unifying culture or society science or knowledge won't help because it is your Society values and principles that determine how you use what you know.

    China had gunpowder and other technologies way before Europe but Chinese culture at the time wasn't conducive to conquering the whole planet. The Chinese pulled within their own little world. Europeans however had a culture that was conducive to conquest. The point I am trying to make is that culture is the most important thing because it creates your psychology
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    Yet Christianity spent most of its history destroying and brutalizing foreign nations all in the name of some invisible man in the sky.
    Christianity did... or nations wrapping themselves in its trappings? because it's more likely people actually PRACTICING Christianity are militarizing more like the Salvation Army than the Crusaders.

    And that's what most people can't seem to understand,,, and sadly that leads to hardness in their hearts towards the things of ? . But yet that always seems to be their REBUTTAL
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    zzombie wrote: »
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    Man, he is an undercover racist and the last part was ? . Smh

    Undercover??? Nah he's flat out pro white which to me doesn't detract from his arguments about particular subjects. The erosion of western society by leftism and everything that comes with it is one of those subjects

    I can go on and on about how his ideas are ridiculous for starters the reasons anyone goes to the left is because their views, ethnic background, level of wealth, position on things are different from the IN PEOPLE. There is simply no room for proper growth in conservatism and why we can argue there is too much expansion in leftism. This is why two political parties that are two diverse is destructive we need to have more stronger political parties.

    He doesn't give any ideas in his video all he does is give analysis for why some people are on the left and why some are on the right.

    What do you mean by the IN PEOPLE????

    Nobility, people of higher social statuses, religious leaders, CEO's, business people and etc. Those who are not part of the overall population. They have a great fight to conserve the values that helped them get to their path even though it might be detrimental to some parts of the population.

    Like for example black people in poverty and very low positions would be considered conservative since it was a way that many wealthy people achieved wealth and prosperity, so you in your businesses would be considered a threat to their overall conservative values and you being wealthy could be a sign of leftism at work. Due to your African descent, Jamaican of origins, descendant of maroons(freedom fighters), child out of wedlock, immigrant and etc. The only thing that might be considered conservative is your wealth, religion and politics but the right could extend beyond those criteria.

    Well you see there are people that are fiscally conservative but are culturally leftist. In his videos he isn't really concerned with the economic positioning of people.

    He's really making a cultural argument in favor of the right. no one who makes his money in the private sectors and supports the supremacy of it would be considered leftist.

    The right has a history with intertwining economics and culture. Those two are very interchangeable dealing with the culture and then he says that ethnicity and intelligence is a huge factor in why the borders should be closed. This could also have an issue with African Americans as well, but doesn't explain why Nigerians tend to do better than Asians and Europeans regardless of the nations in terms of education and especially in engineering and biology and chemistry and etc.

    Basically, he is saying what mostly what I disagree with you about on a day to day basis respectfully and I know his reasons for doing so. Atheism is the reason why the crumbling of European societies is that the basis of European socities has always been devouring other people for resources. They cannot keep a hierarchy if they don't keep this aggressive Christian power hold as they always have done. This isn't good for Africans period.

    Everything is intertwined with culture and the reason Nigerians also do better is also largely because of culture.

    So you admit that atheism is crumbling society??? Great, but we live in this society what do you think is happening to us as the crumbling blocks of society fall on us??? What isn't good for African people is leftism. Leftism stresses reliance on the state, but the state is indifferent to black people. In fact the state in indifferent to people. Leftism and it's outgrown feminism has destroyed the family unit. Which has disastrous effects on blacks ability to compete in the system.

    If you go to Africa today what you will find is that the nations with a higher proportion of Christians vs traditionalist are better off in almost any category. This is because the Christian religion and to a lesser extent the Islamic religion is better suited to building modern civilization

    I'm saying the Right as you see fit isn't in the best interest of African people nor the species ? sapien sapien. I'm not saying the left or the right of the spectrum fits us. We have issues that we need to conserve and issues that we need to change. To go by a paradigm created by other cultures that is a big wart on the global world's back isn't a good thing either for us. And it doesn't even fit with the paradigm of Christianity nor any of traditional African belief system because it is morality that is the highest level.

    I'll and go and say rationality and critical thinking is much more needed by African people than any religion can ever produce. So Europe's problem is that the population isn't going to do the jobs that need to be done cause of the education rise, but a thinking people would haven't started wars in the first place that lead to this and created initiatives for the youth to to do some of the jobs that they can do to get paid and start to learn an income. You got to be creative in the first place, but the problem with Europe they ? up everyone and now they got refugees based on their way of governing in those areas in the first place and now it's in their back yard.

    The world is global now and only two positions exist right or left and all government can fall into this paradigm

    Europe didn't start these wars in Syria and the nations excepting France that these refugees are going to don't have a history of colonization in the middle east. I would say that African people need unity more than anything else and. Unity comes from culture and religion is a carrier of culture, values and principles.

    They had a hand in how to divide the middle east up after the fall of the Ottoman Empire and helped the populations focus on wars to keep them from messing with their research and theft of natural resources.

    Research Getrude of arabia and British intelligence hand and

    I never denied culture but this what I'm saying is that atheism will not rot at a person's ability of self preservation. What strengthens a people is organization above all else and a objective understanding of how to survive. You keep saying ideology and I want to know what ideology, what religion, how will it help us compete, how will archaic understandings help us compete in a global world that won't send us to the dark ages. If you want a religion that will help us and which pushed better education and understanding is Islam and the cult of Amen Ra or whatever neteru that the Egyptians used to propel themselves in better understanding of technology and culture that lasted over 5,000 years.

    It was those cultures and religions thar pushed for the global world to developed science and technologies. No other belief system pushed for such enlightenmentand growth.

    We have to be clear on what we are doing and long term and the short term and long term benefits. Believe me when you are dealing with science more Islamic people are more leaning to it versus those of the Christian sector and he'll even Jewish culture is more leaning towards it.
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    Eh my new comment is after Getrude
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    @Ajackson17 atheism may not rot an individuals self preservation ability but it does erode a nations ability to do preserve itself because it destroys their culture. Organization without belief and unifying principles will not prevent destruction and does not make a strong society the ussr was very organized but it was organized and ran on bad principles therefore is did not last very long. SCIENCE IS an outcome of individual and individuals are the creation of society and society is an outcome of culture. Once you break part of the chain the whole thing starts to fall. Your religion and it's principles make your mind and it is your mind that is necessary to compete in this global world. Even for atheist living in western nations, like it or not your morals and perspectives are deeply influenced by the dominate religion of the society you were born in but as time goes on AND principles that created your society start to fade the society loses itself and declines.

    no religion should be imposed by the state but the state must support the religion of their populace and not try to banish it to the private world that is what happened in Europe and now we are seeing the result, decline.
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    zzombie wrote: »
    @Ajackson17 atheism may not rot an individuals self preservation ability but it does erode a nations ability to do preserve itself because it destroys their culture. Organization without belief and unifying principles will not prevent destruction and does not make a strong society the ussr was very organized but it was organized and ran on bad principles therefore is did not last very long. SCIENCE IS an outcome of individual and individuals are the creation of society and society is an outcome of culture. Once you break part of the chain the whole thing starts to fall. Your religion and it's principles make your mind and it is your mind that is necessary to compete in this global world. Even for atheist living in western nations, like it or not your morals and perspectives are deeply influenced by the dominate religion of the society you were born in but as time goes on AND principles that created your society start to fade the society loses itself and declines.

    no religion should be imposed by the state but the state must support the religion of their populace and not try to banish it to the private world that is what happened in Europe and now we are seeing the result, decline.

    Your belief/knowing should be nature at the end of the day.
    That's the hole you guys want to fill and it's only nature at the end of the day that does for you that we can prove.
    Believing in the meta physical will not make you more powerful than someone who understands nature and it's real characteristics.
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    @Ajackson17 atheism may not rot an individuals self preservation ability but it does erode a nations ability to do preserve itself because it destroys their culture. Organization without belief and unifying principles will not prevent destruction and does not make a strong society the ussr was very organized but it was organized and ran on bad principles therefore is did not last very long. SCIENCE IS an outcome of individual and individuals are the creation of society and society is an outcome of culture. Once you break part of the chain the whole thing starts to fall. Your religion and it's principles make your mind and it is your mind that is necessary to compete in this global world. Even for atheist living in western nations, like it or not your morals and perspectives are deeply influenced by the dominate religion of the society you were born in but as time goes on AND principles that created your society start to fade the society loses itself and declines.

    no religion should be imposed by the state but the state must support the religion of their populace and not try to banish it to the private world that is what happened in Europe and now we are seeing the result, decline.

    Your belief/knowing should be nature at the end of the day.
    That's the hole you guys want to fill and it's only nature at the end of the day that does for you that we can prove.
    Believing in the meta physical will not make you more powerful than someone who understands nature and it's real characteristics.

    people stopped worshiping nature once we conquered/tamed it most of the nations/people who worshipped nature ended up either enslaved or destroyed by people who worshipped concepts that are beyond nature.

    which strikes back to exactly what I am saying and what the video is saying your concept of the world as taught by your culture/religion they largely determines how you think which affects your actual life decisions. Once you can totally understand something it's no longer worthy of worship people are not going to go back to worshiping the sun or moon because those things are tangible
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    zzombie wrote: »
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    @Ajackson17 atheism may not rot an individuals self preservation ability but it does erode a nations ability to do preserve itself because it destroys their culture. Organization without belief and unifying principles will not prevent destruction and does not make a strong society the ussr was very organized but it was organized and ran on bad principles therefore is did not last very long. SCIENCE IS an outcome of individual and individuals are the creation of society and society is an outcome of culture. Once you break part of the chain the whole thing starts to fall. Your religion and it's principles make your mind and it is your mind that is necessary to compete in this global world. Even for atheist living in western nations, like it or not your morals and perspectives are deeply influenced by the dominate religion of the society you were born in but as time goes on AND principles that created your society start to fade the society loses itself and declines.

    no religion should be imposed by the state but the state must support the religion of their populace and not try to banish it to the private world that is what happened in Europe and now we are seeing the result, decline.

    Your belief/knowing should be nature at the end of the day.
    That's the hole you guys want to fill and it's only nature at the end of the day that does for you that we can prove.
    Believing in the meta physical will not make you more powerful than someone who understands nature and it's real characteristics.

    people stopped worshiping nature once we conquered/tamed it most of the nations/people who worshipped nature ended up either enslaved or destroyed by people who worshipped concepts that are beyond nature.

    which strikes back to exactly what I am saying and what the video is saying your concept of the world as taught by your culture/religion they largely determines how you think which affects your actual life decisions. Once you can totally understand something it's no longer worthy of worship people are not going to go back to worshiping the sun or moon because those things are tangible

    Veneration is more important, because you understand something doesn't mean you don't venerate it. If the sun is gone we're ? , if oxygen is gone tomorrow, we're ? , if water is gone, we're ? , if the earth crumbles, we're ? . If gravity increases to ten times it's normal power than we're ? . Man don't command those forces of nature.

    I give honor to those forces because we need them for our survival and existence. That being said we must protect nature and without it we are dead. That's should be our greatest duty.
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    Ajackson17 wrote: »
    zzombie wrote: »
    Ajackson17 wrote: »
    zzombie wrote: »
    @Ajackson17 atheism may not rot an individuals self preservation ability but it does erode a nations ability to do preserve itself because it destroys their culture. Organization without belief and unifying principles will not prevent destruction and does not make a strong society the ussr was very organized but it was organized and ran on bad principles therefore is did not last very long. SCIENCE IS an outcome of individual and individuals are the creation of society and society is an outcome of culture. Once you break part of the chain the whole thing starts to fall. Your religion and it's principles make your mind and it is your mind that is necessary to compete in this global world. Even for atheist living in western nations, like it or not your morals and perspectives are deeply influenced by the dominate religion of the society you were born in but as time goes on AND principles that created your society start to fade the society loses itself and declines.

    no religion should be imposed by the state but the state must support the religion of their populace and not try to banish it to the private world that is what happened in Europe and now we are seeing the result, decline.

    Your belief/knowing should be nature at the end of the day.
    That's the hole you guys want to fill and it's only nature at the end of the day that does for you that we can prove.
    Believing in the meta physical will not make you more powerful than someone who understands nature and it's real characteristics.

    people stopped worshiping nature once we conquered/tamed it most of the nations/people who worshipped nature ended up either enslaved or destroyed by people who worshipped concepts that are beyond nature.

    which strikes back to exactly what I am saying and what the video is saying your concept of the world as taught by your culture/religion they largely determines how you think which affects your actual life decisions. Once you can totally understand something it's no longer worthy of worship people are not going to go back to worshiping the sun or moon because those things are tangible

    Veneration is more important, because you understand something doesn't mean you don't venerate it. If the sun is gone we're ? , if oxygen is gone tomorrow, we're ? , if water is gone, we're ? , if the earth crumbles, we're ? . If gravity increases to ten times it's normal power than we're ? . Man don't command those forces of nature.

    we can and do respect nature but respect and worship are two different things and they produce different mental affects in the mind and creates a different society.

    if I worship the sun how is that going to help me if I am in a life or death situation??? it won't so now I have to create a new ? and for every different thing/situation there needs to be a new ? which is why most nature worshiping religions were polytheistic.
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    the whole worshipping nature thing is clearly not a good idea because just about every society that did has been destroyed... so that should tell you something.
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    I said venerate not worship and think it's going to do more for you than outside of it's functions. Appreciation might be the better word. I don't think nothing else is gonna help me except for me and my folks and what nature has already done. Anything else is on my hands.

    Worshiping the imagination what it creates is what many men do unless they can prove what they are worshiping is real.
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    Ajackson17 wrote: »
    I said venerate not worship and think it's going to do more for you than outside of it's functions. Appreciation might be the better word. I don't think nothing else is gonna help me except for me and my folks and what nature has already done. Anything else is on my hands.

    Worshiping the imagination what it creates is what many men do unless they can prove what they are worshiping is real.

    remember I am not talking about the individual I am talking about what is good for society the concept of what a determines a "folk" come from a culture it does not stand on it's own if you change or destroy the culture you destroy the "folk". In Europe right now we see the results of a native culture after it has been eroded by atheism and leftism.

    I don't see where the veneration of nature comes into your argument people have always appreciated nature that includes western people if you go to a museum there are many many many paintings of nature showing the people respect nature.

    But in most successful civilizations people have philosophically recognized that there is more than nature only primitive societies only see man as part of nature and venerate nature